Messi BTFO
Confirmed to being sentenced to 21 months in prison for tax fraud. Along with his father
Holy shit, its real.
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/07/06/actualidad/1467801565_113121.html
Gas the likes race war now
JUST
And they talk about Ronaldo...
>it's real
>Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak
>#LionelMessi and his father have been sentenced to 21 months in jail for tax fraud but won't serve a prison sentence under Spanish law
Is Spanish law pretty much he's too important to go to jail?
>suspended because it's under 2 years
he basically got away with it then
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is he, dare I say it, finished?
>>69284654
>>69284729
Prosecutors confirmed Real Madrid supporters. However, Messi will most likely be taken to a white collar prison and be separated from most, if not all, the prison occupants due to his high profile or not serve at all. Imagine you just sent Messi to prison only for him to be murdered by some die hard Valencia supporter.
>It's fucking real
H I S T O R I C A L T H R E A D
is barca this fucking big that they can charge him, but not jail him?
>>69284729
Pretty much.
Everyone else would go to jail if they did what he did.
Anyways this is not good for him.
Hitler will rise again
>no actual prison time
So what does this mean then? Can he still play football? Can he still leave the country for CL games?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>Spanish football isn't shady at all
Nearly Italy tier.
memes nigger trump 2016 im a faggot
>>69284654
TOP
FUKING
KEK
>>69284791
Lucky he also has Spanish citizenship so they can't suddenly deport him in the middle of a match.
STICKY WHEN?!
>>69284729
Spanish here. I don't know the laws in other country, but in Spain it works as follows: if you don't have criminal records, you won't go to jail if you get a sentence of less than 2 years. So when there are cases like this (that is, somebody with no criminal records like Messi) the lawyers in general will be able to achieve a sentence below 24 months (kek at those cheeky 21 months).
In any case it's quite common. For regular people with everyday "normal" crimes it happens, usually judges are not assholes.
So yes, even if he is Messi and he is filthy rich, it's a common thing to go under 24 months for the first sentence.
>>69284791
Means if he does it again he will go to prison, otherwise nothing happens
BTFO
T
F
O
Looks like his record is quite... messy
>>69284841
Thanks, this is helpful
So this means he's done, right?
>>69284729
>>69284770
No. In the spanish jurisprudence the norm is usually that if you have been sentenced to prision under two years and you dont have previous sentences or criminal antecedents, you are exempt to serve in prision.
>>69284752
It`s a parole sentcense guys. you all can stop overreacting.
>Spanish court sentences Barcelona soccer star Lionel Messi to 21 months in prison, fines him 2 million euros for three tax crimes
JUST
Are you faggots aware that if the sentence is less than two years long and he has no criminal record he doesn't go to jail, right? Are you all fucking children?
>>69284866
It's just a slap on the wrist
>>69284885
>Are you all fucking children?
>Asking this on /sp/
wew what do you think, the memes are important
>>69284761
the law is equal for everyone (in theory)
no one would go to jail for this
>>69284791
it means literally nothing
he paid a fine and that's it
>>69284885
>are you aware of this weird court system in my country?
>Messi gets punished more than Hillary
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK THIS GAY EARTH
>>69284885
>we are children if we don't know everything about an otherwise irrelevant country's legal system
>>69284885
how is any ''adult'' not into law or how shit works on your country going to know that manolo chill the fuck out
>>69284841
Thanks bud
>>69284885
>aren't you aware of our joke law system?
No.
Daily reminder that taxation is theft
>>69284908
>tf
>tp
>>>/apehood/
>under 24 month
>suspended sentence
>wont actually serve time
>wowitsfuckingnothing
i like TSUUUUU more but this is a fucking non story
>>69284895
>>69284906
>>69284908
>>69284917
What I mean is that if he was really going to prison everyone would be freaking out
this is literally nothing
So he misses the next game. Big deal.
>Messi's father has also been sentenced for the same period of time. Lionel fined €2m and sentences can be appealed.
>sentences can be appealed.
>sentences can be appealed.
>>69284908
>>69284917
>>69284923
Suspended sentences for first time offenders and/or small offenses are a thing in a lot of countries, not just Spain.
>>69284935
What's the point of sentencing people to prison if they don't actually go?
Fucking retarded
>>69284908
>In the United States, it is common practice for judges to hand down suspended sentences to first-time offenders who have committed a minor crime, and for prosecutors to recommend suspended sentences as part of a plea bargain. They are often given to mitigate the effect of penalties.
L E O D I D N O T H I N G W R O N G
>>69284928
>shit you beat my argument
>y-yeah his flag is wrong
Flag posting is the weakest argument you can make
>>69284949
Millions on tax fraud isnt a minor crime...
Its a discharged sentence dummies
>>69284947
You don't go to prison but's something that hangs over your head. If you commit another offense you will do time for said offense + the time from the previous suspended sentence.
>>69284947
are you all fucking manchildren?
>>69284946
it's baffling how little you know about the world
What a cunt though, what's the point in committing tax fraud when you're a multi millionaire regardless through club wages and brand endorsement?
We have something like that here too, depends on the crime, but under 2 years you probably get a fine, and suspended time. I think the ideia is to reduce prison populations to be less of a burden in the system and serve as a warning.
>>69284968
Can you fucking read Pedro?
>>69284959
a less than 2 year sentence is a minor crime
>>69284947
It just means Messi spent his get out of jail free card and needs to be careful now
>>69284946
the more you know
>>69284968
are you the same fucking guy who did the Boateng thread the other day?
APOLOGIZE TO RONALDO!!!
Would've been fun.
>>69284977
I was showing the australian your post, not answering to you, sorry
>>69284968
>getting asspained when asked about your country's legal system
Sorry I'm not an expert on the third world
>messi knows he'll be convicted
>quits NT in an attempt to soften the blow
>doesn't actually have to serve shit
>rejoins NT
messi is an autistic super criminal
>>69284984
what? no
what happened to boateng?
>>69284654
>Tsuunaldo wins again
>Suspended sentence
>>69284991
good to know australia is a third world shithole too then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspended_sentence#Australia
>>69284991
>In Australia, suspended sentences are commonly imposed in order to alleviate the strain on overcrowded prisons. For example, an individual may be sentenced to a six-month jail term, wholly suspended for six months; if they commit any other offence during that year, the original jail term is immediately applied in addition to any other sentence.
JUST
Barcelona is finished
>>69285022
It won't have any effect unless he does it again.
>>69284907
What did you expect? She's basically the female version of Putin.
In the US, they don't even bother indicting famous people. Why is Spain so backwards?
He doesn't have to serve any time, this is just a stern warning from the Spanish government
ahahahaha
>stupid click bait news site that lost all their journalistic integrity tell me that Messi goes to prison
>check out /sp/ to see the banter
>find out it's a suspended sentence according to Spanish law
What a world is this where imageboards are a better news source than actual news sites.
>>69284654
HOLY SHIT
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
he did nothing wrong. taxation is criminal. fucking jews
>>69285008
>>69285010
and this is the intelligence of the average Australian
I guess that's what happens when most of your ancestors were criminals
>>69284841
Thanks legal hermano.
>>69284970
>>69284946
Same in Germany. Law student here.
>>69285010
>a country ruled and build by criminals came up with this
What a surprise
he'll be fine
>>69285061
Click baiting is an art form.
I saw an headline a few days ago that read "German Maddie found"
>>69285079
bestimmt in >marburg, Mehmet?
>Rich
>Doing tax evasion
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ONE OF US
MESSI IS NOT GOING TO SERVE PRISON TIME
>>69284841
that's... actually a pretty legit way to do that
gj Spain, 10/10 sentencing structure would pee in a cup for you
>>69285101
Uli Hoeneß did nothing wrong.
He wont go to prison because its less than 24 months
Spanish law folks
Doesn't Dani Alves still owe Spain over 1M in taxes?
>>69285107
HE STILL GOT SENTENCED
he's not going to jail, but really, what a stupid fucking piece of shit
>>69285113
Neither did Messi. Although he's going to be MVP again as in Most Valuable Prisoner.
>>69285120
SENTENCE DOES NOT MEAN SHITE
>>69285089
Haha that was in JN! I remember that one
>>69284949
>In Spain, if it's less than two years and you haven't committed other crime it's automatically probation
Are you retarded? Those are two completely different ways of doing things. Your point is stupid and you should feel bad, oh mighty legal scholar who knows all about every single country's justice system
> Make fake tax forms
> Avoid paying milions in taxes
> Get caught
> Tap on the shoulder from the judge + cosmetic sentence + "Don't do it again lad, but you're free to go"
And Spaniards wonder why their country has no economy
>>69285137
IT MEANS HE HAS CRIMINAL RECORD NOW
>>69285124
Not defending him, if you fraud, you should get punished.
But do you honestly believe Lionel Autismo Messi was doing his taxes himself? Or was even aware that his father was moving money around?
>>69285120
and now he'll have that conviction on his record. he's never going to be able to get a job after this. his life is over desu
>>69285074
Roads
>>69285154
Doesn't he need to pay back what he owes?
>>69285155
SO WHAT HE CAN STILL TRAVEL AROUND AND SHIT
Why are people so surprised that he wont spend a day in prison? I thought this was common pretty much everywhere, first time offenders serving their sentence on the outside that is, plus he is rich.
>>69285154
...it seems gabachos can't read, that law is no a exclusivity from here. Less than 2 years isn't a major crime and so he's not going to jail.
>>69285155
"""""criminal"""" nice try jewgypsy
>conveniently sentenced a couple months under 2 years
lel
>>69285096
Nothing wrong with Marburg.
>>69285154
>Mishandle classified information using unsecured private email server
>Get caught
>Others are convicted for much less
>Not even indicted
And Americans wonder why their country is going to complete shit
>>69285179
Well normally if you'd have a criminal record you couldnt enter countries like the USA, but since he's rich and famous, ye nothing will happen
>>69285189
No, if you evade taxes you're the jew.
Remember lelbertarian.
>>69285186
>Less than 2 years isn't a major crime and so he's not going to jail.
I can literally molest women and get sentenced for a cheeky 15 month and not go to jaill
kek nice one Spain
>>69285154
he paid back everything he had to pay
>>69285053
THANK YOU SMUG SANCHEZ
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
>>69285205
>I can literally molest women and get sentenced for a cheeky 15 month and not go to jaill
what makes you think you would get 15 months? If the judge thinks you have to go to jail, you will go
>>69285205
Nice reading comprehesion and nice comparison, la. Didn't expect less from chicanos
THE MESSI IS GOING TO JAIL BUT AT THE SAME TIME ISNT GO TO JAIL THREAD
2bh if i was filthy rich id do the same, fuck the country taking my money away
>>69285206
Still a shitty system. I mean, worst case they catch you and you just pay it back.
>Spain sends Messi to prison
>Catalonia says "nope get fucked"
>World war III starts
So close
>>69285230
2bh I will do it on Spain cause I can get a <20 month sentence and cuck their judicial system
>>69285199
Because computer-illiterate grandma > Hitler II.
>>69285232
how do you do it in Germany? I reckon it must be way better than ours
>>69284885
>Are you aware that in my shit hole country we don't have a good justice system?
No we're not but it should probably come as no surprise to us when you also have state mandated doping
>>69284654
So now that it has been officially aknowledged by the law of a sovereign country, can we say he's a literal fraud?
>>69285236
These always crack me up
My favorite is "Mind ur feet"
>>69285236
stop picking on me gypsyanon RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>69284654
>sentenced for jail
>but not going to prison
what does this even mean. is he going to be on probation for the two years will be he watched by the a police figure 24/7 can he leave the country to play in tournaments
>>69285230
This is especially true for britain and socialist euros who tax 90%
>>69285253
did you know your country does the same?
>Suspended sentences
>When a court imposes a custodial sentence of between 14 days and two years (or six months in the magistrates’ court), the court may choose to suspend the sentence for up to two years. This means that the offender does not go to prison immediately, but is given the chance to stay out of trouble and to comply with up to 12 requirements set by the court.
>>69285253
Suspended sentences are also a thing in Britain fucko.
>sentenced to prison
>doesn't actually have to go to prison
What the fuck, why bother with a suspended sentence? An average joe would be forced to serve it out.
>>69285249
You can go to prison for tax fraud. See Uli Höneß (Bayern's former Manager). His fame and popularity didn't save him from prison.
>>69285265
it means nothing
just a warning, if he does it again he goes to jail
>>69285281
>>69285284
not for every single fucking court case
>>69284702
The new Argentinean Government is Jew-Friendly.
>>69285232
Indeed, game theory suggests that what Messi did was correct.
>>69285241
I look forward to her running this country into the fucking ground.
>>69285262
I like the one where the aussie says "I'll fuckin nip ya"
>>69285265
Reminder that the guy who raped children at the old Maple Leaf Gardens was sentenced to little more than two years
>>69285262
I got like 5 of these, love them
>>69285253
This is what happens when you don't know the law of your own country. You make embarrasing posts.
>>69285265
Means if he gets caught again he will serve time for suspended sentence + the new offense.
If he doesn't commit any crime he will just keep living exactly the same as before, except he now has a record. But I think suspended sentences get erased from your record after some time.
>>69285253
PART TIME DENTISTS
>>69285305
I do know the law of my country and you can go to jail for a first time offence which is what you absolute fucking down syndrome cretins fail to understand
>>69285232
>>69285249
It's pretty much the same (we copy everything from Austria/Germany). Judges never want to sentence someone to prison (unless it's something horrible like murder, child abuse etc) so people with a clean record are protected in some ways. It's the same with some pub owner, if he doesn't pay his taxes his pub gets closed until he does (and maybe some extra on what he owed). Richer people shouldn't be punished more and 1-2 years of conditional prison is fair. After all most regular people pay their taxes even though they struggle in life so it's disgusting when rich people who can, don't do it.
>>69285249
If your name is Uli Hoeneß you pay the money back, go into a 5 star prison or a year and a half, and only have to sleep in that prison. rest of the day you are free to walk around the city and even do a job.
>>69285265
It means you have a criminal record of 21months. You won't serve it because it's a non violent crime, no prior criminal record and the sentence is less than 2 years.
Next time Messi gets caught he will actually serve jail time.
For now he already paid back all his tax money plus the fine.
>>69285316
You can doesn't mean you will.
>courts conveniently give Messi only 21 months instead of tacking on three more
>>69285230
You are scum
>>69284654
LOLOLOLOLLOLLOLL
>goes to to country that provides its health treatments
>become rich off its people
>they love your art
>DONT PAY TAXES TO HELP THE COUNTRY THAT FUCKING GAVE YOU NEARLY EVERYTHING
>i know most taxes are rip offs but its spain so its obviously not going to bullshit liken the military in the usa.
>people somehow think this is okay.
>fucking sheep
EVEN IF HIS DAD IS THE ONE WHO DID ALL THIS,. HIS LITTLE AUTIST ASS SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
>>69285290
not really, law is equal for everyone in non-third world countries like yours
>>69285328
That's wholly irrelevant the point is you don't get total immunity for a first time offence provided you can negotiate the sentence down
>>69284946
>>69284968
So that's why rape by refugees is so popular in your countries.
Basically a "free rape for every new refugee" offer.
Really makes you think...
>>69285321
Uli Hoeneß did nothing wrong.
>>69285316
oh, you can here too
it depends on the judge, and the gracity of your crime
did they drop you when you were a baby?
>European "justice system"
The worst thing is :
> You steal from the government
> The government doesnt care "the first time"
Its so beautiful its like political cuckolding
>>69285290
>An average joe would be forced to serve it out.
Literally every third pub/restaurant evades taxes and none of the owners end in prison. They just pay what they owe or lose their business.
>>69285344
>i know most taxes are rip offs
I stopped reading right here
>>69285359
That's not what you 3rd world cretins were saying earlier if you actually bothered to take 2 seconds to read the comment chain you fucking moron
>>69285321
so it's the same as here then?
>>69285361
you know it's a thing in croatia too, right?
>>69285365
This.
Could you imagine everyone going to jail over this shit?
Messi just cucked Spain bahahahaha
What a shit country
>>69285194
This. It's par of the course when it comes to these things.
>>69285354
You don't either in Spain, it depends on the offense.
>>69285356
See above, also I wouldn't be surprised if Italy also has suspended sentences, it's a pretty common thing.
big corps don't pay taxes cuz they're based in ireland why does my father has to pay 78% taxes and up reeeeeee
>>69285356
are you stupid? you always go to prison for a violent crime like rape or murder, we are not scandinavia
>>69285367
LOL
I'm talking about in context of the usa, I bet you have 0 idea how the taxes ou pay are distributed.
about 60% of taxes go to bullshit things like defence and corporate subsidies.
Basically the goverment takes your money to keep the corporations alive so they can continue to enslave you
>>69285390
>You don't either in Spain, it depends on the offense.
then why didn't he say that instead of saying everyone with a prison sentence lower than 24 months gets off scot free you fucking cretin
I want to know facts not riddles
>>69285399
d-delete
>>69285392
19 out of 20 of the biggest corps in Portugal are based in Holland to pay less taxes senpai
>>69285365
> Evading a couple hundred/thousand bucks is the same as evading milions
Ok lad
>>69285392
That's what places like panama are for.. if you're rich of course
>>69285381
I know very well. That's why I said European.
>>69285370
actually, I think you have a reading comprehension problem, you can't even understand your own language
Holy shit he may not serve time, but he's literally got a criminal record now! Lel
>>69285392
at least youll never rot or die because youre poor.
>this still happens in "1st" world countries
>>69284841
so the opposite of American judges that ruin people's lives for people with no past record.
>>69285297
I think suspended sentences are more oriented towards white collar crime
>>69285410
How the fuck are Dutch taxes lower than Portugal's?
>>69285416
No the reality is you and your 3rd world fucking degenerate friends are all illiterate so you're incapable of providing clear and concise facts so instead resort to posting deliberately ambiguous statements and riddles because you haven't got the slightest clue about the situation yourself
>>69285416
Why are you so fucking angry?
>>69285405
well, because if you have done something worth of going to prison, they give you more than fucking 24 months, judges actually know the law
>>69285356
In most European countries it only works for sentences up to 2 years. So if you punch someone in the face and give him a small bruise you won't end up in prison (unless it's not your first time and it wasn't in self-defense etc). If you rape someone and you previously fought in war, got 16 medals of honor, got a Nobel prize for piece, found a cure for cancer... you will still end in prison.
>>69285405
Maybe you should look it up yourself instead of waiting to be spoonfed information on a Chinese cartoon forum.
>>69285447
I'm not angry at all, this guy, on the other hand... >>69285443
>>69285411
It literally is, same % of what they earn.
>>69285399
Hey Pablo, calm down and go help your cousins build the wall.
>>69285392
78% as in -Seventy Eight fucking percent-? what the shit?
>>69285441
Because they need the money? The US has the highest taxes on corporations on planet Earth but most lefties don't realize this and think corporations pay nothing.
>>69285458
Maybe I don't give enough of a fuck about what the judicial system is in a 3rd world country so if you want to post this irrelevant shit on this board maybe you should fill in all the details for people if you actually want them to give a fuck about your thread
>>69285447
He's a moor manlet, why wouldn't he be?
>>69285425
we're literally poor as fuck famo. we have to look at prices in the supermarket and shit. i wanna die bruh family member
>>69285468
No corporation pays the actual rate. The effective rate is ~11%.
>>69285441
Because Portugal is a socialist Hellhole...
>>69285475
You give enough of a fuck to get surprisingly angry about it on a footie board, you would have saved yourself time and blood pressure with about 30 seconds of googling shit.
>>69285464
you have more in common with them than us
>>69285441
it's a weird argument that we need the money ( that's true), but at the same time its suffocating businesses and the people
>>69285489
Or you could just say so yourself instead of getting mad because no one gives enough of a fuck to take the time to learn what the judicial system is in an irrelevant shit hole country that's incapable of sustaining itself
Spanish judges confirmed for buttmad penaldo fanboys.
>>69285468
Canada has very low corporate taxes but it still doesn't help attract American companies. We're also 10% of your population so that's also discouraging.
>>69285482
yeah man i know the feel, espeically since i wasnt always "poor"
only this year i became super sick so i lost everything and just live off the3 help from insurance
>having to "save" 25 dollars for the last week of food before aid comes
>i rather be a wage slave again than live like this but i cant now
pic related
>>69285488
Every single fucking thing is taxed to shit here.
I love when they come up with explanations.
>green tax
>copyright tax
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>69285405
>>69285475
>>69285505
Mad af, take your pill lad
>>69285488
In fact, Portugal is such a socialist hell hole that the tax payer is the one supporting the state which in turn supports itself and the myriad of leeching bureaucrats.
>>69285468
you do realize they all find loopholes and "legally" not pay most of that right?
>people like you actually believe what politicians say, what biased "data" says.
>you dont look around you.
>>69285518
>The bag tax
Kills me everytime
>>69285454
peace*
>>69284905
>no one would go to jail for this
Laughable. Most people would have gotten more than 2 years for that.
Reus did something equivalent in Germany when he drove for years without having a license. His sentence was just below the threshold if him getting a criminal record.
>>69284841
it's p. similar here in brazil
>>69285505
I'm not at mad at all, as you can see by the fact that I refrained from calling you a stupid idiot for this long. But of course, just as you're unable to look for basic information yourself, you're also completely incapable of common sense. That's quite tragic friendo.
>>69284943
Are you 10? Appeals are a part of every legal system, doubt they will though
What the fuck is wrong with this Britlard? Does he really think Spain and France are shitholes compared to the UK? Take a walk around Madrid, Paris and London and then we talk, la
>>69285526
The 25th of April was a mistake... we should have remained a dictatorship. The portuguese are lazy bums that only function well when told what to do.
>>69285377
Only if you are rich, famous. The average joe will be sued if he pays just one euro of taxes too late.
>/sp/
Specialists in Prison
>>69285529
they will introduce the anime tax for NEET weebs.
>>69285515
nah im literally sending your my energy get well bruh
>>69285549
>ESP - Extreme Specialists in Prison
>>69285549
well most American athletes wind up in prison for something be it drug offense or murder.
>>69285529
>529 â–¶
>>>69285518
>>69285518
>>69285501
having nothing isnt fun but trust me your poor has it WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER than america's poor.
stop complaining, you may never rot to death because youre poor in portugal (if you get the right help ofc, ive seen docs on your systems)
>>69285535
Law isn't basic information though is it you cretin otherwise people wouldn't have to devote years and years to learning it
>>69285549
There are probably a couple of law students (me included) here and most people know some stuff about criminal law in their countries. Also Spain judicial system and criminal law is similar to most others in Europe.
>>69285549
>/sp/ - Suspended Punishment
>>69285547
>The average joe will be sued
messi hot sued too
would the average joe go to jail?
>>69285498
That's why they speak spanish and look like angry midgets just like you, Rodriguez.
Please kill yourself, you abort.
>>69285482
you have more safety nets for poverty than the US. its totally acceptable to wind up homeless in the US. In Europe its only gypsies but here you will see any race walking down streets especially ones that connect to highways asking for change.
>>69285556
danke, das ist ein schone arsch
Im starting to get better but my career is gone and have to restart once im fine again.
HEY AT LEAST IM NOT HOMELESS OR DEAD LIKE SO MANY IN THIS FUCKING COUNTRY.
>>69285482
>>69285515
be strong bros
>>69285529
We got to bring our own bags now over here
How is Spain even a country? What did they ever do in history apart from getting raped by arabs?
>>69285589
>you abort
you should start taking English classes Giuseppe
perhaps then you will stop sounding like fucking Mario
>>69285596
ty chile bro
>>69285568
As a matter of fact, something you can find out about in under a minute online is really quite basic.
>>69285526
>>69285542
Feel like reading the entire thing now, desu
>>69285612
?
You're a fucking illiterate human abort, Pablo.
As in: you, are, an, abort, Paco.
>>69285515
I managed to get out of poverty but I still keep my savings habits and always looking for deals. The only thing I truly regret is not being able to afford sports when I was younger. I look at friends who had privileged parents and got them all the way to AAA hockey, and I'm just so damn jealous.
>>69285596
Sauce
However, neither man is expected to serve time in jail.
Under the Spanish system, prison terms of under two years can be served under probation.
>>69285612
>t. Achmed Al Yusef, proud spanish citizen
Hahahah
Holy shit it's real lads!
Also Messi to Buyern is pretty much confirmed at this point, there is no professional football club in Europe more dedicated to convicts.
>>69285639
hockey is a rich kid sport here too.
>>69285632
That's fantastic news I wasn't aware that all it took to become well versed in law was to spend 1 minute searching about it on google I can't wait to start my career as a lawyer
>>69284943
>implying legal appeals are unusual
Do you know anything about anything fellow c/uk/?
>>69285606
Hello? Can someone explain?
>>69285515
I feel bad for you mate. Being a NEET in France is comfy as fuck.
>>69285639
you can still do sports now if you have time
im sure there are adult leagues where you live (unless you live somehwere its not possible ) since i live in murica and there are plenty of adult soccer clubs around me
>>69284865
>>69284922
>>69285078
>>69285110
>>69285437
You're welcome sempais. I know the meme would be big if Messi was buying off Spanish judges not to go to jail, but welp.
>>69285582
Sorry i meant sentenced to prison for more than 5 years
>>69285321
Every German prison is five star hotel tbf.
>>69285612
>>69285638
Mfw Italians get a cool meme name like Giuseppe and all we get is t. Alberto
>>69285637
Don't tsunon... you'll be swallowing the redpill without knowing it and after that there's no turning back.
>>69285672
if you are a NEET in france you are lazy. they pay you to go to school. i wish we did that here.
>>69285664
>one little aspect of law that is common to most countries in the developed world
>versus being well versed in law
You really are fucking stupid.
>>69285606
They uncucked themselves with the reconquista
>>69285672
ty bro I know you guys actually care about your people. I was lucky i had health insurance and failsafes to ensure i didnt end up homesless.
>millions of people get my situation and have nopthing to rely on.
>MILLIONS.
>best country in the world
>MURICA
>>69285684
>t. Alberto Barbosa
Btw Alberto is an italian name too, Raul.
>>69285696
Tax evasion isn't a small aspect of law otherwise anyone could have been a lawyer for Messi
>>69285154
>gets caught
>pays money owed
>pays large fine on top
Seems a decent deal for the Spanish economy.
>>69285698
>recuquista
ftfy tb h fa m
>>69285692
Of course I'm lazy, I wouldn't be a NEET otherwise, duh.
>>69285230
The thing is, Messi won't be the only involved in this sort of thing. It's incredibly common.
>>69285698
More like the recuckuista lmao
>>69285709
My cousin is a Raul and looks like jesus
>>69285645
Nora Isabel Stadler
he'll just bail himself out
>>69285321
There are no 5 star prisons, just regulars.
He got time partlyy because his case was of public interest, as a signal to society.
But because he is a first time offender and well integrated in society and a well behaved prisoner he got !after some time ! easier prison rules. Like everyone with a good social projection will get.
That means generally more thrustworthy jobs in the prison and after some time even the possibility to work outside of prison. You cannot just walk around all day outside of jail and enjoy your time. Out of prison time is generally dependent of your job and you need to be back in your cell as soon as possible after work is over. There are exceptions, but they are for single days only and on a case by case base.
And if you comply to everything and are a nice guy all around you will probably get an early release, lioke hoeness did. That is just parole , like in almost all other countrys.
>>69285591
I've lived in Toronto and traveled to Europe, every country has beggars, even Norway.
Try to tone down your "US is bad/Europe is good" pitch.
>>69285596
who dat
>>69284982
>a less than 2 year sentence is a minor crime
kek
>>69285738
Thanks
>>69285713
Plus they don't spend money treating Messi like a king in "jail"
>yfw Messi knew he was gonna be convicted and that's why he did all those disgusting tattoos
>Barca will let a criminal play for them
Truly more than a club
>>69285638
coglionazzo
aborto in inglese si dice abortion non abort, lo spagnolo ha ragione
bella risposta però kek
>>69285712
>talking about suspended sentences in general
>muh tax evasion
The fuck are you on about? Was your mom sucking on a bottle during the whole pregnancy?
>>69285786
>Cavani trying to explain what just happened
Funniest part
>>69285721
Both iker casillas and xavi alonso were found guilty of the same crime, and at the same time, but the government simply made a deal with them, they paid and it was all over without any publicity or trial. Or ronaldo's mother getting caught in an airport with 50k€ of undeclared money with no consequences.
I guess justice is really blind in spain and didn't see any of that shit happening outside catalonia
>>69285786
The funny thing is that Cavani did absolutely nothing here and the referee is a retard for believeing the sack of shit who drops down for no reason.
>>69285786
>Ref instantly goes apeshit
>>69285744
>disregard that he played on time that the swiss deal with the tax data would happen
>disregard the "Selbstanzeige" was way too late
>disregard that he tried to fool the court with this little stunt
>disregard that you suck cocks
>every FCB Fan
>Uli ist unschuldig
>Amigo Bayern
>t. Seehofer
>>69285791
Coglionazzo pls
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abort
Ma chi cazzo se ne frega comunque.
>>69285796
So sentencing is a simple area too that's good to know I heard judges get paid more than lawyers so maybe I'll become one of those instead
>>69285823
Ja, ja, a Hund is' er scho.
Preußen BTFO.
>>69285542
>The portuguese are lazy bums that only function well when told what to do.
This is absolutely true in my case.
I'm incredibly lethargic.
Should have gone to the army or something to build discipline
>>69284654
It says that he probably won't go to jail though.
>>69285786
Copa America has the shittiest fucking refs
>>69285830
>I need someone to explain to me in great detail why fiscal fraud is treated differently than assault or rape when it comes to sentencing
Don't you have a sister to impregnate?
>>69285316
>I do know the law of my country and you can go to jail for a first time offence which is what you absolute fucking down syndrome cretins fail to understand
You can go to jail for a 1st time offence in Spain you fucking mong. If a judge decides it's worthy of jail time he or she will simply hand down a sentence in excess of 2 years.
Very few 1st time offenders serve jail sentences in the UK unless the crime is considered particularly serious or the perpetrator is considered a threat to other members of the public or themself.
Holy shit - I bet you voted Leave.
>>69284654
Manlets, when will they learn?
>>69285854
He won't, as anybody with no priors sentenced to less than two years
>>69285871
>You can go to jail for a 1st time offence in Spain you fucking mong. If a judge decides it's worthy of jail time he or she will simply hand down a sentence in excess of 2 years.
>If a judge decides it's worthy of jail time he or she will simply hand down a sentence in excess of 2 years.
Do you ever read the comment chain or do you just like to feel you're intelligent for 2 seconds?
>>69285863
>>I need someone to explain to me in great detail why fiscal fraud is treated differently than assault or rape when it comes to sentencing
Clearly you have a gift that most other people don't hopefully you can get a job as a judge some day
>Neymar was recently fined almost £40m by a Brazilian court for evading tax on his sponsorship deals
>Javier Mascherano received a 12-month prison sentence for tax avoidance but also avoided serving time
>40m fine
>pays it off like its nothing
>yfw Neymar is next
>>69285897
shut up nigel youre an inbred barbaric islander that doesnt even deserve to post here
>>69285411
It is - If everybody committed the crime then the money lost in taxes from everyday average earners would exceed that of the incredibly wealthy individuals.
>>69285897
but he >>69285871 is right
>>69285241
You have to understand, /pol/ had a lot invested in this, they are very dissapoint.
>>69285938
I never said anything to the contrary you are yet another example of someone who doesn't read the comment chain
>>69285925
The neymar case is closed, they struck a deal last week
>>69285967
that's anticlimactic t.bh
>>69285910
>Clearly you have a gift that most other people don't
Typing "suspended sentences [country]" is indeed a task that you and your likes can only hope to ever be able to tackle, but don't give up!
>>69285964
I was part of your "comment chain"
you are just a moron
>>69286003
No you're just illiterate sorry to break the news to you
>>69285987
That's because you are a nigger
Looks like he's missing penalties again lads
>>69285988
Just did that and found none of the intricacies of Spanish sentencing but I urge you to keep up with the facade of you actually knowing anything about law much less foreign law
>>69285771
Exactly - No prison needs a Messi in there. Most prison systems are stretched beyond their capacity. How imprisoning Messi & his Dad is a better alternative to fining them I don't know.
It's an eye for an eye sentence.
>>69286025
Upvoted
>>69286055
Smuk pik
>>69286025
>Literally stealing jokes from r/soccer
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/4rhwc9/leo_messi_and_his_father_sentenced_to_21_months/d517y7w
>>69285897
You literally do not understand how the English language works. You're an embarrassment.
We're not all like this prick - honestly.
>>69286086
>Reading reddit ever
>>69286089
We're not all like redditers like you either
This is so sad
>>69286096
I'd rather be a person who occasionally takes the guilty pleasure of reading Reddit than being someone who literally reposts their jokes on /sp/ for attention (doesn't even get le upboats, lel).
I understand now nobody wanna come in France, taxes are way higher than in Spain but those millionaires find the way to fisc fraud
>>69285515
Shit man, I feel for you. I'm broke as well, and it's really getting to me now.
Thank fuck that of the many fucked up things that can happen to you in GB, losing everything because sick is not one.
Tough it out, mind can drag the body up if you let it.
>>69286109
How's it feel knowing you broke Messi's soul Texas?
>>69286041
>facade
Strange way to spell common sense and not being sheltered from the outside world. Tax fraud is about as mild as crime gets, it's no wonder you don't get an actual sentence for it especially if the damage has been repaid.
>>69286096
>not reading reddit
Hey newfag, you apparently didn't get the memo, the cool kids don't hate reddit anymore.
>this thread
99% of all of you are retarded and can't read a simple news article.
>>69286149
Go be a lawyer or a judge then I don't understand why you're wasting your time explaining something that's allegedly simple
>>69286159
A FUCKING LEAF
>>69286167
>if you understand a very basic aspect of this topic you must be an expert at all of it!
You're beyond stupid, I'd feel bad for you if you weren't a complete twat on top of it.
>>69286150
>don't hate reddit anymore
source? there must be proofs
>>69285425
>>69285482
>>69285515
how are people living in rich countries poorer than I am?
>>69284841
So he's gotten a sentence - and NOTHING will happen to him?
What the hell?
Why even bother having a trial to begin with?
>>69286113
>We're not all like redditers like you either
Pure wit.
>>69286190
You called tax evasion a simple area of law so go be a lawyer that specialises in that area
>>69286199
oops sorry for exposing you reddit
What's with this ass blasted spaniard? Did Faruk bang your mom or what
>>69286197
>Why even bother having a trial to begin with?
To establish whether the accused is guilty or not in the eyes of the law.
The punishment was having to pay back a fuck ton of money and more on top.
What is supposed to "happen" to him?
>>69286195
t. Papadopulus
>>69286025
also missing his corner in the prison cell
>tax evasion
>chimped out and spat on a players face
>whined like a todler and got zlatan & teves kicked out
>tax evasion 2.0 electric boogaloo
>misses 1 penalty: quits
messhit = swarthy human filth
>>69286218
No I did not.
>>69286251
>What is supposed to "happen" to him?
Raped by 6'5 black men in a dirty prison in Madrid.
>>69286271
>t. Yusef Abdul Al Achmed
>>69286302
You called it a small aspect of law and clearly you're an expert in that area so go be a lawyer your talents are wasted here
>>69286335
>t. Bongo Nbaku dindugwa
>>69286349
I couldn't give a fuck about what you have the say on the matter
>>69286344
I really doubt someone so stupid can use a computer without supervision so at this point I'm thinking you're just lonely and trying to get some attention. If you want to talk you don't have to be so underhanded about it you know.
>>69284712
>news about Messi
>Portunigger makes a post defending Penaldo within the first few posts
every single thread
>>69286380
Sorry - I've deleted it then.
>>69284841
>third world legal system
brb going to spain to commit a crime and not go to jail. Spain was a mistake
>>69286392
I thought you said you weren't angry yet here you are getting extremely personal now
>>69285053
THANK YOU SMUG SANCHEZ
>>69286426
I'm getting personal in a very calm manner, but given your very limited ability to think I'm not surprised you would link the two.
>>69285392
If i were you id think about electing the next hitler or something.
That shit aint right. Most of that money probably goes to refugees centers.
Are Messi and Ronaldo overrated memes?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED MY UNCLE NACHMAN ON HOW TO AVOID THIS SHIT THE CHEEKY CUNTS
so messi..........................
looks like u got a red card....................
>>69284791
In Bongland, it's called a Suspended Sentence. How the fuck don't you know this? It means he's got to be a good buy for 21 months, or he gets sent to prison for whatever amount of time left on the 21 sentence AND the new crime he committed sentence added on.
he isn't going to prison, he does have a criminal record now and it's totally marred his legacy. Not that great players haven't been marred by shit (Maradona is a doping drug fuelled cheat, Pele is a racist fuck and his son is a criminal iirc)
>>69284654
Athlete's fathers. A classic.
>>69286364
>t. Abioye Khari Jabari, "pure" german citizen
Kek
>>69286506
>Malta bantz
>>69286554
>t. hue hue hue hue pure italian blood
>>69285077
Spain could have used some of those intelligent criminals instead of moor niggers given that your country and the rest of your colonial fails are perennially shit.
>>69286644
>t. Pajeet Rashin, pure german blood
TOP
KEK
>>69285786
>Ref actually sees what is happening
>Still gives a yellow
>Chilean dude smells his finger
What the fuck man
>>69286666
Straya providing the facts with style.
czech'd and kek'd
>>69286422
this happens in australia too dumbfuck
>>69284654
So much for the Argentine reputation of being incorruptible
Scum.
>people will still call ronaldo a bad guy and suck missis cock
>>69286775
>Las Malvinas son Argentinas
>Missi nowhere to be found
top kek
> Mfw a messi fag was shilling near me.
>>69286813
You think Ronaldo isn't involved in dodgy tax shit?
It's endemic in Spain.
>>69284947
welcome to subhuman countries
>>69284729
21 months < 2 years
Which means no prison time for these kind of crimes. Just a big sanction, although for him and sweet daddy ~5M€ is peanuts.
>>69286855
sorry lad i only deal in facts not delusional cry babby postings of butt destroyed missi fans on /sp/
>Sky News Newsdesk @SkyNewsBreak
>#LionelMessi and his father have been sentenced to 21 months in jail for tax fraud
JUST
>>69286892
>bogwog spudnigger terrorist
>dealing in facts
Fucking keke rosberg!
>>69286536
How can Pele be a racist fuck?
>>69286666
legendary post
>>69286950
dont you have a country to bomb the shite out of then cry when the refugees of said country ask you for help?
>rule britannia
>>69284654
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
why not sentence him to 21 months probation instead, since that's what actually happens now?
>>69286974
>thick mick ira paddyfag crying about bombing other countries
LEL
>>69286734
Watch your mouth, Deutsche Bank is crashing and they won't be there to bail you out
>>69287013
That's exactly what happened.
>>69287041
>#LionelMessi and his father have been sentenced to 21 months in jail for tax fraud
>>69287071
And considering how they weren't previously punished and it's a sentence under 24 months it's just a probation sentence. Read the thread Magnus.
>>69284654
He won't spend a single day in prison because he's rich
>Messhit goes to jail
>starts a jail football team and enters the jail league
>it wins fuck all because he doesnt have xavi and iniesta to carry him
Pahahaha! Fucking spudniggers
>>69287071
Yes. Now you need to understand what that actually means in legal terms
and people called him a nice guy and maradona a cunt
fucking kek
you can take the man out of argentina but you cant take argentina out of the man
Taxation is theft.
#FreeMessi
>>69287159
Maradona is a cunt though.
>>69286195
Country wealth =/= average person wealth
>>69286666
It's the Price of Freedom, Bruce.
The alternative is being a top aussie cuck tier and slurp british semen in the morning for 100 years, american semen for the following 100 years and Chinese semen in the incoming 100 years.
>>69286197
>Why even bother having a trial to begin with?
he got a really big fine and now he has criminal record
so if he evade taxes again, he is going to jail no matter what
>>69287018
>t. Abdul Yah Muhammad, new mayor of London.
You can't make this shit up, you just can't.
>>69286422
>to commit a crime and not go to jail
most of serious crimes have higher sentence than two years m8
>>69285061
Those who tell the stories rule the world
>Google it
>Read it
>Think about who tells the stories
>Think about who is telling most stories to most people
>Think about who rules the world
>Think about why they can rule the world
>Think about why you believe their stories and don't try to find it out yourself
>Think about why you don't have time to find it out yourself
>Think about what is the reason you don't have time
>Think about who is offering you the option to user your time with all kinds of unimportant stuff
>Think about why they benefit from the fact, that you don't use your time on something useful like reading the law yourself or following the evolution of the financial markets
>Read this
>https://twitter.com/thebusinessmag
>Wake up
>The Matrix has you
>>69285061
> current year
> trusting any form of journalism
>>69287201
Allahu Snakebar
>>69286422
You're fucking retarded, thank god not everywhere is like murica where you get life sentence for non violent crimes.
Prison isn't the only way to punish someone, he still has to pay a huge fine.
>>69286195
Do you seriously think that the average American is wealthy or something? They are pretty poor, then average simply makes it appear like they arent. Same in Germany. Everybody admires us for being rich when in reality most Germans have hardly any money and work from paycheck to paycheck without ever having a single cent to save up. The more money the average person has the higher the average expenses for good like rent and food, which means that having a lot of money doesnt mean that you have a lot of purchase power.
>>69287391
I can confirm this to be true as someone who lived in the US for years. I've even had teachers who are STILL paying back their student debts from college years after having graduated.
>>69287391
If you have money to drive nice cars and go to a month-long vacation in Croatia you are not doing bad at all.
>steal fm of government welfare money from the country that gave you everthing
>no jail time
fucking hell lads. off to commit some crimes in spain
>>69284841
Nice. This whole thing makes a lot more sense now.
>lawyers got it down to 21 months
The real loss here will be Messi's legal fees, kek. Dude is blowing a lot of money on this whole debacle.
>>69285053
THANK YOU SMUG SANCHEZ
>>69287447
thats what annoys me, he gets paid 10s of millions to kick a ball but wants to take from the broke spaniards who both admire him and need the money.
>>69287367
>Journalists are commentators.
>They are commentating what's happening.
>How do they do that?
>They take the time to do a lot of research on thinks they think are important
>Ask yourself why you can't do that yourself
>Change the things that hold you back from it
>>69287285
>In the EU
>Not Germany
>Labelling anyone else a cuck
I recommend a trip to the hall of mirrors, Jose.
>>69285061
Because those kind of news sites are not in the business of providing through comprehensive information, but to attract your silly goy attention with a sensationalist headline, make you click on it and retwitter the link ad infinitum.
Snibetty snab, modern big media journalism :-DDDDDDDD
Commit TAX FRAUD with MILLIONS. Stay at home, get nothing.
This is so fucked up on so many levels. Literally biased.
>>69287444
Yea but those are public education teachers. The market is somewhat saturated with them in that many liberal arts degrees lead to teaching because it's the only viable option a philosophy major has. I'm 25 and graduated with a BA in English lit. I know what I got into when I studied it, I knew my limited job prospects that degree would provide but fortunately my associates degree was in construction management and I found a job in that field. I make more money thanks to my associates degree than I would have based on my bachelors degree. I don't feel sorry for those teachers in debt. I don't feel sorry for anyone that majors in the humanities then complains about pay. You should know what you're getting into and if it interests you enough to continue, then enjoy it.
>>69287448
For him it's just chump change. He will have that money back with a couple TV-Spots anyway.
>>69287527
> journalists are the same thing that journalism
Dubs confirm based Kek is shining his light in Ronaldo
>>69287553
Go fight some more in ameriwars liberation campaigns, cucks. Your master is calling.
This is beautiful day lads, life's short and it's truly hard to capture those moments and make the best of it, but this is one of those days lads, how can you not enjoy and rejoice life at the light of this news, how can you not senpai?
>>69287600
You and me we go to jail but MESSI is the Prophet
>>69287666
trips confirm las malvinas argentinas
>>69284702
>guy is a massive jew with his tax evading for ore money
>gets caught
>lmao I bet jews jailed him Xd
>>69285039
>Alexis's photoshopped grin
>>69287330
You just did
>>69284841
>>69284875
>>69286883
>Gets sentenced 21 months in prison
>Because it's under 2 years you don't have to go to prison
then whats the point
>>69287971
Point is jajajajajajajaja viva espana, you can get away with something like that in case you haven't been in conflict with the law until this point and the judge gives you less than 24 months. So it is not just "muh €arnings". How would you deal in Denmark with this?
>>69288103
I would imagine the judge wouldn't sentence them to prison in the first place if they're just not going to go anyway.
>>69287971
The point is legalistic lingo. Because it's less than 2 years where it reads 'sentenced to 2 years in prison' you need to read 'free on parole. Make the slightest trespassing from now on and parole rescinded'. Plus the economic sanction he and daddy have to pay.
It's all been explained in the thread.
>>69285199
Are you meant to tell me that Trump shitposters >do it for free?
>>69285447
Important reminder, you are not responsible for everything posted under your flag, not now, not ever.
You should upgrade your detector-fu anon, that idiot always writes with a capital letter in his first sentence but with a minus after a fullstop and he is always butthurt about something.
>>69285684
My name is Alberto, now you made me sad
Will he have to grow breasts and suck off the blacks to avoid being killed in prison?
>>69285087
you missed this
>>69287516
all things considered, majority of Barca's revenues don't come from inside Spain. So technically, just technically, he's not stealing from Spaniards, or not as much as the number implies
This is another of Soros plots.
>>69285542
fucking big name communists always come from rich backgrounds take a look at che guevara and marx
>>69285241
>Because computer-illiterate grandma
>being this stupid
Nigger, this isn't a case of somebody being illiterate. She deliberately broke the law in order to hide something.
And being computer illiterate is no defense when it comes to this crime. Other people have been sentenced to decade in prison over this. She doesn't even get a slap on the wrist.
And how is Trump Hitler? He worships kikes.
>senteced to jail
>doesn't go
U wot m8
>>69290013
pol pot too, educated in paris.
>>69284654
If he did this here they would take all his money and put him in prison for life.
>>69285236
>>69285304
>>69286607
>>69287201
post more of le disgruntled snake
>>69292589
>what is a suspended sentence
>>69286953
he's self-hating
>stopping the government from stealing your money and getting away with it
Who's the true got is not even debatable anymore
>>69284654
so that's why he "retired" from the NT and underperformed
He already knew what was going to happen
>>69293541
>and underperformed
Lol wut?
TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>69285110
We should do the same thing for some crimes here 2bh
I'd exempt some things, though
>>69284654
HAPPENING
>>69284654
it finally happened
>>69285179
>>69285179
but now you can call him a criminal and it would not be defamation.
like.
Who is better, ronaldo or messi the criminal?
No puede meter penales, asi que lo meten al penal
>>69293541
>underperformed
he performed better than your whole squad in the last decade
>>69293901
>We should do the same thing for some crimes here
you already do, it's called suspended sentence
>>69286422
>implying you wouldn't get extradited to the USA and given the a big ass penal time for comitting a crime aboard
>>69285230
Rich people complaining about how much they pay in taxes is like complaining about how much masturbation sucks after marrying Milana
>>69284885
So, did he use his "Get out of jail free" card?
>you will never make Messi deepthroat your cock in a Spanish white collar prison
>>69284841
thanks for the info
>>69284885
Yeah convenient that. Launder vast sums of money for years and only get 21 months for it?
>>69294484
Launder??? WTF?
>>69294484
Financial ""crimes"" are a joke.
Taxes are theft and this kind of ""crime""" doesn't even have a victim.
