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The Kickstarter got all the funding edition.
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>/btg/ does a TRO.
http://builtforwar.blog(not spam) spot.com/
>The Happening has Happened and it was glorious:
http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/drop-pod-sequence-initiatedthree-two-one/
>How do I do this Against the Bot thing?
http://pastebin.com/pE2f7TR5 (embed)
>Can I get an overview of the major factions?
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/great-houses/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/the-clans/
http://bg.battletech.com/universe/other-powers/
>How do I find out what mechs a faction has?
http://masterunitlist.info/
>Map of /btg/ players (WIP):
https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=1116217&add=1
>Battletech Introductory Info and PDFs
http://bg.battletech.com/?page_id=400
>Rookie guides
http://pastebin.com/HZvGKuGx (embed)
>Sarna.net - Battletech Wiki
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Megamek - computer version of Battletech. Play with AI or other players
http://megamek.info/
>SSW Mech Designer
http://www.solarisskunkwerks.com/
>Battletech IRC
#battletech on irc.rizon.net
>PDF Folders
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9q792hobnbpw3/Battletech
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/sdckg6j645z4j/Battletech
I believe in Devlin Stone!
How dangerous would a Hunchie with a HAG 40 be?
>>43462388
Pretty nasty. I just made a Clan Hunchie like that, 4/6 with max ferro, endo, ERMLs in the arms and an ERSL in the head, HAG/40 with 5 tons ammo, and an ECM and Light Active Probe.
>>43462388
Like anything else with a HAG 40.
It would hurt quite a bit, but not really much more than an Archer or anything else that has two LRM-20s.
It would fucking DROP VTOLs though.
What would a PURPLE BIRD Hollander look like?
>>43463026
Like a LGR with legs.
>>43463026
Like a Hollander, but purple.
Requesting the Gatapult sheet please
>>43463331
This one?
So I'm still fairly new to BT and have never really used non battlemechs. Could I get a quick rundown of their effectiveness or viability? When they should be used? Etc?
I'm mostly curious about Aerospace fighters (I think an all aerospace fighter force would be super fun...but also possibly suicidal), but I'm also curious about running tanks or battle armors as well
>>43463697
Heavily armoured tanks with BFGs are murder in cities. Does the map have a long, straight boulevard? Park a Schrek PPC carrier at one end. Twisty streets? The Demolisher has dual AC/20s. Just beware of driving rolls so that moving doesn't turn into Fast and Furious Vega Drift, and remember that vehicles are, despite their armour, vulnerable to motive damage.
And when they brew up, the brew the hell up. This is what I did to a member of a vehicle lance of a Demolisher, a Schrek AC carrier and two Partisans.
>>43463538
Blake-a-pult when?
I just had an idea for the first canon Blaketech Proto.
>VSPLs in the arms and head., Harjel III, C3i Compact, Void Sig, VDNI link connected directly to the C3i Compact.
>>43463838
Heretic pls.
>>43463697
>I think an all aerospace fighter force would be super fun...but also possibly suicidal
This, not so much. An all-ASF force, especially if you choose your force from the 3067+ flying brick design paradigm, heavily outperform ground forces for their BV.
BA use depends on type. Slow ones are area denial tools, you stick them somewhere you don't want your opponent to go. Fast ones you can use to make Leg attacks if you want, or to harass light vehicle forces. Swarm attacks with BA are a noob trap, you waste a turn grappling on and your opponent has at least one chance to knock you off before you get to do damage.
Vehicles go all right in numbers, and in cities.
>>43464140
>Swarm attacks with BA are a noob trap
When dealing with mechs, at least. Vehicles have a very hard time removing swarming BA and can't be leg attacked, so generally you want to swarm vees.
>>43464061
>>43464061
You're so overspent on weight here it's insane. Presuming a 15-ton chassis...
2000 kg (Small VSPL - left arm) +
2000 kg (Small VSPL - right arm) +
3000 kg (Harjel III) +
1000 kg (presumed weight for homebrewed C3i Compact) +
1000 kg (Clan ECM needed for Void Sig) +
1500 kg (Internal Structure) +
1500 kg (Heat Sinks) +
2000 kg (Engine to move 3/5) +
750 kg (Cockpit)
=
14750 kg, before armor
You also can't put weapons in a ProtoMech's head, and you're over the weight limit for items in the Torso location. Time to go back to the drawing board, anon.
>>43464504
>Time to go back to the drawing board, anon.
Ah well,ho hum, that could have gone better, what if I dropped the Harjel III?
>>43464061
>>43464504
>C3i Compact
What do you even need that junk for?
Use the enhanced multi-modal eye/ear and boosted comm implant combo to participate in C3i networks like any self respecting Blakist!
>>43464816
Then it's legal, but still not good. Though I'm not sure if that's a design goal of yours. I'm also not sure if it'd "fit" with the existing rules; the only special armor for Protos, EDP, takes up a crit slot in the Torso. I think it'd be fair to ask the same of the Void, in addition to the ECM requirement.
Since that causes a slot issue in the Torso, I'd drop either the C3i or the Void. Since both systems can't work at the same time, nothing is really lost.
But then you still have the issue of it being a slow ProtoMech with very short range...and that doesn't work well. See the Minotaur XP for an example of that; threatening on paper, but near-useless outside of a few specific scenarios in reality. And there's another problem I didn't notice the first time around: Small VSPLs are too heavy to mount on the Arms, they have a limit of 1000 kg max. At that point...I'd try to find a way to shove a Medium VSPL into a Main Gun or something instead.
>>43465011
Y'know, I'm getting the idea that the first Blake Protos would be based on Minotaurs and Sprites, as those are the only two that are really any good for anything.
I'll prolly drop the Void and have a Medium VSPL in the Main gun then. maybe once I've ironed out the kinks for this I'll think about a variant with a MML, or something.
You're way better at this than I am.
>decide I want to try writing up the exploits of my Merc company for NaNoWriMo
>Already 6k words behind on the pace I should be going at
>my prose is hackneyed, my dialogue is boring, my descriptions are wooden and my characters are flatter than Wayne Waco's son
Kill me.
>>43465122
>and my characters are flatter than Wayne Waco's son
lemme guess...Highlander Burial?
>>43465011
Here's the build, a 3/5 15-ton Proto with 50 points of armor, MagClamps, a Medium VSPL and Void Sig. It'd be pretty nasty if it were legal.
- - -
1500 kg (IS)
750 kg (Cockpit)
2000 kg (Engine)
2500 kg (50 points of armor)
1000 kg (MagClamps) - 1 Torso Slot, 1000/4000 kg
- - -
4000 kg (Medium VSPL) - Main Gun
1750 kg (7 heat sinks)
1500 kg (Guardian ECM) - 2 Torso Slot, 2500/4000 kg
0 kg (Void Signature System) - 3 Torso Slot, 2500/4000 kg
- - -
Total: 15,000 kg
>>43465152
Stalker foot to the cockpit, if I remember rightly.
>>43465122
>my characters are flatter than Wayne Waco's son
REMOVE WOLF REMOVE WOLF
>>43465122
>prose is hackneyed
>dialogue is boring
>descriptions are wooden
So when will CGL publish your book?
>>43465199
>*Comical Splat*
>>43465153
All it really needs now is a name.
I want a mech with twin LRM 20 + some backup shit, but I don't want to deploy an Archer nor a Catapult
What would you suggest?
>>43465319
I give you the Longbow. Twin LRM20s and twin LRM5s.
>>43465153
And here's another. An 8-tonner, moves 8/12 with 24 points of armor, C3i and TAG. If you absolutely want a gun you can replace the TAG with a Machine Gun (500 kg), 20 shots (200 kg), and 6 more points of armor. Or two RL-10s. Or whatever.
- - -
800 kg (IS)
500 kg (Cockpit)
3000 kg (Engine)
1200 kg (24 points of armor)
- - -
1500 kg (C3i)
1000 kg (TAG)
- - -
Total: 8,000 kg
>>43465292
Go nuts
Is it at all common or heard of for mechwarriors to constantly jump from mech to mech?
I'm thinking of a Merc company that's just 4-6 people that constantly buy new mechs and jump into new mechs as the situation dictates (bugs for a Scouting mission, Assaults for a Base Assault, etc.)
>>43465416
If it's a group of that size, I'd definitely say it would be better to get well rounded 'Mechs rather than park bugs in one end of the garage and the assaults in the other. You'd run into problems with maintenance (even with mothballing), transport and logistics.
>>43465416
The main problem with your idea is that your mercy would have to be made of C-Bills to even consider buying more mechs that they can't field simultaneously rather than getting a new pilot and sticking to what mech they are best at.
>>43465122
>flatter than Wayne Waco's son
Providing a valuable lesson to parents everywhere: don't let your kids be locust pilots
>>43465790
Era-wise, I'd give my son an Assassin (when you need to GTFO NOW) or a Griffin (sniping from safety + mobility)
>>43465402
>Go nuts
Hmmm...Howsabout Achilles and Leonidas?
>>43465907
I'd give my son the most armoured, zombielicious 'Mech I could get my hands on, until he'd gotten his p4g3 stripes. Especially as a mercenary commander who's planning on running a family business.
>>43465907
>Assassin
But why.
>>43466013
Don't you hate your children, Anon? I certainly hate mine.
>>43465908
Both are PURPLE BIRD BAs.
Which reminds me, PURPLE BIRD WAIFU in a BA when?
>>43466082
>Both are PURPLE BIRD BAs.
Cock, but I invoke the rule of 'You can use a name twice, as long as it's in different group to the first thing that used the name.'
>>43465907
I'd stick mine in an Archer, put him in the fire lance; an archer can take a lot of punishment and being fire support keeps him out of rang of the only real 3025 headcapper. It's also a good way to get combat experience without TOO much danger
The smart play is to put your kid in a Shadow Hawk -2H. He gets to run around paff-ing at things, but the SHD's got a fairly heavy armor load and nobody's going to bother shooting back as long as there's another target actually capable of doing meaningful damage within their LOS. Who is going to prioritize a Shad over another Mech that actually presents a threat?
>>43466200
>"Hey Dad, you promised I'd get to go on the front line some day. I mean, Major Smith's daughter's got a Phoenix Hawk and she's with the recce lance."
>"Yes, and it's Major Smith's job to deal with his daughter. Now get in the Archer and press either the Half the Missiles or the All the Missiles button, depending on your lance leader's call."
>>43466302
>Mechwarrior daycare
This has the potential to be hilarious.
>>43466282
Don't forget the Improved Life Support to bump up his PSRs.
For some reason whenever I run a Shad I end up using it as a melee brawler DFAing, Charging, Kicking and Punching everything within range.
>Not giving your son a Firestarter so he can burn heretics in the name of Blake together with you
>Not giving your little daughter a Xanthos because she asked for a puppy
>Not giving your wife a Centurion, making a proper duo together with your Trebuchet
I just realized that whichever faction is french themed should have an indomitable colony in the WoB Protectorate.
Does anyone get where I'm going with this?
>>43466433
>not giving your wife an Anvil -3R and using a Hammer -3C
>>43466494
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOGMQ-ySqOY
>TFW you get divorced and the lawyer tells you that she gets custody of the entire second battalion
I'm just glad that the DropShip is in my brother's name, honestly
>>43466433
>not giving your son a Mackie so he can crush the Great Houses in the name of the Hegemony
>>43466494
>Not giving your wife a rocket straight to the moon because she's a bitch
Seriously, she said my King Crab was "childish", and "no one would take an animal shaped robot seriously"
>>43466595
>TFW your clanner ex-wife is trying to issue a trial of refusal over the divorce
Pray for me, boys
>>43466776
Or a Trial of Possession for the custody of children.
>>43465319
>I want a mech with twin LRM 20
Uh, a Bombardier?
>and some backup shit
Aaah, there's the rub. Probably a Longbow -7Q - it's got 22 sinks and a pair of mediums, in addition to the 2 LRM-20s and the LRM-5s.
There's also the Viking and it's Machine Gun Knees (tm), or the Salamander's triple-20 setup. I recall one of the big omnis having a similar setup, but I cant be arsed and I may just be smoking crack anyway.
>>43466836
I'm lucky I dodged that one; she's trueborn and disgusted by the idea of "spawning stravags", so no kids to worry about.
>>43466719
To be fair, the King Crab looks like an angry pancake trying to play purple nurple with the enemy.
>>43466515
excellent taste, sir.
That album also has the Last Ride of Wayne Waco on it..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhvUpykF7OM
>>43466595
>not challenging that wench to a trial of possession
What are you, some kind of freebirth?
>>43466515
>>43467053
>liking metal
go to bed, granpaat least you like Judas Priest and not something pleb-tier like Metallica or Iron Maiden
>>43467143
you mad, trashborn?
>>43467211
I dare toREFUSEyour batchall
>>43467922
You DARE refuse my batchall?
>>43468087
That I do, yah wanna make summin of it?
>>43463816
>our ultimate plan
>drive in a conga line with the AOE splash ammo explosion rules
>make a twisty snake between all members of the enemy lance
>light one end of the fuse
???
Blake ackbar
>>43466082
We still don't even have "awaken, my captain generals" BA stands art yet
>>43466477
So asterix and Obelix themed mechs?
>>43465113
>Minotaurs and Sprites, as those are the only two that are really any good for anything.
Freebirth, please.
The Roc is by far the best of the first generation. The Centaur is a good multi-role unit, and the Gorgon can missile spam like a mofo.
Second generation gets you the Deplphyne, which is like a Roc but with a MPL instead of the ER Medium.
>>43465416
>Is it at all common or heard of for mechwarriors to constantly jump from mech to mech?
People tend to either have an heirloom 'Mech, get assigned a 'Mech permanently or, if Clan, find a design they like in the weight classes the are approved for pretty quickly. Changing rides over a career isn't too unusual (Grayson Carlyle went from a Shadow Hawk to a Marauder to a Victor, Kai went from Centurion to Hatchetman to Centurion to Storm Crow, etc) but most pilots stick to one machine unless circumstances intervene.
>>43465416
>not using 4 Assaults for a Scouting mission
I'd like to see a Scout Hunter lance take on an Awesome, a King Crab, an Atlas and a Thug.
>>43468434
>The Roc is by far the best of the first generation
Eh...depends on what you want to accomplish with them. In fact, it's probably one of the Protos I field the least. IMO the best 1st gen Protos are the Siren and Satyr, specifically because they're specialists that allow you to build a Mech force that doesn't have to worry about scouting or anti-infantry firepower. I even tend to gravitate towards Hydras and Centaurs before I field Rocs.
>>43465319
A Shen Yi 5B would do. Two LRM 20s, Stealth, and a LL.
Protos are super lame.
They're like the 3rd generation pokemon
>>43469193
I fully believe the only reason they never took off is because of how hideous the original art was.
And how they made the pilots go crazy after a few years.
FASA really shot themselves in the foot on that one.
>>43469193
I don't know why you're apply "lame" to those two things. 5th gen and quadvees are where "lame" becomes a thing.
>>43469222
friendly reminder
>>43469278
>>43469193
>all these shit opinions
3rd gen pokémon are cool, so are quadvees.
>proto Blastoise when?
>>43469422
Isn't that the Blastoise IIC though?
>>43469453
Blastoise II fits it better
but yeah, protomechs based on Pokémon seems a cool ideano one but me will like
>Blastoise protomech
>Venusaur quad protomech
Charizard WiGE protomech
>>43469536
What have I done?I like it
>>43469536
I like it, anon. Make it happen. At work tomorrow I might whip up some Pokemon mechs, just for laffs.
>Venusaur will have Chain Whips. FYI.
>>43469783
>Trueborn, are you a Boy or a Girl ?
>Team Society blasting off again!!
Blastoise:
>biped
>average speed
>max armor
>two proto AC/chem Lasers on torso
Venusaur
>quad
>slow-ish to average
>good armor, maybe some kind of equipment
>missile platform?
Charizard
>wige
>fast
>low armor
>plasma cannon+flamer, maybe a laser
bonus: Electivire
>biped
>myomer boost
>electric armor
>proto melee
it is time like these we need a protomech designer
>>43470123
I'M ON IT. BLEEP BLOOP.
>>43470123
>>43470215
BLEEP BOOP. HERE'S BLASTOISE
>>43470123
>>43470494
VENOSAUR
>>43470685
>>43470494
>Those armor/internals diagrams
Are you Greekfire, or just using his format?
>>43470685
>venosaur
venUsaur, anon
as in Venus
those are pretty cool, would deploy them both. Blastoise seems a little undergunned, though
>all this pokeshit
Get out of here, DarkEagle.
>>>/vp/
>>43471068
Who's to say pokemon wouldn't be legendary mythical creatures in 1000 years.
Also
>implying this is appropriate for /vp
>>43471068
yeah, let's talk about waifus instead
so much better
>>43470123
>>43470685
CHARIZARD, BEEP BEEP.
>>43471024
>venUsaur, anon
Aww shit.
>>43470860Greekfire is my slave name
>>43466477
St. Pierre et Miquelon?
>>43471024
Here's one with the corrected name, just for you.
>>43470123
And the last one. Electivire.
The Fusillades should be loaded with IMP rounds.
>>43468434
>The Roc is by far the best of the first generation. The Centaur is a good multi-role unit, and the Gorgon can missile spam like a mofo.
Don't forget, the Gorgon gets a second-gen upgrade with lasers, and it's mean as hell.
>>43471068
Tbqh Pokémon are canon, bae
I'm finally ready to admit that I playedthe WizKids MechWarrior growing up.and enjoyed it
Had to get that off my chest.
>>43472733
It's OK, anon. I too have a regrettable battletech past;I used to be a regular at pryde rock industries
>>43472733
It's not a terrible game, and the aesthetics weren't the worst, mostly.
The only bad thing was the mangling of the plot, really.
>>43473022
It had some interesting concepts that were mangled by poor execution and a shit plot
>>43471271
Maybe we can talk about why you think the Wolfhound is a Clan mech, nocaps shitposter.
>>43472194
>catch them all
kek'd
>>43472733
>>43473009
It's cool. I had fun with it for a little while too.I bought a couple Battleforce Lance Packs. I made them into little statues and sold them to other people..
Speaking of wizkids, a reboot/rules revision of the battletech card game might be cool, even a fan one. Maybe make it a LCG like fantasy flight does.
>>43473195
I liked how mechs were supposed to be scarce again and combined arms were a thing, while still getting access to all the goodie tech from previous eras and then some.
imho the most fun era to actually play, and I have an easier time convincing newbies to try out the game when they see an Atlas III, Hatamoto-Suna or Shrike
>>43473857
I won't lie, even as a guy who can't stand CCGs, despite too many years of playing them, I'd start emptying my wallet if the original BattleTech card game came back. Hell even if Piggy did it and pulled WoW tier shit with loot cards, as long as it was as engaging as it used to be, I'd buy it. That probably says something about how much I liked the game.
>>43474759
Fan Expansion/Reboot when?Maybe after the TRO?
I've been fucking about with some of the old scenario packs, and I found this.
Look at the Riflemen. HOW THE FUCK. You would literally have to strip it down to 1.5t of armor (or 3.5 if you dropped the MLs as well) AC/2s wouldn't work, since you only have enough tonnage for the guns and not the ammo. You could just barely manage to do it if you scaled it up to 70t, which would also net you a little more armor. Any ideas?
>>43474849
If I wanted to make it at least viable:
-drop the speed to 3/5
-Drop the MLs
-Add a ton of ammo
-Add half a ton of armor to round out the weight.
2 tons of ammo for 4 AC/5s isn't that great, but it still gives you ten rounds of shooting if you go full BRRRRT.
>>43475093
Alternately, drop half a ton of armor and add another ton of ammo. 15 rounds of BRRRRT. Like so:
Rifleman RFL-3N
IS TW non-box set
60 tons
BV: 863
Cost: 3,954,400 C-bills
Movement: 3/5
Engine: 180
Heat Sinks: 10
Gyro: Standard Gyro
Internal: 99
Armor: 112/201
Internal Armor
--------------------------------------
Center Torso 20 17
Center Torso (rear) 5
Right Torso 14 12
Right Torso (rear) 3
Left Torso 14 12
Left Torso (rear) 3
Right Arm 10 11
Left Arm 10 11
Right Leg 14 15
Left Leg 14 14
Weapon Loc Heat
----------------------------------------
AC/5 LA 1
AC/5 RA 1
AC/5 RA 1
AC/5 LA 1
Ammo Loc Shots
----------------------------------------
AC/5 Ammo CT 20
AC/5 Ammo CT 20
AC/5 Ammo HD 20
Equipment Loc
----------------------------------
Standard None
>>43475133
>AC/5 Ammo HD 20
>>43475093
Y'know, after contemplating the tiny Marauder BA, I think it would be interesting to see a tiny Rifleman BA.
>>43475184
I like to live dangerously.
>>43474833
>mfw we turn Hanse Davion into Exodia
Though really, I have no desire to tackle a card game. Ever. Unless it was writing fluff on the cards, in which case I'd seedBLAKE ELESIONeverywhere. Especially since my idea for chapter subdividing art was a slowly crumbling Terran street, with Blakist propaganda slowly encroaching on to the Republic posters on the walls.
>>43475133
>Right Leg 14 15
>Left Leg 14 14
>asymmetry without a purpose
REEEE
So I decided to go ahead and make a WRASSLEHOG protomech. It is Viking Shaped (of course), and uses the pretty much forgotten bipedal protomech melee weapon. The odd arm armor allocation is because the left arm has a barely-functional shield.
>>43475093
I read the scenario's special rules - all of the AC/5s appear to be one-shots, and it keeps the MLs. So kicking it back to 3/5 and using fractional accounting (for a half-ton of ammo) you could get away with it. It'd be shite, but then this IS people working for Janos Marik, who are literally on a beer run to a Star League cache.
Also: Found another canon franken - this one from Periphery 2e. Looks like a 'wacker missile launcher, a Wolverine body, a Wasp head, and maybe a cut-down Banshee LA. RA looks like it's supposed to be from an Assassin or an Enforcer, but that side torso is really weird. Maybe a Archer torso with the missiles cut out?
Question: If the Jihad never happened and the Blakists just kept building up, how many regiments would they have by 3085? 3145?
And how fast can they add MD?
Same for the FWL - the books said they were going to be adding two regiments a year for the foreseeable future, and then those regiments never showed up. What if they went by that info? Is there a "top-out" where they can't support any more formations?
>>43466282
You don't like your kid's legs or something?
>>43476090
Looks like a Stinger to head to me, Wasp's head is VF-1S based
>>43476514
>purple bird ascendant AU
YESYESYESYES
>>43476785
Well I ask because it is sort of a weird thing to overlook, but then...it is the FWL.
>>43476785
>not League of Blake
Anon pls
Are you ready to be SO BORED?
>>43477007
Too interesting. Remove the Small Cockpit and C3 slave to make it less interesting.
>>43476961
>implying the WoB Protectorate wouldn't join the FWL
>>43477165
>implying they would
Allies, but I don't think either side would be willingly sublimated.
>>43477477
No, you just don't understand. My obsessive love of the FWL means that any neighboring faction I like will totally jump at the chance to submit to our authority and petty infighting when even parts of our own faction want to succeed from the league!This is what FWL fans actually believe.
>>43477165
It'd be more interesting if Skye and St. Ives joined the Protectorate. Be a good way of continuing the "fingers up to the Succesor States" storyline with which the Jihad started.
>>43477760
>>43477756
On the other hand, there are plenty of places that want to be in the League. I forgot which worlds it was, but there were some on the Cappie border that were about to rebel over being given to the cappies if Isis and Sun Tzu got married.
Would be interesting if you had League enclaves scattered around, as minor powers (like St Ives, Azami, etc) join up, and the FWL as opposed to the other, centralized houses, is scattered all over.
Were the magistracy of canopus' secret fiat friends even identified? Or Is it still a case of "lord knows who loves liquor and whores so much, but they're still at it, even though we can't think of anyone with a plausible reason too"?
>>43477828
>and the FWL as opposed to the other, centralized houses
FWL NOT A HOUSE. MARIK BABY GO HOME. ANDURIEN FOR ANDURIENS!
what if the FWL responded to hanse's alliance request, and not the lyrans?
alternately, what would happen if BOTH the FWL and Lyrans responded?
>>43478731
Hanse marries Kristen Marik?
The two of them honeymoon on Sian, smashing Cap faces.
>>43478731
>alternately, what would happen if BOTH the FWL and Lyrans responded?
Politics
Sexy politics
>>43468396
yes.
>>43478731
>alternately, what would happen if BOTH the FWL and Lyrans responded?
hanse marries katerina, as in canon. victor and isis get married, but without any nonsense beforehand. kathrine is a regular guest in their bed, and the CapCon gets slapped around until it's roughly the size of the Magistracy.
the dracs hold on to a FRR-sized state by sheer bloodymindedness, and the clans get their shit utterly pushed in. the periphery sees that now is the time to fuck off. without Xin Sheng, the TC and MoC get busy throwing colonies out into the deep periphery rather than being dragged into IS bullshit, while the OA gets a chance to finally get their shit together.
Free Worlds Commonwealth stays stronk and free and we get a good end
>>43478824
>Free Worlds Commonwealth
You mean Free Suns Commonwealth, right? And you seem to have multiple time periods happening at once here. And at the same time assuming none of the other powers work together or act as though they have half a brain, and ignores the actual power of the clans (hint: They're still going to be shoving the IS's shit in). But hey, don't let that stop your fapfest.
>>43476090
>>43475093
>>43474849
Okay, Got it onto paper for reasons.
>>43479052
Mariks man.
>>43479071
Well, given that the entire mission consists of >not< blowing up a Vedette with an Archer and three beat-up Lights against three shitty Riflemen, an Ostscout, and some vees..
>>43479052
How many Crit slots does a rifleman have in its arms?
>>43476090
does this frankenmech have stats? Looks pretty cool
>>43479253
>does this frankenmech have stats?
Nope, working up a possible setup now.
>>43479213
>How many Crit slots does a rifleman have in its arms?
10, so the AC/5s fit in with room to spare. Gotta love them flippy arms.
>>43479310
>10, so the AC/5s fit in with room to spare.
Ah, so you have a Rifleman with a HAG 40 in each arm.
>>43479342
Yeah, you can do it with a Rifleman IIC, although you've got to dump the Ferro and give 'er an XL. That lets you get a pair of -40s, 21 rounds, and a pair of ER Micros.
I just came up with the perfect name for the Blaketech Proto Line, Homo Novis the next step in evolution; you heard about survival of the fittest? Guess what, we lost.
But seriously the Void-Sig 15 tonner would fit the name Dark One rather nicely, no? and the the other one might fit the name Tinder.
>"Wicked phenomenon, yes? But, you know, It's not anymore evil than say, fire. It all depends on your point of view. try to get a better understanding of things before you make your judgement."
Noob here
What's your guys opinion on the Avatar Omnimech?
It seem kinda cool to me, but I've yet to try using it in an actual game
>>43477007
Um, sir? There's a Mister Galahad calling on line one, he said something about a copyright infringement lawsuit?
>>43479932
It's pretty decent. A lot of people will probably give it shit because it hard mounts the CT MLs, but screw those people. It's more more good configs than bad ones, assuming you're restricting yourself to canon loadouts.
>>43480217
Which are the bad/trap configurations?
I found the AC/20+JJ ones interesting
>>43480217
A couple of medium lasers is almost never a bad thing anyway.
Do missiles hit all different locations or just one?
>>43480728
Depends on the launcher. SRMs roll per missile. LRMs and MRMs use 5 point clusters. I know they aren't missiles, but LBX Autocannons go by pellet. I think HAGs do too. Pretty sure Rocket Launchers also use 5pt clusters. Bear in mind that Streaks, which either hit with all missiles or don't fire at all, still roll locations for each missile that hits.
>>43480798
>I think HAGs do too
HAGs do 5 point clusters, the Silver Bullet Gauss rifle does single point hits like LBX though.
Also, post errata, flak ammo does its damage in 5 point groups.
>>43480798
What about RACs, RLTs and Mech Mortars?
>>43462572
>>43462557
>>43462388
The problem with it would be that it would be undergunned and too slow for a clan mech. I'd estimate its BV to be around 2000 or slightly lower, plus pilot tax, and at that cost, it'd be a pretty vulnerable investment.
If you do have air forces in-game, though, then it'd likely earn its points pretty quickly.
>>43478874
>Free Suns Commonwealth
That is an awesome name, dont care about the fluff
>>43465122
Poop. I'm in the same situation, although I'm writing near-future "real world mecha".
Assuming the new Colony Region never seceded, which area of space would make the best spot for a fronc reaches-style state?
>>43481446
Rocket launchers do 5 point damage clusters. Mech mortars do 1 point clusters, iirc. Rotary cannons do either 2 or 5 point clusters, depending on each or rac5. Each cluster hit location is rolled separately .
>>43480728
The only weapon I can think of that does multiple cluster hits to the same location is the machine gun array.
>>43484055
wait...MG arrays do all their damage to the same location?
Why am I not using them more then?
>>43484180
The drawback is that the array turns the mg's into a cluster weapon. But yeah, landing a head hit with a mga is fun.
>>43484277
Yeah just read up on it again. Hate that it turns it into a cluster weapon but still...hell of a way to crit seek.
>>43484329
BRRRRRRRRRRRT
>>43484329
I wish now that SAW had arrays implemented, along with all the other missing things of course, so that I could easily design up some fun sponson turret crit seekers
>>43469282
Haha. Classic BT developers.
I fucking hate those jar-headed tweaker spawn. The world would be better for it if they perished and left the franchise for someone with at least some communication skills.
I just had a really silly idea for a Franken; A Marauder with a Full Head Ejection System reworked from an Axeman, and maybe with some bits from a Bushwhacker and a Helios
Weapons would be the Helios's Gauss Rifle and the in the right arm, the Bushwhackers Large Laser and AC 10 in the left and an LRM 5 in each side torso.
>>43484686
Someone needs to actually bash a model of this together. Frankly i'd love to see more frankenmechs in general.
>>43484567
>Haha. Classic BT developers.
>I fucking hate those jar-headed tweaker spawn. The world would be better for it if they perished and left the franchise for someone with at least some communication skills.
You know that actually happened, right? Jim Nelson got the boot shortly thereafter. Say what you will about Randall, the man can actually talk to other human beings and give them instructions. From everything I've heard from the artists I know, Evans (the current AD) may be a crapper working on his own but he's actually pretty decent at his job.
>>43484780
Who's Jim Nelson?
>>43484686
That's actually a lot like a bandersnatch that I put together once, except it had a LBX
>>43480136
The Galahad at least has thinner armor and slow speed, as well as SHS. My design has nothing that could possibly raise anyone's pulse, two GRs hooked up to a C3 net with ECM will do that. it even mounts is gauss rifles on the torso for easier punching.
Jim was the art director for BT when FASA released TRO 3060 (the TRO wasn't even made by the "classic Battletech" devs). Randall was in charge for 3067. Evans is the current one.
>>43484837
He was the art director in charge of TRO 3060. The art direction and approval process on the TRO art was his responsibility.
>>43484894
>3060 wasn't done by the regular battletech crew.
This explains a whole lot
>>43484996
Well, it kinda was, sadly. It was one of FASA's last products before they went tits-up. "Classic" BT is what happened after some of the FASA guys and a couple fans put together a company to help support it after Jordan Weissman swan-dove out of an aircraft with the franchise back in the '00s.
>>43485474
>cicada salvaging hunchback.jpg
>cicada
Uhm.
>>43485474
m8, that's a Locust.
Combat Manual: Mercenaries beta is now available.
>>43486792
Does anyone here play Alpha Strike?
>>43486825
Yeah.
>>43486792
So what is this thing supposed to be anyway? Alpha Strike material or regular?
>>43487082
Seems like Alpha Strike material to me.
>>43487082
>>43487094
it has both, apparently
>>43486792
Link?
>>43487366
http://bg.battletech.com/news/news-and-announcements/combat-manual-mercenaries-beta-release/
>>43487149
From what i'm reading so far on the announcement page and the various distribution sites its a solely AS book though I would be pleased as punch if someone were to contradict me with solid evidence supporting the opposite.
>>43484767
Tried to get some people to post FrankenMechs a few threads ago but hardly anyone bit. I get the feeling we;d have a lot more on paper and a lot less minis. Not a whole lot of kitbashing goes on around here. Hell I'd take people posting current mini projects as well; I always like to see what people are working on in meatspace as far as minis and stuff go. I wonder if that guy who was working on the 3D terrain will ever give us another report on his progress with that.
>>43480976
Ah, it was SB Gauss that works like LBX, thank you.
>>43481446
RAC roll per round fired, on the appropriate cluster table. So if you fire 3 RAC/5 shots, you roll on the 3 missile table to see how many hit, then you roll to see where each one that does hit hits on the enemy 'Mech.
'Mech Mortars are a special case; the standard Shaped Charge rounds just hit like long range SRMs, nothing odd there. Airburst on the other hand attack hexes, not units, so they deal their full damage to everything in the hex, no cluster roll required. Damage is dealt in 1 point clusters so they are great crit seekers.
>>43487729
I'd be willing to show off current projects as they come up or near completion. I have in the past and not gotten a great deal of interest from it. Seems like if it isn't a super cool piece or something camospecs quality though people just aren't interested.
I'd also kitbash and make frankenmechs if I had parts to spare. As is i've only got one current frankenmech built and I haven't painted it yet though again if people are interested it can always be done.
>>43486792
I was going to complain they were selling another "beta" book, but then I realised that's actually the first time I see them doing marketing right.
Yeah, CGL. Congrats on this one.
Could somebody who has it mediafire the new book?
>>43488275
>Could somebody who has it mediafire the new book?
No, it's five bucks.
>>43488291
>being an ungrateful cheap bastard
download one, upload one
God hates buyfags
>>43488275
just a sec, uploading right now
>>43488351
Thanks buddy.
Shimmy, time to upload all these juicy illos on deviantart
http://www.mediafire.com/view/1b5jq3tyi8viycf/E-CAT3526XA_BattleTech_Combat_Manual_Mercenaries-BETA.pdf
>>43487729
>current mini projects
I'm reproducing the Recon Lance AS Lance Box minis for my shop, the Marik Militia ones. I've got two basically done but haven't done the Flea/Vulcan yet, because lazy.
>>43488001
>I have in the past and not gotten a great deal of interest from it.
I know this feel. I try too but as you say, people only want CamoSpecs quality, and even then they only really fawn over namefag projects (no offense to namefags, we are lucky to have predominantly tolerable and even helpful ones. its not your fault this place, even for its anonymity, is such a dickriding paradise).
>parts
I am lucky to have a bits box, and will be getting some minis soon to paint/bash so we'll see if I feel good enough about them to post them up when it happens.
>>43488711
Nice. Carry on minibro, I look forward to seeing the results.
>>43488656
>me playing MWO
It's so fun to kill enemies with quad machineguns on a Locust -1V. Even if it only happens rarely.
>>43488001
>I'd also kitbash and make frankenmechs if I had parts to spare
I seriously want to get into it, but I'm lame and bad at such things, so I haven't frankened anything together. I want to get a Schwerer Gustav built, but Jesus H. Davion I've yet to figure out how to.
>>43488656
Awesome anon, thanks
>>43488808
MY LITERAL NIGGA.
This was my favorite thing to do. My best match was 5 kills (have the achievement to prove it), one of which was a Stalker I killed solo. I used to just run off to the side of the map and wait for a few mins, then when I was sure everyone was engaged in the typical middle-of-the-map slugfest, I would run around back and go for the backstabs. It didn't always work, but when it did, hoo boy.
>>43488770
>Guess we gotta namefag then.
>>43489009
I got a Daishi that had gone AFK in his base. Solo kill on him. It was fucking hilarious.
>>43489078
My favorite victims were Gauss Jagers. Fucking victims, one and all.
Oh Shimmy...Those four full page full color pics in the CM:Mercs are simply glorious!
>>43488656
>reading Marshigama’s Legionnaires entry
JU-LEEEEEI
Question for the Alpha Strike Lance box owners, if there are any here: How well do they compare to the second gen Intro Box minis? I know the first gen ones were bad, but better than the old 3rd edition ones at least. And the second gen were a bit better, but are the box minis better than that even? Because if they are "blue resin box" grade then they will certainly be worth the scratch, otherwise eh, I'll just get metal.
>>43488656
Gentleman and a scholar sir.
>>43472194
Battletech: It Really Does Have Everything.
>>43489228
I just bought a alpha strike box today, so I can easily tell you that they're the same quality as the current introbox (the second gen one with the not-shit plastics). Given how little they cost compared to the metal ones, I think they're a pretty good deal even if you only want three of the four mechs in a lance pack.
>>43489138
Why she has a bleeding, vertical mouth?
>>43489615
Hm. I wonder if I should get some Lance Boxes now, or wait till the AS Intro Box comes out and get that, since it'll have a bunch of the new minis in it.
Thanks man, appreciate it.
So I got a Bloodhound mini today. The SRM pod has the thinnest attachment pylon I've ever seen, and the top part of the torso is as thin as an awesome's PPC barrel. I'm pretty sure it would have Narrow/Low Profile, No torso Twist, and Cramped Cockpit. If only I didn't fucking love the SSRM 6+3 ERML combination it uses...
Also, for some reason the metal bit that's lart of the leg mold has has a Kurita Icon and some very Japanese armor plates on it.
>>43489951
Holy crap that mini looks strange.
>leg mold
I wonder if there is a variant the DCMS uses that requires that? Though it makes me think of a joke regarding the Hatamoto-Chi not being a mini and instead being bits in the Charger kit.
That SSRM6 pod looks like it'd be a nice part for the bits bin though.
>Play a game where we pit our custom machines against each other, this is the first time either of us came close to an actual match.
>Other guy didn't put case in any of his designs.
On an unrelated note, ICE Mechs are hilarious
>>43490018
Nope, no DC variant. The Bloodhound has been a solidly FWL design for forever, though by the Dark Age it seems to be selling on the merc market as well, and both the WoB and RotS have gotten their hands on some of them. I am seriously considering putting the extra armor plates on one of the few DC mechs I have.My bloodhound is probably going to be painted as one the capellans salvaged, because I'm a dirty capfag and I love the design. It was mainly deployed on the cap border, so salvaging one is pretty plausible.
>>43489951
>>43490172
Yeah, the MUL/RAT probably backs you up too.
>>43462031
>The Kickstarter got all the funding edition.
The Kickstarter got all the fan missions too. That means a full Stackpole novel and a Battletech match of CGL versus HBS, losers shave their beards
>>43488807
Here's the Spider. It's done, except for the cockpit. Cicada will be the same way.
>>43488807
>>43491068
Cicada is here. I'm planning on doing the Flea/Vulcan over the next few days, probably for next week.
>>43488656
>That skinny fucking Shad.
A travesty of Dougram has been enacted this day. Also:
>It's still fucking AS.
Is there a way to add custom units yo the AtB RATs?
>>43487729
>I get the feeling we;d have a lot more on paper and a lot less minis.
While this is probably true, you still don't see much traction for one simple reason, making proper frankenmechs has to be done by hand, so it ain't happening much unless someone goes and cobbles a frankenmech out mechs that all weigh the same. Which is kinda boring.
>>43491068
>>43491084
Those are recasts? Not bad. Could use a wash/inking to make the low spots look more pronounced, but it's a table-worthy paint job otherwise.
>>43491576
Are there actual hard and fast rules for FrankenMeching? And truthfully, I was more referring to minis, where you chop shop several figs together into a new machine, and then just kit it out mostly using weapons from the salvaged designs, but paper is certainly easier so I made that prediction.
>>43491894
>Those are recasts? Not bad. Could use a wash/inking to make the low spots look more pronounced, but it's a table-worthy paint job otherwise.
No, they're literally pic related. Unless you mean something other than any way I've ever heard recast being used.
And they're not great, yeah. I'm mostly doing them for the display case at my FLGS to help drum up interest in BattleTech there. I want more people to know the game exists and is played.
>>43491894
>Are there actual hard and fast rules for FrankenMeching?
StratOps. The CT must be from the heaviest mech, as do the legs.
>>43492114
More specifically, the CT simply determines the actual weight of the frankenmech, the legs must be from something the same weight or heavier.
So has anyone made a design that uses Patchwork ABA armor to protect it's ammo bins and CT without adding the huge weight increase across the whole design? I know SSW doesn't do it right (At least when I last tried), but MML might do it correctly.
>>43489657
Lesbian nosebleed senpai
>>43487729
BattleTech players on the whole tend to be afraid of working with their miniatures. It's a boredgame at heart which is part of why many are afraid of the more miniatures based AlphaStrike.
>>43492114
Well I'm SOL, I don't have that book.
>>43492214
Hm. The frankenmini I have is illegal then; it uses the torso of a Catapult and the legs of a Marauder. That sucks.
>>43491946
Oh, I saw you use the word "reproducing" and took that to mean "recasting".
>>43492426
Shame, because I kitbash all the time. I love butchering minis to make new things, and using bits to mod stuff. Have some pirate 'Mechs that I bashed to all have hatchets, as an example.
>>43484396
The latest version of SSW does have them
>>43489951
>Bloodhound
ma nigga
>>43492268
>patchwork ABA
Why ABA specifically?
>>43492703
Protecting against AP-ammo spam?
>>43492426
Previous level b8.
>>43492703
But SAW doesnt have them.
>rolling up a Marik Assault lance using the TW RAT
>3 Awesome -9Ms led by a Albatross -3U
AW YISS
PURPLE BIRD STRONK
>>43492703
>Why ABA specifically?
Protects the bins/gyro/engine against AP ammo, TC SRMs, Lances, and TACs. Not really useful for the weight over an entire mech, but could be useful on something with a huge pile of ammo to help protect against losing it before the armor's breached. Non-ammo bits can just be armored, but ammo bins have no way to protect them.
>>43492628
>Hm. The frankenmini I have is illegal then; it uses the torso of a Catapult and the legs of a Marauder. That sucks.
No, its perfectly legal. Like I said, legs can be from CT weight or heavier, so 75 ton Marauder legs on a 65 ton Catapult torso are fine, it's the other way around that wouldn't work.
>>43492703
>>Bloodhound
>ma nigga
Huh, I expected you to be upset that I'm going to paint it up as one the capellans salvaged. I guess your appreciation of FWL designs is greater than your hatred of the Caps.
>>43492798
Oh, well I was also looking at what CA said about the CT needing to be from the heaviest 'Mech, but I guess that's kinda superseded by the leg thing. Hooray for me.
Meanwhile, I'll just leave this here. Came into some spare free time tonight so I was able to finish it. Expect another Clan one soon as I am able.
>>43493870
now this I can fap to
>>43488656
Are those purple burd ganging up on a dragoon? Nice! Kick those mary-sues!
>>43493992
>Dragon
What
That's a Cataphract. How do you mistake the two?
>>43494100
I think he's referring to Wolf's Dragoons. Who didn't tend to use a green and red color scheme like that, or Cataphracts. I am still confused here.
>>43493992
>>43494150
I'm guessing that's a Cappie Cataphract. There are a couple units it could be. Renshield's Dragoons is a possibility, but the green looks off. Shimmy will probably tell you if he drops in.
>>43494416
Except Shimmy didn't do that art.
>>43479310
>rifleman
Ant sized because no larger one exists.
>>43494416
If the book wasn't set pre-invasion, I'd say that looks like a Capellan March Cataphract during Guerrero. Definitely Free World's Guards for the locusts, what with the lack of green accents that would indicate the Legionnaires.
>>43494488
maybe it's from the Andurien crisis? did they keep their mechs purple? I can't remember
