Could we have a diorama general? I love these things.
k
>>43581432
Goldeneye?
>>43581432
Derek Meddings is a fucking legend.
>>43580253
Very Metal Slug that pic.
>>43582094
The great weakness of terminator armour. An inability to look up.
>>43582197
Or turn around without spending action points.
>>43582268
Or resist the claws of its most common foe.
>>43582418
are space hulk scenarios that common or were you just talking about the game?
No Eldar rape diorama yet?
My /tg/, how you've grown!
>>43583397
OP here, I was hesitant because I thought that'd be the first thing posted.
>>43583605
Aw shit that brings me back.
RIP Warhammer.
>>43580253
Johnny? Johnny!? JOHHNNNNNYYYYYYY!!
>>43583605
I think everybody knows it's just not worth the shit storm that erupts whenever it gets posted.
>>43582268
Bueno
>>43582111
>fucking moldlines
>>43583801
Why does the officer remind me of Arnold Rimmer?
This one's cool.
Space Afghanistan.
>>43583733
Post it. I dare ya.
(/spoiler) I just want to see it (/spoiler)
>>43584088
/spoiler also the newest of newfags /spoiler
>>43584096
yeah I'll never figure that one out myself
>>43584088
Fucking kids these days.
>>43580253
>>43584172
Man, that table was brill.
>>43584088
>>43584172
>didn't drill the bolters
god DAMMIT
What's with all the 40gay?
based chechenya table
>>43584608
>asking why there is so many 40K posts on /tg/.
>/tg/
Really?
>>43584608
>not even posting a diorama
Surprised I haven't seen this one yet.
>>43584675
Diorama is something I usually associate with historicals.
I guess I'm just surprised 40k Isn't dead yet. one of the most broken and least tactical wargames around
>>43584713
>>43584717
The lore is fun, and dioramas have nothing to do with actual game play.
>>43584717
As awesome as the chechen table is, that's not a diorama. Base rims are shooped out.
What he said:
>>43584740
>>43584717
I think you should take your attempts to shit on 40k to another thread friend.
No point shitting up this one.
>>43584713
literalheresy.jpg
>>43584740
>The lore is fun
If you're a 14 year old, sure
40k is fun as a teenager, but eventually you realize there are games where your tactics matter, and where the factions are balanced.
The fluff and art is decent, but its a very poor game. Tabletop gaming should be all about balanced games where the general with the best tactics wins. Blatant profiteering with "new codex is best so you should buy new models" just doesn't give balanced game play.
Even asymmetrical warfare should be balanced for fun play with the possibility of either side winning.
Have you guys ever played a game of 40k where the balance swings back and forth so wildly that one turn you're certain you're going to win, then a few turns later you're certain you're going to lose, but then a few turns after you actually end up winning? Its games like that that really test your grit as a tabletop general, forced to give the best orders even in a hopeless situation, just in case things go your way. I've never seen a swinging game like that in 40k. usually the overpowered codex or the harder list eventually grinds away the weaker list and it ends in a solid victory or a draw, but with very little swinging backwards and forwards.
>>43585045
Who cares anon?
>>43585045
Are you talking about the rules of a game being bad in a thread about making dioramas? Because dioramas have fuck all to do with rules.
>>43585045
>posts tldr
>has shit taste
>>43585124
>>43585136
>>43585146
>>43585155
>AdMech vs Tau
>>43585155
>Manta
Fucking gg.
>>43585045
>balance
Real war isn't balanced, and good generals fail. The point of games is to be games. Bet you hate FoW too.
>>43585124
>crisis rushing into melee
>>43585248
That's really nice.
>>43585271
>>43585186
>>43585194
>>43585204
>>43585217
>>43585223
>>43585229
Holy shit that is amazing. I would fucking kill to play on a board like that. Jesus. >>43585248
>>43585290
That's actually just a beautiful piece. Damn I wish I could model like this.
>>43585248
The point of games is to have fun. And the best fun is had when either side has a chance of winning. It should be down to your tactics, even in asymmetrical warfare both sides should still have an equal chance.
I always thought FOW was pretty average desu. much better WW2 games out there.
>>43585204
>>43585217
>>43585194
>>43585223
no 40k rts that actually uses the setting in a way not replacable in tabletop
>>43585355
>games have to be a coin flip to be fun
Also, for real, why are you using bad rules as a reason not to have dioramas? Did you stop liking ww2 dioramas because of Flames of War? No. So what are you even on about?
>>43585359
>rts
What? That's one of the dioramas at Warhammer World
>>43585392
You should have stopped responding half an hour ago - yet you persist.
Please stop.
>>43585398
I think he's saying that none of the games made set in the 40k setting couldn't have just been replicated and played in the tabletop.
I think his issue is a lack of intelligent use of the setting/terrain for a 40k game.
>>43585463
They seemed too earnestly dumb to be a troll.
>>43585499
Troll or not if you want to discuss why [insert my favorite game] is better than [insert your favorite game] then piss off to your own thread and stop shitting this one up with your unwarranted and unwanted opinions.
>>43583994
That's a Dewback
Dewbacks are cool
What's not cool is the fact that he hardly masked the fact that it is one
>>43584608
I wish there was a separate 40k board.
>>43582111
What's with the giant green dot on the second last photo?
>>43582142
Where does one get such a model tree?!
>>43582165
Gorkeo! Da un!
Or is it Morkeo?
>>43585537
Not even saying anytihng I like is better, I was actually wondering how they managed to think a dumb thing.
Also, calm the fuck down, I've posted several pics, at this point you're the one shitposting.
>>43585570
>IT'S SO HARD TO NOT OPEN LINKS I DON'T WANT TO. I AM SO FUCKING RETARDED AND MAKE MY LIKE MISERABLE FOR NO REASON.
>>43584713
> "Man I can't wait to spend the next four months making a diorama about fantasy space rape"
macro
old, but good
>>43585570
>I dislike a very popular traditional game on a board for traditional games
>it should be in its own board because seeing it triggers me to the point I am litterally being raped
And then Iyanden got shrekt
>>43584608
You're on the wrong board, please leave
still counts
>>43585740
>all those squigs
>>43585672
And it's just so well done too. That nipple is even painted well. It's just so odd to me. I definitely don't have a clean mind, it's quite perverted, but never in a million years would I decide to make this scene.
Also, why does everyone give Eldar giant breasts? That's a big fat titty and you know they'd have little 6 ouncers. I don't even know if Eldar would breast feed. I suppose they would or they wouldn't have any breasts at all. But, for them to evolve selectively like that, they Eldar wouldn't favour sleek builds universally as it is, or the Eldar would breast feed for an insane number of years by human standards for Eldar to be so obsessed with boobies. Like, 400 years of that shit. Otherwise, if it was like 1 or 2 years of their really long lives they wouldn't really give a shit about breasts like we do. It's just such a small fraction of their life that they have one shoved in their face compared to us.
And now that I have thought way too much about that... I am going to go look at some boobies. Big ones.
>>43585355
Enough of your shitposting in a diaroama thread and where the fuck is that BMP model from
My slavshit boner demands satisfaction
>>43585749
DUDE. That is an amazing idea. Wow. That definitely counts.
>>43585124
>>43585136
>>43585146
Does anyone know what was used for the legs on the four legged sentinels?
>>43585355
We aren't here to talk about games dipshit
We are here to talk about pretty model diorama, and I can flatly say the skulpts of citadel are better than your little green men.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't belong
>>43585753
>>43585045
Why do i know that you never played a real game of 40k in your life?
Yeah Geedubs is shit, big news but if you play 40k for fun and with decent people you will have fun if you like the fluff.
>>43585785
Those are all unique kits, onager dunecrawlers and Ironstriders/Dragoons
>>43585785
Yes, it is model called onager dunecrawler.
>>43585124
>>43585136
>>43585146
>>43585155
>Rever titan crushing a riptide
>Titan maniple three steps away
>Defense line is already overrun
BUT IT'S OKAY GUYS WE'VE GOT THOSE TITAN KILLING STORMSURGES
>>43585824
>>43585582
Probably a contest entry tag?
>>43585790
That, and he sounds pretty childish accusing others doing a very similar thing of being 14 year olds in order to validate his own "childish" pass time. Very mature, Bradley. So 16 years old of you. You tell those 14 year olds.
>>43585863
Now that makes sense, thanks. Faggot.
>>43584625
>>43585716
Jesus H Fuck. I know, "GW is expensive" and all, but this table is something approaching the cost of my goddamn CAR.
>>43585805
>>43585808
Thanks! Been mostly out of 40k loop since around 4e but I still have dreams of redesigning my IG.
>>43585955
yeah, kinda expensive, atleast for porn
>>43585885
<3
>>43585955
I suppose, but then again, I imagine someone like this knows how to cast and is really good at it. And you can't drive a car around your basement, especially when the floor is covered with all those models. ZING!
>>43585716
The parade army alone in that thing is 4100 dollars worth of models.
Not counting terrain or the guys off on the right side, just the parade formations.
Before tax.
>>43586285
>The parade army alone in that thing is 4100 dollars worth of models.
That is actually much, much lower than I thought it would be.
>>43586292
That's not counting all the defenses, the Valkyrie, terrain or any of the paints and such.
Still a bit rich for my taste.
>>43586285
Based Chinaman would do it for a couple hundred faggot!
>>43586433
>>43586441
>>43585991
That's another diorama from Warhammer World.
>>43584212
its really well painted, but theres way too much of a style difference between the dark eldar and the guarsmen to really mesh together well
>>43585832
Wow, using that black wool/fluff as smoke was a brilliant touch. I wonder what they made the blue plasma flumes out of?
>>43585790
I played orks back in 3rd and 4th edition, then played nids through 5th and 6th edition. Trust me I've played plenty of 40k, which is why I can judge it so harshly compared to other games. How many properly balanced historical games have you played?
>>43585392
Tactics have nothing to do with coin flips friend. Both forces should be even at the start of the game, but only the best tactics will win.
Luck is always going to be a factor if you use dice, but even luck should be out shadowed by excellent generalship.
Its sad that one of the most important features of tabletop warfare - tactics - aren't the single most important factor to winning in many games. poorly balanced systems make victory or defeat certain without any tabletop maneuvering needed.
>>43585762
possibly red star miniatures
>>43585788
I guess 40k is pretty popular and mainstream so I shouldn't be too surprised its the vast majority of dioramas ITT
>>43582197
What do you expect, the faces are dogs. And everyone knows dogs can't look up.
>>43582197
Terminators have sensors all over body.
>>43586693
>How many properly balanced historical games have you played?
One could say a properly balanced historical game is not balanced at all - but rather tries to reflect the actual capabilities of the historical forces relative to each other. Therefore one side is often screwed right from the start when faced with a numerically and qualitatively superior enemy. The imbalance is often what makes historicals fun.
>>43586724
Underrated post!
>>43586870
asymmetrical isn't the same as balanced.
you can be outnumbered with inferior equipment and still have a chance of winning if your tactics are excellent and the system is balanced.
I personally prefer games that use realistic unit capabilities, combined with a points system that allows even battles every time. That way its maximum fun for both sides, and maximum challenge for both generals, knowing that only their decisions will effect the outcome of the battle.
You can still play historical games without re-creating exact battles (where often one side is fucked from the get go, usually because of the strategic moves that lead up to that battle)
If you combine strategy into your wargames, having a campaign map for example, that's where the best times of wargaming is to be had: where strategy and tactics are brought together into a single game.
The total war series are a good vidya example of this, but few tabletop games give you this combination.
Some of my best memories are 4 player grand campaigns in our WW2 system. Lasting multiple weeks and using a europe / north africa campaign map. We had a German, British, Soviet and US forces, all starting with even points, but able to capture production centers on the map and produce more each turn. Good times.
>>43585672
>>43585754
yeah I have no idea how someone powered through that, it's so well done but just thinking about it makes me really sad
>>43584106
Press CTRL + S, then write in between it. Not hard, friend.
>>43587204
Yesss
>>43585672
>>43585754
>>43587187
>implying it was a rape diorama
>>43585749
Superior camouflage.
>>43584573
this shit gave me chills
>>43585045
>Have you guys ever played a game of 40k where the balance swings back and forth so wildly that one turn you're certain you're going to win, then a few turns later you're certain you're going to lose, but then a few turns after you actually end up winning?
Yes, my last 10-ish games have been like that because I don't play against scrubs or in a GW store.
On-topic: thinking about making a Dark Mechanicum diorama/display board/carrying table to use a Chinaman Decimator I fucked up by gluing the legs on in a retarded pose (tried breaking up the glue through freezing it, soaking in simple green for a month, etc. but it just doesnt let go). Wish me luck.
>>43587193
I fucking love the staff workers shackled to their posts.
>>43585749
That's....a nice wall
Guys what am I suppose to be looking at ?
>>43586321
>>43586292
Pretty certain the first step in planning something like that is to master recasting.
>>43587512
Jesus Christ, that's insanely good. I thought first picture was CGI.
>>43585725
40k is in the same situation as MLP, should get the same treatment.
>>43585115
>dat termi techmarine
oh my
>>43587198
The champion. Every time that expression gets me.
>>43587436
...Sly?
>>43587187
Probably spanking it furiously the whole time. Helps the blends I'd think, to get the back and forth of the brush so fast.
>>43585570
>>43588430
You do know that /tg/ was created for WH40K, right?
>>43588532
I do. So? 4chan was made for chinese cartoons, and yet it got multiple boards for other shit now, past is just that- past.
>>43588550
What I mean is that /tg/ is already 40K's /mlp/, it just has other stuff allowed on it.
>>43588550
Yet you've not named this mysterious game that is objectively better than 40k and historical and !notFOW.
I hate to be the first to tell you, but Warmachine isn't historical.
>>43588565
4chan is basically /a/ with other stuff allowed on it so I'm not sure what you're inferring.
>>43587272
>>43587277
That is awesome. Ths suit, the WALL
I like it
>>43588550
Anon, /tg/ was the /mlp/ for 40k before /mlp/ was a thing.
>>43587524
silly sculpter.
we all know white scars don't use dreadnoughts
>>43588550
Go back to reddit, please
>>43585045
>no tire marks behind that bike
Did it fly there?
>>43588679
That one makes me sad. The little girls about to get splattered.
>>43588772
That's what they get for holding their gun sideways.
>>43583801
awesome
>>43583637
Seriously, the dioramas of fantasy and 40k were my favorite bit of the hobby. My dad got me the giant catalogue on one of his work trips and I just loved looking at all the crazy retro dioramas.
>>43586465
You don't see it from this far out, but the middle company all have their heads turned towards the general up on his podium. It's a nice touch.
>>43587537
>Brother-Captain Murphy, Lord of Mars!
![Afigpref3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/o5zgmwP.jpg "Afigpref3[1].jpg")
J. Bonamant Teboul, the man that likes nothing more than painting flags and carpets.
>>43587695
Well done and very nice '20s aesthetics.
>>43585204
Those are some big ass buildings.
>>43586386
Does she have waist.
Or am i too easily percieved by optical illusion?
>>43585712
This was one of the first I had seen that got me into dioramas. It looks a lot better than the newer version imo.
>>43582165
>>43585594
"I need dakka... lotsa dakka."
>>43584717
So? You put some magical person restriction things to feel superior. Your snobbery drips thick from your lip. Personally, people who make historical miniatures and dioramas are the bottom of the nerd barrel. So either my point is invalid and thus do is yours, OR you're just a huge snob loser that does nerdy shit and needs to valid himself by shitting on others doing virtually the same thing when you get down to it. So, really, I guess you're a shithead regardless.
>>43582208
Haha, that's excellent.
>>43587969
One time I was playing a small kill team-ish game with my marines, brother's eldar rangers against friend's tau. In the end I had one marine left and my brother turned on me after fighting through a whole ship of tau when we came to face the battlesuit commander, he shot at the marine who somehow dodged, cut the ranger down with his sword, then the battlesuit nearly killed him but he dodged that too, and he one-shot it with a bolt pistol. We lost our shit.
>>43589675
Sounds like someone got promoted.
>>43585832
COMMANDER PUNCH!
>>43588417
Is it... Daniel Craig?
My favourite
>>43592082
I like it.
>>43585248
>Real war isn't balanced
this isn't real war, it's a game
>>43587524
pomf
someone post Perry's Agincourt
>>43586693
>played nids through 5th and 6th edition
No wonder you've never seen a balanced game of 40k, m8.
I can honestly say that friendly games can be pretty balanced these days as long as people aren't dicks.
>>43589217
The mold line blocks the light, and coupled with the light on her uniform's rear half and the white around it's easy to think she's got no waist, but she does.
>>43590001
He did. Added him to my sanguinary guard.
>>43592082
Retro 40k/fantasy dioramas from the 90's and 80's are the best.
>>43595806
Isn't that just further proof 40k is unbalanced?
you should be able to choose whichever army you like the fluff of or the models of and still have a decent chance of winning games.
Also I had great success with my nids, could easily rape most armies except demons of chaos (who out fought nids in combat). This was back when you could make all your monstrous creatures regenerate, and zoanthropes had 2+ saves and 5+ ward saves, and used in pairs could annihilate any vehicle with warp blasts.
>>43596286
It's not really a mold line but the hard edged shadow from her right arm. It probably could have used a fill light or something to help it read better. Or reduce the intensity of the main light..
>>43602557
Your definition of balancing seems to be slightly skewed towards the "everyone is equal" sorta archetype.
Unfortunately, balancing often doesn't work that way, much like actual combat; if I choose to use a mechanized force, I will sure as hell lose to aerial forces or guerillas with AT-weapons.
Take Orks for an example; they're basic unit can get 120 attacks on the charge, which means they can pretty much wreck MEQs and obliterate GEQs.
Against certain armies, Orks are good.
Against gunlines? Yeah, no.
Balancing in 40k isn't "I should be able to play any force against any force," it's "Every army plays differently against the other armies and I need to change my tactics to accommodate that fact."
It always amuses me when people complain abut balancing in 40k; sure, plenty of units are cheese these days, but most of the time it's just people complaining that their army doesn't work as well against this army or that army. These same people throw the same rough draft of an army against the enemy force and wonder why they lose.
>>43601660
how the fuck do you get people to play kill team with you, I dont play 40k often and i really dont want a huge army and everyone else i known just wants to play like 2000 points or 1830 point games
>>43602755
there is no balance in 40k. Its quite easy to make all armies balanced so that any force has a chance against any other force, but it requires writing all the codexes at the same time, and playtesting them all together.
Points systems are a way of balance things, but even with even points, 40k suffers the "X codex will always rape Y codex because its newer and more overpowered"
I appreciate every army plays differently, but you should still have even chances in a battle otherwise what's the point? It should be down to tactics. 40k sorely lacks in tactics compared to other games, its just a fact. Tabletop wargames should reward you for making great moves and making advantage of terrain, or taking advantage of enemy mistakes or weak points.
If the battle is lost before it even begins (like orks vs a gun line in your example) what's the point of playing?
It wouldn't take much to balance, but I couldn't really care less as I play better systems.
Its the way they release new codexes that seems to be the main problem, there's never a playtest of all codexes at the same time to balance the lot.
Like I said I was very successful with my nids, and wrote some solid lists and played against national tournament winners regularly giving them a good run for their money, but the game is inherently unbalanced, no matter how hard your list is.
Wargames should be about 2 generals going head to head with roughly even forces, and their tactics win or lose the game. 40k just lacks that basic premise of tabletop wargaming. Its fine for teenagers getting into the hobby, and I've had some great times playing 40k and fantasy (which was a far superior system where tactics and maneuvering actually mattered), but as a tabletop game its pretty average.
>>43583801
what moldlines?
>>43603161
lasgun strap
>>43603334
Are you sure that's not the corner of the boxy shape of the rifle? The strap is black and starts at the base of the bayonet rail.
>>43603843
im talking about (and i think the other anon is as well)
this post >>43582111
>>43603884
NM then. I got it confused with the pic you attached
>>43585754
Yeah, thinking way too much about this, senpai. If anything the modeller probably just repurposed a female guardian or DE wytch torso and shaved it down a bit before painting over it.
>>43587198
>>43588452
My favourite is the standard bearer getting poked in the eye.
>>43603019
>If the battle is lost before it even begins (like orks vs a gun line in your example) what's the point of playing?
It's still fun to try, m8.
I used Orks specifically because there's always a chance the Ork wins somehow.
>Its the way they release new codexes that seems to be the main problem
This is correct, though. It's mainly to drive sales, I believe, but it screws over a lot of things.
>Its fine for teenagers getting into the hobby
This doesn't really need to be said, though; I understand what you mean, but it comes off as condescending and overly pretentious especially when coupled with " I couldn't really care less as I play better systems."
You present a good argument, but you also seem slightly biased at this point.
40k is still about 2 commanders going head to head with roughly even forces, and maneuvering is important, esp. for some forces, but you seem to think that every force should play well against every force, which is just statistically improbable without every army being vanilla.
The Orks vs Gunline situation above is very one-sided, but what about Speed Kult vs Gunline? That's a far more even match.
As I said before, the game is balanced in that each army has options, or "tactics," as you keep referring to them.
In conclusion, the battle is only lost before it even begins if you're not flexible; much like actual combat, intel will allow you to cater your forces to be more effective against the enemies they face.
As a side note, 30k is well-balanced, but this is because the majority of the forces are Marines with different benefits.
>>43603019
>Its quite easy to make all armies balanced so that any force has a chance against any other force, but it requires writing all the codexes at the same time, and playtesting them all together.
No, it fundamentally isn't without massive restrictions on variety. A aircraft heavy army will have a huge advantage over an army with little or no anti-air, for example. That's just how it is.
Too many people seem to think they should be able to select whatever units they want and have an equal chance against any army they come up against - it's pure nonsense.
>>43602557
>>43602755
>>43602848
>>43603019
>>43605369
>>43605603
Wow, surely a lot of interesting diorama-related discussion is going on here.
>>43585104
Thats pretty sweet
>>43606176
Here is a couple of videos for this diorama, showing its turning mechanism and music it plays while doing so. This diorama is a fantastic piece of art.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nX4lRNUBSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7GYwaijM1I
>>43606557
That's amazing, I didn't get why it was posted before as it looks a bit shit if you don't know it does that.
>>43584717
Sorry that 40k is too busy being fun to be tacticool and realistic.
>>43599629
This reminds me of that dawn of war dark crusade cinematic.
>>43585955
The guy that painted that didn't drive many places anyway due to all the painting he was doing
>>43585157
I concur.
>>43585749
A bulkhead on it's own isn't a diorama anon.
>>43585672
>>43585672
>>43587187
Always cracks me up. Dioramas of the wildest atrocities are fair game but a subtle representation of rape causes outrage. Talk about double standards.
>>43585045
Thanks for trying man. Remember you are posting on sperglord central here.
>>43610718
I think that really it's just a very effective piece of art on a very emotive subject that's far less desensitised than straight-up violence.
Most of the violence-based stuff has a significant cartoony glorification to it that lends itself well to just being ignored in favour of appreciating the technical aspects. Sometime you get a thing that is fairly horrific, but it's rare. Like the frog swordfight isn't disturbing, it's comical.
The Eldar rape thing is far more distinctly unpleasant for being subtle, which is it's greatest strength. It leads you to not just look at the technical aspects and dismiss the subject matter for having seen countless times before, but to think and draw the conclusion of what's going on.
>>43611527
That was a day ago. Drop it.
