>the Lich Queens very presence blights the land
>all females become barren a lunar year after their first menstruation
>cowardly nobles have taken to hording young maidens
>female Justicars maintain brutal martial law
would you be interested in playing in this setting or is it too magical realm?
>>43782322
It was maximum magical realm by the second line. It's gone from magical realm to just pathetic cringe bait after that.
People would just leave.
I'd play as an adventurer venturing into the empty lands to get rid of her though. Or at leas that's the theory. I'd totally dick the lich queen.
>>43782477
>People would just leave
to where? the land is basically Australia island size
>I'd play as an adventurer venturing into the empty lands
you could be also be the father or brother to a taken girl
or a girl that just turned ripe
or a Justicar that remembers the old times
maybe one of the Queens daughters
>>43782848
>to where? the land is basically Australia island size
To some place where their fertility isn't doomed. Anywhere.
>you could be also be the father or brother to a taken girl
Or I could be an adventurer, intent on dicking the queen.
>>43782848
>you could be also be the father or brother to a taken girl
That's how you can tell its magical realm, when you start encouraging people to play a kek victim
>>43782848
>"ripe"
You have to be trolling if you think there's a way for this to not be magical realm as fuck.
>>43783085
>father or brother
>kek
Are you implying they had an incestual relationship before the kidnapping? If so that seems a pretty magical realmish assumption to make, so I wonder why you're complaining about magical realm yourself.
>>43782322
Why don't you just, I don't know, destroy the lich? It's not that hard.
>>43783221
>just murder the head of state
>mfw
>>43783645
It's almost unusual if we don't overthrow at least one government in a campaign.
>>43782322
Even if the curse of barrenness doesn't spontaneously abort pregnancies at the 1 lunar month mark, this curse dooms this nation to decline, rot, and failure. The statistical model of human reproduction demands it.
>>43782848
Even if they stuck around, the population would drop precipitously due to most women having 0.8 children on average. The population would practically die off within a few generations.
Unless you want to go even more magical realm and throw in compulsory fertility drugs and institutionalized rape of little girls. In which case you're a monster and nobody will want to play with you.
If this occurs in her own nation . . . what is the advantage? To have as low of population as possible to maximize the likelihood a successful invasion?
>>43782848
>the land is basically Australia island size
So, fucking massive?
>>43784250
>>43784921
she's a lich and despises the living? replacing the population gradually with the undead
>>43784926
so, that's all the land the commoners know and its all blighted. can't really ship into the ocean
ITT people abusing the term "Magical Realm".
Seriously, though, this idea is cool as cold yogurt. It presents a bunch of moral dilemmas right from the get go, and when the players finally come to have to make a decision on the issue it's not gonna catch them out of left field, like goblin babies or something.
It makes people think about killing. Life is precious, and guards and bandits can't simply be replaced out of the ether. Elves would probably be affected the worst.
>>43786640
No. It's magical realm.
Women becoming infertile in the presence of a powerful Lich is a rather good plot hook; What the hell is she doing that's literally sucking the life out of the land and people?
Everything else? Seriously? Let's go down the list.
>Pedophilia
>Harem
>Femdom
You aren't writing "Children of Men" here, you're asking TG to fluff your boner for your favorite fap fantasy.
You know how I'm sure about this? Because if this was for worldbuilding, you'd realize that by the time a reasonably powerful party stumbles into this land, the combination of civil unrest, diving birth rate and shitty "husbandry" would cause irreparable damage to the kingdom.
As a matter of severe irony, the Lich Queen should contact the party herself: If she wanted a nation of undead slaves, she'd have one now. Clearly she needs the ancient X of Y, lost artifact of the Z people to replenish the land, or at least a kickass immigration pitch.
>>43786762
>>43786762
>Harem
That's a Fetish now? Last I checked that's something the vast majority of men would like.
And it's not like they didn't exist historically, hell in some places/eras they were downright commonplace for nobility or the rich.
Even though the pedo thing is also historical, I won't argue it since Lolicons are fucking creepers.
>>43786812
The fact you're defending the kinks instead of the setting isn't helping your case.
>>43786826
I don't care about the setting, I just entered the thread and saw your post
>>43786876
If you're not here to help OP with his setting, what the hell are you trying to do here?
>>43786913
Point out that you're an idiot, that should be obvious.
But, well, you're an idiot.
>>43786933
Thank you, We all appreciate the distinction.
If you have anything else to contribute, please feel free, otherwise I'm sure there's plenty more idiots on the internet for you to identify and unmask.
Worst thread on /tg/ right now.
>>43786640
good points and direction, but
>makes people think about killing. Life is precious
how often does the party think about that at all?
>>43786762
>pedophilia
people aren't having sex with them until they're biologically ready to conceive; at which point they are sexually mature females of their species
>>43786434
>>43786434
>she's a lich and despises the living? replacing the population gradually with the undead
The undead are created from people dying, not children not being born. The only thing you achieve by killing all the living, is that you cut off your own supply of undead.
It would be more logical if she would curse everybody to die at a ripe age of 35, that way they can quickly reproduce and then join the undead legion.
>>43786640
>Elves would probably be affected the worst.
Elves could just wait it out, as long as the curse is not permanent and fades after the queen is slain.
Some hero will eventually get sick of her dipshit rule and slay her.
>>43787048
>people aren't having sex with them until they're biologically ready to conceive; at which point they are sexually mature females of their species
Because menstruation is a clear indication that puberty is over and the person is now an adult. Oh wait, it's not and you're just trying to justify kiddie fiddling, pic related.
>>43787065
not if your goal is total population death and that's just one possible motive/theory
you could flip the script and make the Queen a positive energy lich which laments the childhood that she missed out on because her parents died. forcing her to grown up fast in a court full of cut throat relatives and trade "personal favors" to members of the magic guild for the snippets of knowledge that would set her on the path of mastery of the mystical arts
this subconscious yearning has caused her magic to 'bless' the girls of her kingdom
they are forever young, never able to blossom into womanhood
the women that were already adults when the Queen ascended to lichness aren't affected and still age
it's been 10 years since and there aren't any longer any teenage girls in the kingdom
what happens in another 10 when the youngest woman capable of birthing new life is in her 30s?
>>43787158
you keep telling yourself that anon.
>>43787065
When I did an Undying Empire under an Undying Empress, undeath was uanimous with civil service. If you joined the military or government, you could break yourself in easy as a vampire, and then the idea was that you would in time, gradually and willingly graduate yourself into a wight and if you prove particularly worthy in your centuries of service, you may be Liched by her Majesty herself, the only person in the world to know the ritual (and she keeps it that way).
If didn't enter the civil service, you likely lived a farily charmed life as a normal civilian, just with skeleton servants. Of course, all citizens joined the civil service post death, but civilian skeletons were consigned to manual labour and other low think jobs. The Sun never sets on teh Undying empire, and its servants never sleep.
>>43787256
>No refutation
>Presents no new arguments
>Asserts correctness regardless of this
What is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Keep your hands off children you fucking paedophile.
>>43782322
Pretty magical realm, yeah.
>>43783645
Her very presence is killing the population in a very real way. Bitch has got to go.
>>43787274
This is how to do Undying Empires right.
>>43787158
there is no such thing as an "adult"
it's just a term that routinely gets associated with the numbers 16, 18, and 21
>>43787158
Numbers are all well and good
How much of those numbers account for behavior due to mothers who still want to party because "I'm still young!"? Or the fact that our society doesn't educate people on how to raise children anymore.
Look at how the numbers for how forms of Retardation or other health issues rise with the age of the mother.
>>43782322
You know it just depends on how you play it out.
"Lich queen is making females unable to bear children in an attempt to slowly kill off all people in who knows which god forsaken ritual. Go and stop her" seems like an ok plot. I guess the more you lean on the sexual axpects of this, the more magical realm it gets, but as long as it is adventurers fighting undead hordes, where is the matter?
>>43787299
In Britain, discounting the nobility after the Norman Conquest, the age of majority was always 16ish.
We used to look at our continental brethren as a bit weird with their marriages at 14 and shit.
The word "adult" might be a bit more recent in common usage but the meaning is not.
You were a boy till you were old enough to help do mans work at 13 or 14. The you were a jack until you could do a mans work on your own usually at about 16ish.
Back on topic
It could work and even form a stable society with this idea.
The Never-dead Queens powers extend only fifty miles at most and experiments are being made to limit this further.
She and her court rule from the Quiet Lands. Her court are made up of those whose keen minds were worthy of preservation in undeath. The best and the brightest and those of great wisdom and sound judgment.
The capital city is not somewhere you can raise a family. Obviously. But in China the majority of people in the Forbidden City were eunuchs so its not that unmanageable.
So long as her curse is limited in its contamination all is well. Or well enough.
>>43787347
This pretty much.
It works as a reason for you to go out and get shit done.
What the hell is affecting the females that isn't affecting the males? The Queen's Blight causing infertility on both females and males would be a great reason for it to be raining people trying to kill her or get her out of the kingdom.
Plus, like another anon said, it could even be that the Blight is not something the queen wants. She could be working with the party to bring life back to the land, because she's tired of ruling over an empty empire.
The worst thing about ruling a kingdom of undead could be the loneliness.
>>43782322
This could be a really cool adventuring hook, if you avoid the unfortunate implications of this having been the status quo for some time.
My suggestion would be to make "the blight" less than a year old. Every pregnant woman in the kingdom suffered a miscarriage at around the same time, and no new women have become pregnant since then. A few of the less scrupulous nobles have taken maidens hostage out of fear (under the guise of protecting them, of course), and the townspeople have pooled their resources together to hire a band of adventurers to do what the authorities have thus far failed to do: end the blight.
Naturally, the first thing to do is beat some sense into the local lords' head so that he releases the girls. Then, once the adventurers have made some headway into discovering the Lich Queen's identity and location, she enacts a counter strategy. She offers the women of the realm the opportunity for a cure - but only if they serve. Some women join willingly and others are forced to by their fathers (or local lords), becoming semi-death knights for ten years in order to continue their family lines at the end of their service.
This presents the PCs with a dilemma. The Lich Queen is totes evil, but her strongest minions are just women and girls who want a family. Many of them also have husbands in the army who will refuse to fight when the Lich Queen makes her ultimate power grab (if they haven't defected already). By this point the PCs are the strongest characters in the country, and the only ones who can break into her mighty Fortress of Decay and face her - but how can they possibly do that without killing the very women they're trying to save?
And of course, once she's defeated it's revealed that the phylactery displayed around her neck was a decoy all along, and the PC's next quest will be to travel to her homeland and find where the real one is to stop this from happening again.
>>43787432
Would play. 7.5, maybe 8/10 depending on the setting as a whole.
>>43782322
Both, but mostly because I would be trying to bang the lich queen.
>>43782322
How do they even know the curses effects?
Did the Lich Queen come out and tell them their children would be barren by 12~13?
Or are people deep dicking tweens and are all like "wow we're all lucky no one got pregnant" and then seven+ years later they're wondering why they can't get pregnant?
Are all women effected by this despite already having their periods?
This whole setting would just end before anyone even realized there was a problem.
>>43782322
> the Lich Queens very presence blights the land
> all females become barren a lunar year after their first menstruation
> cowardly nobles have taken to hording young maidens
> the Lich Queen gathers forces to rescue these girls and takes them under her protection
> these girls are taught sorcery and later turned into powerful undead
> Lich Queen also offers lands, titles and riches to the families and suitors of Lich Princesses
> to accept rewards they also must become undead
> several years later the undead nobility is fully formed
I'm okay with it.
Nice backstory for undead utopia, OP.
>>43787697
Yeah, pedos are a pretty good target for BBEGs.
>>43787756
kidnaping people for heirs in this context has nothing to do with pedophilia.
>>43786812
>>43786876
>>43786933
This doesn't make the guy you keep responding to wrong though. Your only real 'point' was that harem isn't a fetish "because a lot of people have it." Even if that didn't (somehow) make it not magical realm territory, the rest of it you didn't even really respond to because you can't; it's a magical realm.
The sterility curse could be a completely unrelated phenomenon to the Undying Queen.
She has been living in a renovated old fort up in the mountains for the last 30 years and there has been no problem.
She isn't even a real queen in the traditional sense. She's like some sort of Ecumenical Matriarch for some old religious sect or something.
Yes she does dabble in old and half-forgotten magics. She grew up with it back when it was modern magic.
There is something rather more series and fundamental going wrong than the Burn the Heretic crowd are prepared to believe.
![BattleTanx[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V1bKi6I.jpg "BattleTanx[1].jpg")
You're basically describing this, OP. Except this has tanks. Why don't you have tanks?
>>43788542
because he's a fag, anon
BattleTanx is too good for this thread.
>>43788542
Holy shit I remember this game.
>that tiny little tank with the machine guns
>>43787793
Yes it does when in order to get an heir you have to knock the girls up within a year of their first menstruation. And you probably have less time, because that curse kicking in during pregnancy probably isn't very good for the child.
>>43788542
Because it's the mid-game twist
Turns out the party needs to man a tank made of smelted Holy Avengers to defeat the lich queen
>>43788884
Are the players going to knock up young girls? Because to me it seems they are supposed to stop it happening.
Will "knocking up lolis" come up every ten minutes? Not if the party is busy making their way to the evil fortress of doom or whatever.
So there, isn't it a "anti-magical realm" setting, then?
>>43788906
Can't we just give tanks to the Lich Queen and make her a good guy?
I'm beginning to like her for some reason.
>>43788972
>Giving holy weapons to an undead
Obliviously the root of the problem lies in the Monarchy/Oligarchy system
The party needs to bring Democrazy in the country, mybe even using the Holy Tanks mentioned before
>>43788924
We don't know how this setting will be executed, because we are only discussing the idea.
If a good GM works with this, you could have a decent plot hook in a somewhat fucked up setting, and the heroes would come in to set things right.
But the thing is with how much OP focused on the sexual apsects of the premise, there's reason to doubt that he would handle this setting properly.
And sadly, there is no "anti-magical realm" setting. Testiclebrained idiots can make anything sexual, just like having sexuality in a setting isn't inherently warping everything into porn.
>>43782322
I'd play it
>>43787274
You could model that on Peter the Great's Russian civil service reforms, which inducted civil servants past a certain grade into a sort of unlanded nobility.
If you wanted more of an antique, feudal feel, with knights and barons all over the place.
Because if not your undead civil servants are going to be boffing around with stupid titles like "Under-secretary".
The lich is now male.
There's no connection to menstruation whatsoever.
Justicars are of both genders.
Wow, it was so hard to not make this your magical realm, right, OP?
>>43788972
> liking the queen
Probably because bad stuff happens not due to her action, but her existence, making her somewhat tragic.
>>43789133
Probably.
I also like when undead get to have their own well-developed nations/countries.
>>43787347
And if you replace the Lich Queen with an extradimensional alien occupation force, you've got Half-Life 2
And guess what? Those dirty old "peasants" rebelled the fuck out of the Combine in order to regain the right to fuck and breed.
>>43788750
>crushing those tanks in the megatank
>>43789133
More like because he's the OP and is trying to salvage his shit thread
>>43782322
>>all females become barren a lunar year after their first menstruation
I won't call that magical realm, but I'll call it *slightly* edgy. On the practical side, it does put an impetus on the heroes dealing with the Lich Queen post haste.if people were trying to "deal" with this curse of barrenness by getting young women to have very fast pregancy, or give birth to quintuplets or something, that would have a risk of being magical realm
>>43782322
LOOK AT THAT LICH QUEEN OVER THERE
YEAH IM GONNA GO FUCK EM
>>43787048
Mensus =/= sexual maturity. Given a good enough diet, girls begin to menstrate years before their pelvis finishes widening, before their uteruses finish growing, before their vaginal canals reach their adult size. Sure, it's not impossible for an 11 year old to carry a child to term (the record is 7, Fwiw), but miscarriage rates, mother mortality, and long term health side effects are going to be through the roof unless families manage their daughter's diet and exercise programs with intense scrutiny, In order to keep their body fat abnormally low (like those gymnast girls) to delay the onset of mensus until the girl has grown some (though this strategy will also stunt their final adult size), and then when the matron dietician decides that a particular girl is ready for her mensus, the goal is going to be getting a son and a daughter out of her in only 364 days of possible fertility, so, barring drugs that force multiple ovulation, and assuming that the onset of the curse doesn't abort a second pregnancy, they will throw a feast in her honor, and then pump her with as much sperm as possible over the next 16 days to try and ensure that her first ovulation "takes", they've only really got 3 tries if they want a double.
But even getting 2 kids out of each girl isn't exactly replacement rate, any particular baby is 5% more likely to be a boy, and infant/childhood morality means that the real replacement rate might be 2.4 per woman (modern era) or as high as 5 births per woman (industrial revolution England).
So you won't see harems where one man collects dozens of teenage or preteen girls in a desperate attempt to get heirs, that's population suicide, you'll see ceremonies where each girl gets the sustained attention of dozens of men for over 2 weeks at a pop, during her handful of fertile periods.
And even then, if the gene pool doesn't include a strong tendency towards paternal twins, the society is still doomed (barring modern fertility drugs).
>>43782322
I could imagine playing a necromancer who wants to bone Lich Queen. Apart from that seems rather boring.
Try adding monster girls.
>>43790349
knowledge (local) check
>the domain of the Lich Queen produces the realms greatest gymnasts and ballerinas
>female diet is a popular topic of discussion among it's people
>births that don't result in at lest twins is unusual there
i'm now imagining the Lich Queen as the prima ballerina assolut and her 'girls' form the greatest ballet company that ever existed. conflicts are now resolved by dance off
>>43788311
this combined with this
>>43787432
They get to her evil dark lair on some distant shore of some far away land.
A dead and quiet land.
Turns out that it isn't her doing.
The world is simply coming to an end and she is trying to stop it.
By all of her magical resource and effort she managed to sort of buy a bit of time for that kingdom. The fertility rate was abysmally low but its better than her homeland's was.
She turned herself into an abomination to buy herself more time and try and find a cure. All her efforts managed to get that nation one or two more generations.
Beyond that only the dead will live in this world.
Party now has to help her find a cure for a world that is dying or find a way off the world that is dying.
>>43787065
She's not just trying to amass corpses. She's deliberately aiming for the death of a population, a nation, a culture.
She's trying to perform a new, far-reaching form of necromancy that's never been seen before.
