>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
>oh by the way there is a murderous thieves guild operating near the docks
Why do GMs do this? No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded
>>43471545
>thieves guild
>following the law
>not having a way of smuggling weapons in
>>43471545
Solution: Join thieves guild since they obviously have paid the city guard or similar city official to operate there.
Would you like your milk bottle warmed as well master, Anon?
>>43471545
because DM's never heard of peace wrapping ones weapons before, which is perfectly acceptable when in towns and cities?
>>43471545
>>43471545
>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
This is a very good way to either make the players avoid that city even if the main plot leads them there, or get them to murder guards and poorly disguise themselves to get in.
PCs will never voluntarily give up their equipment because years, if not decades of experience with both tabletop and videogames have taught them that any time someone takes your weapons from you, you'll be ambushed or led into a trap not even minutes later.
>>43471629
What is that? google turns up nothing.
>>43471674
some autistic shit he just made up
>>43471674
They tie weapons up with one of those terrible zip ties whenever you go to a Renaissance fair.
>>43471629
>peace wrapping
That's a fucking convention and larping rule, not a historical practice
>>43471674
Essentially you wrap your weapons in cloth in such a way that it is hard to bring them out of their sheaths, it's perfectly acceptable way of making sure peoe just do straight up kill people, but also requires a level of abiding by the law.
>>43471742
>autistic spastic can't even fucking type
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=peace%20knot
>>43471545
>Chicago
>ONLY POLICE OFFICERS ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY WEAPONS IN THIS CITY
>oh by the way we are absolutely swamped with murderous gangs who commit senseless violence literally 24/7
it's more realistic than you might think.
>>43471777
Such nice trips wasted on falling for the bait.
>>43471766
>Ah, a wizard are you? Stand still then, we'll need to knot your mind before allowing you entry.
>>43471777
Doesn't that violate the constituion?
>Implying I can't murder people with my bare hands
kek
>>43471867
not until heller vs dc in 2008 when the supreme court finally ruled that the 2nd amendment does protect firearm ownership as an individual right. before then many states believed it was just about militias and had very strict laws that made gun ownership impractical or outright impossible.
>>43471545
>Criminals rampant through the city
>Gee, why wouldn't they let this group of unwashed savages in bloodied armour in with their weapons?
>Can bulldoze through buildings and shoot lasers
Sure bub you can have my sword and shield
>>43471545
>no weapons allowed
>monks fw
>>43472023
Son of a bitch.
>>43471856
That's why your wizard should carry weapon - so he can give it to guards.
What about a city of Monks, or Magic users?
Now that you mention it, I'd love a city of monks.
>>43471738
guess what
dragons, magic and goblins ain't historical either.
>>43471545
obligatory joke
>>43471816
>>43471777
It's sad how correct both of you are.
Anywho, as someone who just moved FROM a "gun free zone" to a "Free guns zone", I see way more humor in this then I should.
>>43472099
>No weapons allowed! In this town...
>WE SETTLE THINGS
>WITH OUR FISTS
>>43471545
>What is most of Europe.
>>43472023
>>43472039
>>43472099
>No weapons allowed
>no armor allowed
>no spell component pouches allowed
>Monk's face when he is suddenly the most powerful motherfucker in the land because none of his abilities are based on any material thing
>>43472982
>>43471545
>>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
>>oh by the way there is a murderous thieves guild operating near the docks
Literally every major medieval European city.
High-ranking individuals might get a pass though.
>>43471545
>not using the thieves guild to smuggle your weapons in
>not murdering them afterwards for XP and bounty
>>43472161
...Actually they are.
Dragons, magic and goblins seemed like the natural order to a lot of people. They may not be 'real' but the impact these things have had on history is staggering.
People legitimately feared or believed in those things so much that they had people had to be systematically murdered just to make them shut up about it.
>>43472039
>>43472023
>>43472982
>doing a game where players are visiting an old criminal boss and have to turn in their weapons
>as they're being led through the monk says "My hands are my weapons."
>they put his hands in oven mitts and thank him for being honest
I mean, what did he expect.
>>43471545
I pimp into the city with my gardening tool, and start cleaving heads from necks.
>>43473373
Good thing my barbarian is only using a modified large scythe!
>>43471545
>>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
Canada.
And they call them cops just like the states.
>>43473355
>make the monk player wear sock'em boppers during the city arc
>>43473422
Isn't that the country above us with the mounted police known for brutality and a citizenry known for being french assholes or socialists?
I don't go to Canada much.
>>43473355
I want to know if this is a setting where monks fighting unarmed and succeeding against armed opponents as a matter of course is a known thing...
I don't know whether it's funnier if it is and he was stupid enough to share, or it isn't, but they take him seriously anyway.
I once tanked an entire fucking game because a town militia asked us to disarm when they ran across us in the middle of the woods and I refused.
Then later the DM was baffled as to why I was apparently hellbent on ruining his game.
>Players hellbent and refusing to give up weapons to legitimate authorities
>you can have my Intelligent +3 Keen Speed Longsword when you pry it from my cold, dead hands
>sword control = gun control
>>43471545
This is why I make all of my medieval/fantasy characters Noble-Born.
"Sir we need to take your weapons."
"Is you father the Baron (X)?"
"No."
"Then fuckoff."
>>43473578
...Why were you hellbent on ruining his game?
>>43473697
If such a trivial matter ruined a game I call into question the GM's actul skill at running a game. Also I question the guards jurisdiction in said matter.
>>43473697
Probably because it was in the middle of nowhere and not the militia's town?
>>43473697
You know the really funny part? It was a 3.5 game and I was a druid, so it's not like I even needed a weapon. It was just the principle of the thing.
>>43473578
I sense that we are not getting the full story from 'this guy'
>>43473636
>you can have my Intelligent +3 Keen Speed Longsword when you pry it from my cold, dead hands
This actually seems reasonable. That's a powerful magical item, man.
>>43471545
>No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded
Toyotomi Hideyoshi did this to every peasant in Japan, and apparently, it was quite effective. Of course, that's because it's purpose of such a policy is to suppress revolts, not protect peasantry you dumbass.
>the murderous thieves' only weapons are their perfectly honed martial arts>and their battle mecha
>>43472982
And on that day, soul knife was only slightly shitty.
>>43471777
>Australia
>Only police are allowed to have guns unless you jump through a dozen hoops red-taped shut.
>Oh, by the way we have one of the lowest homocide rates in the world and no mass shootings since gun control came into effect.
>>43471951
>before then many states believed it was just about militias
oh, you mean exactly as it says in the amendment in question?
>>43471856
What kind of wizard isn't carrying at least a backup knife.
>>43475112
Who would trust the statistics of a nation of criminals?
>>43475112
Australia had crazy Japanese yakuzas using nerve gas in the Outback during the 80s and thousands of poisonous animals, I'm not going anywhere near that place without a gun.
>>43474936
>>43475113
This isn't /K/ but as they would say:
"Shall not be infringed".
Seriously they can post those words separately across different anons with the efficiency of a German train station.
>>43475112
Didn't some guy shoot up a coffee shop this past year?
>>43475112
>instead, our criminals through deadly spiders and snakes at each other
>>43471545
As a player I'd say the fuck the city they can revel in all the crime they want and then move onto the next town.
The guards are probably in league with the thieves guild anyway.
That's why my sorceress carries several arcane foci on her disguised as jewellery.
The large crystal embedded in her staff and her wand are hard to miss but the several rings, the ruby necklace, the tiara, earrings and even the small bag of gemstones all look utterly innocuous and taking them away would look suspiciously like robbing a rich lady.
>>43475194
/k/ here, heard someone talkin shit about 2A like I wouldnt find out
>>43475113
>A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRONGED.
it's 26 words nigga. now I know old english is difficult sometimes, but some of the smartest people in this country have gone over it and decided the first bit is simply a prefatory clause. Let's take that same basic format and apply it to something else
>A well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a health day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
Now who has the right to keep and eat food? "the people", or "A well balanced breakfast?
>>43475201
Australia has really bad coffee.
>>43475280
>Ma'am as a representative of Dwarven law I must ask you to hand over your highly visible valuable, else the insane lust for gold of our race by incensed by them in our pleasant city streets
>>43475289
>some of the smartest people in this country have gone over it and decided the first bit is simply a prefatory clause
If by "smartnest" you mean "most butt-fucked by the gun lobby" sure
>>43475169
>implying you could actually shoot a funnelweb spider
>>43475201
>>43475201
Less than 20% of australian homicides involve firearms. And there are only a few hundred total homicides per year.
>>43475343
Stop trying to appeal to them with logic. Gunfaggotry is a terminal disease.
>>43473855
>You know the really funny part? It was a 3.5 game and I was a druid, so it's not like I even needed a weapon. It was just the principle of the thing.
>>43475201
Held up at gun point.
Only two of the hostages got killed and that was in the crossfire between the police.
And I must stress this, this was the first event of it's kind in close to twenty years.
Nearly twenty years without a major incident when Australia used to have more and grander mass shootings then America.And now several politicians want to change the law to make getting guns easier.
>>43475289
False equivalence though, a militia is built of the people who have that right in that formation and group, a breakfast isn't built out of people. And to that respect just as many smart people have gone over it and analyzed the intent of that writing and come up with the exact opposite interpretation
>>43475289
>INFRONGED.
Hmm.
The Supreme Court did rule that regulation of firearms in no way breaches the Second, though.
>>43475299
Actually the store was targeted because it was across the road from a news station.
He originally wanted to target the news station itself but realised at the last minute there would be security personal present.
Besides, Australia has great coffee.
I don't understand America.
most nations, when they have a potentially damaging, ancient law written from a completely diferent time and culture, tend to go about and change it.
America enshrines it and threatens to use leathal force if someone has the audacity to suggest it's why schools are being regularly depleted of students.
>>43475681
It's almost like there's more complicated sociopolitical factors at work and you're drastically oversimplifying the issue at hand or something.
But nah, must just be something in the water. Silly muricans.
>>43473721
I mean, the GM really should have planned for him saying no. On the other hand, >>43473918
>>43475289
The fact that Americans treat their centuries-old constitution like a goddamn holy book, quibbling over the wording of long-dead men instead of just deciding on what serves the needs of society and its people NOW, is the weirdest fucking thing to me. It's like a legal theocracy.
>>43475280
"Would you take an old man's walking stick?" indeed.
>>43471545
>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
>oh by the way there is a murderous thieves guild operating near the docks
What is Chicago?
>>43476084
thread already went that direction and flushed down the shit hole m8. abandon ship or get caught in the shit posting
>>43476038
The fact that you don't realize that the battle over the interpretation of the founders' words is merely a proxy value for competing modern values is pretty weird to me too.
>>43476136
Maybe he's legitimately asking what Chicago is?
>>43476157
The fact that he called it "legal theocracy" indicates to me that he realizes exactly that
>>43476281
If he realizes it, then the entire issue would not seem very strange at all, because people arguing over competing values is quite common. It seems like he'd rather pretend Americans are just operating off some sort of alien psychology rather than operating in much the same way people have throughout all of history.
Alternatively, he could be posturing in order to appear to be superior to a conflict he fully well understands, but I think it'd be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume ignorance rather than a childish sense of self-aggrandizement.
>>43475289
infronged is my new favorite word.
>>43476513
I can't wait to have an NPC bust out "YOU'RE INFRONGING MY ROIGHTS"
>>43476038
Because America's history is so tied to gun violence it's not even funny.
Gun violence made us our own nation.
Gun violence kept our nation together.
Gun violence expanded our borders.
We used gun violence to help bring an end to tyranny.
We used gun violence to enforce and protect our national interests.
Guns have been used throughout our history for hunting, for law enforcement, for competition.
To eliminate the 2nd Amendment is to drastically change who we are as a people. For every loud mouthed person shouting that America doesn't need guns anymore, there are ten more for whom hunting or competition/recreational shooting is a way of life.
Combine that with a generation of disgruntled veterans coming home to a country that is ambivalent about them at best and hates them at worst. Every guy I know who's gotten out has purchased their own AR and tooled it up for gunfighting, myself included.
The surge in AR type rifles being purchased across the country due to manufacturers building parts and accessories for them because of 15 years of war?
We'll always have guns. The individuals and groups that are against gun ownership can scream as loud as they want.
We'll always have guns. Nothing will ever change that.
>my wood furniture deer rifle has more killing power
>than my scary high capacity military baby-killing black rifle
>>43473355
But he lied.
Any free appendage may be used for an unarmed strike. This includes head, fists, elbows, knees, and feet. (Also tail, tentacles, and wings if inhuman.) The only unarmed monk is a sleeping monk. And even then, there's probably a feat for that.
>>43476901
I would like to see a feat for sleepwalking combat.
>>43476038
>just deciding on what serves the needs of society and its people NOW
It's called the amendment process, it's not exactly impossible, just difficult. Which is a good thing. We have a tendency to want extreme solutions to current problems, which might solve the current problem, but could also present problems down the road. So it's best that we only do amendments to the constitution when we're really positootly sure most people want it.
If for example, there was a large consensus that the 2nd A wasn't necessary anymore, then we could ditch it or rewrite it with a new amendment.
>>43477368
This.
Because America already went through the 18th amendment and learned the hard way why always following public opinion will lead to some unittended consequences.
>>43476849
This.
>Violent crime dropping like a stone across the country
>Assault Weapons ban literally accomplishes nothing
>Homicide at an all-time low
>Gun carry rights at a century high
>This trend is showing no sign of stopping whatsoever
>A bunch of rednecks with guns humiliate the BLM for trying to steal farmers' cattle
>Now, of ALL times, is the time to strip away the 2nd Amendment Rights of the American people because "y-you d-don't NEED an assault rifle!"
It's really baffling to me that these people exist. You'd think folks would've gotten over trying to restrict the personal liberties of other people by now.
>>43477594
They're armchair despots, the only thing that brings them joy in life is trying to "fix" everyone else in the world while their own problems spiral out of control and eventually lead to their suicide.
>Why do GMs do this? No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded
What about Chicago? or New York? or the entire fucking country of Mexico?
Why can't the justification "it's a hobby" be enough?
Realistically speaking, arguments for self defense, or a last defense against tyranny are overly cautious at best, and delusional at worst. I feel like most people own guns because they like to collect/hunt/range shoot. Can't we all agree those are basically harmless hobbies?
As a side note, I'm sure there are some people who actually need guns for self defense, but is that really representative of gun owners?
>>43477594
I want to say that is a divide between the urban and the rural, bit then you have cities out in the Western US that love guns.
I don't own a gun myself for a couple reasons, but I don't want anyone taking away my right to own one if I choose to.l in the future.
>>43477759
Because it's not possible to differentiate between someone who wants a gun for a hobby and someone who wants for more nefarious reasons.
>>43477594
>Bundy Ranch
Oh God yes
>BLM, an unelected government agency formed to resolve territorial lands between states, uses its authority to nationalize a bunch of grazeland
>Tells farmers who have been there for 120 years to stop being there because according to a study that nobody actually took a species of non-endangered turtle is threatened there
>By the way the Senate Majority Leader's nephew runs an energy company and wants to buy the land but the farmers haven't been selling
>Totally unrelated though ;^)
>Farmers tell them to eat shit
>BLM literally sends in jackbooted thugs to confiscate cattle
>Thousands of rednecks with machineguns show up and force the fascists to give the cattle back at gunpoint or they'll fucking murder them
>BLM rolls over like the faggot bitches that they are
>Literally go home crying to the government for help
>Government is afraid of starting a civil war, doesn't do shit
>Obama stutters and mills around mumbling something about the danger of violent Americans while Baltimore burns to the ground in an orgy of basketball practice
>Gun sales skyrocket
>Suddenly school shootings are an 'epidemic'
>Sovereign citizens are now rated as a greater threat to the American people than ISIS
>Gun sales skyrocket more
>Entire American Left on suicide watch
>Thankfully can't commit suicide because they don't own guns
>>43477822
What about people who want to learn karate for nefarious reasons?
>>43477594
Well, it wouldn't be the first time an amendment was changed.
Otherwise alcohol would still be illegal.
>>43477445
It really is astonishing how many people must have passionately cared about prohibition in order to get the momentum for a constitutional amendment. Only for it immediately not fucking matter at all.
>>43471545
>ONLY GUARDS ARE ALLOWED TO BRING WEAPONS INTO THE CITY
This is worth doing just to see how the party reacts. I've had a lot of fun with towns or villages outright banning weaponry and spell books because they've had incidents with adventurers before.
Usually the town winds up finding their policy justified, as the party almost inevitably gets into a fight where villagers die. Players rarely think about incidental damage when throwing projectiles and spells around.
>>43477866
It was called Suffrage.
>>43476849
As an aside: Can you explain the big opposition to stuff like Background Checks and Mandatory waiting times?
Those sorts of things are applied to a LOT of stuff. Not arguing for no guns...just wondering why it's opposed to have any sort of control on par with say...motor vehicles. Where you need a licence and the government has records of that stuff so they can identify stuff in case of an accident/vehicular homicide.
>>43477840
I want you to ask yourself if, in your heart of hearts, you really think this is an applicable question and a case of true equivalence. Remember you're arguing with someone on the internet, and that 'winning the debate' isn't going to get you any accolades, change any minds, or significantly impact the real world. Just take a moment to think about it, please.
Have a good night, anon.
>>43476901
>Fearing monks
>Not have 2d10 Prepared fireblasts and flying + wall of force
LMAO@u
>>43477934
It's was more a mix of the temperance movements, patriotism, and xenophobia that passed prohibition.
The 19th admendment was suffrage.
>>43477732
>Chicago
Corrupt. Also known as Chiraq due to murder rates.
> New York
Corrupt, run by small city. Still has violent crime. Former Mayor who pushed gun laws has more armed guards than any other mayor much less former mayor.
> Mexico
Gee wiz that lack of guns sure helps protect those cattle ranchers against those heavily armed cartels some of which were armed by anti gun us officials for contriversial reasons.
>>43477822
Everyone deserves the right to self defense anon. Best way to protect yourself against a mad man with a gun is also a gun.
>>43477885
Am I allowed to detect good on every guardsman in town and every politician in the city to determine if they are evil and deserving of smiting? Cause I am going to do that.
>>43477866
>>43477843
>>43478007
Missouri here. Reminder that Kansas is the prime evil of all states. Kansas hates fun, booze and wants you to never have a good time. Proof: caused prohibition to happen due to being the region where the temperance movement started.
On a game note I would go to a different village or stay outside of town. I am not going to be ass deep in assassins due to some dumb ass GM deciding to play political agenda in a gaming campaign.
>>43477944
Not everyone is opposed to those things, but many are for a few reasons. Most of them boil down to the cake metaphor.
You have a cake. It's called the 2nd Amendment. It clearly outlines that you can own guns.
Then someone comes and demands the cake from you. You say no. They say "fine, let's compromise," and they take half of your cake.
Then a few weeks later they come back and demand the rest. You say now. They say "fine, let's compromise," and take half of what remains.
This repeats itself until you are left with a very small slice of your cake. Now you can't import guns from other countries, there are fines attached to everything, you can't own some guns because they look scary (not because they're more dangerous, they just look scary) and now the guy wants to also let the government check your history, which of course you have to pay for, and wants to make you wait a week to buy it.
How many pieces of your cake is this asshole entitled to? Why are you forced to "compromise" when you've already compromised away nine tenths of your cake? They can't even prove that these things have a meaningful effect on violent crime, New York spent millions on a gun-registry complete with bullets for cross-referencing against criminals, and it didn't catch ONE person. Not even one.
Every compromise is just another infringement upon rights that you were guaranteed by the document that grants the State its legitimacy. Why stand for them? They're not making anyone safer, they're not making anyone's lives better, they're just costing you money and making your life harder.
>>43473355
We actually gave our monk a knife just so he had something to visibly disarm as a sign of peace. Just walking into a place with his hands held up, people kept assuming he had a hidden weapon (which I suppose he technically did) or were immediately wary of spell shenanigans.
>>43478049
...that metaphor really doesn't' feel like it works when it's not taking your cake away to make you wait a few days for your cake to make sure you don't have a history of smothering people with cake.
It might work for restricting gun TYPES but I don't think I've ever heard someone call for people to un-restrict access to Vehicle-Mounted weapons and LAWs.
It just feels to go 'Guns should be immune to any regulation with put on Cars or Working With Children'
>>43478049
>That trigger discipline
Unless he is literally in the process of killing that woman, that man should be fired.
>>43477944
waiting times will never stop a single murder, but they've gotten people killed before.
fact it, a murderous person who gets told "no guns4u" while they've got a murdermind going "in the heat of passion" or whatever is just gonna go home and beat/stab their girlfriend to death anyhow.
now, on the other hand, a gal walks into a gun store, because her crazy stalker ex has threatened to murder her and clearly don't give a fuck about the restraining order, so she wants a gun Just In Case. now, she gets told "you can't take this home for seven days, ma'am" and then she gets raped and strangled the next day because her shitbag ex has a crowbar and knife and she doesn't have a gun because of waiting periods.this happened to my cousin's best friend. five years later, when one of my cousin's exes went psycho, I was luckily able to lend her a gun, and she put a 20 gauge buck load through his chest, but her friend didn't get the chance because of "lol waiting periods"
as for background checks, I have never met a single person opposed to them. in fact, the most passionately pro-gun folks that I've ever met have been campaigning to allow civilians to access the background check system, so that you CAN check people for private sales, which the gov't currently makes impossible for no rational reason.
>>43478049
That cake metaphor is just a shitty slippery slope fallacy.
Rights are terrible and I'd be fine with the human populace having less of them/edgyopinions here
>>43478049
>Every compromise is just another infringement upon rights that you were guaranteed by the document that grants the State its legitimacy.
Technically the Second Amendment wasn't part of that document. That's what makes it an amendment.
>>43478152
No, it is not. A slippery slope fallacy is when you use one series of events to suggest that an unrelated by theoretically similar series of events will then occur.
So, if you say, "what, legalizing homosexuality? What next, pedophilia?" is a slippery slope fallacy.
Saying "What, first gun restrictions, what's next, more guns restrictions?" is not a slippery slope fallacy, it's pattern recognition.
>>43477944
all available evidence suggests none of that really affects gun crime because most criminals freely admit they don't get their weapons from licensed dealers like the rest of us, they borrow one from a family member or steal one, or buy one from their crack dealer, etc.
The extra red tape and bureaucracy is mostly just to discourage people from the gun buying process because it becomes too much of a hassle for your average person who isn't interested in firearms as a hobby to deal with. many people on the pro-gun side view this as part of a larger scale plan to drive down interest in firearms over a generation or so and make it easier to implement further gun control. and even though it sounds crazy the candid conversations of antigun people leads some to believe there's a strange grain of truth to that theory.
>>43476038
>The fact that Americans treat their centuries-old constitution like a goddamn holy book
I wouldn't expect a foreigner to understand how the fundamental enumerated rights we have are more powerful and valuable than any fleeting politician or party.
>>43477944
We already have background checks enforced on all non-private gun purchases. Any firearms purchased from a FFL holder (gun shops, pawn shops, ect) has to a NICs check on the purchaser from the FBI. Waiting periods are stupid. Registries are only useful if some government entity wants to know who has what so they can take it from you by force if they feel that you're a threat to them.
>>43478133
>as for background checks, I have never met a single person opposed to them.
They are a very damn vocal group that oppose anything resembling control.
It's a weird situation where most of the NRA members supports waiting periods and background checks but the group itself opposes it because those voices are very loud.
>>43478126
I do not necessarily agree with it, I am just explaining the reasoning.
Also, in some states I think you actually can buy vehicle-mounted weapons without any additional legislation. There's never been a killing with one that I've heard of.
>>43478049
The issue with this kind of thinking is that a basic, functioning democracy requires the average citizen to trust one another at some level to reach a consensus. If you're going to assume that any compromise if going to fail, logically you shouldn't even bother with a political system that relies on compromise in the first place.
To get back to the topic, this guy got it right:
>>43471966
There's absolutely no reason for a local official to be anything but suspicious about a group of armed vagrants who just entered his town, especially is he starts making demands about natural rights that would be completely anachronistic is a feudal setting.
>>43477885
(attempt to bring this thread out of the deep hole of shit it's currently in, despite the fact that this kind of thread is posted at least 3 times a week)
In my current group, it would go something like this:
LG dorf hands over his weapons after some grumbling
Naive halfling ranger follows his example because she has no idea how the world works and is a shitty roleplayer anyway
Warlock and wizard give exactly zero fucks
Barbarian is very proficient in improvised weapons (once critted a behir with a stool, crushing its head in) and laughs at the puny guards before handing over his unwashed and blood-encrusted mobile armory
Rogue will probably just steal her shit back from wherever the weapons are stored the moment she gets a chance.
>>43477951
I happen to think it is applicable.
>>43478209
well, yes and no. a lot of people say "to hell and gone with every damn bit of ATF bureaucracy", but if you specifically asked them about background checking, every one of them would likely want some way to check "is this guy a convicted serial rapist/bankrobber crack dealer" it's a weird one, I'll agree
>>43478214
"Vehicle mounted" can be anything with enough imagination.
But stuff like legit, legally transferable full-auto MGs and warheads do exist. More hoops to go through, and you have to pay a tax stamp and register the item with the ATF.
Not to mention full-fun MGs are retarded expensive because no new guns have been added to the registry since the ban in '68. Hence why a Sten goes for $6k, a legit Vietnam bring-back AK-47/AKM goes for $20k, an M2 Browning Machine Gun (fat .50) goes for $40k+, ect.
>>43478199
>Registries are only useful if some government entity wants to know who has what so they can take it from you by force if they feel that you're a threat to them.
Is that how it works with cars?
Also: I'd be impressed by the person who DID have the sort of firearms needed to stop the government sending the military to take his guns. The sort of days when a lone man or even a militia could stand up to the government with guns have kinda passed by with the invention of the Tank.
>>43478277
When has the government ever argued in favor of banning cars?
>>43478271
>Not to mention full-fun MGs are retarded expensive because no new guns have been added to the registry since the ban in '68.
Also the cost needed to fire them/replace parts as they break like a motherfucker.
>>43478282
Well there was Ralph Nadar, but I don't think he counts.
>>43478282
I dunno, they have registries of car owners. It's clearly a matter of time before they try to take them by force!I am dicking about and taking things to silly conclusions, in case it wasn't obvious
>>43478214
That's another thing. If you took every gun ever used in a homicide in the USA, and sorted them into piles by type:
Assault Rifles: A small pile. Assault rifles cost thousands of dollars, and only range-queens own them to begin with. Who murders someone with an assault rifle?
Shotguns: A pile one hundred times the size of the Assault Rifle pile.
Rifles: A pile twice the size of the Shotgun pile.
Pistols: A pile ten times the size of the Rifle pile.
So you have a pile of pistols the size of Eritrea, and comparatively tiny piles of rifles, shotguns, a nigh-invisible pile of assault rifles, and then like one Maduce or something that someone probably used in the 70s.
Yet the discussion is never around pistols, because pistols are the weapons actually useful for self defense, and legislation to ban them has already proven utterly ineffective (Washington DC is fucking hell, a guy in Jersey got arrested for saving his own life with a handgun he had had to buy in another State, etc.)
The result is that gun-grabbers focus on big scawy machineguns because despite nobody ever using them in crimes, it's a battle they think they can win. This by itself should destroy all credibility of the confiscatory groups.
>>43478189
Civil religion is a real thing. The Constitution is the holy book, founding fathers and notable presidents are prophets, there are holy days (4th of July for example), holy symbols (the flag), leaders (president), etc.
We all learned the Pledge of Allegiance before we knew what "allegiance" meant, same as we all learned the Our Father before we knew what "hallowed" meant.
It's a weird way to think about our relationship with our nation, but it certainly explains a lot. The way people react to other people saying they don't like America or expressing "heretical" opinions (communism and denial of American exceptionalism come to mind) is remarkably similar to the way devoutly religious individuals react to a similar situation.
>>43478301
I realized you were being facetious, but I really find it troubling if you honestly think that gun registry will stop anyone from committing crimes.
>>43478277
what would a gun registry actually accomplish? So you have a list and on that list it says Mr. Todd Jones owns a glock 19 and a bushmaster XMS-15 rifle. Big whoop. Now you're spending lots and lots of government money on people to handle all the paperwork and data entry as well as storage space for all of this information. for well over ~100 million americans. and what does it actually do for us? if someone is going to commit a crime with a gun, they take 5 minutes with a file and scrape the serial number off. most do this anyway and there isn't even a federal gun registry.
I like guns and just want to keep mine. No specific reason except I like to shoot and own them.
But seriously, fuck all of you guys telling me what I can and can't have.
>>43478152
>implying its a slippery slope fallacy if it has already happened multiple times
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it is pretty much exactly what happened to Britain(which at the turn of the 20th century had more relaxed laws than modern America).
British gun rights were nibbled piece by piece in the name of security and safety until you can't even own a realistic BB gun without "good reason"
>>43478277
car registries are literally for the purpose of "is this a car that has passed safety regs for road use?"
the gun equivalent would be having your carry gun (if you have a CCW) checked and registered on the "this guy's carry gun is not fucky" list to make sure it's not broken or liable to go off without a trigger pull. not saying "everybody has to give us a list of every gun they own so that we know who has what gun for reasons"
shit, I own a raggedy-assed old pickup that's not registered to me or anybody because it's not road-legal
>>43478311
Funny thing: In Australia it's pistols that are most heavily restricted.
Shotguns and hunting rifles are not that hard to get (You need a licence/listed need for one but 'Has a farm/is a member of a gun club' is a listed need for a hunting shotgun/rifle). Pistols however? They are hard as fuck to get a licence for and you basically need to be a cop.
People don't go hunting with pistols.
>>43478337
You now need to be 18 or older in order to purchase plastic knives over there.
>>43478294
Nader was just calling for accountability in the automotive industry. There's a difference between banning cars and advocating for mandatory seat belts.
>>43475752
Such as?
Because it seems fairly straightforward. Americans are super patriotic, "muh constitution" is about as american a thing can be, so it's defended because "it's right".
There's really not that much to it, humans just aren't naturally very rational, we had no need to evolve that way.
>>43478357
>People don't go hunting with pistols.
Maybe not in australia. fun fact, hunting loads for .44 magnum have comparable energy to intermediate (5.56) rifle rounds.
>>43478357
>People don't go hunting with pistols.
maybe you don't
of course people won't hunt with pistols when you make it illegal to
>"it's illegal to hunt with pistols"
>nobody does it because it's illegal
>SEE YOU DON'T NEED A PISTOL TO HUNT
fuggin kangaroo logic
>>43478404
The constitution is defended because it literally enumerates all the freedoms we hold so dear, one of which being the 1st Amendment. Without that, 4chan would have been shut down long ago.
>>43478357
>People don't go hunting with pistols.
Possibly true in Australia. Not universally true worldwide.
There are special handgun-only seasons in some parts of the US for whitetail deer, for example, and for the accomplished smallbore pistol shooter, small game animals like rabbits and squirrels are challenging targets, devious and unpredictable.
Please don't take this the wrong way. This isn't /pol/ and I'm not trying to be a belligerent asshole about the matter, just pointing out a minor cultural difference.
>>43478357
Here in NZ you have to be an active member of a pistol club to get a B-category license. A-cat, which is non-military, non-automatic shotguns and rifles, just needs you to pass a test and have a safe to store them in.
It's funny how any mention of guns on the net gets a million Americans clambering out of the woodwork to rant.
>>43478408
>>43478455
Why would you hunt with a pistol rather than a rifle? I like my guns and that just feels stupid.
>>43478408
don't forget that 10mm meme boolits are proven moose removers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu9kn9upOPw
>>43478152
>>43478181
>That argument is fallacious thus it is untrue
>Fallacy of Fallacies
Additionally, and my argument/philosophy class might be about seven years ago from college, but I am fairly certain that it's only a Slippery Slope if it isn't accurate or happening.
>>43478224
>>43478227
I would probably have the rest of the party leave the town to it's own devices. Clearly the guards have their shit-hole of a town under control and I am sure that the violence in town is all unarmed. (unless a shit ton of badass monks or some shit entered town and decided to take over. Which would be a pretty bad ass plot hook to be honest.)
Current Party:
Rogue Trader: Shoots the Feudal Worlder for wasting his time. Demands to see the mayor.
Seneshal: Advices to Guards that doing so would upset the Rogue Trader who has vastly superior technology and no patience for their lack of ability in being able to do their job well.
Arbite: Press Gangs the guards into ship duty.
Me: Clean up the god damn mess the Rogue Trader makes killing everyone on the way to the mayors office, try to throw the inquisition from what the hell is about to happen.
>>43478282
Elon Musk has stated that the second robot cars become a thing this will probably happen shortly after. So it's more of a when down the road you will see it thing.
>>43478408
>>43478477
They are also great for killing the charging feral pig you accidentally missed the heart of with your bow.
>>43478460
But Anon! Constitution is an old outdated document!
>>43478460
It's also a moddable document as shown by the Eighteenth and Twenty First Amendments.
>>43478477
why would you hunt with a bow?
it's because it's a challenge, that's why
though a hunting-grade pistol is far more able to deliver a humane kill than a bow is
>>43478477
>feels
Why would that ever matter to anyone other than yourself?
>>43478495
And no one wants to modify it. There you go.
Frankly, if 100% of all people in the world decided that the world was created 200 years ago, history would be 'moddable' as well, but it isn't.
>>43478524
>And no one wants to modify it.
Evidently some people want to at least dispute what it means or there wouldn't be this debate.
>>43478499
>it's because it's a challenge, that's why
See 'stupid', above.
>>43478404
The use of political ideology as a basis for the legitimacy for the existence of a state is hardly unique to the United States. Unlike say, Europe, where most of the states base legitimacy on representing a certain ethnic group, the United States bases its legitimacy on a concept of civic nationalism based around adherence to a somewhat loosely defined democratic ideology. As such, the sense of what it is to be "American" has a more overt, political meaning to it.
>>43471545
You're in Mexico City. The thieves guild runs the government.
>>43478455
The only reason to use a pistol is because you don't have a shotgun. The only reason to use a shotgun is because you don't have a long gun. The only reason to use a long gun is because you don't have a semi-auto rifle.
You use each one to get the next one up, buddy.
>>43478495
Alright Anon. Why should I trust a government with my right to free speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion if I am not allowed the freedom to the only amendment that allows me to bare arms and defend myself?
>>43478524
>>43478539
Less people want to modify the Second Amendment these days than before- but the media pushes it because obama pushes and other urbanites want to push it.
There are shit tons of things that kill more than Guns in the US. Cars, Swimming Pools, Food Poisoning, Trampolines and falls but guns arethe only thing that can defend you from someone corrupt in power. People deserve the right self defese, hell people in europe are buying guns in record numbers. The people who want to modify it are the same who want to modify your right to free speech on the internet or even have the internet anon. They get better press and are able to put more media pressure on the subject thus making people think that a ton of people want it but they don't. It's like ten people having a megaphone pushing their opinion because they are louder than 10,000 mute people.
>>43478477
my person reason is we hunt wild pigs with dogs. it's less hunting and more chase the dogs until they manage to grab a pig and hold it down then I run up and shoot it in the brain. having a pistol in a secure holster is easier to run through the woods with than a rifle across my back. Most people say they just enjoy the challenge of hunting with a pistol.
>>43471545
>ONLY CITIZENS ARE ALLOWED TO WEAR KNIFES LONGER THAN TWO SPANS
>ONLY CITIZENS WHO'RE EITHER ON GUARD DUTY OR ALL ABLE-BODIED CITIZENS AFTER THE STORM BELL HAS BEEN RUNG TO INDICATE A SIEGE IN PROGRESS ARE ALLOWED TO WEAR ARMOUR WITHIN CITY LIMITS
>NOTOFICATIONS OF EXEPTIONS WILL BE POSTED AT THE GATE AND READ OUT LOUT BY THE TOWN HERALD TWICE A DAY. AT ALL OTHER TIMES, INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FROM THE GUARD CAPTAIN IN CHARGE AT THE USUAL FEES.
>>43478600
>but guns arethe only thing that can defend you from someone corrupt in power
...that hasn't been true in years. Decades. Especially not in an age of helicopter gunships, tanks and drones.
>>43478541
you aren't wrong, but I'd rather allow people to hunt in dumb ways than not
>>43478585
I agree wholeheartedly, but the only shotgun that I can CC is an AOW, and I don't feel like being the next gary fadden if I have to pull.
as for long guns, I keep a para FAL in my car, but I can't really walk around with it, can I?
what I *can* do is keep the Tanfoglio .38 super in an IWB holster, since a long gun is impractical
Take it to /pol/.
>>43478600
>Cars, Swimming Pools, Food Poisoning
All three of those have serious regulations to reduce the deaths for that very reason. That's not really an argument against regulation so much as in favor.
>>43478639
A person also spends more time around food, cars, and likely swimming pools, more often, than they do around firearms.
>>43478620
>>43478337
>Electrician tasered with 50,000 volts for carrying a screwdriver in his pocket
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2203982/Electrician-tasered-50-000-volts-police-bring-having-SCREWDRIVER-pocket.html
UK is the proof that the damn slope IS slippery.
>>43478715
Except it wasn't really the muskets that kept them safe. It was the fact that America was Way The Fuck Over There and that made the logistics of the war utter hell. Even then it took France's help to prevent England winning.
If America had been as close as say, France or Ireland, England would have steamrolled them.
>>43478639
I am not in favor of gun control unless everything that is as deadily as gun control requires the same amount of stringent regulation that gun control gets anon. I want the US to be the safest country in the world!
I want a three week back ground check to buy castor beans. They might be banned in california because Ricin is so deadly but hey you can always go to Nevada for them. I want a mandatory mental health exam for a person to buy a car, and make the person have to pay for it if they have a gararage. I also charges to be higher and vehicular manslaughter to always be charged as murder. I want DWIs to cause you to never drive anything ever again. I want swimming pools to have mandatory covers over them for when they are not in use and special storage for them so they cannot cause an accidental drowning death. I want stares to be so short and slopeless that each house in america with multiple stories need to be radically redisigned and all americans to have life alert and pay for it.
I want to watch the whole US be strangled by red tape so assholes like you realize how pointless laws like this are when if someone is truly willing to kill you nothing can stop them, especially the fucking law.
That way you will know my pain when I want to go shoot pheasant for fun and eat the fruits of my labor.
>>43478620
That's why we did so fantastic in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. And of course the US government would happily use a helicopter get someone held up in a building filled with civvies. Actually they might with how fucked up people in power are.
>>43478715
You know we had the backing of the nation of France, and all that entails, right? Hell, we got our asses beat plenty.
So I guess if the good people of China will "volunteer" and bring their MiGs and tanks over like in Korea, sure, you'll stop government tyranny with your AR-15s.
>>43478747
Yes, France's help. Using their guns.
Please don't insult our intelligence.
>>43478758
>I want a mandatory mental health exam for a person to buy a car
That's...not honestly a bad idea.
>>43478766
I encourage you to read this >>43478335
>>43478773
Actually, mostly using their money. America didn't have the economy for a war.
France went so heavily into debt helping America it's a contributing factor to the Revolution.
>>43478766
Actually Russia would back a texas seccession. Putin has said stated as much. But if you think the US would go full on killing spree on it's on civvies like it would in a proper war and not a civil war you are gravely mistaken. See >>43478783
>>43478776
Until they determine that having depression means that you cannot have a car. Or that having OCD or Autism means you are unfit to drive. Also just realize that the government would likely determine what is and what isn't mental health. They are so good at doing that right?
>>43478758
>That's why we did so fantastic in Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam.
I "really" doubt most Americans are going to start bombing hospitals, restaurants, and hotels in response to gun control.
>>43478783
I'd like a single source for most of that. Like that 75% desertion rate.
>>43478811
spend some time on /k/, they practically fucking idolize timothy mcveigh. there are a fair amount of gun owners who are a little crazy when it comes to anti-authority stuff
>>43478812
Why would your own nation's military carry out a war against their own friends and family? You do know the kind of people America's military is comprised of, right? Hint: they're not made in a factory.
>>43478804
So what? Instead there should be zero control whatsoever?
We should just let anyone drive a car without any sort of test of competency or safety?
>>43478620
>Especially not in an age of helicopter gunships, tanks and drones.
>implying you can hold land with helicopter gunships, tanks, and drones
>>43478827
well it's already legal for literally anyone to drive a car without any sort of test or competency or safety, as long as they do it on private property. the licensing and other various requirements are only necessary to drive on public roads.
>>43478822
You are also assuming it's a war. Not 'A terrorist group being stopped'. You won't find much objection to terrorists being stopped.
That's also not a source.
>>43478827
there should indeed be a test to CCW, but simply owning a gun should require nothing except not being a violent felon
>>43478733
I am 90% sure that picture is from a parody account.
>>43478837
You're not going to convince the majority of the military that the entirety of gun owners are terrorists.
>>43478758
While your feverish ranting is cute (it's actually not), there's one big problem. Cars weren't built for murdering people, same with swimming pools and food. Guns are.
>>43478804
>But if you think the US would go full on killing spree on it's on civvies like it would in a proper war and not a civil war you are gravely mistaken.
I don't think that. I also don't think most Americans will become actual terrorists to keep their toys.
>>43478837
>>43478812
There are a whole series of pics on it. The writer had NDAs and some of the information was classified but it doesn't seem that far off considering the precentage of the US that would back a military coup right now...
>>43478833
>>43478827
Cars are fine they way they are, but I honestly think Insurance can turn into a racket. The point is guns are already over-regulated enough as it is.
>>43478841
Most states require tests for CCW already.
>>43475299
Fuck off Seppo. You can't even call what you have coffee.
>>43478859
Funny, I can't find a single gun manufacturer who advertises their product for the explicit use of killing people. Most say sporting and lawful self defense purposes.
Can you find me a gun that is currently readily available for purchase by the general public whose manufacturer states its intended purpose is for killing?
>>43478851
You're also not going to convince the majority of gun owners to go to war with the government of the United States.
>>43478851
And you won't convince the majority of gun owners to try violent rebellion in the face of gun control.
A lot of gun owners will bitch like crazy if gun control happened...but they'd follow the law.
>>43478861
precisely. I'm OK with those tests existing, but I think that those + civvies being able to access a background check system is the absolute most gun control that is needed
>>43478851
No, just the ones who start shooting at police officers who are enforcing the rule of law.
If the police come for your guns are you prepared to shoot?
>>43478878
Guns are made for killing people, your attempt at deflection doesn't prove shit.
>>43478887
I personally support needing the same laws for private sales as store ones. It's currently a loophole against the spirit of what those laws are supposed to do.
Well, that and the system to make private sales fast and effective. If you can get married in less time than it takes to transfer property, that's a problem.
>>43478895
Show me proof that the modern firearms currently being produced and sold are built for killing other people. I own 12 guns and I've never killed a single person. I guess all of my guns are shitty and fucking broken.
>>43478880
>>43478888
People would be right to shoot burglars. The same thing happened in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina- the mayor thought it was a brilliant idea to confiscate all guns in the city.
Guess what happened? So many police officers were shot trying to steal guns from law-abiding citizens that the MAYOR apologized and said he would never do that again.
>>43478878
>lawful self defense purposes.
This translates to "killing the bad man"
Or in Florida, "A person I don't like"
More seriously, firearms were invented for causing harm. That is their function. Using them outside their function does not change that. I can cook on a car engine, that doesn't make it a stove.
>>43478335
those sure are a whole lot of unbacked assertions.
Still, I'd love to watch a russian-backed texan separatist movement rise up if only so I can watch the cognitive dissonence literally spin their head apart like a brick thrown into a drier.
Lol, ur dum
>>43471545
There's a quote one guy I used to quest with shared that seems very appropriate to this subject:
"No matter how sweet his words, no man that tries to disarm you is your friend."
Considering the number of times being disarmed has led to the party being ambushed, attacked, or otherwise thrown into combat without their weapons, I'd say he hit the nail on the head.
>>43478911
lawful self defense is not limited to killing. it can be accomplished with as little as brandishing.
>>43478911
>Or in Florida, "A person I don't like"
Holy shit. There is no way you people can possibly still be butthurt about ZimZam.
>>43478910
>burglars
But the policemen are following the law.
>>43478903
you wanna know why civvies are literally not allowed to use the background check system? so that the ATF and it's boys can handwring about the "gun show loophole" in front of congress, when they have the power to eliminate it with a wave of their hand, but don't, because that wouldn't allow them to take more steps towards total, 100% firearms prohibition an confiscation, their endgame
>>43475112
The problem is always going to be that America's War on Drugs radically inflates our homicide rate. In general if the government didn't do so many retarded things to empower murderous drug distributors we'd be on the low end of western nations for murder rate.
>>43478930
The law is not just unjust and evil, it's also unconstitutional. They're right to protect themselves and their property.
>>43477830
>American Left
If you're just talking to Seppos you can say Left and if you're talking to anyone from the rest of the first world, you can't really call them left. :^)
>>43478905
>Guns are made for killing people, your attempt at deflection doesn't prove shit.
>>43471545
>No real city would ever institute a policy like this unless they were retarded
But anon, most of the world do that IRL because they are retarded.
This is literally gun control
Also, obviously the thief guild controls the city council to ensure such a law remains in effect
>>43478953
burden of proof lies on you my friend. back your assertion up with some facts.
>>43478941
That does not make the policemen burglars.
>>43478941
Presumably if guns are being taken, the constitution has been changed. Amendments (Like the second) can be made.
After all, people running illegal alcohol were breaking the law and any of them shooting cops wasn't a defense of the constitution.
>>43478959
>>43478953
>>Guns are made for killing people, your attempt at deflection doesn't prove shit.
>>43478322
True but then you also have the weird Euro thing of thinking a person's nationality as anything besides where they were born. The idea that you can be born somewhere without automatically being a citizen is scary and cultish. Oh yeah you've been in Germany all your life but you aren't a "real" German because your parents weren't "real" Germans.
Or you know the weird crusades you guys pursue against the Gypsies for no fucking reason.
>>43478930
You're in a town that just got ass-fucked sideways by a massive hurricane and the subsequent flooding. What people are around are predominantly looters.
Now, two men in police officer uniforms show up outside your home. What do they want? Why, they want you to hand over your guns of course!
How does this NOT sound like some thugs who found policeman uniforms and decided it'd be a good idea to trick people into letting themselves get robbed?
>>43478932
That is some real conspiracy stuff. I'm leaning more 'Bureaucratic clusterfuck/lots of yelling if they tried' myself.
>>43478961
Yes it does. A badge doesn't give someone the right to steal from you for doing nothing wrong.
>>43478895
>>43478859
So how do you defend against someone with a gun? Good will and cheer? Pissing your pants? If they are made for killing people then are you saying I shouldn't have a right to defend myself against killers?
>> Hurr durr martial arts
Even Bruce Lee thought this idea was a shit
>> Hurr Durr Police
By the time they arrive the damage is done.
>> What if nobody has a gun
You can 3d print a gun now anon or make one out of scrap. Ammo isn't hard to make either. That argument died.
>>43478961
>Taking something you legally own
> Without Permission
> With Weapons
Your right it's armed robbery.
>>43478966
You can 3d print guns, make them in auto shop and build the ammo from home fairly easy. That Argument died.
>>43478981
>steal
But it's not illegal, so it's not stealing.
>>43478982
>legally own
Not anymore, the government made private firarms ownership illegal. Weren't you paying attention?
>>43473664
Kek, nice job [s]abusing[/s] using nobility exactly as intended.
Best part is that you don't have to be noble born, just have to be pragmatic enough to score a title for your saving of the day
>>43478988
>>43478994
A government that has abandoned all sense of legitimacy and will to protect their citizenry is no longer in authority over you.
>>43478766
If it was just American muskets yeah they'd lose, just like if it was just the AR-15s, but in both cases those would be a vital component of any armed revolt. Would the French be willing to back an unarmed colonial army? Would say big oil or Russia back an unarmed Texas session?
Now personally I think secessionist talk is at best stupid and at worst treasonous, but it's not like it's impossible. If in theory one of our government officials went all Robespierre I'd like that as an option. I also don't want our current government to discount the possibility that disgruntled dangerous people might foster secession.
>>43478984
cold dead hands my friend
>>43478976
It's less conspiracy and more of an argument for an expansion of power. IE more funding. Let me put in a less tin-foil term.
A company hides back a better cell phone for a while so they can make more money on a slightly better redesign of an old one.
>>43478994
Yes because something being illegal prevents people from doing it. Like Speeding, Stealing, Heroin, Meth, Mary Jane, Downloding movies off the Web, Stealing cable, or jaywalking are never done because they are illegal.
>>43479002
You remain a citizen of that country, you are still under their authority. People living in North Korea are still under the control of the North Korean government.
>>43475112
>and no mass shootings since gun control came into effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
Facts are so troublesome when you are a commie faggot
>>43479012
Are you stupid? It being illegal means you don't legally own the guns anymore, so the police can take them away from you without it being robbery.
>>43479017
You would argue against the North Korean people if they didn't follow their government's every command?
>>43478982
>If they are made for killing people then are you saying I shouldn't have a right to defend myself against killers?
lol this argument
I love the smell of false dichotomies at midnight, especially from gunfags.
>>43479023
I don't give a shit about the North Koreans, they can do what they like.
>>43479021
Your premise is nonsense. The 2nd Amendment won't be repealed.
>>43477830
>Thankfully can't commit suicide because they don't own guns
You mean sadly?
>>43478972
>Or you know the weird crusades you guys pursue against the Gypsies for no fucking reason.
Are we talking actual Romani or those fucking 'traveller' dipshit gypsies that do nothing but shit up the local area wherever they go?
>>43478994
Nobody is going to want to be the first person to turn over their gun. Nobody is going to be forthcoming about it.
It's going to go badly, fast. And don't forget that any motion to try and ban all guns would be the news for years.
>>43479034
Are you certain?
>>43479029
>Not giving a shit about North Koreans
You realize that's what they want, right?
They want people to think they aren't a threat. The 'silly bluster' that gets them mocked is extremely calculated.
I am wild eyed and feverish with the thought of the ways I want to degrade the proud, gun-toting white man.
I imagine a world where they're in camps, forcibly neutered by a giant leering Newt Gingrich mascot while row after row of black men mock their penises.
I imagine a world where scientists of every race (but caucasian, lol) come together to develop a way to exterminate the white genome from the planet for good.
I imagine a world where blue eyed, blond haired girls and boysare kept locked in basements like carnival freaks, their only meals literally shit into their mouths by...yes! Straping, proud Native Americans.
It will be beautiful and terrible and I can only just imagine it yet.
>>43478860
>I also don't think most Americans will become actual terrorists to keep their toys.
Terrorists for one side, are Revolutionaries for the other.
>>43479043
I don't give a shit about anything going on in the rest of the world, really.
>>43479027
Alright how do you propose that you defend yourself against a man with a gun?
>>43479011
W-what are the condoms for?
>>43479043
This. There's a reason China keeps them around as allies, despite economically draining them of relief goods.
>>43479056
By unsheathing my katana and teleporting behind him, of course!
>>43471674
Peace Bonding is when you wrap your weapon in something- usually cloth or a cable of some kind- to hold it in its sheath.
In my setting, Peace Bonding is a thing, and it's usually sealed in wax- so you can still bring weapons in, but if the bond is broken, the guards will know because the wax doesn't have a seal.
Of course, there are ways around it- like having your own press, or maybe using a heated thin wire to cut the seal off and smoosh it back on after you use your weapon, but those are too difficult.
>>43479056
You don't. Even if you have a gun as well, you're gambling on you being more prepared to shoot him than he is to shoot you.
>>43478860
How many terrorists do you think actually consider themselves terrorists?
>>43479045
>Gun rights are for white men only
>What are black men who defended their families from the KKK with guns
>What are gays who defended themselves from muder
>What are women who defend themselves?
>>43479056
by shooting first and using the fact that he also had a gun to protect you legally.
