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How do we fix this shit?
>ruined Baggio's eternal legacy in 1994
>ruined 1998 eliminating the best Italian roster in the history of the sport
>ruined 2002 getting South Korea to a semi-final
>ruined 2006 getting the best Argentina squad in the history of the sport eliminated
>ruined 2010 from having the first African team in the semis
>ruined Messi from being the GOAT
>ruined Chelsea's dreams in 2008
>ruined Riquelme's European career
>ruined Raul's hopes of winning something with Spain
>>69104441
>>ruined Riquelme's European career
thats van ghouls fault
But America, that's the beauty of it.
If you don't take the game to life and force your way to success then it will roll the dice on you
>>69104441
>ruined Chelsea's dreams in 2008
Slippy T
man i fucking hate this shit, why don't they just make it look hockey shootouts then? take the ball from the top of the box and run at the keeper, the keeper is allowed to leave his line. What's so wrong about this?
>>69104441
I don't know, maybe just FUCKING SCORE IT? Or something.
This is why golden goal is better
>>69104538
So a moving penalty shootout. Why?
>>69104651
It definitely isn't. Extra time is already very defensive without the golden goal, it would ruin it.
>>69104692
Use a bit of skill instead of making it into luckkick
>>69104538
Wow, it just so fucking stupid that I don't even know how to reply. Well done Amerifat, well done.
>>69104538
If the player is allowed to move, it's be even more diffucult for the goalkeeper
>>69104441
Sports should be not only physical but mental.
Fuck the autists desu.
>>69104692
Because then the player has the ability to feint movement while the keeper is also allowed to cut angles or have a shot at saving it rather than "guessing the wrong way" and it being completely over
>>69104441
RETURN THE GOLDEN GOAL, FUCK THIS STUPID LOTTERY SHIT
>>69104751
Fucking this. I never understand why everyone are calling penalty lottery - it's ALWAYS about skills. If you're good enough - you score. If you're shit - you just fucks up. Easy and simple.
>>69104555
Trips don't lie. You need to score to win.
But the law of sports don't lie either. You win by playing the game.
Don't forget
>ruined England's world cup win 1990
>ruined England's Euro win in 1996
>ruined England's world cup win in 1998
>ruined England's Euro win in 2004
>>69104847
Penalties are also part of the game and if you cannot score it, it just mean that you're not good enough.
>ruined 2002
that would be FIFA paying off the refs to ensure South Korea advanced lad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EyGBN5weFg
>>69104846
so Messi is the worst player of all time because he missed it 3 days ago? but he's the goat because he pushed it in in 2011 and 2015? Penalties are fucking luck and the fact that the ball, the surface, and the way it connects with your foot is so important that environmental elements rather than skill come into play is just random shit that should be eliminated from the sport
Maybe they should just score then
>>69104923
He's a mental midget
>>69104902
> part of the game
So are free throws in basketball. They're there to punish players for fouling to prevent a goal. They shouldn't decide the game, that's like saying let's flip a coin
2 solutions for extra time
literally give me a good argument against multiball
Or moving the goal posts in towards center 10 yards each
There isn't one
>>69105005
but there's minimal luck in free throws, it actually takes a semblance of skill that's why centers have abysmal free throw percentages. A penalty is just dumb luck a lot of the time. You cannot tell me that THIS is from a lack of skill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foX_ZiScMvU&t=230
this Penalty shootout just justifies a need to change the way the match is neded
>>69104441
>said the guy that never took a PK on life
PKs put players under a lot of stress. If your mind isn't sane enough, you'll fuck it up... It's the moment where boys and men are distinguished...
>>69104441
By knowing how to kick a fucking ball.
>>69104923
Yea, sure, take it to extreme. Messi also fucked one penalty against Chelsea a few years ago. It worth to mention, that at that moment he never scored against English team in CL. Why I write this? Penalties are also about mentality (watch the post I answered) and when you feel pressure, it's easier to make a mistake. If you allow pressure to do it - you're just weak atm.
South Korea deserves nothing but suffering. 2002 was so fucking disgusting
>>69105084
I dont know why they dont just move the goals towards the center in the first place. Just shortening up the field 10-20 yards would change little but increase scoring enough so that there's less boring slurpfests
>3rd worlders always ranting and raving about ""the beautiful game""
>endlessly parroting on about the strategy and mental capacity involved in soccer tactics
>the fluid constant motion makes this game the hardest to dominate and is the best sport ever
>most Important games LITERALLY decided by a kicking contest
I don't think this semen slurping sport is for me
>>69105201
It would be worse or you need to remove player aswel.
>>69105084
>tf
>multiball
They should be free kicks (without the possibility of running with the ball)
Penalties are fucking boring and never lead to a satisfactory victory.
>>69105084
wtf is this porous ass ?
>>69104797
It would have changed nothing.
>>69105104
he put his support foot right under the ball. That's not luck, that's shitty technique
>>69105084
fucks multiball?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujIzS8mevGY
>>69105630
Adding another ball in play
>>69104538
Your country already had this and it was shit.
>>69105292
so what do you want, a free kick from the top of the box with a wall of 3-4 defenders and nothing else?
I think this is too hard
>>69105738
Why? because it "looked different"?
>>69105902
That's not bad actually, how often do they manage to score?
>>69104441
start the game with a penalty shootout, whoever wins get the win if the game is tied after 90 minutes, this way players will know what they have to play for since the begining
>>69105714
Has this been tested? Seems interesting but could get really fucking stupid
>>69105943
not enough
but this was the game winning save
it surely beats the penalties excitement of now
>>69104441
>ruined Baggio's eternal legacy in 1994
that's on sacchi.
>ruined 1998 eliminating the best Italian roster in the history of the sport
one between france and italy would have been eliminated, penalties or not
>ruined 2002 getting South Korea to a semi-final
that's on refballs
>ruined 2006 getting the best Argentina squad in the history of the sport eliminated
if they couldn't win before the penalties then they weren't that good
>>69104441
Personally I think penalties ruin games. I dont mean in knockout games during overtime to crown a winner, but during regular game and regular time.
Penalties are often awarded for very minor offenses.
As of now, penalties result in a goal being scored 80 % of the time, I think they should move the penalty spot back a bit so it would be a 50/50 chance of scoring a goal. Penalties today are just too strong.
>>69104797
golden goals are the most retarded and idiotic and insulting thing to have ever been done in the history of football.
instead of penalties each team should jerk off and see who cums more semen or which cum jumps longer
the only fair way to solve a tie after 90 min and extra time is to have another game the next day. and the next day if there is another tie and so on
>>69106077
>this flag
>this comment
>>69106103
jesus christ
also
>going to yellowstone in 2016
the prime of that park is well past, ever since that fire. Better off going to Yosemite nowadays
>>69106029
this is so based, can you imagine the tremble of le cut inside man facing casillas but x10?? my balls would be sweating
>>69104717
No penalty shootout.
They have to score, eventually.
>>69104797
>score a goal
>opponent has no chance to respond
no, removing that was the best decision FIFA has ever made
get rid of the goalkeeper after over time
>>69106174
>let's turn a dramatic and fairly unpredictable event into a test cricket match that goes on for 3 hours
You know people have shit to do, right?
>>69105084
NAME
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>>69106121
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy_4%E2%80%933_West_Germany_(1970_FIFA_World_Cup)
>>69106077
still mad
Van ghoul made a good proposal: Each team gets one player sent off every five minutes.
>>69106000
>>69106000
>Seems interesting but could get really fucking awesome
FTFY. Imagine attacking and defending at the same time, split image, 2 play-by-play guys, best players handling 2 balls at once (no homo). It'd be sweet.
>>69106270
i cant believe i never heard of this
>>69106195
Yeah, golden goal was just cruel, watching your team lose from one was like getting your balls suddenly cut off.
>>69106288
it's such a retarded thing.
penalties shootout may be all abuot luck, but at least both teams get equal chances.
with the golden goal one team never has the chance to respond.
who was the diot who had such a misbegotten idea
Am I the only one who genuinely likes them?
>That whistling and booing from the opposing fans whenever a player is about to step up
>That look of utter concentration and nervousness on the penalty kick taker's face
>Those mind games between the goalie and the penalty taker
>That suspenseful, gripping feel as the player runs up
>That explosion of joy by the winning team as they all run out after the decisive penalty is scored or missed
If you have a team that can shoot like Matias Fernandez or Charles Aranguiz it's nothing like a lottery
It's about fitness, stamina and mental fortitude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5F_WCEdRFY
If you think these are luck you're a big dummie
>>69105902
This looks fucking awesome tbqh, too bad FIFA are a bunch of faggots that would never put it into consideration because of muh traditions.
>>69106357
No. It has very little to do with football but it's tremendous drama.
Also, a heck of a lot better than a fucking coin toss. Yes, that happened.
>>69106431
Italy literally owes their only European title to a fucking coin toss, kek.
>>69106357
pretty much.
football is a sport where a tie is a perfectly normal result. The problem omes when you need to have a team win at all costs. That is what goes against the core of the sport. No matter what system you choose to determine the winner, it will always be wrong and unfair.
So haing it be one where mental fortitude and concentration is the determining factor is not so bad in perspective.
>>69106471
>>69106431
>>69106448
>>69106357
the alternative is to have both team advancing.
I wonder how that could work. But at least for the title you could give it to both
>>69104441
>What was Brazil x Netherlands in 1998
>What was Brazil x France in 1986
>What was Germany x France in 1982*
*Triggering Frenches in 3, 2, 1...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGq7VcaHoqo
I'm someone who doesn't know much about soccer, and I find one very big flaw with the whole "penalties = luck" argument.
Penalty kicks happen during the actual game too. Are those just luck also? Does it take actual skill to score a penalty kick, or is it all just luck?
If it takes actual skill, then a penalty shootout is obviously not just a lottery. It it's just luck, then there's something fundamentally wrong with the sport of soccer that a team that is fouled inside the box has to rely on pure chance to score. Either way, something is wrong here.
>>69105983
This sounds like it would only encourage even more bus parking and semen slurping.
>Win the pre-game penalties
>Park bus for 90 minutes because you win on the tie
>>69106609
lots of teams park the bus already waiting for penalties, i dont think it would change much really other than players being less nervous in the shootout because not everything is lost if they miss
>>69104441
.
Why not just provide a greater incentive to score goals during the 90 minutes to make draws less likely in the first place? For example 3-2 could be worth more points for the victor than a 1-0 victory.
>>69106702
This looks like such a drag
When thinking about things like this, you have to take into account that teams will do anything and everything to win
Giving literally infinite time encourages boring time consuming tactics
>>69106811
We're talking about penalties here, these happen during knockout stage
There are no points involved, you either pass or get btfo'd
Come on get it together
Solution:
If a game is still tied after regulation, then each team will select 4 players to play a 4 on 4 game using small goals played on a field that is slightly smaller than the penalty box. First to 3 goals wins. No luck, pure skill
You know what we REALLY need and would fix most of Football's problems?
Double elimination brackets
Double elimination brackets encourage consistency play
To be considered the best in a league, any league, you should be able to beat any team two times instead of meme'ing your way into victory
>>69106029
>>69105902
i actually unironically approve this
>>69106907
and what happens in the losers backet when it's tied after 90?
>>69106928
Proceed as normal
If you get meme'd by penalties twice in the same tournament then you weren't meant to be the champion anyway
>>69106702
>wanting endless semen slurping
>>69104441
>ruined Baggio's eternal legacy in 1994
He was injured the whole Cup, not really his fault (even though everyone remembers him for that here, it's kinda sad)
>ruined 1998 eliminating the best Italian roster in the history of the sport
Mid 80's/early 90's was probably better; then again, it would be "ruined the best French roster in the history" otherwise. Also, 1998 killed the best Netherlands team since Cruyff's days
>ruined 2002 getting South Korea to a semi-final
Yeah, that was shitty. [spoiler]2002 was shitty on many levels and the refballing was disgusting, especially for Brazil[/spoiler]
>ruined 2006 getting the best Argentina squad in the history of the sport eliminated
The very same guys who lost the previous Confederations Cup in a terrible fashion. Not really the best Argentina NT by far
>ruined 2010 from having the first African team in the semis
Word. Made Uruguay relevant again though.
>ruined Messi from being the GOAT
Nah
>ruined Chelsea's dreams in 2008
Who fucking cares
>ruined Riquelme's European career
I'll give you that.
>ruined Raul's hopes of winning something with Spain
See Chelsea
>>69106065
this, plus the fact that most penalty offences end in a red card so goal + player sent off = double punishment for an offense that sometimes could even be a ref's mistake. and if the player gets a suspension out of it too that's a triple punishment.
>How do we fix this shit
Teach players how to take penalties, teach goalies how to stop them
Then it's up to them to whether or not they can bite down and man up for the moment
Problem solved
MLS has the answer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LXiRCCB68E
>>69106031
thread over
I think a fundamental problem with football in general is that the ruleset pretty much in itself encourages "playing to draw"
>90 minutes regular playtime
>11 players on each team
>Relatively big field
>Very limited amount of subs
etc.
People get exhausted after these long playtimes, there's like a million people on the field so you can always let plenty of people pretty much cuddle the goalkeeper etc. I don't think it's surprising that even the big teams that are supposed to crush their opponent will often find themselves in situations where they will draw or just barely scrape by with one late goal or something.
If the fields were smaller, play-time and player amount was reduced I bet a lot of problems would just be resolved. It's hard to camp the bus when your opponent has less distance to cover, you have less players at your disposal, people have more energy and managers can sub more freely etc.
>>69104923
>the fact that the ball, the surface, and the way it connects with your foot is so important that environmental elements rather than skill come into play
since when every other play occurs in a vacuum? this is part of the game, you fucking faggot.
>>69105902
>>69106029
>get the keeper out
>chip ball
>win everytime
>>69106995
> This
> I'm clapping America
>>69107069
cant wait til you lose in penalties tomorrow fuccboi
>>69107106
> Wales
>>69107035
Most games where both sides had players sent off usually go nicely. Less people, more space to make up for the huge increase in physical preparation in the last 20 years
>>69106995
THIS. Penalties are no luck. They are trained and studied. There are expert penalty players (for example the gk of argentina)
With all due respect, every usa flag except this one is showing that if you talk about something you have no idea, you are going to show yourself as a fool
>>69107165
Pretty much.
Pic damn related.
>>69107048
then goalies just wouldnt come off their line. give the striker a 30 second time limit to score
>>69104441
You forgot
>ruined the Gobbi's chance on winning CL in 2003
And that makes it all worth it
>>69107308
then it's just a penalty with a running start you imbecile
>>69104441
Should do golden goal. Every 15 mins each team loses a player.
It's a ladies game anyway. Who cares.
>>69106031
>that's on sacchi.
No
There's nothing he could have done better
>>69106103
That used to be the way they did back in the 30s or so
>>69104896
And 2006 and 2012
>>69106289
If match remains 0 0 after extra time, both team go home, other team get a bye
>>69107645
Wat if its the final
>>69104785
wtf do you actually believe penalties are a guessing game? penalty takers practice moving their body to make it seem like they are kicking the other way, goalkeepers practice observing the penalty taker's movement. a football player untrained in penalty kicks would not score more than 4 out of 10 penalties vs a good goalkeeper. it is a crapshoot, but not as much as you seemingly think.
>>69104923
>"penalties are fucking luck"
>americans
>>69104717
>>69104692
>>69105983
>>69106230
Of course Portugal would be for keeping the Pelucky Shoot-outs
>>69106980
>He was injured the whole Cup
You got Baggio and Baresi mixed up
Baggio played all of the games and was fantastic
But he did play the final with an injury
Baresi also picked up an injury during the final
Use basketnigger rules for moving the ball:
-if you pass midfield you can't go back or is free kick.
-5 minutes to shoot. If no shot to goal it is a free kick.
>>69105311
maybe it's cold
i wish i could just say remove goalkeepers after 120 minutes but then nothing prevents the team from hoofballing hoping to score
After 90 minutes you have to go monkey rush. If you don't know what monkey rush is, fuck you.
>golden goal
>hockey-like penuldies
Chose one.
Has there ever been a team that used their final sub for a GK penalty expert?
>>69108159
Netherland in the last world cup.
>>69108159
Last World cup for the Netherlands they switched their GK just for the penalties and they won since the GK saved a penalty.
>>69104920
Jesus Christ, everytime I watch this, I get so pissed off.
>2 Reds for Portugal
>Totti sent off for diving when every angle shows it was a stonewall pen, disallowed goals and wrong offside calls everywhere
>Spain has T H R E E goals disallowed for no reason
>Even when Germany scored, Ballack looked around to see if the flag would be raised or the goal disallowed
The funny part is Japan co hosted the Group Stage and got Z E R O love from FIFA that tournament, ie they didn;t pay Blatter his lump sum.
>>69108159
>>69108159
krul
>>69108220
Well, they lost to the second best team in that WC (Turkey)
>>69108159
netherlands in the last world cup
>>69107691
you literally just described a guessing game m8.
>>69108257
Yeah, but the 3rd place match didn't matter at that point, and Blatter would have been beheaded if Turkey had been refballed out of their well deserved 3rd place finish.
>>69108225
that shit was hella hype
>>69104920
Holy shit I'd heard stories but I never realized how fucking blatant it was. Was anyone punished at all?
>>69104441
>ruined 2010 from having the first African team in the semis
Nice
>>69108501
>Was anyone punished at all?
lol no, just recently FIFA got called out for corruption.
>>69108568
Fug. What could FIFA possibly stand to gain from fixing matches? :^)
>>69106830
It's literally baseball rules.
I love baseball (apart from the "letting players come back on" part).
Anything that makes anything more like baseball is a yes in my book.
>>69104441
You don't have many options
>Tennis way: keep playing extra time until somebody scores. Basically the one that gets too tired earlier looses
>FA Cup way: play a third match and if still tied repeat ad nauseum
>Boxing way: decide on stats like goalscoring chances, ball possesion, etc.
They're all really fucking stupid cancer, so let's just stick to the way things are, shall we?
>>69104538
If the player can move with the ball he'll score almost for sure.
>>69105201
It would be even more defensive, literally parking the bus and forwards trying to do blooters from 35yards.
A penalty require skill, if you hit the ball correctly, even with a good side guess the GK will not be able to stop it.
Three words : Get good son.
Why not move the ball farther out? Instead of the Goalie having all the pressure, put it on the player. In hockey its more "will he score" not "will the goalie block it"
>>69105902
>run towards the gk
>cut angle at the last time
>dive
>enjoy your PK
Seriously, this look good, but without video review forget about it, since refs are blind as shit
>>69104896
yes, you fucking suck at penalties
>>69109394
Hockey way + more subs
At beginning of overtime, -1 player both sides + extra subs. At 15 minutes -1 again with an extra sub...repeat till one comes out on top. After the first 30 minutes, golden goal is in effect
FIXED
>>69104920
I remember that match. It pissed me off so fucking much...
>>69106900
Dubs confirms.
Only logical solution in this thread
>>69105201
Smaller fields help the defense. Offense works better with room to work.
I'd rather see silver goal rules adapted to where teams had to each take a player off at the start of extra time, and remove another player after each 15 minute interlude.
But penalties are here to stay.
>>69109793
Yeah I prefer this, but as much as announcers "protest" the "luck" of penalties, they secretly love it all coming down to a last dramatic moment.
Let's be honest, most people don't remember shit about the '94 WC Final except for Baggio putting it into orbit.
>>69108956
that explains everything... Amerilard way of thinking.
>>69104920
Still trying to understand why the fuck that first Spain goal was disallowed
ITT : people that never took a PK
>pressure on whoever take the shoot
>GK trying mind games
>requires power and precision
>a bit of luck if you don't have one of these two
Penalties are perfect
>>69108159
Netherlands subbed their GK for Krul and he guess every sides opponents shot and saved 1 or 2.
>>69110166
Not only that but the entire objective of the game is to shoot the ball into the net, penalties are literally the embodiment of this. If you cant shoot and your gk cant save a ball, you've no one to blame but yourselves.
>>69104441
>How do we fix this shit?
by scoring in normal time
PK's are OP, bring back the NASL shootout
Or give 5 corner kicks with 5 seconds on the shot clock
>>69109540
They score almost for sure anyway on penalty kicks.
>>69104538
Can an NASLfag post that youtube vid of pre-MLS pro US soccer doing exactly this? Keks were had and will be had for yuros who havent seen it
>>69104920
Thank you based germany for setting the gooks straight
>>69104651
Hockey fans fucking hate the shootout too. I would rather see my team tie than win or lose in a fucking shootout.
But every governing body for every sport loves muh drama
>>69110462
Here you go you lazy jackass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJEnwi7otu0
>>69104441
do all 5 PKs at the exact same time, with 5 keepers too. whoever makes the most in wins.
Give the goalie a knife
No cards except for delay
If you fall and stay doen, you must leave
2 balls on the field
>>69110498
/thread
>>69105084
Wtf is a yard
>>69110498
Euro's get fucked. This shit was awesome.
>>69110572
Imagine going up against noyer in this format
>>69104966
>Mental
He is a literal midget
>>69106982
They fixed that rule this year
Most fouls in the box, unless they are really fucking retarded, will now only be yellows
>>69108501
For that, no. The ref from the Italy game was suspended several times for giving favorable calls to other teams and then was caught smuggling heroine into New York (got 2.5 years in prison). Another ref from that World Cup got arrested for taking bribes and fixing matches
All of those countries have protested to FIFA. Surprised it hasn't been opened back up after Blatter fell
It should be corner kick shootouts instead of penalty shootouts. At least then the entire team could participate.
Fixing penalties is easy. Have 2 goal keepers in net that way it makes it harder to score
>>69104441
Why is there always a thread of an american saying "you should change this or that in football" if you always say you don't care about this sport? Seriously, nobody wants this ideas in football. What people REALLY cares about is allowing camera reviews and things like that
>>69108353
It's an educated guess, not that a leaf would know what education is.
>>69104441
They should allow in the additional time no offline rule, so that teams aren't so defensive. More goals more fair Imo.
>>69111128
maybe because penalties are blind luck and don't determine the most deserving team?
>Costa rica
Oh, that's why this question was retarded.
>>69111415
>an american
>calling me retarded
>in a football thread
Nevermind, I don't consider neither that penalties always define in favor of the most deserving team, but they are surely not pure luck at professional level. As it was stated a trillion times in the thread, they actually probe concentration and mental fitness
>>69108501
>He didn't watch the south Korea refball live as it happened
Underage casual please go.
>>69111415
>Penalties are blind luck
But they aren't though dummy
When was the last time a team won two shootouts during EC or WC?
>>69104441
Watch a sport in which a fucking 0-0 result isn't possible after 120min+ of play.
Fag.
>>69111415
It's not blind luck, and there are more pressing issues in world football
>>69111162
Education is $40k a year, right?
>>69106524
You don't know jackshit about soccer or how any sport works apparently.
A PK during the regulation time is supposed to be a gimme because when a team is rewarded a penalty that means they were denied an obvious scoring opportunity from the box, so they should be easy.
PKs to determine the match result are stupid however because they are fucking cheap goals. Golden goal is better. If you wanna win and not be tired for the rest of your matches, fucking score.
They should add 3 extra subs in extra time though
>>69111702
they've already added 1 not sure if uefa adopted this yet though
>>69104920
Cheating dog eating cunts. Hope North Korea nukes them off the face off the earth.
