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brace yourself lads.
The cubs shitposting as only begun
>inb4 somebody complains about the thread
You know the sites, just do it yourself
>inb4 cusb to the eeries
Royals
this general is bad and you should feel bad
>mfw chase for 28 ends in 2016
Mariners have the best record in baseball since April 13th.
>cusb and whos both now 3-7 in their last 10 but still in first place
>whos fans
>COLLAPSE COLLAPSE SHITTY TEAM COLLAPSE COLLAPSE
>cusb fans
>STILL THE BEST TEAM, UMPBALL UMPBALL, POWER RANKINGS, UMPBALL
But why?
>>67793272
/thread
>analslime
>>67793283
you got several good answers in the last thread
>>67793274
They'll have to make it to the playoffs first.
>>67793239
They can vacate his 2016 World Series MVP though.
>>67793294
>Choakland
>>67793283
Because Cubs fans dont like baseball and chose to ignore it when their team does poorly.
Also, the two teams are only incidentally related. Cubs fans aren't Chicagoans, they are from Iowa, downstate and the distant suburbs. They have very little in common with Chicagoans.
>>67793283
White Sox fans are basically Bears fans, pissy all the damn time and keep expecting the worst every time.
Cubs fans are basically Blackhawks fans, obnoxious as hell when the team is succeeding, and blame all losses on everything else.
I don't know who'd be more like Bulls fans desu, probably a mix of the two.
Why does everyone pretend like Bumgarner is some top tier pitcher who is somehow only second to future Hall of Famers like Kershaw, Syndergaard and Arrieta?
He's a good pitcher, but on any top team he'd barely be a #2 starter and the only thing he seems to be better than everyone at is not pitching but hitting and even then he's worse than any top position player by a huge margin.
Is Bumgarner the ultimate meme pitcher?
Can we talk about the padres for once?
I feel bad they get no love on here.
Derrick norris isnt bad.
do theyhave any fans?
Is there a more irrelevant team on /mlb/?
>>67793283
Because Shitcongo fans are faggots and like to purport whatever narrative suits them, pretending their city is cursed, or that their city is the greatest ever.
>>67793329
>ultimate meme pitcher
Arrieta. He is the king of normie memes
Did you guys know Bumgarner virtually won today's game against the Cubs by himself? Pitched 7 and 2/3 shutout innings and drove in the only run of the game
Based
>>67793312
>better winning pct in shitattle than the memeiners
>>67793336
>Is there a more irrelevant team on /mlb/?
Colorado
pilates?
PILATES?
>>67793283
Shitcongo is basically everything wrong with America in a nutshell.
Their sports fans are hands down the worst of any city I've been to. Good god. Either deliberately pissy or deliberately obnoxious.
>>67793255
I told you guys.
I'm leaving.
email me when the shit posting is done.
>>67793315
apparently then fans from Iowa, downstate and the distant suburbs are willing to make the drive to the ballpark, which chicago residents are not
>>67793360
You mean the Colorado Trevor Storys?
>>67793361
he's going to get caught eventually
dude was a 5 ERA pitcher in baltimore and all of a sudden he's a pitching god? fuck outta here
>>67793348
>bragging about winning a game by what would be basically cheating in a real league
Don't know if you got the memo grandpa but real pitchers don't fucking hit
>>67793359
>3 whole games
>>67793278
>>67793315
>implying Cubs fans don't exist in Chicago
Have a (You)
>>67793360
the biggest meme park in the league
>>67793361
no matter how much you post this, he's not getting suspended
>>67793380
Pretty much, though the Sox drew 34,000 today. Attendance usually goes up when CPS gets out.
>>67793389
>(You)
Why isn't bumgarner good enough to get a cy young?
Rings are cool but those take collective aide of 40 men....
>>67793399
damn I forgot to change my name and im still here
>>67793359
>comparing winning % with different sample sizes
cmon buddy. youre better than this
>>67793348
>Did you guys know Bumgarner virtually won today's game against the Cubs by himself?
just ignore the several stellar defensive plays behind him
>>67793386
caught for what? CAUGHT FOR WHAT?
HE JUST FIGURED IT OUT WHEN HE GOT TO CHICAGO
AND HE CHANGED HIS DIET AND BEGAN A RIGOROUS PILATES ROUTINE
YOU MENTAL DWARF
>>67793386
>yfw Miguel Gonzales is 0-1 with a 5+ ERA and also came from the Orioles
>>67793398
They move here after college and ruin neighborhoods, wont deny that. They eventually get mugged and move back to Fox Lake or wherever.
Say it with me /sp/
The Cubs will be #1 in the Power Rankings
You can't prove me wrong.
>>67793386
The only other explanation is that the NL is a pitcher's paradise. Remember how R.A. Dickey memeballed the shit out of the NL and then got destroyed by the AL?
>>67793416
I guess I'll just own it from now on. I don;t like being anonymous anyway
>>67793329
Bum is vastly overrated but he's still better than syndergaard.
>>67793403
Cubs would have drawn over 40,000 if they were home
attendance is always high on warm, sunny, weekend games
>>67793414
Because a Cy Young takes actual dedication and talent over a long period of time which a mediocre pitcher like bumgarner obviously can't do
>>67793348
Cool but Kershaw threw 9 innings with 13K's and put up the only run if the game 2 weeks ago.
It's still cute tho
>>67793386
he got caught but MLB offered the Cubs an ultimatum to protect one of their big brands. Arrieta is off the juice, hence the peripherals indiciating a big collapse is in store.
>>67793450
Yes we know the Cubs are big with the tourists. I include the yuppies who grew up in Wisconsin living on Grace and Southport as tourists, btw.
>mfw Trout gets one for da heim
>>67793447
>Bum is vastly overrated but he's still better than syndergaard
HAHAHAHA holy shit you don't actually believe this right/
>>67793471
>2 weeks ago
...cool story bro?
I'm gay btw
>>67793431
>ruin neighborhoods
How so?
The fucking North Side exists, you know.
Look at this autism
>White Sox
>Chicago's team
>Forever Chicago's 2nd team
You can stop now
Tigers
>>67793513
fuck off man
>>67793499
>implying tourism
keep telling yourself that though
disregard everything I said guys, I suck cock
>>67793416
Ur a faget
>>67793514
The type of bougie retard who finds theselves attracted to the Cubs is directly responsible for the Lettuce Entertain You clones, Froyo fronts and boutique cupcake shops. I never would've guessed Peak Naperville would've happened in the city, crazy.
>>67793499
Too bad your stadium can't fill out on weekdays while our stadium on weekdays are sellout crowds.
Go back to your anime and black metal, Whos faggot
>its a dodgers fuck with my heart for 5 hours day
>>67793539
I stand by my name.
just a reminder that bumgarner is like the 3rd best pitcher on his team this year thanks to your meme park and paid off umps
>>67793547
>He thinks the South Side isn't worth gentrifying
Enjoy living in your shit hole then. I'm sure you love niggers too.
>>67793499
funny thing about tourism is that even if you assume the absolute highest estimate (40%)
and then you discount that 40%, the Cubs would STILL have a higher attendance that the White Sox
and that's BEFORE discounting any tourism the White Sox have
>>67793514
>implying they were 2nd team back in 05 when they won the WS
>implying 90% of fans dont remember when the team sucked ass
>>67793283
>cubs 3:1 world series odds
>shit sox 40:1 world series odds
>but why
>>67793568
Only you, graduate of some HS in Grundy County, thinks there is no grey area between gangland war zone and bougiefied consumer hell.
You'll always be a tourist in this city, kid. This will never be home for you, go back to where you came from.
Why do Who Sux fans like to shit on their team more than Cubs fans? Better yet, why the hell are they even here? They're just a bunch of depressing people. Holy shit.
>>67793568
South Side is a containment zone, if you gentrify that you'll just push the drugs and gang violence somewhere else (although hopefully that place is Northwest Indiana)
>>67793589
odds are all about money coming in and Cubs fans have been giving Vegas huge bucks for a long, long time.
this thread is litteral shit.
Make your own chicago thread and kys.
Wrigley is a dump and cubes fans are faggots.
The cell is a dump and whos fans are faggots.
Signed,
Baseball fans
I took this picture today
>>67793626
fuck off, we run this shit
>>67793582
there is nothing appreciably different from a tourist visiting for a weekend and 50% of the people "living" on the north side. its all a bunch of wannabe's pretending to be hard, tough BIG BAD CITY folks when they are really from Appleton WI or some shit.
When I use the word tourist I am including all the groups. I'm probably including you too, Naperville Central.
>>67793600
*Autism Intensifies* The Post
>he thinks anyone that lives above NNS is a tourist
>mfw Chicago address
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA just stop.
>>67793635
You fucking suck at photography. Hang yourself.
>>67793641
>When I use the word tourist I am including
keep the goalposts where they've been set, my fiend
>>67793638
get that tomato soup bread bowl the fuck outta here you crusty shit.
kys my famalams
What is worse? Shitcongo shitposting or california shitposting?
>>67793638
No i'm actually from chicago and a cubs fan. But you and everyone here is insufferable. I would rather talk about baseball then deal with this shit.
This is why everyone on /mlb/ hates cubs fans. please kys. its an mlb thread
Cubs won WS or Bumgarner gets Cy Young?
Which happens first?
Will either happen at all?
What u think?
How many people on /sp/ are actually sports fans and how many are le epically trolling sports liking "normies" XD?
>>67793658
are you even from Cook County? Literally, I'll accept Cook County as at least close enough... can I move the goalposts far enough out to include you as a Chicagoan?
>>67793638
>reds
seriously?
>>67793668
>i'm actually from chicago and a cubs fan
sure you are buddy
>>67793665
Both given that Shitcago refugees mostly contribute to regional shitposting.
>>67793668
>from chicago and a cubs fan
New Trier, Class of 2012 ladies and gents
In other news:
Over 40 people shot in Chicago this weekend.
>>67793679
I would say it's 60/40
>>67793668
The Who Sux fans started it, cuck
They're the ones who act as if the Cubs are shit based off a cold streak, all the while constantly crying about how shit their team is and expecting that Cubs fans share their "pain."
How about no, and tell the Who Sux fans to fuck off for once and let us hype our team if we want to.
>>67793707
all of them in the South Side of course
>>67793665
Cali by far
>>67793688
whatever you say man. I've grown up here my whole life. But the cubs and sox fans on this thread are the litteral worst.
It's an embarrassment to say I support the same team as some of you guys. I'm so sick of this shit. I want to talk about baseball from around the league.
>>67793638
deep dish pizza is fucking disgusting, the shitty thin new york stuff is bad too but at least it's edible
>>67793676
Neither in my opinion, but Bumgarner winning a Cy Young is more plausible. It would only take an exceptionally good year from him, Kershaw taking a line drive to the face taking him out for the season, and Arrieta's inevitable suspension, while the Cubs have a 0% chance of winning a World Series in my lifetime
>>67793688
>calling people "buddy" or "kid" just to sound "older"
Found the insecure autist beta cuck manlet loser.
>>67793734
6 buzzword combo. nice.
>>67793665
cali probably but the dodgers need to be on a hot streak or the a's/angels need to relevant to really get it going, giants posters alone don't bother the general too bad
>>67793726
>inevitable
t. Whos cuck
>>67793641
>>67793704
>taking pride in being from a shitty neighborhood and going to shitty CPS schools
why do people do this?
>>67793759
Giants to be completely honest
>>67793641
>trying this hard
Go back to animeposting, we all know you're a autistic beta cuck manlet too deep down.
>>67793769
Literally no way she doesnt have tape on her tits
>>67793718
No! 4chan is now exclusively for dick measuring contests between friendless virgins from the greater Chicagoland area.
>sweep the astros twice
>playing mediocre so far this season
>hitting and pitching rarely ever clicking at the same time in any giving game
>playing almost as bad as they were last year
>somehow in second place in division
>Darvish coming back against the Pirates
>Bush showing jailtime helps your throwing
>Choo coming back, Desmond playing hot and Mazara being early RoTY candidate make for a really good outfield
>Odor, Elvis and Beltre playing great
prepare your anus mlb
>>67793665
>shitcago: some who cucks and cusb fans arguing about trying not be irrelevant
>cali: DG, even years meme, boipussi fans, analslime, EVEN YEAR, DG, chokeland gays fans, PB, doyers spics, DG, gaylion, kershitposting, troutposting, pweegposting, bumshitnerposting, spiccers, assletics, dads exist?
>>67793769
How does it feel to win on 26 outs, faggot
>>67793801
Pretty good m8
>>67793718
That was harsh
>>67793769
Then while you're being honest, why don't you explain why it's "inevitable"?
>>67793795
Why don't other teams just post more?
Why are people mad that a state with 12% of the country's population and 5 teams has a significant amount of people posting?
>>67793826
yeah all them padres posts piss me off
>tfw cali shitposting reigns supreme and all these low test shicucko fans "acting" hard to be relevant shit posters
Cali master race checking in
>doyers
>gints
>analslime
>pads
>asslethics
WeW LAD
>>67793795
>dg mentioned 3 times
>>67793795
>mad at qts
>>67793813
He still wasn't tagged out, keep kidding yourself. News Flash: Draymond Green is an actual gorilla who deserved to be ejected.
If Kershaw got busted for PEDs, would DG stop spamming those pilates memes?
>>67793826
>5 teams
gays, analslime, vagiants, doyers, and uh???
sorry I can't place the fifth one. you sure about that?
>>67793852
I can't tell if this a joke or if you really don't know the padres.
>>67793795
>mad at Kershaw
>mad at Daddy
>mad at Daddy
>mad at Daddy
>>67793823
I'm just meming bro. I don't think it's more likely that he's on steroids than other players, I was just trying to say Bumgarner could win one, it would just take a lot of breaks going in his favor. And of course the Cubs "could" win a World Series, it just seems like it will never happen. My mind can't comprehend the Cubs winning a worlds eries
>>67793875
It's okay, my mind couldn't comprehend the giants having fans before 2010
>>67793883
>Around 40,000 peeps per game since '01
Yeah, me either
>>67793883
what about the bonds era though
Who's more likely to be busted first guys?
a). Arietta
b). Bumgarner
c). Syndergaard
d). All three at the same time
Also name the best Regular Season pitcher in the past 5 years PS: You can't say Jake Arietta.
>>67793900
E. Kershaw
>captcha is wrigley field
>>67793834
That's because DG is literally all of the Doyers fanbase on /sp/ tbqh
And he certainly lives up to that reputation
>>67793900
e). None of the above because they're all clean and you're butthurt
>>67793936
he's also half the Giants fanbase too
>>67793900
>thor: genetic freak, first round pick
>bumgarner: backcountry hick who grew up in the fields, has hick raw strength, first round pick
>arietta: le average sized male who became elite overnight, not a first round pick
hmmm I wonder which one is cheating
>>67793946
More like he makes parodies of them to make them look like MUH EVEN YEAR bandwagonners.
>>67793283
the cubs are 4-6 in their last 10
>>67793844
If Kershaw was on PED's he would still touch 99mph like he did when he was 20 and literally never get scored on.
Aren't DG and Tiki the same person?
>>67793985
Tiki=Mazara ROTY
>>67793985
DG is a lot of people
Shit posts that should be punishable by banishment on /mlb/
>PED posts when it's not a serious allegation, or if the allegation has been exhausted extensively
>Back-and-forths between California or Chicago fans that last longer than 5 replies and/or contain tired unfunny memes
did I miss something?
Are we going to witness Rocktober this year, lads? Should the Rockies trade for a good starting pitcher?
>>67793993
spot the cubs fan
>>67794001
actually no.
>>67793998
I hear Mat Latos is looking for a new team.
>>67793998
>rockies meme their way to a division title at the end of the season
>in an even year
imagine the shitposting, it would be glorious
>people unironically think Ortiz is performing this well naturally
>>67793998
>good starting pitcher in coors field
>>67793998
Rich Hill to the Rocks wouldn't surprise me
>>67794021
Nobody believes Papi is clean. He was literally caught and got away with it. MLB just protects their favorite franchises, which is how Arrieta has gotten away with it also.
Dallas Kike L
>>67793998
a good pitcher is wasted on the rockies though, if the altitude doesn't fuck you up the tiny meme park will
they just need like 6-7 okish pitchers who can throw 70-80 pitches and load up on hitters
>>67794021
This. He's too fat to be into Pilates so something must be up.
>>67794061
>the tiny meme park
>tiny
is this bait
>>67793993
It should only be the instigator that gets banned to be honest
Also, you guys really do over low the California stuff. It's only because you guys have a hate hard on for California and the fact that we're about 1500 miles from the rest of the populated country and the time difference that makes us seem irrelevant, so seeing us at all triggers you. You faggots just need to post about YOUR teams more and it won't seem like such a big deal. California does take I over 10% of the country's population by itself after all
/mlb/: PILATES PILATES HUE HUE HUE XDDDDDDD
>>67794084
Go to bed, Jake
>>67794042
>He was literally caught and got away with it
Cool source there.
>>67794074
>be the only team on the west coast immune to all of this
bretty comfy desu
>>67794074
*overblow
*take up over
>>67794061
>tiny meme park
you've never seen coors field have you? it's huge but the reason balls fly out of there is because of the high altitude causing thin air.
>>67794096
Jake Arrieta probably does read 4chan desu
But he just shrugs you faggots off.
Based desu
>>67794098
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/6148200/
he has literally admitted it
>>67794098
are you incapable of using google?
Not surprised a red cuck fan would be this retarded
>>67794122
>you will never be on a MLB roster and shitpost for your team and say "we" in the literal sense
I wonder which players browse this place
>>67794133
>Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive.
He didn't admit it. Get fucked
who /mariners/ here
i feel lonely
>>67794144
Someone set up an elabrotate ruse to make it look like Stuart Schweigert (free safety for Oakland) posted here years ago.
>>67794158
Yo. Just waiting for an hour or so till the shit posters go to bed
Kershaw + Roids is literaly God on earth...
He should do find Jake's guy and get a Pilates gym membership
>>67794182
Freddie Freeman is that you?
>>67794184
more like
Kershaw - Roids = Postseason Kershaw
>>67794150
He then said he'll look into what he tested positive for and tell the public.
He never did.
Ortiz is a liar and he knows they caught his fat ass
>>67794184
I didn't know DG had this low of standards.
>>67794196
>On the same day, both Major League Baseball[39] and the Major League Baseball Players Association issued statements[40] pointing out that because of several factors, any player appearing on the list compiled by federal investigators in 2003 did not necessarily test positive for performance-enhancing drugs. Among those factors were that the total number of players said to be on the list far exceeded the number of collected specimens that tested positive. In addition, there were questions raised regarding the lab that performed the testing and their interpretation of the positive tests. Also, the statement pointed out that certain legal supplements that were available over the counter at the time could cause a positive test result.
tl;dr Your wrong, Kill yourself
>>67794222
then why didn't Ortiz say this?
>>67794182
this homestand's looking bretty fair
as long as we dont screw things up, the wins should come to us
>>67794144
Hunter Pence, without a doubt browses 4chan. Zack Greinke too. (he's not DG though)
>>67794222
#FreeSammy
>>67794249
Pence is reddit
Greinke probably does browse 4chan though
>>67794249
DG could be A-Gon for all we know
>>67794249
Hunter Pence is the personification of reddit, no way he posts here
Greinke is autist enough though, not flamboyantly and ironically austictic like Pence
>>67794249
>>67794258
>"Look guys I'm totally just like all the other MLB chads, I'm a normie like the others. I'm making my determined face."
>>67794248
I'm always leary of the A's. Hopefully we can give the twins a taste of what we gave the Reds
>>67794264
based on his mexican pride I don't doubt it
>>67794193
Nah. He was on earlier. I'm Gordon. Whats up guys?
>>67794272
he's not an autist guys
https://youtu.be/0nRH36JtpSc?t=1m27s
>>67794241
It's already been said. Your just mad because the Sox will win the world series in his final year and more because of all their young talent.
>>67794295
>Just...throw...buncha...different pitches
what did he mean by this
>>67794258
>>67794267
I'm not saying that he isn't primarily a redditor. I'm just saying he would also browse 4chan. He seems like he would view himself "outside" the lines and hip enough to post here. He's a guy who opens himself up to everything and would be intrigued and tangled up by 4chan. He'd switch back and forth to take a break from having a persona, like all other redditors that are on here
>twins
>>67794295
I think this one sums it up pretty great
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7W95lP4Fsuc
>>67794348
>also browse 4chan.
please tell me people don't do this
>>67794380
that was a terrible video that didn't actually demonstrate anything, dude you upload that yourself
>>67794424
Oh you'd be surprised
Where does Kershaw and Bumgarner post?
>>67794434
No, the crowd going dead silent when an ace pitcher goes by when they're there for autographs and to see the players while he holds his head down silently is pretty awkward. All the stuff he typed and the music was pretty over dramatic and gay though, I agree
>>67794456
I wish he tore his ACL throwing the ball and ended his career
>>67794490
>cheering for an injury
>Game 1: Latos vs Clevinger
>Game 2: Johnson vs Anderson
what an absolute shitshow
>inb4 both are pitchers duels
>>67794061
>tiny
No it fucking huge. The outfield is nearly impossible to defend. The HR issue just adds to the problem
>stack ok pitching and load up on hitters
I agree with you on this one.
/RockiesFan
>>67794434
Do you need minutes of proof and examples like some kind of autist
The complete disconnect between him and the fans is the swiftest proof of literal autism that exists. What else do you need? Minutes of awkward dialogue that you already know he spews?
>>67794616
Breh show em the clip of greinke waiting to get into the club/outside with his model 10/10 wife
>>67794616
Did you see the guy in front of him walk by all the fans? When you're surrounded 24/7 by fans you can't acknowledge them all.
>>67794578
There almost 14000 sq.ft. more OF to cover in Coors vs Fenway.
>>67794471
>>67794616
You needed at least 2 other players walking by and the crowd's reaction to them to show the contrast. The first no name dude walks by and gets a tepid reception followed right after by Zack who gets a very similar reception. Simply stating that other star players got a big reaction from the crowd doesn't show anything to the viewer. If anything the video shows that the crowd was small and mostly disinterested more than Zack being awkward and autistic.
Since Mariners started the season at 2-6, they have a 24-11 record. (.686). Over that same span the """""mighty""""" Cubs have gone 23-12
>>67794273
That's what I was kinda thinking.
The A's always give us trouble at home, Twins/Padres should be easy though.
>>67794652
>tfw biggest OF
>>67794690
You see folks this is why cubs shitposting > memenerds shitposting
You faggots are cringe. Atleast the cubs fire back you niggas always lay
What makes Kershaw good?
He doesn't even try to get K's they just "happen" (in his words)
>>67794703
why is this directed at me though
>>67794666
I'll give you a reply so you don't kill yourself due to lack of attention.
Nobody cares about the Mariners. They are and always will be a joke of a team. I say this as a Padres fan.
When were you when you realized that Bumgarner was GOAT?
>>67794726
who is that semen demon?
>>67794703
What?
How was that a shit post. That was literally one mariners fan replying to another mariners fan about upcoming games.
>>67794722
we're not even asking for attention lol
tell that to the cubes fans who keep provoking whos fans every night
>>67794726
How many cy youngs tho?
Bumgarner's ERA after today's game is 2.17, guaranteed to be under 1 by the end of the season where he'll carry the way to another ring
Cueto meme worked out just fine and shark is the comeback player of the year.
>chubs unironically thought it was their year
They never learn. We're playing the memeiners in the series this year.
>>67794741
>we're not even asking for attention lol
see >>67794666, looks like asking for attention (not to mention trying to provoke Cubs fans) if you ask me
>>67794748
Giants offense is serious cause for concern 2bh won't make it past the NLDS
>>67794751
>1 post in a 230 reply thread that has been literally dominated by chiraq shit flinging, following a 500+ reply thread packed to the gills with shitcuntgo and memifornia cock gobbling
"STOP FUKKIN ATTENTION WHORING YOU FAGGOT QUEERS!"
>>67794751
then it seems you only like banter if it just comes from certain teams
but thats ok stay autistic
>>67794761
>3 all-stars, 2 lead-off hitters, consistent players, developing young players, and the best hitting pitchers in the game
Nah.
im bored lads
okay okay
memes aside. who wins in a street brawl?
Killafornia or Shitcongo?
>>67794767
that's pretty defensive of you m8, not sure how to respond to that
>>67794770
I'm just pointing it out, not saying it's right when Cubs fans do it
>>67794748
>panik slumping
>duffy slumping
>posey slumping
>pence hurt
>cain and peavy starts are guaranteed losses
>bullpen is shit; romo is hurt, strickland is still too predictable, lopez sucks, osich is a worse affeldt and the rest are nobodys
>closer is still casilla and no other options on the team
giants have a lot of serious problems this year, but hey at least 3 of your starters are pretty good this one month
>>67794748
Our year tbqh
>>67794804
How does it feel to win on 26 outs fucking faggot
>>67794804
it doesn't matter who makes up the lineup, they're not scoring runs, that's cause for concern
>>67794822
How does it feel to fuck up running in a straight line?
>>67794815
18th Street and MS-13 are Cali, so them.
>>67794817
If you dont want bantz and fanbase on fanbase instigating, this is the wrong Korean underwater basket weaving enthusiasts IRC server for you.
>>67794818
The only player legitimately slumping is Duffy, Cain beat the "mighty" cubs yesterday
The only real problem you've mentioned is the bullpen, we can trade susac for a decent arm at the deadline.
>>67794748
>Mariners vs. Giants World Series
Get ready for some low ratings
>>67794831
MS-13 is a Salvadorian gang.
>>67794708
>in his words
He's not going to spell out his whole approach in an interview. Same reason you hear literally the same thing from every hitter's interview ("I was up there just trying to get a good pitch to hit")
>>67794748
my dream world series desu
can ryu and mccarthy come back pls
>>67794839
The Dodgers have an equal shot at the division. SF problems run deeper than LA's. LA refuses to call up prospects, SF doesn't have any. LA has been playing like shit and SF isn't even 4 games ahead.
>>67794843
They're scattered around LA though. Surenos also to why Cali will win.
The Giants took 2 out of 3 from the Cubs, but they were lucky to
They managed one run off a 5th starter today, and that run was driven in by someone who is only in the lineup every 5 days
Not to mention the bullpen gave up several runs Friday and Saturday, which actually allowed the Cubs to end up with 4 more runs scored in the series than the Giants
This is a team with weaknesses that need to be addressed
>>67794842
good
>>67794843
I lived in Northern California even and there were Salvadorians...? What's your point?
>He doesn't know California is a shit hole packed to the rim with immigrants and gangs
>>67794748
>Bumgarner now has a career ERA of 2.99
>Bumgarner, Kershaw, and Sale are the only active pitchers with 500+ IP and a sub 3 ERA
>>67794865
Do you know how to google or does the cheeto dust on your fingers make it to slippery? the doydoys are 4.5 games back, literally third place and it's only getting worse.
The Rockies have a better chance at the division.
>>67794882
Phils won today
DINGERS DINGERS DINGERS
>>67794839
Posey and Panic were both predicted to be vying for a batting title this year, they are both batting under .270 with next to no RBIs. Pence, Span and Belt are all having great seasons though, Crawford is out of his slump and Pagan is going into his though.
How come you never see pitchers utilize different arm angles? Couldn't that allow for more deception or whatever?
>>67794891
Yeah just go to 49ers games.
I mean the same Mexicans start all the violence that come on the news.
At least they don't come to Giants games. I don't know why.
Assume the following pitchers all tear their UCL in their next respective start
Arrieta
Bumgarner
Kershaw
Sale
Syndergaard
Rank their teams from most to least fucked
>>67794911
>lastros
>fangraphs taking the MUH YOUNG TEAM THAT DEFINITELY WONT REGRESS bait
should stats sites ever be taken seriously?
>>67794865
Dodger "prospects" wouldn't be playing better than who they already have, that's why it's a moot point. Deny >us all you want lad, the fact is the Doyers underperform every year and the Giants max out their potential. If the Giants can stay somewhat healthy they'll win the division. I'm not using health as an excuse either, I'm just saying if they don't have three of their best players miss most of the season like last year then they have a good chance. There are definitely concerns though, there always are
>>67794919
1. dodgers
2. white sox
3. giants
4. cubs
5. mets
>>67794921
Their offense is pretty good desu.
Their pitching is what's regressing. And Kike L is a 1 year wonder.
They kinda fucked up the Giles trade though.
>>67794919
Doyers, Cubs, Giants, Mets
Don't the Mets have Wheeler in their back pocket?
>>67794921
muh moneyball
>>67794919
1. Dodgers
2. White Sox
3. Cubs
4. Giants
5. Mets
>>67794907
Because they've trained most of their life to perfect the arm angle they use. Delivering out of a different angle or arm slot is usually what causes bad pitches.
>>67794919
I don't really know how deep the other teams are, but the Giants would have to start Heston or Suarez who are probably 10-12 wins a season starters at best, compared to bumgarner's 17-19 wins a season at worst.
Can they win the West or even a wild card by over 7 games?
>>67794959
How many guys can even throw effectively with different motions? Cueto is one, but there can't be many more.
>>67794907
Mechanically you would not be able to spot every pitch in the same manner and even if you did that would be an instant tip seeing as it would probably be a secondary pitch and not the fastball.
It worked with Satchel Paige in the 40's because hitters were shit but it wouldn't work post 1960. Pitchers in 2016 have trouble repeating the same mechanics they've used since they were 15, trying some gimmick shit is the last thing they're trying for.
See: David Price, Shelby Miller, Strasburg, Lincecum, Tanaka etc.
>>67794944
Wheeler has a 3.50 career ERA, which is by no means bad but definitely not Syndergaard level, not to mention pitchers tend to struggle the first few months back from TJS
so he's a good depth piece, but you can't just say he's in the back pocket ready to step in for Syndergaard
>>67794911
>>67794921
>playoff probabilities in May
>>67794911
>first two months of road games and no series losses
>>67795002
t. Analslime
>>67795002
1/4 way through the season.
>>67795003
>>67795021
Based Fulgar made it happen
>>67795021
>tfw trying to use the background to figure out where they're at
>>67794908
It's a different crowd at Giants games and more expensive
>>67794919
1. White Sox (shit in non-Sale starts plus they might have to re-sign Danks for depth if this happened)
2. Dodgers (no depth at all)
3. Giants (rather reliant on Bumgarner)
4. Mets (would have put them at 5 on Opening day, but the injury concerns we've seen to Harvey, DeGrom, and Matz)
5. Cubs (they'd still be fucked, but have a few former starters in their bullpen to step in right a way)
>>67793665
I at least understand Cali posting so shitcongo
42-year-old Ichiro Suzuki is now 44 hits shy of 3,000
>>67795043
Westlake iirc
Looks like that, live North of there so I know
>>67795075
>mfw a 33 year old, chubby, rookie, platoon first baseman from Korea has turned into an almost universal fan favorite in 7 weeks.
>>67795073
>tfw you hope he will play his last game in a Mariners uniform
>>67795075
Ebin
>>67795056
>2. Dodgers (no depth at all)
Lol. the doyers may have more talent on the disabled list than any other team
>>67795116
Or at least do the whole 1 day contract thing.
I mean there's no way he doesn't go into the Hall of Fame as a Mariner. 11 and a half years in Seattle, 2 in NY, 2 (probably, if he gets 3k this year) in Miami.
>>67795131
so they have depth, they've just exhausted it all
in practice, however, they may as well have no depth right now
>>67795102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiS8hTrAqDE
This is how it all began
>>67795175
I know my friend, I was at the game.
>>67795141
Dude wants to play until he's like 45 or something.
Was thinking maybe we'd give him one farewell year just like Griffey (almost) got his due.
Retiring #51 is a must though.
Tfw based Ichi never played for your team
>>67795056
>Dodgers
>no depth
they literally got the best #3 in baseball on the DL and quite literally 4+ major league ready pitchers that arent even injured. That's not even digging into their position players and money.
You have to be on a different level of hate to refuse to acknowledge the supreme farm that LA has.
SF has a 0 top 100 prospects. That's frightening.
>>67795175
>Turning around 97 mph high and inside
>Walk off win to snap a 5 game skid
>team has the best record in baseball since that game
>2 clutch ding dongs in the game at Oakland to save Felix and get the comeback win.
Fuckin love the guy.
>>67795185
It's already retired you fucking retard. That was Randy's number.
Oops. Maybe it's only retired with AZ. Not gonna bother to Google.
>>67795235
m's haven't retired 51. most people think they're waiting for ichiro to get in the HoF for them to dual-retire it
>>67795250
Why tho? Yankees retired #8 twice, decades apart.
Why retire Randy's numbers 6+ years after his HOF induction?
>tfw first place
>>67795235
The qualifications the Mariners have for retiring numbers are strict as shit.
>a) been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame and been in a Mariner's uniform for at least five years, or b) come close to such election and have spent substantially his entire career with the Mariners. Eligibility shall not commence until after the former player has been voted on once for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, which for all practical purposes means six years after retirement. In this regard, the Mariners will take into consideration the policy of other American League clubs in retiring uniform numbers. This determination will also be made by the Board.
Currently there are no retired numbers.
24 is being retired August 6th.
>>67795264
Because no one is getting their number hung up before Griffey. plain and simple.
>>67795264
M's number retirement rules require the player to be a HoF. and if they're going to do 51 for Ichiro might as well just wait to do it at the same time. It's not like they're going to issue the number until it happens. They haven't retired a few numbers like Edgar's and Bunner's but they still don't issue those.
>>67795286
Well, Edgar is currently using his number.
>>67795264
You need to be in the Hall of Fame to get your number retired by us, and probably using a Mariner cap for your bust. Although Griffey was a no-brainer one way or another.
This is why I think Ichiro will get his #51. Randy put a D-Backs cap on his bust.
>>67795289
Edgar ain't in the hall though.
But the man should be.
>barves 2-17 at home
wtf
>>67795296
The Hall of Fame decides what hat you wear.
These are the official number retirement guidelines. (Subject to change at any time): >>67795275
>>67795304
Preachin to the choir my friend.
#EdgarHoF
>>67795311
I think Greg Maddux went teamless after his inability to decide between the Braves and the Cubs so idk
The 2016 Barves are the worst offensive team in the entire league, ever. From 1871 to now
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=nl&qual=0&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=1871&ind=1&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,a
>>67795331
He did that as a display of respect to the Cubs. Nobody ever, not even those who witnessed Maddux pitch in Chicago picture Maddux in their minds as a cub.
>>67795296
>>67795286
>>67795279
Sounds dumb af
>this reaction after outfield spaghetti costs you 3 runs
goddamn this kid's a trooper
>>67795426
That play wasn't easy. If puig who is pretty fast had to dive for it, the the other OF wouldn't even get the chance to miss.
>>67795396
>This pathetic b8 of a name
Don't respond
>>67795462
Even we dodger fans hate this faggot.
>>67795396
Don't really mind that. We have the Mariners Hall of Fame which pays respect to our players such as Edgar, Bone, Dan, Randy, Lou, Moyer, Niehaus etc. just that we don't retire numbers until we firmly believe they're just too good to touch again.
That being said why isn't Dave Niehaus in the Hall ;-;
#HoldTheDoor
>>67795462
Name another player who is more valuable to a team than what Kershaw is to the Dodgers.
>>67795478
You aren't a Dodger fan. You're some fucking Fairweather piece of shit who only makes an appearance after a W.
I'm always repping.
>>67795478
The funny thing is that he's the same type of turbo autist that Greinke himself is. His glory days are over but he's just milking it dry for whatever it's worth, even if it's somebody else just baiting with a name
Post your favorite broadcasting call of all time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8SBJzOEcyU
>>67795553
>tfw my parents were at that game
>>67795553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL3vNXIsEPM
>>67795566
Did they make you waiting for traffic to clear in the parking lot?
>>67795553
You just did.
>>67795578
I'd have to ask my parents that
But all I know is they got home super late. I was 8 at the time of the play.
>>67795545
He will never be Sandy Koufax. He will never be Pedro Martinez. He will never be Bob Gibson. He will always be a vanilla white boy that gets passed over in the news unless he has to be brought up
He will never win anything. He will toil away forever into the night and will be the name that future generations will say 'who's that?' about. No rings, no end results, no glory. Just a footnote in history that even tatted up Sureno Dodger fans couldn't care less about
Bumgarner>Kershaw 20 years from now til forever in the perception of everybody besides you and Vin Scully's rotting corpse
>>67795545
>I'm always repping
>>67795589
My favorite non-Mariners one is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0toCMwEBwLo
Vin is on another level.
Occasional reminder that the only team in the NL West (and the only team in California) not good enough to win a pennant in 27 years is the Los Angeles Doyers.
>>67795644
theres that ottoman humor again
>>67795791
Doesn't make sense
Back 2 leddit or /r9k/ or Facebook with whatever retarded shit you're trying to do
>>67795814
1908
>>67795814
god damn you're mad
>>67795551
>you will never shitpost with pissboi in Autumn 2015 ever again
why lice
>>67796028
No one's even talking about the Cubs
>>67796034
About what? I'm not a dodger or Cubs fan, I just don't like when people try to be funny and have no idea what they're even trying to say. Have fun being literally retarded
>u mad XD
>>67795545
remember that time you went MIA after the Dodgers postseason bye week against the mets?
>>67796028
What about 1908?
>>67795545
Fuck off. You weren't there during the mongolia bro days. You weren't even there when we blew cincy the autist the fuck out.
>>67795611
Not really. Nobody will remember bumgarner because he didn't win a cy young.
>>67796118
>nobody will remember the guy who almost singlehandedly helped the giants win the 2014 WS
>>67796129
He won't be mentioned along with gibson, koufax, maddux, pedro, etc...
>>67796136
Tons of great career pitchers who never won a Cy Young are remembered while lots of pitchers who have won Cy Youngs with meme seasons are completely forgotten, except as obscure footnotes like I said
>>67796129
His individual career numbers do not match-up against the all-time greats, especially not the all-time LHP. Kershaw's numbers do, whether you like him or not, Kershaw is will retire as one of the greatest of all time.... Bumgarner has 3 team awards.
>>67796192
and 3 WS rings
>>67796129
People will always see Bum as the #2 left-hander of the division. That will never change. Nobody outside of SF honestly belives Bum is better than Kersh
>>67796192
...but Bumgarner has a lower ERA than most pitchers in the hall of fame...and is on pace to win more games than a lot of hall of fame pitchers too...statistically of course
Do you really not understand that history remembers winners more fondly than players who never won anything?
>>67796203
And 0 individual achievements.
The highlight of his career are those 50 innings in 2014.
Kershaw has at this stage already has multiple career highlights and he hasn't even shown signs of decline. Kershaw hasn't even peaked.
>>67796215
the insecurity and hate is real lol
>>67796228
>0 individual achievements
other than a WS MVP, one of the lowest known ERA/WHIP's in the postseason/world series, and 2 silver slugger awards?
>>67796228
>Career 3.01 ERA and 90 wins at the age of 26 aren't accomplishments
Wew lad, how does it feel to know absolutely nothing about baseball?
>>67796238
Hmmm. Okay. Are you trying to say that people with Bumgarner's numbers don't get into the hall of fame or are you just trying to stop the conversation?
>>67796253
That's not what anyone is arguing. You're arguing that Bumgarner has achieved more than Kershaw and that he will be remembered more than Kershaw something that just simply is not true. You have to be able to take off those homer goggles and actually look at Kershaw and Bumgarner as individuals. Kershaw is the type of player that is only produced every few decades.
>>67796215
Bro, his career era will go up as he ages. So will Kershaw's. The question is how much longer can they keep lowering it before the slowdown happens. So we can't just use their career era as of right now. Of course he will be remembered by Giants fans too, but how long will he be remembered by the casual fan base in 20 years? Its like talking about the bulldog. A lot of casual fans don't know shit.
>>67796215
>>67796215
>Do you really not understand that history remembers winners more fondly than players who never won anything?
So what you're saying is that Sergio Romo and his three rings will be remembered more fondly than Clayton Kershaw's career?
I'm not even an NL fan but this is just ridiculous reasoning
>>67796288
nobody said that. now youre just grasping at straws
>>67796296
That's what you just said. I even put it in a greentext to highlight your stupidity
I have a question. Who will get remembered more, lincecum or bumgarner? By Giants fans that is?
>>67796302
no, you're trying to use a fucking relief pitcher as an example to starting pitchers. You're literally retarded
>>67796296
(You) literally did say that
>>67796269
New anon
While i completely agree that kershaw most definitely is the better pitcher (i dont understand who could deny that)
There is still something to be said for acomplishments that don't show up in career stats. Like bums insane post season resume. Not to mention the fact that he can hit about as a good as struggling position player and his fielding is outstanding.
Nowobviously those things don't really matter when comparing the better pitcher. Kershaw has the better stuff. But as an all around player considering what he's done in his career, you can make an argument for his compatison to kershaw. I wouldn't agree but i could understand that argument
>>67796269
Sorry bro, you need perspective. History likes winners. Some people can name as many subpar Yankee players from the 20th century as they can hall of farmers from other teams. Kershaw is not a winner. I guarantee you that in 50 years' time, Bumgarner and Kershaw will at least be mentioned in the same breath. One remembered as a good pitcher who was the ace of a team that won World Serieses, and one who was a great talent that couldn't handle the pressure or succeed in the playoffs. All you have to do is look to the past to see this. Time changes things
I always thought DG was memeing about the jints insecurity complex.
This is too funny to watch
>>67796308
So Michael Moorse will be remembered more than Don Mattingly?
>>67796313
I guess im not new anon cuz i left my name in lol
>>67796215
dude you are fucking out of your mind if you think kersh won't be remembered as one of the greatest ever
>>67796302
>>67796310
No he didn't. He's not even the guy you responded to, I am. And I didn't say that either. You're trying to steer the direction away from what I said because apparently you can't even address what I'm saying. This conversation isn't about who's a better pitcher, it's about who will be remembered more fondly. Bumgarner, a player who dominated at the highest level of baseball, or Kershaw who choked when the pressure was on
Feel free to bring up a completely unrelated player who doesn't have numbers that are on pace to be better than countless hall of farmers like Bumgarner's are
>>67796247
>>67796247
I think DG has done enough shitposting for you to know that Kershaw has the lowest ERA in history and basically every pitching award that can be awarded
>>67796372
he's quite literally not even top 100
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_season.shtml
>>67796372
>lowest ERA in history
....you know that's not true though right?
Why are you lying?
>>67796383
whoops, that was single season
career is just barely top 30
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/earned_run_avg_career.shtml
>>67796384
He is for starters I think.
Max scherzer is even better than madison bumgarner if you're talking strictly pitching talent
>>67796354
Never said he wouldn't be. I really wish you guys would quit twisting what I'm saying
Jake Arrietta has a 0.99 era over his last 29 starts, with more no hitters thrown (2) than losses (1). The Cubs were no hit in his loss.
>>67796383
>>67796384
Since 1901*
that's an INSANE statistic to own
If Kershaw can't get over the hump and AT LEAST GET to the goddamned World Series, no, he will never be all that fondly remembered. He will just be yet another elite player that didn't quite get it done. Ken Griffey, Jim Kelly, Charles fucking Barkley, whatever. Great? Yes. Transcendental? Sure. Local legends? Alrighty. But Good ENOUGH? Nope.
Right or wrong, actual postseason success matters in the minds of the vast majority of fans.
But if you want to throw a parade for athletes who don't win when it actually matters, nay, who ACTIVELY FAIL when it actually matters, that's fine. Have fun with that.
>>67796406
but mariano rivera has a lower ERA, as does babe ruth
>>67796359
I don't think you understand that Kershaw is not just some "really good pitcher" that we see every 3 years. The guy is putting up crazy 1920's numbers and will clearly be remembered as an ALL TIME great regardless of his post-season struggles.
>>67796405
Don't even try and make a claim for jake-halfagoodseason-arrieta
He will be seen as a novelty who randomly had a great couple of years. You can see it in his command, and his movement. His breaking balls look so flat compared to last season. His command is not as sharp. There is no way he could possibly continue that going into is thirties.
Clayton Kershaw progressive career era:
2008: 4.26
2009: 3.36
2010: 3.17
2011: 2.88
2012: 2.79
2013: 2.60
2014: 2.48
2015: 2.43
2019: 2.39
>>67796426
I wasn't. I was just posting a pretty cool stat.
>>67796417
Pretty sure it is only for starters, but you're right that babe ruth does. I think the next best after kershaw is whitey ford.
Noah Syndergaard has 4 career double digit strike out, 0 walks games.
David Cone had 3
Pedro had 2
Nolan Ryan had 0
>>67796433
Oh yeah, that is impressive,
Sorry to jump on you m8. Just get annoyed with people who actually think arrieta is GOAT after a good season
>>67796424
Yes, Kershaw is putting up the best regular season numbers of his era, so far
Bumgarner is still putting up hall of fame numbers+ post season dominance, and baseball writers and those in baseball are suckers for that stuff. That's all I'm saying. Everybody knows this
Now kiss the rings and shut the fuck up
And it's not just like Kershaw's teammates have fucked him over in the playoffs either. That would at least be kinda sympathetic. It's literally that niggas fault they lost...to a team that went on to get cucked by the Royals, to name just one example of his pants shitting.
It tarnishes his legacy GREATLY. Just accept it.
>>67796446
Nolan Ryan never had a double digit strike out game without a walk???
>>67796417
BBREF says Kershaw the lowest ERA in the live-ball ERA with a minimum of 1, 600 innings pitched (not limited to SP). Mariano didn't even pitch 1,600 innings.
Just think about that.
20% of Felix Hernandez's career starts he has pitched at least 7 innings while giving up 2 or fewer runs (Ultra quality start) and received either loss or no decision.
>>67796455
>2013 NLCS
>6IP
>2H
>Lose
I didn't make this up
>>67796460
where are you getting that from? I literally linked the list of ERA leaders all time and single season and kershaw was below him in both
>>67796457
He had 3 double digit K games with 1 walk. closest he got.
But Nolan Ryan also threw 7 (seven) no hitters.
>>67796457
He walked a shit load of people
>>67796455
His teammates were to blame in his first game vs the cards. Then the nigga had to have that horrible 7th inning after dominating the first 6. I was pretty pissed at that faggot.
>>67796481
Look at the innings pitched.
Middle relief is like the linemen in football. So underappreciated with a few big names here and there...
Granted a lot of them are failed starters so of course there will be those mediocre guys but still, i think its an underappreciated role
>>67796430
Are these projections?
>>67796482
Didn't he also throw a fair amount of single hit games?
>>67796484
Huh. Im younger than that era.
>>67796499
No. That is the progression of his career era from season to season.
>tfw hate seattle fans, but don't mind the mariners because of their colors and griffey
Its the video games man
>>67796505
What about the 2019?
>>67796516
Oh. Typo, should be 2016, through his most recent start
>>67796516
Think he fucked up. Should be 2016.
>>67796526
Could he possibly get it under 2? Even if it bounces back up that would be incredible given the innings pitched
>>67796540
It's mathematically possible. It would take a while.
>Madison Bumgarner will be remembered more than Clayton Kershaw
Last season Dallas Keuchel threw an average of 21 pitches per 9 IP at 90 MPH or better.
This season he's thrown 11.... Total.
The overall point here seems to be that if Kershaw had done anywhere near what Bumgarner had done in the 2014 postseason, THEN, yes, we could add that to his epic regular season stats and all get in line to suck his cock...
...but since he has only ever accomplished QUITE THE OPPOSITE of Bumgarner's postseason 2014, he's always going to be remembered as juuuust a little bit of a punk ass bitch. Contrasted with the other guy, who will be remembered for single handedly winning the fucking World Series.
Not saying it's fair, not saying it's right, just saying that's how history will remember him.
If the man can at least pitch in a World Series like ONCE and not, you know, fuck it all up for himself before he even gets there, then maybe he'll be elevated to god status.
Is this really that hard to understand? God, you're all morons.
>>67796540
If he averages 1 ERA over his next 1000 innings, he'd still be at 2.01 career ERA.
Not impossible, but unlikely to the point that you can call it realistically impossible.
>>67796576
Did Kershaw fuck your bitch?
K, I was just fucking with you guys for the most part, but there was truth to what I said. Bumgarner is just overshadowed by Kershaw and I thought I'd pump him up a bit. Kershaw will obviously be remembered as a great, but so will Bumgarner, and I guarantee that in the future they will often be brought up together in conversation. Like in a Peyton/Brady, Mays/Mantle kind of way, but not exactly the same. People really does love World Series wins though, and players who win, I'm not making that up
>>67796608
Let me just back track from here
>>67796608
Kershaw fucked this dudes bitch lol
>>67796608
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>67796608
Someone said a couple years ago or maybe more recently, that in football you're remembered if you win championships. But in baseball, it doesn't matter, you can spend your entire career on a losing team and put up hall of fame numbers and your legacy will not be tarnished for not winning the big game. (Paraphrasing)
I think there is alot of truth to that and no matter what kershaw will be one of the greatest and remmbered for a long time
>>67796634
No...I just said there was truth in what I said, but I went hard to get a rise out of people. Literally everything I said in my posts was true
>>67796640
That's complete bullshit actually and something losers tell themselves to feel better. Yeah, you'll be 'remembered' but in nowhere near the same way
>>67796668
I dont think so. We can disagree.
You fucking idiot, he'll be remembered for being the one his team was counting on, the one who HAD TO CARRY THEM, and who simply couldn't. He'll be remembered for actively shitting his pants. On more than one occasion. Over multiple years.
Are we speaking the same language? Jesus Christ.
Did jbj get a hit
>>67796668
>one of the greatest pitchers in the history of baseball with be forgotten because he never won a ring
t. Insecure and retarded SF poster
>>67796680
Who are you mad at?
>>67796687
1 for 3 with a walk
>>67796676
Who is more well known?
Lou Gherig or Jimmy Foxx?
Harmon Killebrew or Frank Robinson?
>>67796697
Exciting
In 2001 Ichiro Suzuki won:
Gold glove
Batting title
Stolen base title
Rookie of the Year
AL MVP
>>67796705
>>67796705
Jimmy foxx and gherig won series
>>67796705
Who cares? All I know is that Bum is a beast and has 3 rings
>>67796692
Twisting what I said again. A shame that people who vouch for Kershaw need to do this. I've said at least three times in this thread that obviously he'll be remembered. He won't be remembered in anywhere near the same way he would've if he could pitch in the playoffs. This is such a clear, simple fact and I don't know why people don't want to accept it
>>67796722
>Who cares
casual as fuck
>>67795553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB9wi_zvMdM
>>67796720
Yeah I know, but you didn't answer the question
>>67796705
Ill give you that i only hardly remember killebrew from a book i read a while back but he wasnt as good a player as robinson. So it makes sense
>>67796731
Whats your point then?
>>67796722
That's my point...stop being a fucking retard and trying to go against what I'm saying
Who else /CT/ here
>>67796743
That there's more to being remembered than just who has better numbers, there's a lot of factors that go into it
>>67796668
>Barry Bonds
>>67796776
I mean i feel like youre trying to raise a different argument here. Im saying that the ws win doesnt matter in baseball and you claim it does. Like thats cool if you disagree we can have this talk, but that comparison doesnt make sense to me. The killebrew one was a good comparison but as i said he is also not as good a player as Robinson
>>67796779
Exactly. Bonds would be worshipped in the baseball world if he won. Now he's an often ignored piece of history that people would rather skip over than talk about unless they have to
This was your point right?
>>67796810
Barry Bonds is already worshipped in baseball, by people who don't have their heads up there own asses.
>>67796810
That is completely untrue in every regard. He is not forgoten at all. He is widely considered one, if no the greatest hitters of all time. The only thing that tarnishes his reputation is peds and even with that, no one can deny that he was a once in a lifetime talent
>>67796802
Well yeah, that was these were the first somewhat comparable players that popped into my mind, where one is remembered higher than the other for different reasons
>>67796845
Ok? Well if you come up with one that is applicable to this conversation lay it on me
>>67796810
>>67796819
I worship Barry Bonds because he was my favorite Baseball player as a kid
>>67796859
Same, but not Barry Bonds
>>67796826
That's why he's not in the hall of fame huh?
>>67796826
He's often skipped over or summarized really quick because it's a bit awkward and uncomfortable to talk about. I bet if won and had the added bonus of being seen as a 'team player' there would have been more forgiveness
>>67796877
You fucking moron, you already know that's not why, but you're deliberately implying that bonds not having a ring is why he isn't in the hall.
>>67796852
Fuck off faggot. Does everything to need to fit 100% into your rigid parameters to be discussed? Fuck your passive aggressive bullshit, you see the point perfectly and you get it you're just feigning ignorance. Do they need to have the exact same stats?
>>67796877
What are you talking about.. some one help me with this idiot..
Look, ted williams, ernie banks, robin yount, tony gwynn, ken griffey jr.
Are all these players not amazing players with great legacies?
>>67796898
It's not black and white. Each thing effects the other. No World Series wins adds to the (true) illusion of him being a selfish stat padder
My dad met Bonds at a girl's volleyball divisional championship (my sister played, evidently Bonds' daughter was there on another team). When my dad called out BARRY!!! he gave a nervous look, presumably because he wasn't sure if he was gunna get shit for taking PEDs. kinda sad to think about.
>>67796906
Griffey (Highest percent of hall of fame votes OF ALL TIME. Without a ring)
>>67796873
I liked him too, I had a Nintendo 64 Ken Griffey game, if he was up to bat and you put in a code he would point his bat to the outfield stands and if you made contact is was a no doubter home run.
>>67796924
;_;
>>67796906
Are you really trying to say they wouldn't be thought of even higher if they won a bunch of World Series?
>>67796901
No i want to have a discussion that makes sense you fucking mongol.
A comparison of two players who both wom the series makes no sense for this fucking conversation. If i pick either one wha does it prove then?
dont tell me shit about many differences that create a legacy besides numbers because everyone knows that and no one is arguing that.
Tell me what the point to be made is here in this argument distinguishing gehrig from foxx. Because of fucking disease? Youre a fucking idiot. Kys
>>67796930
Thats a hypothetical that obviously cant be answered. Who is to say? But these examples prove that players with comparable stats can be held to the same regard whether they won the series or not
>>67796723
You say this as if bumgarner never got his shit pushed in by the SAME team Kershaw struggled against.
>bumgarner vs cards
>3.2IN
>8H
>2HR
>6ER
>11.25 ERA
that's worse than any Kershaw start...EVER
>>67796906
This dude is so mad at Kershaw and I can't figure out why.
>>67796942
Well, I guess that's the conversation then
Peace
>>67796955
Lmao good talk.
>>67796953
Not mad at Kershaw at all...
I've literally said at least 3 times now that he's amazing and having one of the best careers ever...so talking about how success changes a player's perception years down the line means I hate Kershaw? If you say so
>>67796969
Double sixty nine. Nice
>>67796955
You sent back all SF Giants fans 50 years. You'll probably be featured on deadspin
>>67796969
Faggot
>>67796979
How'd I do that?
>>67796953
So you're telling me that Bum's worst playoff start is WORSE than even Kershaw's worse playoff start?
>>67796981
Ok how are people mad at me for making my points. And if you disagree don't just say fagot. God i hate how you cant have a real fucking discussion anymore because everyone is so butt hurt about people disagreeing with them
I dont care if you disagree with me but actually make a point. I think i made my point clear
>>67797016
But you can tell me to kill myself?
lmao, good talk
>>67797066
Have you never been on 4chan?
Jesus christ m8.
>>67797078
...but you get mad when I call you a faggot?
Have you never been on 4chan?
>>67797086
No i just thought we were going to actually talk about it. But then you decided to get mad when i called out your points so i responded with a long message about how your point made no sense followed by a kys. And you gave me a single word reply, faggot.
Definitely not mad at all i just find it funny
>>67797127
lol, except that's not even what happened, I saw that you were getting flustered and obviously didn't see things the way I did and that I wouldn't get through to you so I said that's it, see ya later. Then you responded by being a condescending cunt and saying, 'lmao good talk' so then I called you a faggot. And here we still are
>>67797167
Look man if you're not the same anon that called me out before i said kys or the one that got upset about bonds then im sorry. But dont say i got "flustered" ive been fucking laughing since >>67796901
I thought it deserved a kys.
I gotta get ready work. Sorry if i triggered you
>>67797781
>He'll save children but not the dodger children
>Edison Volquez is the biggest FA pitcher of the 2016-17 offseason
>>67798741
Just wait for the 2017-2018 FA.
It's pretty funny are butt hurt Dodger's fans are about Arrieta. He's about as close to a modern day Sandy Koufax as you can get. His inexplicable improvement is much bigger than Koufax's was though.
>>67798793
>inexplicable
Pilates are clearly known for turning replacement-level literally whos into Cy Young winners, senpai
Would Koufax have been a HOF'er without his postseason / World Series heroics?
Asking because of all the Koufax - Kershaw comparisons.
>These two pitchers pitched perfect games with 14 Ks
>>67798849
Probably not. Koufax only had four seasons that can be considered HoF worthy. Voters didn't have much to go off of other than those seasons, and his postseason performances.
Is the 2015 version of Pro Yakyuu Spirits Baseball really worth it or will I be fine getting an older one for slightly cheaper?
>>67798869
Koufax and Cain
>>67798928
Correct, who is the pitcher that pitched a perfect game with the fewest pitches (74)?
>>67798962
Joss I think. Had to be one of those early 1900's ones where nobody pitched for the strikeout.
Is Matt Cain Hall of Fame worthy?
>>67799004
Addie Joss is correct, name 1 of 2 home plate umpires that have called 2 perfect games.
>>67799031
>Is Matt Cain HoF?
No. He fell off a fucking cliff and never got the recognition he deserved in his prime because he was a flyball pitcher and not a strikeout guy.
>>67797781
>Phillippe Aumont
>>67799031
Joe West?
>>67799053
What if he gets another ring?
>>67799065
Incorrect
AAaaand...... 500
>>67799097
Great job
>>67799097
Or not.
>>67799074
Doesn't matter. He's not getting in. Bumgarner and Posey are likely HoF players assuming they age well. Cueto is a borderline HoF player. Everyone else on the Giants is either too young to tell or definitely not getting in.
Someone give me an image I'll make the new OP
>>67799107
Sounds right
>>67799107
>bumgarner
>HOF
lol
>>67796304
lincecum after he beats bum in game 7 this year
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