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"UR is never getting an artificer" edition
RESOURCES
http://www.mtgcommander.net
>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.tappedout.net
>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh
>Another resource for commander discussion; they have an entire forum dedicated to discussing decks. People often make primers, which go into detail about how they built and play their deck.
http://www.edhrec.com/
>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://manabasecrafter.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
CARD SEARCHING
http://gatherer.com
>Official search site. Current for all sets but has a terrible UI.
http://www.magiccards.info
>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface
>>43704247
>"UR is never getting an artificer" edition
I know that feel, anon
Anyone tried out this bad boy yet? I'm looking of grabbing one as a poor man's substitute for Ulamog
Is it me or does all of Chandra's Planeswalkers cards suck? Especially in EDH.
Doesn't help that even lore wise she's boring.
>>43704646
The one with the outpost siege ability is okay. Because of the outpost siege ability. Also she can remove a blocker if you really need it
>>43704247
>>43704514
Isn't Jhoira technically an artificer?
>>43704670
The copy instants/sorcery ability one is also nice.
>>43704688
She has the Wizard subtype but I don't know much about her, lore-wise
I've wanted to build with her for a while and just dump out fatties for nothing
>>43704745
Lore wise she is an artificer.
The suspend counters ability comes from her being fucked with by the time rift.
>>43704575
its not in the least, have you taken a brick to the head
>>43704646
Chandra, Pyromaster is actually good because she is card draw and a way to deal with elves.
Question time nerds.
>Which 2015 commander deck is your favorite and why?
>Favorite deck exclusive
>Least favorite deck/why
>>43704688
In early magic she was always called an artificer. Her card in future sight was wizard because it didn't involve artifacts.
A new Jhoira would be the most likely candidate.
>>43704760
Ok clarification: "Poor man's giant eldrazi abomination"
>>43704796
the red blue one because it seems like the start of a good deck. Mizzix's Mastery is fucking awesome. fuck the red white one i had hopes and it crushed them.
>>43704796
the red blue one because it seems like the start of a good deck. Mizzix's Mastery is fucking awesome. fuck the red white one i had hopes and it crushed them.
>>43704811
ok, i can see that, he is a control creature even more than a beat stick
>>43704907
i dont know why it did that twice
>>43704932
Me neither.
>>43704796
Probably B/W, because Karlov is cool. Really shitty product overall though. Obviously the worst is the red/white for confirming that red/white can't do interesting things or they break the color pie.
>>43704247
My boros feels trump your izzet feels.
"RW is never getting a 'salt the earth' land destruction general"
>>43704796
I bought the BW one cause I really wanted to do a BW enchantment deck, but I have to say it kinda disappoints. Looking into UG or BG now.
Favorite exclusive is Karlov. He's hilarious, he can grow stupid large like it's nothing and exile is not to be underestimated. Plus, he's 2 mana. 2. What the shit. I did next to nothing to throw a deck for him together and it still works. Tiny lifegain triggers everywhere.
>>43705148
Tax AND Land destruction commander?
>>43705241
I can only get so erect anon.
>>43704575
That card is pretty gross if no one has an answer right away
>>43704575
Easiest archenemy card of BFZ. Never seen a player win after getting it out.
im trying to make a crosis deck with myriad lines of play. the general theme is low cmc and mana disruption but there's also stupid combos, huge beaters (nettlevine blight), ramp, etc.
i need 2 more competetive/semicompetetive U, R, or B creatures with STATIC effects. What I have so far is Nightscape Familiar and Goblin Electromancer.
I don't know how to search for this kind of thing on magiccards.info except by exclusion, so I was thinking it would be more efficient if 4chan spoonfed me for once.
you're my Only hope /tg/
>>43705407
Archenemy card?
>>43705613
Everyone teams up against you.
>>43704646
Ablaze is pretty strong. The miniwheel is particularly effective against those players that love hoarding cards in their hand, and dealing 4 damage to anything when you discard Squee is an amazing plus ability. It chunks out other walkers and kills a fairly large portion of problematic creatures.
I also actually enjoy Nalaar in monored. When Prime time was everywhere, in first three her in because of a quick -6 to drop them. I still use her for the repeated removal and the occasional +1. She's great with Arc Bond.
My monored is currently Chandra, and its better than I was expecting, which wasn't much.
Chandra in general is actually good for keeping other Planeswalkers in check because she doesn't give a fuck about your walk of blockers and pillow forts.
>>43705241
It will be hard to make interesting.Wait, were talking of a RW commander, nevermind.
Basic lands for colorless commanders are coming
>>43704796
I'm having a really hard time picking between BG and UR. They both seem not only really powerful but really fun.
Favorite single is probably Kalemne. Lol, no, definitely the new Insect commander.
Least favorite is the RW deck of course. I like the idea of Boros colors but the execution always seems lackluster.
>>43705732
Muh dick.
Most colorless commanders run non-basic utility lands because they don't have to worry about color fixing.
On the plus side colorless land ramp like Myriad Landscape and Solemn Simulacrum now work for colorless commanders. And colorless basics is protects from non basic MLD like ruination.
Simple:
Experience counters for destroying nonbasic lands
Spells opponents control cost more to cast for each experience counter you have.
>>43705873
So...
Whenever a non-basic land is put into an opponent's graveyard, you gain an experience counter
Spell your opponent control cast 1 more to cast for each experience counter you have.
>>43705831
I wonder if he'll be playable in other colors or colorless only
Also if he'll be banned for being OP as fuck
>>43705873
Tax would have to be symmetrical.
Kalemne isn't that bad desu
Boring yes but she's a brutal beat stick that draws a lot less hate than Aureliauntil you have a 13/8 double strike vigilance hexproof trampler with infect and indestructible
>>43705974
Good luck getting all those voltron elements while casting fatties every turn in the worst colors for ramp in the format.
>>43705931
Likely by the time you've got 10 mana open you probably already have all the colorless card draw you need.
>>43705974
How are you building your Kalemne? I just bought the deck as a way to get back into EDH. I'm thinking an equipment-Voltron theme.
>>43706045
>I just bought the deck as a way to get back into EDH
Prepare to lose lad.
>>43706045
I'm turning mine into soldier tribal. Looks fun.
>>43706045
Replace the Kalemnewith Brion and pursue the tribal giant sub theme and shove in as many low cmc mana rocks as you can.
>>43706062
So I've been told, but I'm willing to try it. How's Gisela as a commander?
>>43705995
Personally games last longer than 10 turns in my playgroup, everyone playing big creatures, lots of turns to play big fatties and then lots of turns to drop artifacts after the board has been wiped.
>>43706008
So you build the deck around playing your hand out the turn prior
>>43706121
Infinite obliteration, artifacts, gg
>>43706103
Fun as fuck.
My group, who makes a little bit more money than I do, want to make 1 hyper competitve deck a piece. No holds barred, pedal to the metal 100% degenrate win-at-all-costs.
My decks are abput 65-75% decks, and I'll list my commanders in the order of least expensive to most expensive to get up there. What deck should I absolutely break open?
Slobad
Sharuum
Roon
Niv-Mizzet
I'll be playing against combo Oona, Prosh, Omnath and Oloro.
>>43706231
5-color with Tooth and Nail and Triskelion, Mikaeus, Kikijiki and Resto. Just ramp to either and hit for infinite
>>43706264
I mean, all I really need to complete sharuum is nothing. I just need to be that dick and put it together. Maybe get phyrexian metamorph.
>>43706206
How is she build? Or rather, how do you build her?
>>43706310
I build her as RW goodstuff with Gisela as a finisher.
>>43705995
>while casting fatties every turn
I beg your pardon? You don't have to cast fatties just because Kalemne has the phrase "converted mana cost 5 or greater" in her text box, ya dunce.
The basic chassis on Kalemne is very close to rafiq in terms of "personally killing people", trading Exalted for VIgilance, and Kalemne has red for different ways to clear out chaff blockers. The experience counter mechanic is just a random bonus if you ever get it going.
>>43705558
phyrexian revoker? honestly you're going to have a hard time idk what you have against triggered abilities
>>43706550
Oh, then your commander is boring as shit and objectively worse than Aurelia.
>R/W deck
>Knollridge Arbiter in the same deck as the piece of shit angel that is below curve unless your opponents have less than half their starting life
>>43706676
nigga, you dumb or somethin? in what kind of world do you live where a 4/4 flying for 5 with massive upside isn't on curve?
>>43706583
>your commander is boring as shit
guilty as charged
>objectively worse than Aurelia.
it costs less and if you can't see the extreme merits of that you should stop posting and kill yourself
>>43705995
i guess magus of the moon, necrotic ooze, notion thief, wonder, magus of the future, urabrask, and teferi also have static abilities if i understand the meaning of the word static
Retard question really quick
If you tap a forest then untap it with Arbor Elf can you tap it again for more mana on the same turn?
>>43706756
yep
Welcome to magic, by the way.
>>43706714
Huh, for some reason I thought she was a 3/3. Must have mixed her up with Kalemne my bad
>>43706756
Yes, you can.
>>43706756
Yes. The only requirement to tap it for mana is for the land to be untapped
>>43706764
>>43706766
>>43706769
thanks familio
>>43705931
Digging that art so bad. Can't wait to get a foil one
>>43706231
Roon is probably the best choice. his ability alone lets you deal with a lot of those deck's win cons. Number two choice is niv mizzet for combos for days
>>43706749
If you want voltron, then Iroas is better for having built in evasion. If you don't want voltron, then everything is better for having relevant abilities.
And while Kaleme may be cheaper than Aurelia, it's not cheaper in a relevant way. Aurelia comes down a turn later at most (in a well built deck obviously, not yours), and has haste, built in, which means she's relevant the same turn as Kaleme.
Meanwhile, Aurelia's ability works like double strike for all your creatures, while also untapping looters, wayfarers, and heartless dudes.
On a more positive note, I've just found the new art for Rakroma. Good lord that's hot. I may finally make that mono red deck I've been meaning to for a while.
>Kalemne's Captain doesn't have Lieutenant
for what purpose
Arjun was probably a scraped version of Niv-Mizzet that was revived and altered.
6cmc 5/5 flying wizard in Izzet colors that does card draw shenanigans.
They probably didn't want two Izzet league commanders in one set.
I keep trying to think of ways to build around Arjun but I'm at a loss
Picked up the red precon from last year. I hear it's one of the better ones out of the box, but if I'm running Feldon, what should I swap out?
>>43704247
Honestly a UR artificer might be too good, considering all the effects they would have access to.
>>43707330
More creatures less not creatures.
So I decided today that I want to make noyan dar.
The best method I can think of is a high land count, tons of cantrips, counterspells, and a few UW goodstuff creatures.
Anyone have a deck and play it differently? I could use suggestions, I've never made a deck like this.
>>43707379
1UR - Legendary Artifact Creature
Whenever you cast an artifact spell, you get an experience counter.
1UR: Put a red and blue Construct artifact creature token onto the battlefield. It has "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of experience counters you have."
2/2
>>43707440
Daxos pls go
>>43707440
>UR Daxos
How original of your.
>>43707431
A way of getting Darksteel Citadel and Inkmoth Nexus as fast as possible and building them up like crazy
>>43707440
that's not blue, make the Constructs loot when they ETB
>>43707379
Tinker on a stick. Tap ability of course.
>>43707261
>a third version is niv-mizzet
I doubt it, although I wouldn't be surprised to hear I was wrong. I like arjun better anyway.
>>43707556
Literally Arcum.
>>43707615
Arcum only tinkers artifact creatures for non artifact creatures, much less versatile.
>>43706964
>Aurelia comes down a turn later at most (in a well built deck obviously, not yours)
i've done the mulligan drills you patronizing prick, i know how much effort it takes to t4 aurelia compared to t3 kalemne, and one of them is more vulnerable to disruption - hint, it's the more expensive general
you're obviously a more experienced Rx player than I am, so I will stop posting and defer to your judgment that aurelia has better options for defraying risk overall, but when you're just throwing out caustic one-liners like some random cunt with more prejudgment than sense that's not something that can be cottoned on to
>>43707440
>>43707528
>Not making them Assembly Workers.
>>43707556
Why is tinker banned, but Natural Order legal?
Thinking of building some form of life gain deck.
What's the overall feeling of playing against life gain? Is it thought of as cancerous? Is it being a dick if I play Felidar Sovereign after being above 40 life?
>>43707685
Because creatures don't combo as hard as artifacts. What, did you think it was because of Blightsteel?
>>43707708
>What's the overall feeling of playing against life gain?
I suspect most people enjoy rolling over useless decks.
>>43707440
>literally Daxos
>>43707709
>>43707685
Turn 1-2 Blight steel or any other good artifact creatures is a bad feel.
>>43707765
>T1 Forest Sol Ring Greaves
>T2 Dryad Arbor, Greaves it, Natural Order
It can be done other ways.
>>43707685
Tinker is easier to cast and abuse
>>43707754
>>43707460
>>43707454
So who'd you prefer? BW enchantment Daxos or UR artifact Daxos (ignoring flavor)?
>>43707460
Except the support and effect is a lot more supportable in UR.
>>43707785
>not reading what cards do
Am I on /edh/ again?
>>43707785
What exactly would this accomplish? Certainly not getting a Blightsteel or any other artifact creature.
>>43707833
no that's a turn two natural order
>>43707861
progenitus presumably, or vorinclex maybe?
>>43707874
Oh getting a green fatty, sure. I thought you meant any fatty
>>43707708
Lifegain isn't very powerful in edh. If you do go with a lifegain method, it's best coupled with effects that involve spending life, like necropotence.
>>43705931
I can't wait to know whether or not this card is real, I want to build around it so bad. Fuck Old/Newlamog, Kozilek is the shit. I want to have the potential to counter EVERYTHING. I love it!
>>43707708
If you do it to gain a resource to oneshot someone with like Hatred or something, sure
If you do it just to do it or to feel "safe" you're gonna get steamrolled
>>43707926
wasn't me but that's all it does
Five more cuts /tg/, and i can finally sleeve this fuckinh thing up in full. I've wracked my head trying to figure out cuts but maybe i can't see the forest for the trees. I'd love any help you're willing to offer
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/meren-cairn-necromancer/
>>43707414
This.
Daretti and Feldon are as close to "Oops! All permanents" as I've ever gotten.
My friend let me borrow his Lim-Dul deck the other night and holy shit that guy is fun as fuck
>>43708268
-Scourge of Nel Toth
-Pawn of Ulamog
-Bloodspore Thrinax
-Slum Reaper
-maybe Corpse Augur?
>>43704796
I can't wait too build snek tribal with the U/G deck
Also here is my main EDH deck iv'e been playing forever could use some input
r8 h8 no b8
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xenagoose-god-of-geese/
Artifact Daxos would actually be good based purely on how useful artifacts are and how easily both blue and red can manipulate them. It's sort of a shame how flimsy enchantments are relative to artifacts. At least they're harder to destroy.
>>43707937
This is how I like to play it. Of course Orzhov treats life as just another resource to be traded and bartered, nice flavor.
Shame about commander damage though.
>>43708567
well, they did just print the best Lifegain commander ever made in Orzhov colors, so...
>>43708341
He's a low rent Chainer, which is disappointing because I started playing around Ice Age and he was my favorite character from flavor text.
So hows Tyrael doing now?
I wanted to play Tyrael or Arthas to 10. Both are equally fun to me but which is more...competitive I guess you could say?
>>43708412
Man i've been wanting to try out thrinax and scourge, they seemfun
>>43708714
Think you posted on the wrong board, mate
>>43708714
Oops got my threads mixed up now /tg/ knows I play HOTS!
I meant to post in this one "Have any of you tried out the new commander generals yet? Are any of the experience ones not total shit? They seem very weak looking at them."
>>43708739
Meren's delicious, cant speak for the others
>>43708739
its hard to judge commanders in other players meta's.
Are you casual competitive?
Daxos and Kalemne are pretty awful when compared to the others.
Meren and Azuri are strong, i think Mizzix is in a class her own.
Hey, so I just realized that I have a fair number of dual colored and mono decks, so I might as well finish the rest of the colors.
R - Chandra (usually Ashling) burn control
G - Nylea Monster Mash
B - Liliana MBC
W - Akroma Angel Tribal life gain
U - Open. Thinking Tromokratis or Tef walker
BG - Pharika Rock and land affliction
BR - Open
BW - Open
BU - Open thinking Vela, but Wydwen is fun
GR - Open thinking Ulasht or Atarka
GU - Ezuri mana dork murder in the works
Gw - Saffi or Sevela dorks in the works
RW - Open
RU - Open
UW - Hanna Control
I also have a Jeleva deck that I'm not taking apart, which makes UR difficult.
Any ideas? I want to have a bunch of different styles across the board, and some colors I just don't play often. Like UR. Never played it before.
>>43708862
>BR - Open
KAERVEK
KAERVEK
KAERVEK
>>43708862
RU - Keranos stax
>>43708521
That picture made my day
>>43708862
>BW - Open
Selenia or Karlov
>>43707671
the day I stop being caustic to name fags who unironically use the phrase "cottoned on to" is the day that my life satisfaction has likely jumped through the roof, and is a long way off. For now I'm quite happy to be a bitter curmudgeon to the likes of you.
That being said, it isn't that hard to get a fast aurelia off as long as Sol Ring and Mana Crypt have the Casual Seal of Approval, and her ability is far more mechanically interesting than Kalemne. Seriously, try her out, it opens up so many different lines of play compared to Kalemne's lack thereof
Kalemne is just so boring and lackluster compared to other generals that it's an insult to red/white players everywhere. People inevitably compare her to rafiq, but rafique opens up two of the best colors in the format, while being able to give double strike to other creatures, which is interesting for things like Cephalid constable. None of that is the case with Kalemne.
>>43706749
>Kalemne
Swings on turn 6
Hits your opponent twice
>Aurelia
Swings on turn 6
Hits your opponent twice
The difference being that Aurelia pumps your entire team essentially.
>>43708862
>br
>rw
>bw
>all open
It's like you don't like fun. Play Alesha and let her show you the meaning of manliness.
whats the right amount of counters for a non-control blue deck? I'm trying to do UW fliers probably with ephara
>>43705148
>You'll never have a RW Legendary Fomori that's Aether Flash on legs.
>>43708862
>BW
Karlov
For added bookkeeper flavor, use a notebook to keep track of your life total and wear tiny round glasses you constantly look over when talking to other players.
>>43707431
That's basically it. Having ways to protect the land is pretty important, usually terra eternal and Avacayn can cover that pretty well. Spells that untap lands like snap, frantic search and rewind are really great
>>43707431
Polymorph effects. Turn your lands into 11/11 infectious monsters. In more ways than one!
>>43708862
U- Jalira, Geralf, Sun Quan, Thada Adel
BR- Mogis, Kaervek
BW- Teysa, Ozhov Scion
BU- Lazav
GR- Borbygmos Enraged
RW- cry
RU- Arjun
>>43709393
Why not be a priest and treat it like simony? Orzhov are basically the Catholic Mafia
>>43707804
Personally the one we already have, but I'm a sucker for BW and Enchantments. I'm sure I could build a much better deck around UR Artifacts. Thopter Spy Network comes to mind.
>>43708739
The GB commanders are pretty great, Ezuri is really fun and the others probably need a little tweaking to work well, but could be fun. To be fair, most of them work better as part of the 99 in 3 colour decks.
>>43709533
Priests don't do nearly as much math.
>>43707431
It should have been UGW god damnit.
>>43705148
>RW Will never get Flash Conscription on a body legend
>>43709898
is it not in blues color pie to spawn elemental lands
:^)
I am also incredibly pissed that its Blue white
>>43709898
Fuck off it should've been UWR so I can Jeskai Ascendancy in EDH too
>>43708919
I was against him because there are others who had him in my group. They have since dispersed. I will consider.
>>43708923
I forgot about Kerenos. That may be my choice. Thanks.
>>43709013
I actually just had a Selenia dec 40k I reverb my fire down for parts. It got old quick. Karlov is a popular choice I might do.
>>43709109
I still have a pile of Alesha that I could never get to work right. What's the secret? However, that wok be after I get dual color sorted.
>>43709393
I like that idea. I might have to do that. God damn. I'll probably be switching Akroma over to Nahiri anyway.
Good suggestions. Thanks.
>>43709482
>U
Thadda was taken apart after one night. Way too much hate, but it worked. I keep forgetting Geralf exists at all. If I went back to Gisa in mono black, I think I would try to make him playable. Sun Quan is a classic choice, though I do not own one. Jalira on the other hand seems like a lot of fun. I used her in my Rubina list for obvious reasons. I think she would be the most fun in the list.
>BR
See Kaervek above. Mogis on the other hand is the style of deck that I enjoy, but I'm not sure if I could get it to work in EDH. By that I mean I totally could, but it would take effort. There's alwaysMinotaur Tribalor at leastthemed. I'll consider his possibilities.
>Teysa
The tried and true classic. I want a proper token deck, and I love the black token makers like Bloodline Keeper. White is usually a shoe in for tokens anyway, so it seems obvious. She just gets a lot of hate for being hyper combo.
>Lazav
He's good. I forgot about him because there were 5 people that used him on release that have since dismantled their decks. Maybe it's my turn.
>Borga Borga
He's a good choice for a druid/dork deck that I always glance over, though Ezuri might take that call. He is considered now.
>RW
I know, man. I might end up with Gisela, though I'm crazy enough to try Anya
>Arjun
He looks interesting, but I am hesitant on the grounds that he seems hyper linear. I have a hard time believing that every game won't devolve into the same thing.
>>43708862
Make UR Jhoira Dragons/Krakens or Eldrazi/Colossi depending how serious you want the deck to be.
>>43710512
I would love to make a Jhoira deck. Trust me, the problem is that someone beat me to it, and they didn't hold back. Jhoira is very kill on sight here, but God damn I want to do it. I worry that it would be too similar.
>My group has suggested not allowing Anya because one player thinks she's just too good in an aggro matchup
I am completely fucking baffled how that guy, who studies game theory WAY more than the rest of us and is usually the most skilled player at the table sucks so badly at Commander evaluation.
I KNOW he's smart, I've seen abundant evidence of it, and yet every now and then he says shit like "Gisela is overpowered in EDH," "Edric is fine," "Narset isn't going to be any good".
I begin to suspect his otherwise valid instincts for the game are completely overwhelmed by his bias towards RUG with an emphasis on U and his burning, irrational hatred for all things R/W. And WB lifedrain, for some reason.
>>43710512
>>43710617
UR Dragonstorm is a definite thing that is possible with Jhoira.
>>43710773
>Anya
Make a shit Anya deck, pilot it horribly. Then after they give it a pass upgrade it.
>>43710443
>He looks interesting, but I am hesitant on the grounds that he seems hyper linear. I have a hard time believing that every game won't devolve into the same thing.
I built him the day after the precons came out. I think its super fun. There are a million and a half wincons to use that all turn out relatively differently. you can use tunnel vision to put an arbitrary amount of your deck into the yard, sphinx's tuetlige to mill people out, diviner one to get arjun into oneshot range, thout reflection or archive with lab maniac to draw yourself to victory. Best part is you can make room for some super niche or pet cards due to the constant cycling making it ok to get a dead draw or two.
>>43710884
>>43710617
>>43710512
Running Jhoira as an artificer is also a possibility.
>>43709898
>>43709963
I brought this up to my mates and both of them asked me why I thought that way and now I'm not so sure. Blue and white, it turns out, also had more Awaken spells than the other colors did. One of them said that the spells were meant to represent spells cast by the Kor and the merfolk. So now I'm all unsettled.
>>43711057
Maro basically had a cop out "All of Zendikar would be green mechanics-wise" so they had to spread it around.
I understand awakening being available too all colors, but blue and white should not have the majority of it
New Kozilek is going to make a sick commander. I need to pick up a Lion's Eye Diamond for it
>>43710443
You could always do Grenzo, Ghost Council, and Anya (soley for waifu and politics).
I'm starting up an Anya deck and it's kinda lookin' goofy, but I like it.
Borbaborga should be used as land combo and nothing else, in my opinion.
Arjun is a boss ass bitch and if you don't think so then I'm sorry, friend.
>>43711131
Why would your group let you play an obviously fake general?
Alright, so I got the Daxos deck, and here are my modifications
Cut:
Banshee of the Dread Choir (Not good enough)
Celestial Archon (French vanilla creatures or mediocre aura in a deck that tries to go wide)
Dawnglare Evoker (Seriously Wizard? fuck you.)
Deadbringer Lampads (Hey, look, a bad constellation card that gives weak evasion)
Ghostblade Eidolon (Again, weak creature, or aura in a deck that tries to go wide)
Herald of Host (Not good enough)
Karlov of the Ghost Council (not enough synergy in the deck)
Kor Sanctifiers (not efficient enough)
Nighthowler (*Usual Bestow creature critic*)
Silent Sentinel (I dislike 7-mana cards with no advantage straight-away. also, not enough synergy with CASTING spells)
Teysa, Envoy of Ghost (pretty much the same thing as Silent sentinel)
Orzhov Cluestone (Bad mana rock)
Grave Peril (It just looks weak to me.)
Necromancer's Covenant (very little synergy with the deck)
Seal of Cleansing (Not efficient enough)
Both Vows (of very little use in my opinion)
Ancient Cravings (I'd rather Sign in blood or Read the bones)
Gild (Talk about unefficient removal)
Dawn to Dusk (I just don't like it.)
Shielded by faith (I DON'T LIKE AURAS)
>>43710884
That is true. I guess you would suspend a shitload of anything and then Dragonstorm? It would be nice to not play "lol suspend Obliterate xD" and maybe clear so.e hate out of the air in the group.
>>43710997
This would be nice for flavor reasons, but I'm wondering how it would work in practice. Most artifacts in artifact decks come out long before Jhoira would (like Crypt and Vault, which I don't have).
>>43710984
Maybe. It's something different, but I can't shake the feeling he'll end up like Nekursar ie homogeny.dec. By that I mean, every dekd is the same. I'll keep him in mind, though.
>>43711137
>Grenzo
I forgot about him. I'm missing a lot of the pieces he needs, but he's definitely unique and powerful.
>Council
Eh. I have mixed feelings. He doesn't seem like he does enough, but at least he is hard to remove. I like Gain and Drain tactics, but he seems iffy. They both do.
>>43711137
I was thinking of Ruric, not Borga. Chucking lands is always fun, that's very true.
>>43711549
So now you're running a a 79 card deck now? good thinking dude
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/-omnath-locus-of-rage-/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ezuri-claw-of-phyrexia/
Still working on both of these, any advice would be appreciated.
>>43711813
>Ezuri
I put Master Biomancer and that new Bloodspine Thrinax or whatever its name was in mine. Feels good to pump either of them with Ezuri and get massive shit out (though it does usually stop your XP counters from being produced, which isn't necessarily bad if you simply get 9/9s instead of 2/2s while also taking aggro off of your commander).
Also, Deadeye Navigator + Mystic Snake or Draining Whelk (or any creature, really) for great value and a 2 CMC counter whenever you want.
Fable of Owl and Wolf also helps if you feel like ramping a bit to get it out quickly.
>>43712282
Oh, just noticed that you also have a bunch of Infect in there, might be worth to consider a Phyrexian Swarmlord.
>>43712318
Oh god that'd be fantastic, especially because those insects trigger Ezuri's ability. Putrefax/ triumph of the hordes could be good additions if you want to go the infect route.
>>43712386
Honestly, might as well shove Inexorable Tide in there, too, if one REALLY wants to go full-Infect, since Newzuri decks are absolutely able to go that route and get several Tide triggers off per turn, since the small creature count is often high.
>>43712434
Also lets you proliferate your xp counters, thats pretty good. Bonus point because despite poison being considered a dick move, you're perfectly on flavor. Add contagion engine for extra lulz.
>>43712479
Yeah, Proliferate works great with him.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/somethings-fishy-about-this-list/
This is how I built it so far. Pretty much budget-tier, still, but it definitely gets the job done already.
Decided to put the big fish in there, since I pulled Kiora from BFZ and got a foil Tromo that I really wanted to run.
>>43712551
No Prophet of Kruphix/seedborn muse?
>>43712793
My play-group hates them and I'd rather just not run them and spare myself from being targeted, since I don't have a ton of broken synergy with them either.
>>43712817
What about asceticism?
>>43712793
With all luck, the formor will finally be banned next run anyway. Sheldor was forced to see the truth over the weekend.
>>43712863
I'll probably get it eventually, don't have one yet and already spent enough money on Magic this month.
I'd just like to address a large ''Fuck you'' to whoever designed the pile of filth that is the fucking Daxos deck. thanks.
>>43712883
I don't know how I feel about that. I've never played with it, and I've heard stories about it, but I always get nervous when bans happen because they're so arbitrary.
>>43712892
I know those feels.
>>43712958
He's so close to mediocre, but he just sucks
>>43713007
>I don't know how I feel about that.
Feel good. Giving the Prophet player basically 3 extra turns is awful.
Seedborn's not AS bad
>>43713007
This. The problem is that it's epitome of UG fagotry. Seedborn is 5 mana, Leyline is 4 mana, Prophet is both for 5 mana. UGx decks are typically decks centered on creatures and card draw, which effectively gives a free then in between turns. "At the end of your turn...". Gets real fucking old real fucking fast. Removal only goes so far because they always have counter magic available by the very nature of the card itself.
It's not even fun to use anymore because again, unless they remove it right then and there, it's probably not going away and will launch me so far ahead, I'm not even playing the same game as everyone else.
Fuck Prophet.
>>43712958
>Enchantment decks will never be a thing
Why must wizards be so cruel
>>43713317
Enchantress is a deck. Just not in B/W colors.
>>43713063
> I actually run both in one of my deck.> My silliest one, so everyone is ok.
>>43704247
Does anyone have that imgur album with the commander alters to print?
>>43712958
Every one of the decks this year was trash.They should make a 'You make the commander' contest so I can just make the one thing I want and just be done with hoping they get it right once.
>>43712883
Has he said something about it?
>>43713500
>'You make the commander'
Oh yeah forgot they did this. How does that work anyways?
Waste Not is such a neat card.
>>43713500
MaRo would never allow the legions of fans to violate the color pie with an interesting non blue legend.
>>43713309
Not to mention it inevitably gets cloned and recurred again and again by everybody at the table.
It's the very definition of a warping card.
>>43713500
>>43713317
>>43713007
It's not even the commander. I actually like Daxos and I do enjoy Constellation cards. It's the actually out-of-the-box deck that frustrates me. why did they make it such shit? why is there no mass Removal in a goddamn BW deck? why not, maybe, the goddamn black boardwipe that destroy each nonenchantment creature? why put fucking Deadbringer lampads when you have Toughtrender Lamia and Skybind? why the shitty Bestow creatures?
It's just overall a really badly designed deck, especially when compared to the B/G one, which is a pretty tight ship for a out-of-the-box deck. this one is just awful, non-synergistic, with very little answers to unadvantegeous board positions.
So yea, the guy who made this one was a lazy prick.
>>43713578
They basically start a contest for it.
>>43713557
Someone in an older thread talked to him at the big edh event and he said that they will be discussing prophet and mulligan because Sheldor was forced to watch UGx with sculpted hands shit on everyone all weekend.
>>43713692
>do enjoy Constellation cards.
As much as everyone here bitches about Theros, do you think if they revisited it they could fix it? Or is it a tar baby that just gets worse the more you try?
I like enchantments, but constellation doesn't thrill me. Bestow doesn't either. It bothers me that Wizards idea of fixing enchantments is to just turn them into creatures with a Not!Rally mechanic.
>>43713804
>Mulligan
What'S wrong with the mulligan? Outside of some retarded combo decks, it seems pretty much fine and helpful to almost every other deck out there but still balanced.
>>43714078
All they had to do was start the block off with Constellation and create the fucking Enchantment Land, but no, too scared of how badly they fucked up Artifact Lands.
>>43714444
I undertand not wanting to make the Enchantment lands, specially if they were making constellation. If they had, then they would've had to ether make all constellation effects weak as shit or have them cost extra mana.
>>43714628
Instead they just made them all weak as shit AND we have no Enchantlands. Eidolon of Blossoms, Doomwake Giant, and Skybind are the only ones I can even think of that see play anywhere (and Doomwake is iffy as fuck in EDH, I probably wouldn't even play it there but I'm being generous)
>>43714628
Theros could have justified a cycle of legendary enchantment land or something.
>>43705148
All I want is a legend with a mechanic like Spitemare/Boros Reckoner. Is that too much to ask for?
>>43714707
Yea, I guess they would be thrilled by designing 2 things they hate doing.
But yea, I'm pretty sure constellation can be done in a better way, or at least, find a better mechanic related to enchantments
>>43714660
That's just cause we only get them on a small set so there weren't that many rares, just a bunch of limited fodder. If we had it from the start, we'd have a lot more stuff. Maybe some good ones.
>>43714737
My dream Boros commander
>>43714737
Fixed the image.
>>43714849
Wordy, difficult to understand, and Fiora is already the name of a plane.
All around confusing.
>>43714849
>block your blocking to block unblock blocking creatures who block block blocking
This is shit
>>43714849
So... it moves blockers around?
This made me nauseous
>>43714849
This looks to be just a shittier and more confusing version of Brutal Hordechief's ability
But honestly I have no idea because it's worded horribly
Has anyone found any super secret tech for Uncle Karl, yet?
I will say that I'm astonished that I can run things like Marble Chalice and Braidwood Cup to outstanding utility. Not to mention he triggers off of Soul Sisters.
But is there anything else I might have missed?
>>43715156
Zuran orb, m8.
>cast zuran orb
>cast Armageddon
>sac all your lands in response
>hit a nigga with a 22/22 Karlov
>>43715198
I mean, in that same line you could also use renounce.
>No Blockers?
>Dont need anything else but KARL
>>43715083
Yeah. Blockers are removed from combat then reassigned as you please.
>>43714849
I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around this, that wording is all kinds of murky.
>{T}: Remove blocking creatures from combat. You choose how those creatures block
>>43714849
Why not just a {T}: Odric style ability?
Like
>{T}: You choose which creatures block this combat and how those creatures block. Activate this ability only before blockers are declared.
Sure, your card lets you hold it up in case they make a block you're okay with, but this version is about 100 times cleaner to read.
>>43715292
Renounce is significantly worse because you only get one trigger on Karlov since you are only gaining life once. With orb, you're gaining life one time per land because each one is its own separate trigger.
Karlov prefers to gain life a bunch of times as opposed to one big time.
Extort is nice, but again, one trigger. If you have 3 opponents and extort something, you gain 3 life once, not 1 life thrice. This is different than say Righteous Cause, which will trigger for every attacking creature. IE, someone attack with 4 creatures, you do actually gain 1 life four times.
Things that gain lumped life:
Extort, Exsanguinate, Debt to the Debtless, Scholar of Athreos, Benediction of Moons, Blessed Reversal, Elspeth, Path of Bravery, ect
Things that gain separate life:
Soul Sisters, Zuran Orb, Blood Artist, Dross Harvester, Righteous Cause, Curse of the Forsaken, ect
>>43714849
Please let's not make this a shitty templated custom commanders thread.It'd make me sad cause they're probably better than anything Wizards will ever do.Mine is Warstorm Surge + Angelic Chorus for WR
>>43704796
BG=UG>UR>BW>WR
BW is prerty shitty apart from karlov. But wr is just dissapointing all round
>>43715710
Yeah, I noticed what renoucence said a bit after I posted it. I was looking more for something a long the lines of Claws of Gix. It's not free. But it's a bunch of singular life gain triggers.
>>43715712
Sorry. At least I formatted mine right, I think.
>>43713738
Is it "post your dream custom commander" time?
>>43715912
>deals damage
>mfw Chandra's ignitioning her with a board full of juicy etbs and when cast effects
>then casting Apocalypse
still cancer that needs to go to the containment thread.
>>43715912
I kinda want a commandeer like that, but I want one that steals cards from exile by giving them suspend with time counters.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mental-maelstrom/
Can I get an opinion on this? I just made it after seeing Arjun the Sexy Flame.
>>43707379
UR Legendary Rigger
>>43714849
>T: Creatures you control have Provoke until end of turn.
I just caused my first ever rage quit tonight by abusing LD; best of all it was a Narset player. He got so pissed off he knocked his bottle of coke to the floor and stormed out swearing. Doesn't help that his commander never hit the table as I countered it every time.
>>43717296
Land destruction is bad and wrong and violates the spirit of EDH!
But counterspells are fine because they're blue.
need some advice on what to take out
>http://deckstats.net/deck-8352316-d68e52256025e55627497e8f75ee3e51.html
What's your favorite commander in each color and how do you play them if you do?
>Heliod, Anthems Weenie
>Vendillion, Draw Go
>Gisa, Rattlesnake Midrange
>Godo, Aggraviated Voltron
>Freyalise, Non-Combo Elf Tribal
>Hanna, Stax
>Orzhov Scion, Aristocrats Combo
>River Cutthroat, Merfolk Tempo
>The Firemind, Goodstuff
>Mogis, LatticeRod Lockdown.
>Mazirek, Aristocrats
>Radha, Ponza
>Gisela, Voltron
>Rhys, NO Combo Elves
>Ezuri, Tempo
>Rafiq, Voltron
>Sydri, Many Little Combos
>Nekusar, Wheels
>Proshh, Voltron/Bombardment
>Mayael, Ramp Fatties
>Helmsmasher, Voltron
>Yasova, Tooth & Nail
>Karador, Druid Combo
>Narset, Goodstuff
>Tasigur, Doomsday
>Horde of Notions, Control
>Karn, Wannabe-MUD.
>>43717296
I've never seen someone "storm out" of a store.
Is this an american thing?
Are people just exaggerating and call "storming out" when their beaten oponent picks up their stuff and goes to sit at the next table where their friends are?
>>43717790
He left. I'm Canadian. It was the last game of the night.
>>43711557 here again.
I've been thinking about Jhoira.
How do I build her as an artificer and/or Dragonstorm deck? I don't want to build her as the usual Eldrazi Obliterate, re: I do but I don't want to at archenemy, but I do want to build her because she's pretty unique.
>>43717596
How about blue land destruction?
>>43718068
I'm not sure what you're trying to convey with that gif.
>>43718007
That's a big card
>>43718323(U)(U)(U)(U)
>>43717601
>blue dwarf grill wizard with dragon on the sea with a burn ability
Magic was silly back in the day wasn't it?
does all of EDH just eventually boil down to combo? My group slug deck is turning into a pile of 60 something answers plus lands and less of a proactive aggro deck.
>>43714078
I think constellation is alright, it rewards you for playing more of them at the cost of opening you up to hate, so it feels like you can't go all in, you're always going to want non-enchantment creature so that you don't get shat on. I like bestow thematically, with the spirits of the ancients/the sky/the sea giving the creature strength/abilities but its so expensive to do that most of the time it isnt worth it.
>>43718463
>combo
>group slug
>60 something answers
>proactive aggro deck
I think maybe you're just indecisive.
>>43714849
>custom card fags
>>43718463
Maybe, I'm building Daxos but despite wanting to play fair-ish midrange game with enchantments I still have a couple infinite combos in case someone is being an edgelord.
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-11-15-RFw-daxos/
That's my list, I'm considering taking out the reanimation package because it's not as consistent as I'd like in helping me emergency-combo off, but I don't know what to replace it with. My only design handicap is I don't use cards that don't exist in the modern frame.
>>43718137stop
>>43718630
Why not? Ashnod's/phyrexian altar would be great in your deck
>>43714849
Cards that already do that aren't nearly as good as her. Unbalanced and unreadable. 0/10
>>43718714
I wouldn't have guessed that was what you meant. So I'm the guy in that gif and you wish me to stop pinching your little cheeks?
>>43718786
Don't try to understand them. Anime warps their brains and they become incapable of realizing how esoteric and incomprehensible they've become.
>>43718611
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant that my group was devolving into combo, and my deck as a result has shifted towards more towards answers rather than the aggro/group slug I originally built it to be.
>>43715710
I'm pretty sure each instance of extort triggers separately.
>>43718720
It's just a specific aesthetic choice+handicap I put on my non-spike decks because newer players tend to whine at the sight of old cards. I played Strip Mine against the same dude and he didn't whine about it when it was the Exiled print, but threw a fit about "how op old cards are" when he saw the Antiquities one weeks later.
I'd rather avoid that salt and I just like the new border more, it's easier on the eyes and despite knowing my cards by heart I still like reading them.
Besides, Altars would need a mana dump where Dementia/Station+Boonweaver/Titan+Unhallowed Pact/Gift of Immortality is game. So is Giant+Aura+Other Sac-Engine+Artist/Grim Guardian.
We could argue Daxos is a mana dump with Phyrexian Altar, but it's not an instant win and I usually only go for the combo if someone is about to do something incredibly faggoty like Boros Charm + Apocalypse.
>>43719055
Yes, but the life gain from each extort trigger is not. If you have 3 opponents, and 2 dudes with extort, then cast a spell and pay for both triggers, each opponent will lose 1 life, then you will gain 3 life, Karlov will trigger, then each opponent will lose 1 life, you gain 3 life, and then Karlov will trigger.
The point is that extort won't trigger Karlov once for beach opponent, it will trigger once. Now, if you had Exquisite Blood, then it would trigger for beach opponent.
I have a question of statistics for you, /edh/.
How many cards do you run in each deck for each type of card?
>Creature boardwipes?
>Non-creature and/or mixed boardwipes?
>Card flow?
>Creature spot removal?
>Enchantment/Artifact/Permanent spot removal?
>Card flow?
>Mana ramp?
>Pay off cards for you deck themes?
>Random good stuff cards?
>Lands?
>>43719220
Yes.
>>43719220
Depends wholly upon the deck archetype, and commander.
>>43719220
I could post my decklists I have up on tappedout and let you figure all of that out. I don't have the patience to do it myself purely for the sake of satisfying your curiosity.
>>43719220
I omitted shit I didn't feel like going through
Aggro:
>Creature boardwipes?
1-2
>Non-creature and/or mixed boardwipes?
0-1
>Card flow?
6-8
>Creature spot removal?
4-5
>Enchantment/Artifact/Permanent spot removal?
2-3
>Mana ramp?
5-7
>Lands?
usually 35
Control:
>Creature boardwipes?
4-6
>Non-creature and/or mixed boardwipes?
2-3
>Card flow?
8-10
>Creature spot removal?
6-9
>Enchantment/Artifact/Permanent spot removal?
4-5
>Mana ramp?
6-8
>Lands?
37-39
>>43719409
>>43719220
also yes
>>43717865
No one plays Artificer Jhoira then?
Guess I'll try to come up with something, then.
>>Mogis, LatticeRod Lockdown.
>you're not my nigga.jpg
>>43719220
>99 lands
>my commander
>>43720157
I love this cardtoo bad it's almost $300
So, /tg/ I've been wanting to get into Commander. Mainly I've only built decks in Modern and Standard and I know the rules, but I've never built a deck for commander before. I have played with that a deck a friend let me use. How can I get into deckbuilding for the format?
Here's a standard deck I used at FNM a few weeks ago:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gideon-is-busted-yo-1/
And my most recent Modern Deck that I haven't bought yet (needs more playtesting):
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/centaurs-modern-tomfoolery-1/
>>43721055
Read up on game theory.
>>43718884
>You can pick to counter target spell and draw two cards twice because the spell will still have a legal target on resolution
Truly, blue is the best.
>>43719212
Ok, fair enough; I think I was misunderstanding what you were saying. I still think there's some extort dudes worth running though; Pontiff of Blight and Crypt Ghast are nutso and I think Treasury Thrull and Blind Obedience have their place. Also, Thrull Parasite is cute if you like that sort of thing.
>>43720966
Well you should narrow down what commander you'd like to use before we try and help you build a deck.
>>43721155
Chains of Mephistopheles can go in pretty much any black control deck
>>43705148
With the new Waste land, maybe they can figure something out.
any of you play variants, like seven point highlander?
>>43721160
Oops, had meant >>43721155 for >>43721055.
>>43721373
Ah, I do suppose that's probably a good point. I'll probably go have a look at some commanders and report back in a few.
>>43721384
If you already have a bunch of deck typrs you like playing, you probably already have a legendary or two in those decks that you could use as a commander to go off.
Starting with either a precon deck or a commander who you already have experience using in other formats is usually a good idea in order to start smoothly.
>>43714849
brutal hordechief and Odric both word this ability a lot better.
>Bought the WB Precon for myself
>Bought the BG precon for my GF
>MFW playing and comparing the two
Whoever designed the BW is a lazy piece of shit.
>>43722039
>comparing anything to ebin graveyard silly stuff
>>43722055
seriously, the BG deck flows seemlessly and effortlesly and just plays really well.
you have to jump though so many hoops to have spirits with decent stats, it's pretty bad.
Plus the fact that wizard put a bunch of shitty cards in WB and a bunch of Staples in GB doesn't help either.
Okay I need some fucking help here. I only play on MTGO these days because I just moved across the country two months ago and the closest GS is 50 miles away, and Commander is fucking brutal on here. Never did I realize how many different fucking infinite combos there are or how many totally fucking bullshit Commanders you can run.
After a dozen or so games I'm feeling serious frustration here. My Dagson artifact deck that can do all sorts of crazy nonsense doesn't hold a candle to the crap that people bring to "Just For Fun" Commander tables online. They load their shit up with every tutor that exists, sprinkle on some mana acceleration, then fill in the rest with counters and removal. The only time I haven't lost to an infinite combo is when some other asshole decides "fuck it", manages to resolve a Decree of Annihilation, and everybody else leaves.
I notice that the bulk of the Commander matches firing are 1v1's which, to me, is just not in the spirit of the format. I mean come on, there are plenty of formats for you to go full Spike on. Does nobody play Commander for fun? What happened to just throwing all your huge CMC cards in a deck with your favorite Legendary and just seeing what kind of jank ass shit happened? Is there really no demand for that on MTGO?
>>43722155
>playing Arcum
>a competitive commander with the innate ability to tutor and also happens to be fucking blue
>complains about tutors and counterspells
You can't make this shit up.
I'll agree that 1v1 commander is bullshit though. There's no point.
>>43722155
>Is there really no demand for that on MTGO?
There used to be, but the meta steadily got more competitive. You still see fun decks, and I run more than a few janky ones myself, but even in those decks I run a good decent amount of removal, wipes and/or counters. I actually won a game last night with my Tymaret deck, and got second with my Ruhan deck, so competing with less than optimal commanders is doable.
>>43722155
Online commander is dominated by people who like the idea of 75%, but don't understand how to implement it. Essentially they all try to run 75%, but make exceptions for certain cards in their decks because "they just make so much sense there" or "it feels so right". They end up with a 76% deck, and they feel it's fair. Then they go to a match, and see other people running 76% decks.
So they tune up, and make a 77% deck. And so on and so forth. Because to the majority of commander players everywhere think that the only unacceptable players are the ones who build better decks than themselves. So naturally it's okay to build a slightly better deck than everyone else.
>>43722155
As a guy who plays exclusively on MODO because I moved to china, with cards being as cheap as they are online, there's really no excuse not to power your deck up. Hell, Mana Crypt hit, what, 2.2 tix a bit after VMA dropped?
>I notice that the bulk of the Commander matches firing are 1v1's which, to me, is just not in the spirit of the format.
Change your settings or just start one up yourself. You'll fire a four man after about 5-7 minutes. Or play add me and hit me up
>My Dagson artifact deck that can do all sorts of crazy nonsense doesn't hold a candle to the crap that people bring to "Just For Fun" Commander tables online.
>"Just For Fun" Commander tables online.
The problem is EDH can only be played on "Just for fun" Tables so you get all kinds.
I build spiky decks for 1v1 to turn my brain off. Fun decks or more thematic ones go in multiplayer queues.
>>43722155
>>43722216
>>43722280
Also if you guys play EDH on MODO and want to ever fire a four man and wouldn't mind hopping on skype for a group call I can record the games for my channel, hit me up on MODO @Orzo
>>43722328
It's so cute to watch you try all the time.
>>43722341
What can I say, I enjoy making vids for the guys that watch. Not much else to do around here
>>43722328
MODO?
>>43722371
Magic Online Digital Object. The old school name for MTGO.
>>43722371
Magic Online with Digital Objects
just rolls off the tongue a bit better
>>43722380
>>43722385
Ah. Well the name Orzo sounds familiar, I think I've probably played with you before. I go by Pneuma on the client. I'm not up for a game at the moment, but I'll remember the name.
Alright, list of commanders by color I either want to make or have
W: Michiko Konda Pillowfort/Prison (want)
U: Patron of the Moon Amulet Combo (Want)
B: Sidisi Combo (Owned, and yea, I know, I'm an asshole)
R Pia and Kiran Nalaar Artifacts (owned,on rotation with Slobad)
G: Reki, History of Kamigawa Legend pool party (Want)
UW: Kangee Bird Tribal (Want. don't ask why.)
UB: Wydwen, Faerie Shenanigans (building)
BR: Bladewing the Risen Dargon reanimator (want, already got Wort, but it's for my gf)
RG: Omnath Lands.dec (Want)
GW: Karametra Goodstuff (''Want''. jesus, why are all GW legends so boring?)
WB: Daxos Enchantress (Have, but needs a lot of tuning)
UR: Arjun High-Tide (Want. this guy seems sweet, yo)
GB: Vhati-Il Dal Control (Want)
RW: Anya Groupslug (Want. all the sweet MLD)
UG: Ezuri Counter Shenanigans (building. Conversion from Vorel)
Bant: Roon Voltron (Want)
Esper: Ertai Fun Police (Building)
Grixis: Lord of Tresserhorn Suicide (Want)
Jund: Shattegang Bros Stax (Want)
Naya: Gahiji Politics (Want)
Mardu: Alesha Control (Want)
Temur: Surrak Big Beats( Want)
Abzan: Daghmatar Counters (Want)
Jeskai: Zedruu Prison (Want)
Sultai: Tasigur Control (Owned)
WUBRG: Horde Of Notions Elementals (Want)
Colorless: Karn or Newkilek if he's actually real (Want)
>>43722664
Kozilek has to be real. It's far too stupid for anyone to actually imagine.
>>43722664
>using Key and Peele
Why
>>43715912
That's actually not a shitty card.
>>43714849
I'm going to throw up
>>43722664
You want a lot of things, yet you only have 3 full decks
Slow down, son
>>43722883
One of them a precon even.
>>43722883
>full deck
I got Tasigur, Wort, Pia and Kiren, and Sidisi.
that's 4, not counting the precon.
>>43722664
>Daghatar
Oh honey, no.
>>43723078
I'm mostly hesitating between this and Anafenza Hatebears, but I'm not really into French, so I don't really want her, The primeval dragon isn't my type, Doran is overdone, Everyone and their mothers at my LGS have a Karador, and I already have a combo decks, and some other Combo general interest me more than Ghave
Plus, Daghatar is a underused general, and I love +1/+1 shenanigans.
>>43723148
You don't HAVE to combo with Ghave, you can essentially do the exact same thing with Daghatar with Ghave, except you have way more possibilities and it's way cheaper.
That's 3 mana to move a counter dude. As opposed to Ghave's 2 colorless which also nets you an ETB trigger and a death trigger. Unless you have a boner for Sheltering Ancient, I don't see why you'd go with Daghatar.
He's not even in my 99.
>>43723250
Not him but there's another issue with Ghave and that's that people will probably assume he's playing the most cutthroat version of the deck.
It's like if someone sits down with Scion of the Ur-Dragon but is just playing regular Dragon tribal without Hermit Druid. People are only going to see Scion, prioritize him as a threat, and kill him.
>>43723335
Well, could always just go and talk to your pals about it and that you run dragon tribal / Ghave sillystuff
>>43722039
>>43722089
>Turn 1 sol ring
>Turn 2 meren
>Turn 3 sakurai tribe elder
>Turn 4 profit
This exact scenario happened the first time i did GB. I steamrolled my opponents as my deck played itself
>>43723680
>MFW Kessig Cage Breaker+ Champion of Stay Souls+ Plaguelord
Nothing is quite as fun as reanimating your graveyard multiple times. Even more the second you hit Satyr Wayfinder.
>>43723771
its really fucking silly how fast you can ramp with a good start with Meren,
My game I had quickly drawn into jarad and champion, I was basically bouncing everything from my graveyard back to the field or hand every turn.
>>43719055
That's true, the guy was clarifying that a single extort trigger that gains several life due to several opponents is a single instance of life gained.
So how would you rate the new commander decks out of the box in comparison to each other?
>>43724931
Golgari is best
Izzet is most fun
Rest are a waste of time
>>43724931
UG
BG
UR
WB
WR
Daxos might be shittier than I think it is but it has the backup plan of Karlov which isn't too bad whereas WR has nothing.
>>43713692
>It's not even the commander. I actually like Daxos and I do enjoy Constellation cards. It's the actually out-of-the-box deck that frustrates me.
Agreed, What I personally hate most is how they made zero attempt to give Karlov any tools to work with that would also work with Daxos, like Ajani's Mantra, Faith's Fetters, Blind Obedience, Recumbent Bliss, Sunbond, Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood, Whip of Erebos, Nyx-Fleece Ram, etc etc etc
It is a lazily designed deck.
>>43724931
UR
BG, UG
WB
WR
Though I think UR, BG, UG are all super close to each other. The only reason I put UR ahead is if at any point it gets a tiny lead, it will snowball until the UR player has complete control of the board state
>>43725049
I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this.
I was pretty peeved with the shitty choices of enchantments that came in the WB, and how there is almost no interaction or synergy between Karlov-Tesya-Daxos-enchantments
While the BG deck Meren/Jarad/Mazierk-sac outlets all feed off each other
>>43725049
Isn't there a Fetters in the deck? Cause there's a Fetters in C15, and if it's not in the BW life gain enchantment deck then fuck everything.
>>43725115
I don't know. As it stands, the BG deck can very quickly spiral out of control into ridiculous proportions. I was just messing around with it and Meren at the helm, and it didn't take long before I was vomiting 200/200s on the board.
>>43725251
>While the BG deck Meren/Jarad/Mazirek-sac outlets all feed off each other
To be fair, that isn't difficult when all three commanders revolve around the same basic strategy, which is my one criticism of the BG deck.
>>43725256
>Isn't there a Fetters in the deck?
Hilariously, no.
>>43725311
I think its better to have a cohesive theme, rather then throwing cards in just because they share the same color.
I mean why would they have put it Scion Teysa, so you could sac the tokens produced by Daxos, rather then the Tesya we got
>>43725409
>I think its better to have a cohesive theme, rather then throwing cards in just because they share the same color.
I disagree. Having three distinct commanders shows off the different playstyles a certain color identity provides, and it also allows new players to get their hands dirty deckbuilding around one commander.
With the BG deck you have sac for value waifu, sac for value bug, and sac for value zombie guy, which allows people to choose their sac for value general and leave the others in the 99. That isn't necessarily a bad thing by itself because it IS a good deck, but in my opinion the precon commander deck should be a baseline set of tools for people to build in multiple directions. The decks from 2011 and 2013 did this perfectly, even though a select few of their included generals were overpowered.
multicolored non-white ramp edh
who would be the general (no kruphix)
>>43725528
Omnath, Locus of RAEG
>>43725528
Rosheen Meanderer.
>T2 Mindstone
>T3 Kalemne
>T4 Thran Dynamo, tap it and Mind Stone and play Grafted Exoskeleton
>T5 play Whispersilk Cloak, equip Exoskeleton and Cloak to Kalmene, swing and kill a player
Feels greasy man, I didn't even realize it could do that
>>43725311
>no
Why the actual fuck does the RW giant tribal deck have the Faiths Fetters and not the Enchantment Life Gain deck? You had one job Wizards. You fucked that up by making Daxos. Then you fucked up even harder by not even supporting the deck.
This did give me an idea, though. If you were to take all 500 cards in C15 from all the deck and rearrange them into 5 new decks, how well do you think they would work? Better, worse, or about the same?
is awaken edh possible without noyan dar commanding it
>>43725953
Something vorel?
Finally finished building a deck for pic related. This guy gets way more out of hand than I thought it would.
>>43725987
Post list.
>>43725523
I was under the impression EDH/supplementary materials were not designed for new players. Please correct me if I am wrong
When I say cohesive I don't mean they all have to be involved in the same mechanic, but I would prefer them to as being part of a pre-built deck actually function with each other.
I keep going back to WB because it has the best examples,
Karlov has almost no relevance in the deck, because of how minimal lifegain is in there, despite the fact WB has great life gain cards a lot of them being enchantments
Tesya, has no interactions with enchantment or lifegain, and really is only in there because she spawns spirits.
>>43721714
>>43721155
>>43721373
Accidentally fell asleep earlier. But, okay, so I looked through a lot of the legendary creatures and these are a few that I found interesting:
Skullbriar, the Walking Grave
Animar, Soul of Elements
Doran, the Siege Tower
Karlov of the Ghost Council
And also, Eladamri, Lord of Leaves, but I'd prefer not to run a mono-colored commander deck, probably.
I also found Iroas, God of Victory to be kind of interesting, but I'm not sure about him.
>>43725942
I actually believe you could make some better decks, as there is a lot of card when given a second glance feel like they would be better suited for a different deck.
Bastion protector should be with RW, not BW.
Black market not being in BG is mind boggling.
Diabolic servitude is a recursive enchantment that isnt in the WB
>>43726004
What I have so far.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mazirek-fun-times/
>>43718068
From which episode of Another is this?
Garbage UR artifacts commander. Combo engine? Probably. Opinions?
Should I put Cauldron of Souls in new Ezuri? Potential to trigger some really good shit like Eternal Witness, as well as protect from some removal, and assuming im not retarded always be able to use it on creatures because +1/+1 counters canceling out the -1/-1 counters
>>43726918
You'l want to be careful with Doubling Season and/or Primal Vigor, if you run those, if you run Cauldron of Souls since it'll double the -1/-1 counters but other than that I think it's a decent idea.
>>43726167
Black Market is an enchantment that's black so it goes with Daxos unlike Faiths Fetters which goes better with Kalemne because she likes to attack. Meren has no synergy with enchantments, so she couldn't possibly use Black Market, unlike Daxos who can make enchantment creatures :^)
>>43726795
>>>/ccg/
>>43727096Anon plz it hurts, I feel like im not asking much for some synergy in decks
>>43713692
I feel your pain, anon. I feel it to the bone.
My Daxos deck still lies unfinished. Instead I made a Karlov deck, he's fun as fuck. That's about the only thing that's keeping the buyer's remorse at bay.
I think I'm gonna buy a BG next. I should have done so from the start.
>>43727217
I preordered GB as soon as meren was spoiled because does everything i've wanted out of a GB comander, provide consistent graveyard value without much investment
>>43727217
I am a glutton for punishment, and I want to keep improving the daxos deck.
>>43727326
There has to be a way to keep casting enchantments. Flickering Ward seems good. Spirit Loop, if you can get it to the yard. Stuff like Sage's Reverie seems awesome to recur too, but it's just so silly to enchant a creature only to sac it so you can get the enchantment back.
>>43727256
I really want to use Meren, but the problem is I already have a GB deck and I love the shit out of it for many reasons. I think I could easily make Meren work as the commander of that deck with little effort, but I like Pharika.
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