>>43589365
Could get some good mileage out of mythos stuff underpinning one of the conflicts. Say the only reason Assad hasn't been assassinated is because of some dark magic he found hidden away in a Crusader ' s tomb in Damascus, and he had to start a war to kill Muslims to power it, tying back to whatever deal the Crusader made.

Then I would lead them to think Donbass or w/e had similar causes underneath, only to find out that nope, just plain old human evil.

Now I want to rum this. Thoughts?

>>43589486

I think mythos stuff needs to be incidental to the conflict itself or else that cheapens them both. Cosmic horrors shouldn't care about border conflicts and "the dictator is a necromancer!" is a Saturday morning cartoon.

Use the conflict as a way to encounter the mythos, sure. The war might take place over an underground Yithian ruin, prompting a squad to hide in the caverns, maybe use it as a supply depot while a Flying Polyp is stalking them.

>>43589486
Shit I mean, I hadn't put much thought into it, my DG scenario pitches start with the end in mind, like the one I'm writing now about an assault on a drug lord's mansion.

But yeah, the dark, Muslim-soul-fueled-Crusader Magic sounds neat, though I don't think you'll have an easy time connecting it to the ongoing Ukrainian crisis. Maybe have the whole Syrian shit-storm be caused (or at least sparked) by someone trying to get as many dead Muslims as possible.

Sorta like someone saw the casualty figures for Gettysburg and thought that 46,286 killed, wounded and missing was pretty good for three days of WWI fighting.

>>43589686
I can see it both ways, it depends on the group you're playing with. Sometimes the dictator is a necromancer, sometimes it just kinda looks that way from the other side of the world. Call of Cthulhu and Delta Green are games that work off of blindsiding genre savvy players. Swing between using Red Herrings and presenting the truth from the start.

>>43589702
>46,286 killed, wounded and missing was pretty good for three days of WWI fighting
Fuck, Je suis un retard. Pre-WWI fighting is what I meant.

>What are your thoughts on running missions in current warzones
I think the trick is to keep it topical but not fall into a /pol/ pit. And I believe to way to do it is to use a real world situation and explain it with more sinister and less mundane undercurrents.

Take Syria. Several things are coming together.

>The old oil alliance between US capital and the Saudi regime. At its core is the basis of power both for the US (oil/military/intelligence industry) and the Saudi royal family (Wahhabism).
Clearly this is an evil evil pact at the core of our world's troubles, be they social, religious, military, economic, or environmental. I have no idea which dark deity oversaw the agreement made on Bitter Lake 100 years ago, but any death cult will do. Thematically it's close to MJ-12, and the private sector angle fits nicely.

>The polarization and religious instrumentalization of Muslim vs Christian vs Jew, and it's extremist tradition from National Socialism over Intifada and Mujahideen to Al Quaeda.
So many old gods, so little time. But this region being the ancient halls of monotheism, you can have crazy fringe cults in every other village.

>The proposed pipeline projects and the risk of isolation they pose for Russia.
You know that the pipelines are just artificial ley lines, right?

>The status of Turkey as US air base and missile launch site against Russia, and the fundamentalist totalitarian in power who just stole an election and is now amending the constitution.
This is interesting, maybe a new power is rising.

>The plight of the Kurds. Traditionally everyone's boot shit wiper, now the only stable power in the country, and a phenomenal military ally who is kept on an extremely short leash.
...

>The difficulties Europe has in dealing with refugees and the advantages this presents to the US economy.

>The distraction it provides for the secret negotiations to the Covenant of TTIP where all our souls will be sold to powers beyond our control for all eternity.

>>43589832
You're fucking my head for real here, man

>>43589686
The way I read it mythos powers aren't actively involved, someone is just using a mythos thing he found.

>>43590238
Meet Adam Curtis, the world explainer.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hdcji

>>43590246
Well, he did mention Assad finding it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad

>>43590294
Right...but Nyarlathotep isn't telling him to do anything. He just found it and is trying to use it.

>>43590246
This is the way to handle it.

>>43590362
Shit my bad. Had you confused with this guy >>43589686.

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>>43590279

I was thinking about the Delta Yellow stuff people were posting before the last thread archived, but wasn't able to post before due to going mobile.

If you're going to have players discover that they're part of the Imperial Dynasty of America, one thing that does come to mind is that you can really promote some mistrust and intrigue with the use of the family trees. If three of the PCs are apparently in the Dynasty and one isn't, what does that tell them? If only one player is, how will they react? What if they realise that the Dynasty is of course, a family, but that one of the PCs' siblings is on it, but they aren't? And what if they find another historian of the Dynasty that states something different to what they found above.

>>43589686

I think this is really important. The conflict shouldn't be BECAUSE of the Mythos, but the Mythos can be happening alongside it. Say, some Syrian Army officers taking it upon themselves to try to summon up something in the mountains, because of course, they're sensible rational secularists who know it's nothing supernatural. Some idiots in ISIS blowing up a ruin, a la Iconoclasts.

This way, of course, you can fuck with the players by allowing them to team up with ISIS to solve the problem.

>>43591247

I really liked that concept, the infusion of a slow, subtle Carcosa permeation obscured as bureaucracy and " Top Secret stop asking questions just do it" type of thing. How much of it is standard black ops spiel? How much is political shadow plays? How much is enemy action and how much is "ENEMY" action?

>>43590238
Now I'm stuck on YT watching Le Dessous Des Cartes episodes.

>>43591247

The Imperial Dynasty should be first mentioned in your campaign from one unreliable source, preferably a confirmed nut job. Over time drip feed it into background. A sideways reference to families like the Bushes and Clintons are Americans hereditary monarchs.

>>43589832
There also is a Shiite/Sunni crisis in Syria. Traditionally Shiite Islam has been dominated by secular forces while Sunni Islam, although complex, ended up on the fundamentalist side. Then came the Iran crisis with the US backed Shah regime falling to revolution in 1979, and a political form of Shiite Islam has since been the power house in Iran. At the same time political Sunnis have been radicalized under the Saud crown.

The Assad family is of a Shiite subdivision looked down upon by both Shiite and Sunni. But they have been on the axis of empire, first with Iran against Iraq in the 1980s. Then, after the US put the Shiites in power in Baghdad after the second Iraq war, as a Shiite line against Sunni domination. But like Iraq Syria is populated mostly by Sunni. And those are oppressed, economically in Syria, and with open violence in Iraq. Easy prey for militant Saudi recruiters. This is what led to ISIS.

Now ISIS is neither particularly Islamic, nor a functional state. It doesn't have to be. It is just there to destabilize the region politically and soften it up for Turkish or Saudi dominance, both Sunni states (well, Turkey is working hard at becoming one).

The Saudis on the other hand take issue with all the oil fields in the region, from Iran over Iraq all the way down the Saudi coast, are on or near land that is primarily populated by the Shiite minority. A Shiite uprising is possibly the greatest threat for the Saudis, and that is exactly what is happening in Yemen.

So no matter who finds something powerful hidden in an old temple in the desert, be they Shiite (3 major schools), Sunni (4 major schools), Kurd, Druze, Christian, or just poor and oppressed for a Century, they're going to know what to do with that power.

If they're nice they'll just stake a claim and allow no nonsense in their new country. If they're more ambitious then visions of an Islamic empire or the threat of one are not far off. And Israel has troops 50km from Damascus...

>>43600219
>yfw an oppressed Christian finds some powerful Mythos tool and uses it to generate miracles, starting a new Crusade...but at what cost?

But really I just want Crusaders and I don't care how I get them.

>>43601065
y u mad tho

>>43601141
It's virt. It is mad because it has no testes. It has nothing to do with the thread, /tg/, 4chan, or reason.

>>43601201
*yawn

>>43601065
Hey, OP here, started this thread because I like DG. If you don't, cool, whatever, just go find a thread for a game you like and stop pissing on this one.

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>>43600308
We have already established that the Jesus seed is a cyclical Mi-go experiment. Have one planted in the Middle East and watch it all unravel.

>>43602619
The what now?

>>43602733
The genetic experiment that brings forth the Jesus evolution. The Mi-go plant one every few hundred years or so just to see what happens (we hope).

>>43602763
Go on...

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>>43602763
Do God/Jesus exist at all in the Mythos? What warped interpretation do they have?

>>43602890
No, they're just flavoring. You can wonder what matter of omnipotent god would create a universe where Mythos things exist, but there is not official line. Priest characters are a favorite in 1920s CoC.

>>43602890
There is no good or evil.

>>43589686
>>43589742
>>43591247
And then, to fuck with them even more, after they side with ISIS it turns out that al-Baghdadi's mother and grandfather is Nyarlethotep.

>You're napping in a backyard hammock. You awake to find a sparrow perched on you chest. It has a semi-erect human penis.

>>43603108
Check to see if Mr. Bluebird's on my shoulder.

>>43593053

Exactly. Every DG agent wears a mask in the form of false identites. The whole intelligence establishment is a bizarre alien system of disconnected entities interacting with each other in incomprehensible wars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHiqn4z-1Wk

>>43594708

One of the things suggested about the KiY is that the play mostly concerns the political maneouverings of the nobility of Ythill, the emptiness of whose schemings and plottings is shown when the Stranger turns up and wears no mask. So you have a political outsider turning up, acting bizarrely and gaining political power unexpectedly. And in the end refusing to remove his mask.

>>43602890

The Jesus seed the others talked about, Yog-Sothoth and his spawn (“Eh-ya-ya-ya-yahaah—e’yayayayaaaa . . . ngh’aaaaa . . . ngh’aaaa . . . h’yuh . . . h’yuh . . . HELP! HELP! . . . ff—ff—ff—FATHER! FATHER! YOG-SOTHOTH! . . .”), Nyarlathotep, a random crazed desert preacher in ancient Israel... they could be anything.

>>43603757
quick, somebody put the refrain to black hole sun on this in grey comic sans and then post it in the next 55 dg threads

>>43603994
Y'know, I think I liked it better when you just posted shitty unrelated pictures instead of pretending to be virt-lite to justify bumping a nothing thread.

>>43604258
Hey Virt I thought you were banned, buddy? Why still posting? Nobody wants you here!

>>43604252
That shit has got to stop

>>43605033
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>>43597394
It's like a baby crying insults. Quite bizarre, but entertaining.

>>43605033
agreedo

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>>43604252
>Virt contributing
If this isn't a portent of the Apocalypse, I don't know what is.

>>43601301
I don't know if you've seen any of the DG threads for the past month but someone, Virt or not, has been hellbent on trying to shit the threads up as much as possible. It's become painfully obvious whenever he comes in a thread so just report/ignore him.

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>>43605662
Talk about butthurt Tumblrina.

This growth cries on reddit about Obama, on 8chan about people breathing, and here about whatever gets you mad.

Don't reply. Don't get banned. And just report anyone who you think is violating the rules.

>>43605645
Sad thing is, in between his bout of inane trolling and aggressive bullshit, I often agree with him. Just like DG characters encountering a delusional psychopath who has deep Mythos insights.

>>43605757
That's like advertising. Whatever gets you there, he'll try it.

Mostly I think he's just trying to confuse the mods who don't have time to read the whole thread. The more bizarre his posts are, the more likely people are to reply. But he doesn't hold actual opinions, and you're talking to a television if you reply.

>>43605737
>Lazily shitposts and samefags for a bit every thread, successfully riling up one or two anons that aren't used to his shit by now before the janitors clean it up a few hours later and on topic discussion continues
>"You'll never have a peaceful Delta Green thread again"
What does he think he is, a Saturday morning cartoon villain? What a loser.

>>43606773
I have a theory.

He might be such a fanboy of Unknown Armies, he got really weird after while, believing himself to be some kind of Avatar that thrives off of bad karma. This delusion might have taken complete control of his life, accumulating fictitious power by being the biggest dick he can manage as long as it is towards people he will never meet. But really it has driven him to a pitiful existence, wondering each time he meets somebody if that person has identified him and is about get started on leveling the incurred debt.

Then Greg posted on RPGnet about ideas for a relaunch, and virt fixated on it. But now the guys are spending probably over a year on remaking DG. And people are loving it. It's like someone cutting his balls off all over again.

>>43606896
I had a theory in one of the threads last month that Detwiller and company are actually King in Yellow cultists and Virt is a Delta Green agent trying to stop a Carcosa infection by getting threads shut down and failing miserably.

>>43607097
The thing about ideas like this is that they're a hair too plausible

That's how it starts

>>43607768

Rokko's Basilisk as a Hastur event?

>>43589365
REMOVE DERLETH

>>43606896
Just knowing that they won't even be able to think about working on the Unknown Armies reboot until all of the Delta Green material is sent out is enough to make me want to cut my own balls off.

All the experience from the new DG will flow into the new UA.

>>43612345

See, you're trying to apply logic to fanthought and that's just running headlong into Hastur

>>43612345
Do you mean the developer's experience or actual character experience? Because I like to throw hints at connections between the DG and UA universes in my games but that's overdoing it a little.

>>43612345

Just like all the experience from old UA has flowed into new DG. And so the circle continues. A horrible mutually-parasitic circle.of ideas and thought.

>>43613080
Tell me more. Bear in mind I know basically nothing about UA

>>43613779
Just minor bits of crossover, nothing too serious. The DG cell finds an empty McDonald's bag that vibrates or throws a drunk out of a two story window, only to have him walk off with a sprained ankle, the UA cabal gets hunted down by a ruthless group of off-the-books feds. That kind of thing.

>>43613875

The Fate is what happens when Unknown Arrmies leaks into Delta Green. There's a reason the lowest-ranked members of the Fate are called Adepts.

>>43613779
>>43613875
To explain, Unknown Armies has stuff like magic alcoholics and a cult of fast food workers that will spike your burger with bad karma as soon as spit on it. It's a great game that a lot of DG fans seem to also like. Check it out.

>>43613986
Wasn't DG created a few years before Unknown Armies though? So it would be more accurate to say Unknown Armies is "what if The Fate was a setting?"

>>43614035

Huh, I did not realise that. The Fate can, then, be seen as an embryonic bunch of Dukes.

>>43614354
And in a year we'll get the source book for their shenanigans.

>>43615988

I'm really looking forward to that. When I ran DG before, we only barely scratched the surface of the Fate, and I wish we'd done more. Alzis is such a fun character to play with, and I reckon it'll be even more fun to play with his absence. Especially depending on how the whole ghoul civil war in NY ended up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5dt_8xXgqo

After reading a few of these threads, I really want to get into DG. Unfortunately my group at present is into fantasy and 4E and it's hard to get them to budge. Any suggestions?

>>43616382

Khali Ghati, one of the pre-written adventures they've put out, is quite action-heavy and might be a good "way in". DG is called in when one of its intelligence operatives in an Afghanistan FOB goes AWOL. It's kind of an action movie with a lot of set-pieces and not too much investigation beyond "there's a weird mountain, I bet he went to the weird mountain OH SHIT SHOOT THE TALIBAN".

>>43616382

I dunno if you'll be able to convince people if they don't want to play it. Maybe just suggest one of the good one-shots in here as a change of pace one night. Something like Kali Ghati or PX Poker Night.

Something that's simple and gives them a nice mix of action and horror.

>>43616490
>>43616423
Also, I don't know the DG system at all. Once I learn it I'm good at teaching it to other people. Are there any hangups I should be aware of going in? DLing rules now.

>>43616513

No, it's pretty simple actually. Everything works on a percentile system and beyond one memory issue (you have to keep track of how often you get exposed to certain kinds of trauma) it makes a lot of sense. It's basically a streamlined version of CoC with a couple of elements lifted from Trail (to make it a little less clunky and speed up investigation) and the critical rules and rolling mechanic from Eclipse Phase.

>>43616552
...UA madness.

>>43616552
How autistic is it about guns and firefights?

I want it to be autistic

Oh, and I'm an American who's recently moved to Australia. Is there any DG material relating to Australia?

>>43616585

Is that how madness works in UA? I never played it because all I heard from people was "the lore is great, but it doesn't really work as a game"

>>43616615
Altered.

>>43616613

It has a bit of gunporn but in places it does abstract a little with "Kill Damage" to handle things like "yeah, there's no point rolling 10d10 because you hit that guy with a bazooka, he's fucking red mist".

As for Australia, some but not so much. The lore stuff is all for the previous edition, so it's 90's and focuses quite heavily on Americana - mobsters, UFOology and the like. That said, there are adventures and material that refer to outside nations. Australia specifically I'm not sure though.

>>43616613
It is deadly, but not a detailed sim. You get a decent amount of gun fluff, but mechanically there's only a few classes. You can always allow a bonus as handler, but I wouldn't get too distracted by gunplay. Guns suddenly don't help when you're facing a color, a shifting organic mass, or a bug that extends into other dimensions. Nades might, a little. Better bring a flamethrower. But then everyone will be looking at you like a rabid dog, and they will film you with their phones...

The rules are tough. No plot armor. Everyone dies in a round if caught in the crossfire. But they are geared toward quick resolution, not intricacy. It's not rule-of-cool, but it's high pace.

>>43616613

There's no DG material specifically relating to Australia, aside from, I think, one section of one of the books that involved Pnakotus and the City of the Great Race. There's some CoC stuff from the 20's you could repurpose.

>>43616615

The madness system is one of the best things about UA. But it's definitely a really playable game.

>>43616775

Now, that's got me wondering about how feasible it would be to update Masks of Nyarlathotep to the modern age with a DG spin...

>>43616613
There's CoC material: Terror Australis. I think it has a couple of adventures and the Oz section of Masks. It goes into Aboriginals, Dreamlands, and some other stuff. You could easily use it as background/history for a DG scenario in present day... -who's prime minister?

>>43616848

You would probably want to run a game set AFTER the events of Masks, but a kind of shitty running of Masks where a lot of stuff gets left unresolved and so on. The expedition is just a mystery, the cults are still operating and things are coming around again for another great ritual.

>>43616423
Anyone know where I can find this scenario?

>>43616848

It'd need some changing, but it could be doable.

The Carlyle Expedition could easily be an NGO charitable effort. The Cult of the Bloody Tongue in NY might need to be changed a little to maybe fit the different racial mix of immigrants there. The Cult of the Black Pharoah in London would probably fit better as a group more limited to the upper classes, just for lack of exposure. In Egypt, they'd probably be thriving in the chaos there, embedded deep in the Deep State.

The showdown at the Mountain of the Black Wind would probably need to be rewritten, otherwise how'd it remain hidden out there. The Sand Bat cult in Australia probably still works as is. And the Bloated woman cult in Shanghai probably is much more integrated into the local government there.

>>43616957
Unless you were in the KS you'd have to find a pirate. Not sure how watermarked the PDFs are.

>>43617039

>how'd it remain hidden out there

Weird electromagnetism is the excuse used in Khali Ghati for why the titular mountain shows up on no maps. Just apply that to Black Wind.

>>43617060
people can see mountains anon

>>43617266

Sure, but there are still a lot of places in the world people mostly don't go.

The electromagnetism this is mostly to explain why it drones, helicopters etc don't report back to have it mapped out and the mountain itself is in the shittiest parts of Afghanistan surrounded by villagers who just say "yeah, no one goes to that mountain".

>>43617397
I think there should still be some sort of exploration - especially in a place with the US military presence Afghanistan has. Even if it's "British guy climbed part way up in in 1897, Soviet helicopter crashed on it back when they were invading, and now..."

>>43617530
Hm... Black Knight?

>>43617530

Oh yeah, I think this is like a first draft of Khali Ghati with just the skeleton structure, there's no handouts or whatever. But given Afghanistan has been a warzone for basically forever, there's no shortage of opportunity to go like "here's when a bunch of Russians came here and got super-fucked, and then some British guys came and got super-fucked and this one super-extremist Taliban guy is said to have come from the village near the mountain" etc etc.

>>43617635
Are there any gods or things that hate Hindus? Would be neat to tie it in to the name of the range as Hindu-Kush - Killer of Hindus

>>43617659
WTF?

>>43617667
...what? That was the historical name for those mountains. Could be some sort of cool Mythos tie-in about how the entire range is subtly hostile to them for some reason.

>>43605645
i'm not virt

>>43617692
tadtrart acacus

>>43617266

Unless they aren't in Africa at all. What if it's just the entrance to the Mountain of the Black Wind that's accessible from the backwoods of Kenya? Maybe the True Mountain is in the Dreamlands, or Leng. It's just the cult is able to access it by themselves through secret ways and gates. But when it comes to the Grand Ceremony in Masks, the place is somehow much more open, allowing the huge convocation that occurs then.

>>43617659

Someone was telling me the Hindus have a ton of middle fingers to Zoroastrianism is their mythology.

>>43620916
stahp

>>43621526
wut?

>>43616615
I think people say UA isn't playable less because the system is bad, it's very simple, but more because a lot of it is VERY abstract and, from my experience at least, you need to be really creative to write scenarios that keep up with the fluff. It's a weird game and you need to be weird to run it.