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>>43684462
If DSP puts out a better Pathfinder/5E, I'd buy it.
>>43684472
Gareth has stated that it's not a 3.X clone nor a PF heartbreaker, but something else entirely that will include the various concepts and ideas that they've created. I'm tentatively-excited for it.
A bit of a silly question this, but:
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/elongated-cranium
Do the bonuses and penalties of this feat apply the moment your head takes on the prescribed shape, regardless of what happens to your head shape afterwards, or are they dependent on you maintaining the prescribed head shape?
Suppose your head shape changes through Alter Self or through mundanely going through a reverse of the head-shaping process. Do you keep the bonuses and penalties or lose them?
>>43684499
I would say that your head has to stay in the prescribed head shape to maintain the bonus.
>>43684499
It probably wouldn't change anything, more from a headache perspective than anything else. Every time you cast Alter Self you need to recalculate your statblock, plus that implies you could alter self into a form with the cranial elongation already active and get the benefits of the feat without actually taking it.
>>43684489
Is it still a d20 derivative like AD&D?
>>43684715
I don't believe so. He's not really given much information.
Would Stalker's Focus, Rage and Mutagen stack to grant my Barbarian a +8 strength boost?
>>43684821
Animal Focus is an enhancement
Rage is either untyped or morale bonus
Mutagen is an alchemical bonus
Based on the rules, different bonuses stack so yes your barb is fucking strong. Especially since Stalker's Focus scales with level even if you're not a hunter.
>>43684821
Yes
Stalker's Focus - enhancement bonus
Rage - morale bonus
Mutagen - alchemical bonus
>>43684858
>>43684866
Sweet. Are there any other sources to pump my strength higher?
Is it possible to make a Rogue (or a Ninja) who's decent in combat WITHOUT relying on Sneak Attacks? I play with a group who doesn't like to use a combat grid or deal with "flanking conga lines"... but I still wana play a character who's sort of the fantasy equivalent of a "special operations" agent. I want the character to be able to do things like disguise/lockpicking/infiltration/ect. but I also want them to be somewhat combat viable without needing to constantly flip over enemies and rely on my buddies to move up and flank (the other players I'm playing with aren't the greatest on teamwork). Unfortunately Rogue weapon/armor proficiency suck, even using Unchained Rogue. Is there some way to salvage this using UCRogue's Dex-to-damage or a Ninja's Ki powers or something? Hopefully in a way that they start being useful before level 10 or so?
>>43684881
Enlarge Person
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/enlarge-person
>This spell causes instant growth of a humanoid creature, doubling its height and multiplying its weight by 8. This increase changes the creature's size category to the next larger one. The target gains a +2 size bonus to Strength, a -2 size penalty to Dexterity (to a minimum of 1), and a -1 penalty on attack rolls and AC due to its increased size.
>>43684907
This, but since you can't cast spells, try to be an initiator with the Primal Fury discipline.
>>43684904
Make a Slayer or a Stalker.
You will need the Vigilante archetype for Stalker if you want Trapfinding.
So I'm in a Pathfinder game. I'm a conjurist Wizard. I've just hit level 3.
For my bonus feat, I'm going to grab Augment Summons, because I have Spell Focus (Conjuration)
I get three 2nd level spells per day, (1 base, 1 from 20 INT, 1 conjuration slot,) and I get to automatically learn TWO 2nd level spells.
I'm thinking that my two spells are going to be Invisibility and Summon Monster II.
I'm going to mooch off a higher level NPC Wizard, (using my glorious 7 CHA,) to learn more spells, and buy some scrolls in town to learn more.
Any other suggestions for level 2 spells?
>>43684929
I don't "need" Trapfinding as per the feat, as most traps I could probably deal with just with basic perception and disable device... however I don't see either of those archetypes you listed. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue
Am I blind and stupidly missing it?
>>43684499
Why does it matter? Anything that's reasonable and purely aesthetic ought to be allowed by a GM.
>>43684965
Stalker is a class from Path of War
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/stalker
Vigilante is an archetype for Stalker from Path of War: Extended. There's a link in the pastebin. Does your DM like to use magical traps? If so, you'll need trapfinding.
>>43684907
If you don't want the downsides, Alter Self also gives you +2 strength if you take a Medium form. It's one spell level higher, but doesn't make you a fat target.
>>43684952
Create Pit, Web, or Euphoric Cloud for crowd control.
Blur for defense.
Sweet, new Pixiv Fantasia art.
I'm also reminded that there should be a Dullahan playable race
>>43685010
Since when does a PC need to worry about being abig guy?
>>43685011
>>43684952
Also. Importantish question. In the game I'm in, a bunch of the party can be useless. (Halfling Rogue climbs into tree before combat, begins pelting with sling staff.) So I've had to pick up the slack.
My big trick that can shut down multiple enemies is using Silent Image to create as many cages as I can, each around a different enemy. One way mirrors for the goblins so they can't see out, mesh fence for wolves with scent. So, does this actually work within the rules?
Also, when the duratuon of a spell is concentration, I can just hold that forever? Can I concentrate on multiple spells at once?
>>43685065
They would get a Will save whenever they "interact" with it. I would say that would come up as soon as they find it in their way.
No, you can only concentrate on one thing at a time.
>>43685065
Also, concentrating is a standard action, so...
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/combat.html
>>43685065
What else is in the party? Maybe we can find some spells that make them not useless.
Can anyone do me a huge favor and repost some of the spoiled Weapon Master's Handbook pages so I can show some of them to my group?
I'm most interested in the Melee Weapon Mastery Feats page and the Divine Styles page.
I have this page to contribute, but that's all, sadly.
Thoughts about this homebrew Domain for my game?
Worshiped by many, the multiheaded secretive hydragon who hoarded secrets rather than treasure Tzauvaern, is a mythical serpent, so skilled in stealth, that he hid himself in the shadows under the feet of the Gods, while observing the outcome of the fates of man throughout history.
Despite his secrecy and his own namesake, Tzauvaern the Silent's Cult of Secrets is an oddly public face. Their order is said to use one of their many spies to eavesdrop and record on people’s secrets, such as the conversations between dignitaries, entrepreneurs and nobles. People often pay tribute to this order, either to keep their secrets hidden or to be bribed substantially to learn the secrets of others.
Secrecy Domain
Bluff, Disguise and Stealth are class skills.
Veil of Secrets - 30ft. aura masks the alignment of the cleric and his allies. It also masks the auras of magical equipment and active spells. People must make a Will save DC 10+Cleric's level+Charisma modifier to recall any identifying characteristics of the subjects within the aura such as their article of clothing, facial features, race, gender, age, height, voice etc.
8th level power - Eyes of Secrets. You can cast Clairaudience/Clairvoyance as a standard action, and maintain multiple sensors equal to half your cleric level.
So, pfg, is there a good way to do monk/druid?
I really want to be a punchy martial artist who turns into a big wolfbeasty when the shit gets real.
Is there any way to make the multiclass worth it, or am I going to make an Alchemist again?
>>43685266
This is the only of those two I got, but here it is.
>>43685266
>>43685280
That DC is quite a bit too high and way too potent to just toss out at first level.
>>43685304
>>43685305
Thanks a bunch, guys.
Really appreciate it.
>>43685303
Well.
First off, are you entirely dedicated to Monk/Druid, or just anything really that does shapeshifting and dudepunching?
>>43685303
Stay Druid. Take Improved Unarmed Strike as your 1st level feat. Take Martial Training with Broken Blade maneuvers as your next 6 feats.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/feats
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/broken-blade-maneuvers
>>43685308
Yes
>>43685303
Feral Hunter. That's pretty much a druid specialized into shapechanging combat.
Though you'll still need to find a way to get improved unarmed strike.
>>43685323
Shapeshifting and dudepunching is the main game, yeah.
I should mention that Sphere's of power is off the table, though. PoW's probably good though.
I should have mentioned this before.
>>43685334
Ah.
Well.
Then I'm gonna recommend Feral Hunter and ye new Ascetic Style/Strike. It gets you monkpunching damage with a chosen monk weapon, of which unarmed is one.
>>43685334
The Shapeshifter from the APG and the Ambush Hunter from POW:E stack.
They are Ranger archetypes, and they lose spellcasting, but they get Primal Fury, Golden Lion, and Broken Blade maneuvers.
The animal companion also gets access to Primal Fury maneuvers.
It's not true shapeshifting, but the Shufter's Blessing abilities might work better for what you want.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/ranger/archetypes/paizo---ranger-archetypes/shapeshifter
>>43685386
>>43685332
>>43685324
>>43685397
Thanks for the advice, should be able to get this to work for me.
What are some good enchantments for a weapon for an anti-magic barbarian? No third-party stuff including the PFS Duelist, Courageous got errata'd, and I already have Furious. Is that pretty much it other than pluses?
>>43685512
Thundering (may permanently deafen target)
Spellstealing (may steal protective magic)
>>43685565
Oh, those sound like fun suggestions, thanks!
Are there any good enchantments/defenses to help keep wizards from shattering or breaking magical weapons, in general? Just realized putting most of my wealth into some metal that might be weaker than me could backfire.
Gareth, Elric, can a Hidden Blade rogue swap out one of their disciplines for Unquiet Grave?
>>43684904
Why Rogue specifically and not, say, Bard(with or without archeologist archetype) or even Investigator or Inquisitor?
>>43685303
Cave Druid with an Unchained Monk dip. Become a Flurry Ooze.
>>43685031
>dat thigh gap
Unf!
So I've been invited to play the Winter Queen adventure path and since I usually play magic users or sneakies I've decided on a good old fashioned dwarven fighter this time for variety, dumb as a sack of bricks and twice as stubborn.
And now I have discovered that not only do fighters get fucked up the ass in terms of skill ranks, but every combat feat worth taking wants me to have 13 intelligence, dexterity or both.
I'm starting to see why nobody plays fighters.
>>43685883
Hope your Will save is good. I heard every enemy mage in that adventure has Color Spray.
>>43685711
I'm not with DSP, but you can use the Unorthodox Method trait to swap one of them for Unquiet Grave, or join the Scales of Mourning martial tradition.
>>43684472
It won't be a PF clone or a heartbreaker, anon.
>>43684489
HOOOOOOLD the fuck up we've had an error in communication.
The answer re: including stuff we've already written was for fey!book. The new RPG won't - hell, /can't/ - include our previous work. Even fi the mechanics could fit - and they cannot - the setting wouldn't support it.
Lemme give you an idea here: when we start playtesting for the new thing, it'll have to have its own thread, because it'll be off-topic for this one.
I, ah, I hope that's clearer.
>>43685711
In the usual ways, yes. As to whether they can get a free swap...ehhhhh. I don't wanna open the can of worms labeled "get forced to consider individual initiating archetypes for swaps". So the RAW answer is no, and the RAI answer is "BACK DEMON, BACK TO THE PIT THAT SPAWNED YOU, SAY UNTO YOUR DM THAT I DON'T THINK IT WILL HURT ANYTHING AND THEN FLEE THIS PLAAAAAAAACE!"
Mornin', /pfg/.
I'm new with PF and in need of help with the elf rangernot a drizzt fag
There are bug/problem with this class?
>>43686248
What do you want your Ranger to do?
>>43686255
To not suck, other players are caster (Druid and Wizard)
>>43686193
Tell me about the fey. Why do they wear the masks?
>>43686308
You're not gonna out-outdoorsman the druid and you're not gonna outknowledge or outshoot the wizard so your bread and butter is gonna be melee. If you're okay with that it's gonna be fine.
>>43686308
If you're willing to give up spellcasting and an animal companion, make a Slayer instead.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/slayer
Since you can't describe what you want your character to do well at, here is the list of optimization guides:
>http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?233029-PF-Optimization-Guides-Compendium
>>43686328
Mmm. I miiiight be inclined to share storytime, but I need to note something, and then ask a question. The thing I need to note is that by necessity these will have little to do with Paizo's fey fluff - after all, Paizo's fluff is not open source - and will have roots in Celtic myth, though fidelity is a bit much to ask for (much to the frustration of Mrs. & Mrs. Layout).
The question is this: did you read the fluff on Dreige, and if not, can you do so real briefly?
>>43686336
>>43686339
I wanted to roleplay the "survive in the wild" ranger archer, thank you
Pathfinder fey could be infinitely improved by getting rid of the whole forest theme that they're all tied to for some reason and just making them straight up CN outsiders.
>>43686422
Some of them are tied to places other than forests.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/spring-heeled-jack
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/tombstone-fairy
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/nuckelavee
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/norn
Got any specific recommended Feats, flavorful or otherwise (i.e. not no-brainers like Power Attack) for a level 7...
>Sylph Sorcerer (Wildblooded, Primal Air Bloodline)
>Suli Brawler (base)
>Dhampir Inquisitor of Asmodeus (base)
>Skinwalker Bloodrager (Aberrant Bloodline, not sure of Witchwolf or Ragebred)
>>43686353
Am I screwed if I focused on Veiled Moon but the campaign takes place in planes cut off from either the Astral Plane or the Ethereal Plane?
What is that restriction for anyway.
>>43686609
Well, talk to your DM about that. Teleportation, by RAW, involves travel through the ethereal plane. If you can't access it then you won't be able to teleport.
Not everything in Veiled Moon is teleportation effects, there's some solid debuff maneuvers and force effects as well. But the fun stuff is really the teleports.
>>43686422
Make them the Lords and Ladies
people say they are beautiful, noble, elegant, but they never say they are good or friendly
keep the horseshoe above your door and iron ready in hand
>>43686353
Are these a different Four Horsemen than the daemonic Four Horsemen?
>>43686637
They are, but the latter were the inspiration for these; that is, these fey Horsemen modeled themselves after the legends of the originals, swearing mighty and sorcerous oaths to Famine, War, Pestilence, and Death to assume the roles they chose for themselves. They are known collectively as the Hammer of the Dark Court.
>>43686625
Sorry, astral plane. Not ethereal. Mornings are rough.
And then there was NEW. MOURNERS!
http://dreamscarred.com/mourners-ashes-to-ashes-rainy-days/
I have a question.
Is there any other way to balance a spell created by a player in the downtime rules aside from just looking at the available spells of that level?
>>43686908
I demand we see her end level adventuring art
where she is in a huge black wedding dress, a large scythe and silver spiky headdress
>>43686908
She looks a bit undernourished to be wielding a sword like that
>>43686991
Nope; balancing that stuff is very much based on gut feeling.
>>43686997
There are so many things wrong with that idea that I'm not even sure where to start, but I think I'll begin by reminding anon-in-general that Kes is asexual/aromantic and also that armor is not just there to look pretty it's there to prevent horrible death.
>>43687041
Why are her arms uncovered, then? Why does she have a zettai ryouiki?
>>43687041
Glamered armor? At 2750gp, it is a small cost for most high level adventurers.
>>43687074
Or the sleeves of many garments, for 200.
>>43687058
The latter is Because Artist. The former is because Kes is/was a gangster, not a soldier, and because I have to represent Pathfinder's horrible ideas about light armor /somehow/. You'll note that Aisling doesn't have anything tougher than a coat covering her legs or arms either.
>>43687079
Sleeves of Many Garmets are the best magic item in PF.
>>43687086
Agreed.
>>43687079
Yeah, but unless the DM's willing to custom magic items, generally a Harbi will want the wrist slots for the Seducer's Bane bracelet and the +5 on sense motive.
>>43687034
It's sized for her; more notably, Kestrel, like many harbingers, is stronger than she looks. Accursed Will'll do that for you.
Mechanically, she's a Str build.
>>43687083
That's why you should use the piecemeal armor rules
makes more sense, and makes light/medium armor good
>>43685031
>Dullahan
>She doesn't look Irish
>>43687041
>armor is not just there to look pretty it's there to prevent horrible death.
Not with magic it's not. You don't actually need realistic armor except in real life. What's important is style points.
>>43687074
>>43687079
>>43686908
> kestrel.jpg
> looks like halfing
> story mention wings
I know what she is
>>43687234
Anon, harbingers just GROW wings.
>>43687228
The obvious answer is that like many adventurers, Kestrel is incredibly cheap when it comes to things that don't make her murder things harder.
>>43686328
Somebody say masks?
>>43686367
>I wanted to roleplay the "survive in the wild" ranger archer, thank you
Slayer is perfect for that, you know.
Want to become a "survive in the wild" character with the Slayer? Take "Know the Land" as your trait. Congratulations, you now have Knowledge (Nature).
>>43687234
You've missed literally an entire series of context, anon. You want the Mourners set, here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?432004-Cool-Dreamscarred-Press-fiction!
TL;DR she's the iconic Harbinger, and an elf. She is also pic related's older sister (pic related is the iconic Crimson Countess).
>>43687274
>pic related is the iconic Crimson Countess
But she's blonde.
>>43687253
What are harbingers? Custom race or class on a campaign setting?
>>43687291
A class put out by Dreamscarred Press. They run around stabbing things powered by negative emotion, and have maneuvers and movement modes.
>>43687253
>Kestrel is incredibly cheap when it comes to things that don't make her murder things harder.
Her clothes would actually cost more than a full suit that does better protection, actually, since that's all custom.
This would mean she *wanted* to look like that, why would an aromantic/asexual woman want to show off her thighs?
>>43687304
"Because Artist," duh. The armorsmith made the armor that way because he thought it looked good, and it's magic and expensive as hell, so are YOU going to shell out for a new suit when this one works fine?
What are some good mechanical options for neutral clerics? I'm considering doing a bit of channeling with versatile channeler/champion of balance.
I've got pretty much free roam on domains as i have to make my own god anyway, so what are some fun (not necessarily strong) choices?
>>43687274
>>43686708
Stance of the Crane Knight + Time Skitter (Haste) on a human in light armor: 90 foot fly speed or 120 foot fly speed?
>>43687303
Ah. I got excited and hoped to see the kestrel race in other works than the splatbook it first came out.
>>43687317
I am a huge fan of the Air (Wind) domain. Line of CL-based bull rush as a 1st-level power is just /neat/.
Shame there's no Dungeoncrasher in Pathfinder though...
>>43687320
Stance of the Crane Knight is twice your BASE land speed. So if you're human, it's still only a 60 ft. fly speed.
>>43687041
>Asexual/Aromantic Harbinger
>lesbian relationship with toxic partners
>Heterosexual male is just doing his thing
>Only heterosexual couple is a throwaway pair of NPCs
The apple doesn't fall far from the Paizo tree
>>43687326
Right side of the page. Only thing its lacking is bonus to break/checks/ignoring hardness.
But to be honest there are a few ways to get bonuses to break checks and if you actually can somehow get +15 or more break checks become silly when you just bust through 5ft thick stone walls.
>>43687347
Ouch.
>>43687317
Variant channeling with the rulership domain is the ultimate channeling optimisation if you want to go in that direction.
>>43687337
Time Skitter specifically lists:
>a +30 ft. enhancement bonus to base speed
As one of the benefits.
>>43687347
So what would be /pfg/'s sexuality?
>>43687347
That's not particularly called for, anon.
>>43687323
It'll happen. Just not now-now.
>>43687320
Team discussing answer now.
>>43687364
Dungeoncrasher added +4d6 + 2*Str, then later +8d6+3*Str, which is a LOT better. +1*Str is weak.
Question about Spheres casting: How do I go about itemizing for a spheres caster?
Is there any items that boost how many spell points I can get? I've never itemized a mage before, much less a spheres caster, so I have no idea what to do with all my gold asides 'Headband of intellect'
>>43687337
Sorry, wasn't able to finish my post.
So, your fly speed in Stance of the Crane Knight is equal to double your BASE land speed. As a human, that means you have a fly speed of 60 ft. Haste increases all your speeds by 30 ft. up to a maximum of double your speed, so it would go from 60 ft. to 90 ft. fly speed.
Tl; DR: Your fly speed is 90 ft.
>>43687378
Yeah, my computer hiccuped before I could finish. Time skitter is as the /haste/ spell. The enhancement bonus to "base" speed is reference, but haste doesn't actually apply to base speed. That's an editing error that will be fixed. Use the haste spell for reference on the effects of Time Skitter and related maneuvers that call out the /haste/ spell.
I have a question about Marionette Possession, what is it's purpose? Like I can think of some uses for it, but what is it's intended use?
>>43687409
I'm sorry I keep asking, but Soul Bolt as thrown weapon group still not agreed on?
Also, if I use Altered Penumbra in the middle of a full attack, I can continue it afterwards, right?
>>43687384
I think most of us here would be some shade of heterosexual.
>>43687384
Anything that's not a pandering and screeching headache
As for myself?
Xenophillic Heterosexual. As long as she passes the Harkness Test, has a nice personality, and is willing to wait and commit to matrimony, then I'm gold. Granted I do have a certain list of preferences, but they can vary and I can be flexible.
>>43687406
Which version of the book do you have? If you have the official full version, they have rules for Magic items in the latter chapters
>>43687441
I'm a shade of beige mixed with light green, myself. Needless to say, I am not picked out at the Heterosexual Lowe's all that often.
>>43687386
>That's not particularly called for, anon.
It wasn't called for, but it's something that had to be saidif you want to make a setting that doesn't make the same mistakes as Paizo.
>>43687447
The one with the drow bride on the front. No magic items there.
>>43687431
The RAW is that they don't belong to /any/ weapon group. We're actually discussing what exactly to do about it right now.
You need to use Altered Penumbra in response to an attack, I'm not sure of many situations where you'd be attacked in the middle of a full attack, but if that were the case you should still be able to finish your full attack provided you still have legal targets for your attacks after you finish the actions for Altered Penumbra.
>>43687479
Attacked in mid full attack from provoking with a ranged weapon, or enemy using a counter like Quick Snap.
>>43687471
That's the Drow-Anon edition of the beta. It's not the full version of SoP and is missing the last few chapters (including magic items), and some balancing fixes. And other different things.
Sorry mate.
Rolling an Arcane Kitsune sorcerer with Tattooed and Ninetailed archetypes, level 11 with 25 PB. Mostly 1PP, but the GM is willing to consider 3PP. This is for either a 1-shot or a short adventure, since the GM wanted an excuse to play more often, even if it was just 1-on-1.
How do I enchantment, /pfg/? I want to be a whimsical little shit, but aside from a quick glimpse at "generic sorcerer's spell list" I have no idea what to do outside of making my DCs bigger and making sure I am almost impossible to hit. I still want a few blasts and illusions, and will undoubtedly grab at least dimension door, but I'm kind of lost.
>>43687512
The biggest issue is that you're gonna be fucked when you run into things immune to mind-affecting.
fffff
>>43687500
I did say many, not any.
> I'm not sure of many situations where you'd be attacked in the middle of a full attack
>>43687512
Go away Ran.
>>43687512
Dimension door comes free with arcane bloodline.
Take conjuration spells when you inevitably run into enchantment immune/resistant enemies.
Buffs to make your party fight better, because you will be either extremely useful or disappointingly mediocre in fights depending on the enemy.
Enervation to reduce saves.
>>43687543
Or fighting anyone with mithral current.
>>43687553
Then I applaud your GM for pitting you against a Mithral Current disciple.
>>43687396
The damage of this archetype comes from the free chained maneuvers each doing the strength, not from the single maneuver. For example the various free bull rushes you can get on shield attacks woudl deal damage now, then trigger free overrun for damage, which you can use with the feats that give a free attack on an overrun which would now trigger a bull rush on a crit repeating the process.
>>43687512
How Kitsune are we talking here?True to folklore? Sexy and seductive? Cute and carefree?
>>43687587
Ah, yeah. That's not gonna work at all with Wind Cleric, then. The main reason I thought Dungeoncrasher was neat was because it was four levels to get a fun gimmick build; I've done stuff with telekinetic bull rushes and also spammed Melf's Unicorn Arrow (using Practiced Spellcaster to get the CLs back from the dip, and metamagic to hit people multiple times in the same round).
>>43687512
Get still spell which comes in handy when you get grappled and a lesser silent rod so you can make enchantment attempts in public. Magic Lineage (charm or dominate person) depending on starting level. Ranks in linguistics so you can talk to creatures you enchant (most of which will probably be townspeople). Take bluff if you feel like using mundane means of fucking with people.
>>43687630
>lesser silent rod so you can make enchantment attempts in public
I'm pretty sure silent spells are still supposed to be noticeable as spellcasting
How would I go about having a buddy who possess me? 3pp allowed, something like pic related or the destroyer from torchlight 1
Some sort of summoner variant?
>>43687650
He has still spell + magic lineage so that means its silent still at no spell level adjustment.
>>43687571
>weeb discipline
I enjoy beating down nerds like that. Broken blade 4 lyfe.
>>43687701
That doesn't change my point.
>>43687657
Medium, and that one Spiritualist archetype. Synthesist Summoner works as well.
>>43687657
Like another player character? Or just flavor stuff for the class?
>>43687430
This anon was talking about a spell that lets you possess willing targets.
>>43687571
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/disciplines-and-maneuvers/scarlet-throne-maneuvers/scar
If my race gives me two claw attacks, what do I have to do to qualify for Scarlet Einhander?
If I have my hands empty (though still with, you know, claws), can I avail of Scarlet Einhander?
>>43687734
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
>>43687713
>No verbal and somatic components, no ranged touch attack.
How will they figure it out? You'll just be standing within 25 +ft of the dude without making hand gestures, sounds or even pointing at the victim.
>>43686193
Speaking of your fae book, can it just refluff all harbingers as traversers of grim fae realms bearing the fruits of verbotten knowledge and souls torn by the hedge?
>>43687734
Mithril Current has rules for illogical "sheathed" stuff. Use that for your offhand?
>>43687734
Not a dev, but I'd say so, since while wielding another Weapon your claws are considered to be secondary attacks. Also, with natural weapons, even though you are considered armed, you are still technically Unarmed, so I'd guess having a free hand still works.
Basically, if a Magus with claws can still use spellcombat, then einhander should still work.
>>43687772
Because spells still have noticeable spell effects. If you want unnoticeable spells, take this feat.
>>43687715
Synth summoner doesn't allow the spirit to act independently of it.
Medium I've heard nothing but bad things about.
I'll look into spiritualist.
>>43687722
Possession, but also able to act independently. Like if the Synth summoner could have it's eldion act independently of it, or have it possess the summoner.
Wasn't there an old shounen anime that used to come on american TV with possession as one of it's main themes? It was a pretty typical shounen battle anime, but I can't remember the name.
>>43687814
Shaman King.
>>43687552
Ninetailed archetype replaces bloodline spells with magical tail feats. Yes I am intentionally replacing an entire set of really good spells with a set of gimmicky SLA 2/days. Got any recommended spells for when I can't whimsy my way through things, or is the generic fireball/black tentacles enough?
The party, at most, will be my kitsune and a tiefling wizard. I expect things to get very silly, very quickly.
>>43687599
I need to read up on my folklore, but "whimsical little shit with a poor grasp of human ethics" is how they usually are, right? It'll be hard as fuck to do, but it should be a fun challenge.
>>43687630
How good is that tattoo that allows 1/day ability to enchant a spell with both still and silent spell?
>>43687734
OK, so...
AW Answer: "When wielding a melee weapon in one hand, the initiator presents a slim profile with strong offensive and defensive ability..."
You get the effects 100% of the time, regardless of TWF and natural weapons, because you are always wielding your unarmed strike.
RAI you're only supposed to be attacking with one of the claws in a round. We'll be clearing up the wording in errata so that it's more in line with things like Scarlet Throne Style and the Landsknecht's abilities. >>43687775
Also has a good idea for clearing things up, saying that your other hand is "sheathed" or simply not using it to attack that round would meet the RAI of the stance very well.
>>43687832
That's it! I might have to go back and watch that.
Anything similar to those guys, then? I want to get into all sorts of possession shenanigans.
>>43687814
DSP's got a not!Medium in playtesting that's pretty much what it should have been. Could use that. Doesn't have independent actions though.
>>43687840
>but "whimsical little shit with a poor grasp of human ethics" is how they usually are, right?
Kinda, Kitsune were mischievous tricksters that ranged from "they deserved it" to downright evil, they do however possess a solid grasp of human ethics and morality that they only follow when it suits them, and often leads to the Kitsune returning a favor or seeking vengeance against a perceived slight.
The portrayal of Kitsune really depend on what story you're looking at as well, since in some they're tricksters, in others they're holy messengers, and others as dutiful wives and lovers.
>>43687840
Summon monster III and up are pretty good, Maybe Caustic eruption if you run into spell immune targets and want to hurt them. Grease, Glitterdust, Stinking cloud and other conjuration debuffs for winning shit then there's wall of stone.
As for other school spells Telekinesis is always useful, Maybe the Hand spells from evocation school, Explode head and Boneshatter if you want to follow the whole "If I cant make you my friend then I am going to hurt you in horrible ways" Merciful spell if you want to be ironic about it.
Then there's the various buffs.
>>43687966
Oh and simulacrums if you want to do trickster shit like filling a small town full of fake people.
>>43687918
>Portrayal could be any of those three
Why not all three?
>Traveling across the country side with a self proclaimed 'divine messenger' who's trying to be your wife, yet constantly plays tricks on you.
>>43687985
It can easily be all three, a white/blonde-haired Kitsune with divine magic stealing things from overly proud soldiers or corrupt traders and gifting them to her partner totally fits.
>>43687896
Shaman King had two main techniques which were used by 99% of shamans. The first was Hyoui Gattai(?) which allowed a spirit to possess the shaman and share their skills. The second was Oversoul, which channeled the spirit into a symbolic object to manifest a giant weapon/suit of armor/etc. around it out of the shaman's energy.
You can't use possession and Oversoul at the same time, but generally by the time a shaman learns how to use Oversoul some of their spirit partner's combat skills have rubbed off on them anyway.
The closest equivalent is probably that soulknife archetype that attaches their psicrystal to things.
>>43687773
An archetype is planned.
>>43688057
Yeah, I'm not feeling that archetype. I guess I'll have to homebrew something together.
Thanks for your help, though!
So my GM allows third party stuff, and I have a question for you experts.
A level adjustment of +1 doesn't seem right for this. What SHOULD it be?
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Elite_(D20_Modern_Race)
>>43688275
>those stats
Horry Sheet! What manner of Halo Autist made this? Couldn't he just made it simpler and streamed down to be an actually playable race? Afterall, most Sangheili you fight are trained warriors who have to go through rigorous years of training, what you fight in game is not indicative of the race itself
>>43688096
Gareth, one question. Assume a character with natural attacks and a two handed reach weapon in both hands. A ranged user attacks closer than the reach weapon's range-As part of a Blade Breaking Counter, can opponent stick his hand out (And back into the weapon after the counter) to perform the counter?
>>43688319
Well, supposedly the tank-flipping thing isn't just a game mechanic.
What would be a more appropriate level adjustment for this?
OK pfg, I've been invited to an 11th level game and to get it out of the way, I've never played a game this high before. The GM is giving me an 82k gp budget to buy my starting kit.
Can you check if this setup is good enough for a lvl 11 Sorcerer:
82k Budget
Bedroll- 1sp
Blanket - 5sp
Waterskin - 1gp
Trail rations x7 - 3.5gp
Familiar Satchel - 25gp
Hemp rope - 1gp
Potion of Cure moderate wounds x3 900gp
Wand of Cure light wounds - 750gp
Wand of Lesser Restoration 4,500gp
Handy Haversack - 2,000
Three quivers of Large sized arrows- 6gp
Bag of Holding I- 2,500gp
Large sized greatclubs x15 - 300gp
Lesser Quicken Metamagic Rod - 35,000
Headband of Charisma +4 - 16,000
Cloak of Resistance +4 16,000
Belt of Mighty Constitution +2 - 4,000 gp
12gp 9sp Pocket money (Maybe buy some gifts for the other party members with this?)
>>43688371
Btw all non third party material from the srd is allowed.
>>43688371
Can you take crafting feats to double this money?
>>43688371
You could get a Paladin-crafted wand of Lesser Restoration for 750 instead.
>>43688351
I'd say don't use it, and instead make it from scratch. Otherwise I'd say a +2-3 LA.
>>43687619
Oh god no i wasn't saying siegebreaker was good for this build, just that its sorta like dungeoncrasher in some ways, but weaker. Plus it works pretty well on a 2 level dip.
Quick question, from reading that do you think the damage it applies would apply on spell based combat maneuvers?
Maybe not for this build, but for a gimmick level Siegebreaker 2/Fighter 1/Never ever go past level 3 because this build is terrible and you'll die "muscle wizard" build that spammed hydraulic push or gust of wind.
>>43688389
Crafting feats are allowed and I'm even considering starting with a witch cohort but since the party current consists of a Barbarian, Rogue and Oracle I feel like holding back a little.
>>43688433
Shit, i meant Siegebreaker 2/Caster 1, not fighter 1.
>>43688319
The games don't really show it that well, but elites are superhuman, so these stats really aren't that surprising.
>>43688351
2-3 easily. Dunno how this guy thought it was just 1.
>>43688399
This is great, Now I can probably afford a mnemonic vestment if I trim the list a little.
>>43687347
Nowadays you're as likely to find a bunch of gamers with that list of sexualities as you are a game where those come into play.
It's almost the makeup of my group, save we do have a het couple as well.
>>43688450
Get crafting feats, then have 16.4k gold to play with instead.
>>43688493
Yep. I'll also note that characters in the other stories have shaken out het or are still mysteries. Endeca got word of God from me a few threads ago as pan.
>>43688590
Gareth, answer on this? >>43688320
>>43688617
We're working on it. I am at work and thus cannot answer definitively.
>>43684462
I'm a first-level alchemist, and it kind of sucks. We never get out of these really tight corridors, and every fight is a clusterfuck of everyone rushing in and forming a conga line or a mass grapple. I'm lucky if I can wing one enemy with a bomb, but I also can't help in any other way. When I finally hit level 2, should I take Infusion or Precise Bombs? I don't have a lot of books, and I'm pretty sure my DM doesn't allow third-party material.
>>43688590>Implying Paizo doesn't do the same thing
Assuming Paizo-only, how do I play this gal?
>>43688320
Changing taking your hand off a weapon (or putting it on one) is a free action, however free actions can only be done on your turn unless it specifies otherwise, so by RAW if you have both hands on your weapon you couldn't use your claws to perform blade breaking counter.
>>43688648
...Anon. I write the characters I see in my head. You don't need an agenda to have a diverse cast. The romances will shake out how they shake out.
Morning /pfg/!
Quick little request: Could someone link the polymath and warpath PoW playtest files?
I was looking through all the playtest stuff and it doesn't seem to be in there. Unless my eyes glazed over them...
>>43688690
Wizard
>>43688690
Wizard. Technically kineticist has a version of her main power, but kineticist is awful.
>>43688736
They're in the class templates file. With all the other class templates.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hHsiSKoL2nR4oWgzPKQwXfqYENuNkDmBiX323SlTPfc/edit?usp=sharing
>>43688721>Implying Paizo isn't writing their characters from their head as well.
>>43688790
You do you, anon. Not worth an argument.
>>43688647
Precise bombs unless you want to be that dickhead that "accidentally" hurts allies.
>>43688790
To be fair, Gareth's fiction has a small sample size. And isn't composed of cardboard cutouts.
>>43688802
Gareth, you need an overly ham evil character.
Like every obnoxious villain rolled into one.
Cause we know that the Anti-paladin is just a background thing to Pazio.
>>43688881
One of the new iconics in Hell's Vengeance is supposedly an antipaladin so we'll see
>>43684929
Slayer has a talent that grants you Trapfinding, Disable Device as a class skill, and Trap Sense. Don't bother with the archetype, just take the talent.
>>43688789
Thanks, Elric!
>>43688802
>>43688869>Implying I'm not just bitter at a perceived lack of my orientation that feels at times intentional, first from Paizo and now by DSP
Fuck, I've become one of them.
What do you want to see as a player race?
Do you plan on homebrewing it, or will you not because of unfamiliarity with homebrewing or some other reason?
>>43685065
>>43685065
What the fuck? This doesn't work in the slightest. The instant they touch the cages/mirrors, they are automatically aware that they're illusions. They don't even have to make a save, they stick their hand through it because it's not solid, and immediately think "Oh, well, it must not be real." Then they walk outside your little "trap" and continue to beat the shit out of you.
If your GM has allowed this to work even once, they need to get a lot more experience with the game before trying to run one.
>>43688892
We already have an iconic antipaladin, the artwork for HV Book 1 is a placeholder.
>>43689010
If it makes you feel better most of Endeca's party is het, with the obvious exception of the title character there. And Kyria but that's fiend blood for you.
Are there any metamagics to let me use Nightmare on a non-sleeping opponent, or am I better off just throwing Phantasmal Killer or Programmed Image at them?
>>43688690
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/arcanist/archetypes/paizo---arcanist-archetypes/elemental-master
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2t4li?I-guess-a-0-armour-check-penalty-allows
"I am a firm believer that Paizo put these armour feats (light,Med,Heavy) into the game for a reason! Remember there is always a reason for these FEATS!
Here is my logic and I don't expect all of you to understand it."
Sweet fucking christ
So I have never played Pathfinder before, and am joining a game, I want to play an easy to learn class and was thinking of a fighter. Any tips or reccomendations for classes? Also feats and races too, but ill prolly stick to human.
>>43689160
Trox Alchemist
>>43689160
From what I've seen and heard a two-handed-weapon Fighter or an archer Ranger are the easiest classes to play. While this might be somewhat controversial to say,pick whatever feats or combat styles you want and don't worry about being 'optimized'. If your group is at least half decent you'll be fine. Ask your GM in advance if you can swap out feats between sessions at the beginning, just to get a feel for the game and what works for you.
>>43689071
The gesture is appreciated, but that just makes me thinkhet is being relegated to something that happens in the background, which again is something Paizo gleefully does in their stories.
I don't know, I'm just confused as to why prominent relationships featuring men/women have become such a taboo in tabletop, there's a lot of material you could work with there.
>>43689125
>paizo forums
I don't know what I expected.
>>43689380
Endeca's story isn't background precisely, I'm just not actively working on it because I've got ideas for Kestrel that need to be excised.
>each hit deals 2d6 hp fire damage
>hp damage
I feel fucking retarded, what does that mean?
Also what action do you take to a maintain a grapple? Do you need improved grapple to make it shorter?
>>43689495
>hp
How can you not know what hit points are
>>43689515
No, I know that bit. I mean, do I ignore DR or something?
Hi, slight build advice, I am going for a dhampiric cleric that will mainly go for undead and so I am going for some channeling stuff. My main question is , as we start at level 2 and both Nobility and Undeath are my planed domains should I cut one of them out , and or add variant channeling?
A: Undeath lord Regular Channeling.
B: Variant Channeling Undeath.
C: Variant Channeling Nobility/rulership for that sweet daze effect.
D: Variant Channeling Nobility + Undeath lord for the higher self heal
E: Variant Channeling +Undeath Lord. = All the healing of Undead.
I am aiming , thanks to a neutral goddes to go for variable channeling later on also.
>>43689543
What exact ability are you quoting here
Whats the best class/build that is basically like the engineer from tf2 (not like turrets or teleporters thatd be silly) but a guy who fights with gadgets (all 3rd party is welcome) in 3.5
>>43689543
If it's fire damage, it damages anyone who doesn't have fire resistance.
>>43689380
It's not taboo at all.
For some people, it's just boring. Or overdone (see: almost every mainstream movie with a romance). Or gross. Or just not as hot as gay couples.
Or maybe writers aren't completely in control over their inspiration, and write what 'feels' natural to the situations at hand. Which in turn can differ from what other people like.
>>43689617
Starfire Fury.
>>43689650
artificiar
http://dndtools.pw/classes/artificer/
>>43689495
You need to spend a standard action to maintain a grapple, but you also are allowed to do something else if you succeed: attack, pin, move....
If you want to reduce the action needed, take Greater Grapple. It reduces the action needed to a move action, so you can use your standard to... grapple and do something else (attack/move/pin) again, or to use a strike, or whatever else you desire. Or, if you fail to maintain it, you can try again in the same turn.
>>43689650
Artisan. 3rd party and on the SRD by Drop Dead Studios, its "Magical Blacksmith minus Casting: The Class" plus they get a homunculus.
If by gadgets you mean James Bind/McGuyver, the Vauntguard by the same studio, which you can find a link to a PDF in the /pfg/ archive
There is also a Construct Rider Alchemist
>>43689685
Looks like it's just an unnecessary word or typo- or just clarifying (unneccesarily) that it does damage to your HP instead of ability damage. If it bypassed DR or something it would say so.
>>43689697
Alright, good to know how that works. What about grabbing?
>>43689741
Gotcha, thanks.
>>43689650
Gearhead from Pure Steam may be what you're looking for. They even have teleportation!
>>43689766
Grabbing remains a standard action.
If third party is allowed, you can can take Seize the Opportunity from here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EPARqt5jpie03MIXStgFrNK_si6g218bjT4TFbcizPY/edit
It allows you to grab someone as an attack of opportunity.
energy damage (like fire) ignores damage reduction, >>43689543
>tfw we cleared out a CR 5 encounter as a CR 2 party with Corsair and Zweihander Sentinel
In other news, Golden Lion is amazing, Warning Roar is perfect for defending our squishy AC 13 Sorceress from bows or blades.
What does /pfg/ think of the Bloodrager, from a class design and balance standpoint? Mechanically, does it do a satisfactory job of mashing up mage with martial, or is the Magus a better execution of the concept?
>Build a big badguy as a Stalker 3/Rogue 1 for the party to fight.
>Maneuvers should make the fight tough, even if it's going to be in confined quarters.
>They get the drop on him in a tiny room where he can't run due to positioning.
>All maneuver attacks miss except one.
>Even with me fudging damage so he lasts enough rounds to uses his moves, he still goes down like a bitch, only managing to knock the Barbarian to 0 because of a lucky crit.
I kind of expected him to be scarier. But when all your rolls miss, you're not really very threatening.
>>43689667
>It's not taboo at all.
It certainly feels like taboo when you're literally the only heterosexual male character in a 5 person party, or heterosexual couples simply aren't a thing in any shade of prominence for effectively every bit of material out there (which is honestly the thing that confuses me more, you mention a lot of "somes" but it translates into heterosexual pairings just straight up not existing.)Felt like a smug shit when the noblewoman 3/5ths of the party had their eye on was straight, there was a bit of butthurt with that one.
>>43689943
What was the encounter, how big was your party, and what was thier whole composition?
Also reminds me of when our party derailed what was possibly a CR 5-6 encounter as lvl 4. Barbarians are fun as hell.
>>43690050
>But when all your rolls miss, you're not really very threatening.
Anon, that's because you're doing it wrong.
Plenty of media out there portrays really frightening opponents as never landing a solid hit on the protagonists, why?
Because if they did the protagonist fucking DIED. That's what you need to emphasize with the big bad guy, that his blows are missing but you sure as hell *don't* want them to hit.
>>43690050
How many PCs was he fighting, and at what levels? It's really hard to just have a solo enemy in Pathfinder that lasts against a mob of PCs for too long.
Since Lilly is in two campaigns, I feel as though I might start sharing in some of her adventures. Last Eberron session went a little something like this:
>Looking for an allied Druid from the Wardens of the Woods whom recently gone missing
>Investigate a cave where enemy druids, the Children of Winter and the Ashbound have retreated
>let's wreck some shit
>New player get
>She's a Druid; the one we've been looking for. Seems to be a bit new to the system, but she seems cool so far
>Druid and her bear were locked in a cage. Nothing a great ax can't solve
>Spiders
>So many spiders
>Come upon enemy druids commanding a mining operation
>Warlord suggests to wait back to find out what they are up to. Tactical shit
>Literally everyone but the Warlord just runs in for a fight
>boots1.png
>>43690091
Also, what you perceive as being an easy fight as a DM, the players might see as much more difficult.
I one of my big combat sessions involved an assault on a bandit fort. Nobody lasted more than 3 rounds, including the Owlbear and the level 8 Warlord boss. The PCs took a total of 15 damage between the three of them.
I thought the fight went terribly, but my players said it was one of the toughest fights they've had.
>>43690071
>What was the encounter, how big was your party, and what was thier whole composition?
Two level 4 Orcs (both of them TWF with enchanted weapons,) and a pack of six level 1s wielding bows.
It was just me as a level 3 Zweihander Sentinel, and a level 3 Corsair. We had a Sorceress with us, but she only occasionally jammed the Corsair with a healing wand to keep the guy from dying.
The Sentinel OHKed one of the Orcs by vaulting off a skinned bear corpse and smashing his head in with the pommel of my greatsword, and the other guy put up a decent fight against the Corsair while my guy cleaved through the Orcs like they weren't there.
>>43689447
Yo, Gareth, just a quick question.
I made a donation for Chris' campaign and grabbed me a cameo slot but haven't had an email yet.
You guys been busy or has there been an error?
>>43689026
protean people
aeon people
inevitable people
why hasn't paizo made these things yet
>>43689961
If you're trying to mix magic and martial together, go Magus
If you're trying to be martial with just a pinch of magic, go Bloodrager
>>43690145
Very busy. We're in the process of getting thing going. You should hear from us soon.
>>43690145
Busy. He just had his MRI an hour ago and is fighting eviction. We'll be in touch as fast as we can.
I, um. I should mention that I cannot certify the safety of a cameo character. More details will be in the email.
>>43690095
There's 5 PCs, but the Cleric stayed back on another deck, so he wasn't there. All PCs level 3.
>Barbarian charges through door, sees Stalker/Rogue on the other side and shits his pants.
>He engages, and lands a hit or two while dodging blows.
>Tank-Dwarf comes in and blocks the other door to the room, which henchmen are trying to get through.
>Swashbuckler coming down the stairs, Barbarian goes down from the only blow to land on him. Bad guy is at like, 1/2 health by now.
>Swashbucker jumps over Barbarian, pinning Bad Guy into corner as he tries to potion up.
>Brings him to 0 without taking a hit.
>Occultist is last into the room, potions the Barbarian while Bad Guy is being fought.
>2 Henchmen keep Dwarf busy.
Having a solo enemy last long enough to make an impact has always been my problem. My solution is always to fudge things so they last longer, or make sure they land at least one hit, because even if it's like >>43690126 says and they think a combat is tough, I don't want to have them drop a boss-type enemy without taking a single hit.
>>43690199
That's fine, just wanted to know if you were waiting for me to reply my email filter devoured or something.
Thanks for the swift reply!
>>43690210
>I, um. I should mention that I cannot certify the safety of a cameo character. More details will be in the email.
Oh, oh my. I fear for my intended character now, as fitting as it would be for bad things to befall her.
>>43690216
>I don't want to have them drop a boss-type enemy without taking a single hit.
My DM thought like this once.
It resulted in half the party dying and our Fighter+Sorcerer getting eaten by a Gibbering Abomination.
>>43689692
>>43689721
>>43689783
Thanks guys I'll check them out
>>43690117
Any stories from your other campaign? You talk about the Ebberon one a lot
>>43690325
For the artificer, there's a couple guides that I'd read for the class as you check it out. It's complicated as fuck.
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=2829.0 (good general guide for the class)
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?427628-Disregard-Money-Acquire-Buff-Spells-Artificers-without-the-Artifice (good guide for the infusions and noncrafting portions of the class)
>>43690274
We'll discuss it anon. A lot depends on what kind of story she appears in and with whom.
>>43690117
>Literally who?
>>43690391
>>43690325
if you want to be a 3.5 artificer in pathfinder this guy made a working brew
https://sites.google.com/site/eberronpathfinder/conversion-info/classes/artificer
the 3.5 ficer had a few things that don't translate 1to1 in pathfinder
