Want to watch a non-top flight cup final today? Then the Scottish Cup is for you!
Rangers, looking for their first success in the competition since reformation in 2012, face the perennial runners-up Hibernian, who last won the cup 114 years ago(!) and have lost 10 finals since.
Kick-off is at 3:00pm with coverage on BBC One Scotland and Sky Sports 1.
Sevco 5088: Foderingham; Tavernier, Kiernan, Wilson, Wallace; Halliday, Holt, Zelalem; Waghorn, Miller, McKay.
>Subs: Bell, Burt, Shiels, Law, Clark.
"Irish" Bottlejobs: Logan; Gray, Hanlon, Fontaine, McGregor, Stevenson; McGeouch, McGinn, Fyvie; Cummings, Stokes.
>Subs: Oxley, Henderson, Bartley, Boyle, Keatings, Gunnarsson, Dagnall.
>>67738045
>Zelalel
Can't wait for hibs to get destroyed desu
Would this be Rangers2's first major trophy if they won?
>>67738045
Wait
Why does Rangers only have 5 guys on their bench?
who /zelalel/ here
>>67738231
here
TSUUUUUUUUUUU
>>67738191
Yes.
>>67738224
No law states you need to have the maximum amount.
>>67738224
They are poor as fuck now that they're not scamming local businesses and dodging tax.
>>67738478
Do unused subs get a winners medal?
Seems like the manager could've named a couple of lads as a gesture.
>>67738045
>>67738191
>>67738478
>Scottish football fans still clinging onto this meme that we're not the same club.
>Hibs
Don't recognize a single Rangers player thought they were supposed to be a big club.
>>67738766
> finland ten years behind as usual
>>67738643
>we
How many fenian faces have you panned in mate?
>Rangers v Hibs
>Man Utd v Palace
>Bayern v Dortmund
Great day.
>>67738045
Come on, Hibees!
>Judy Murray
Hope the rangers scum loise
Who Jambo here?
Channel all your positive energy to Hibs' big, fat goalie.
>>67738921
aye
>all of these cup finals
Yasss
Cummings has the most disgusting hair. looks like a fucking wig
Cummings looks so punchable
Easiest fucking triple of my life desu senpai
Crystal Palace would literally bootyblast both these teams
>>67738924
\( ._. )/
anyone got a decent stream? reddit doesn't have much
>>67738965
>>67738974
Hes a adamjohnsonesque paedo aswell.
>>67738999
The Queen's own BBC
oh ffs are you kidding me that was piss poor defense
fuck...
>SEVCO
>SETTING UP THE FINAL HIBSING
glorious
It's happening, isn't it?
>conceding to a Celtic player
btfo
>>67739025
>>67739025
I'm on the other side of the world
>went for lunch
>already a goal
dammit, any good?
Sevco gonna choke their first attempt at a real trophy
>>67739051
What about a proxy
>>67739051
VPN + iPlayer?
Which clubs generate more butthurt than Rangers? Can't be many
The absolute state of Stokes lmao
>>67739219
Celtic 's youth side experienced a lot of butthurt.
BJK!
http://www.strawpoll.me/10270513
http://www.strawpoll.me/10270513
>>67739077
>>67739085
I have zenmate. is it being streamed on the bbc website or what?
>>67739308
Google 'Watch BBC One Scotland'
>>67739308
It should be on bbc scotland iPlayer
>>67739323
>>67739335
Got it working, cheers lads
Are there teams similar to Rangers in England? Right wing, traditional, monarchist.
>this sevco team
Literally bottom 6 next season
>>67739432
Chelsea? Millwall?
>>67739432
lelsea have always had an association with rangers
>>67739432
Chelsea, Millwall, etc.
All the scummiest clubs with low IQ fanbases..
They should play this instead of the kids game before the FA Cup final for entertainment.
>the child raping hamlet of fenianism
>>67739432
Yeah there's a few, just don't brown-nose them when they find out you're a Catholic and essentially, a German.
>>67739492
Rasheed
>>67739492
As opposed to the clubs with really clever fans?
>>67739500
Fuck off bruno
>hibees
>>67739492
t. Abdullah Barbosa
Anyone got a stream for a local leith boy on tour in Argentina?
Why do Scottish teams bum Ireland?
>>67739527
My name is Norbert :)
Theyve hibsed it desu
>>67739635
Scotland is an Irish colony
Great game.
>>67739635
The famine
>letting Miller get a free header
DON'T DO THAT
>>67739661
Source?
>>67739687
Belfast
>>67739635
Catholic Irish immigrants during the famine set up their own football teams in Glasgow (Celtic), Edinburgh (Hibernian) and Dundee (Dundee United, formerly Dundee Hibernian).
>>67739635
They act like hard men from within their own grounds, but they never show these colours when they're drinking and having a laugh in Dublin for a qualifier game.
>>67739635
Because they're cucks
RANGERS RANGERS RANGERS
>>67739759
>brits
>not cucks
t. Abu Abdullah al-Britani
>>67739743
>glasgow tims and huns
>going to scotland games
pick none
>>67739623
if you want a decent stream you'll probably have to do what I did and watch the bbc scotland iplayer stream through a proxy on your browser
>>67739759
They're Scottish and would rather support Ireland
Literally cucks
>>67739623
>Someone from Leith
>Capable of affording a plane ticket to Argentina, let alone food and accommodation
Pick one, Pedro.
Who's looking forward to Barton vs Brown next season?
this is most probably going to be the most entertaining cup final this weekend
>>67739635
Hibs fan here, we don't like the cunts who go to games with the Irish flag
Out of Hearts, Rangers and Celtic, we're the only ones who like to wave a saltire, unlike the Union Jack lovers and the fenians with their Irish flags
>mfw Hibs win the cup and Trainspotting 2 manages to sneak a cheeky reference to it into the movie
>>67739996
Hope they end each other's careers desu
Bretty gud half desu
>>67740019
yeah, i'd imagine the irish flags today are all about winding up rangers fans rather than giving a fuck about ireland
who /pissedalready/ here?
Union-Rangers broship tbhlads
>>67740050
There are folk that do turn up with those flags anyway, but Saltires are always more welcome.
>>67740019
Then you are the biggest fools of all. At least Rangers fans are smart enough to hide behind the union jack and all of England's accomplishments.
>>67740090
literally the scum of the world m8
if this country has to suffer a terorist attack, i hope it's at least at ibrox or parkhead on a matchday
up the celts
>>67739025
Fuck the queen and it's shitty biased bbc. I'd rather watch it from North Korea.
>>67740124
>all of England's accomplishments
what are they again? must have forgotten
>>67739492
This, far right teams tend to be scum. Rangers, Chelsea and Millwall
ahm a hibs boi
>>67740170
Chelsea aren't really like that anymore, they're just a Russian billionaires play toy. Most of the EDL mongs fucked off or got banned
>>67739759
>If I post Rangers enough, they'll think we're the same team!
>>67740157
Everything good in Scotland was created by a proud Englishman.
>>67740090
>not being a yes voting rangers fan
>>67738045
I love Spanish cock in my anus
>>67740229
If only all huns were this rational
>>67740226
What about the based Killer Whales?
>>67740229
>>67740258
>Every single Scottish thread descends into obsessed yes voters wanking each other off
Embarrassing
>>67738883
A Celtic and Hibs love in. My my you scottish/British football fans are lovely :)
>>67740283
I hate killer whales. They are fucking vicious murdering fuckers and yet everyone seems to love them.
>>67740340
I know what you mean; there are people in Glasgow who glorify the IRA.
Sevco cheating already, scum
>>67740340
>animals
>murderers
>>67740340
>killing the people who capture them and force them to entertain them
They are based.
>>67740300
>Being a poshfag monarchial unionist
>>67740405
>I get my political opinion from Australian movies and a washed up comedian
>>67740362
You won't hear me disagree. The IRA are cucks of the HIGHEST order.
>>67740488
>I get my political opinion from angry neckbeards on the internet who've never even shagged a bird
>>67740226
Everything good in Scotland is Scottish
75% of good things in England are Scottish
>>67740543
Like what?
>it's a Scottish thread descends into outdated polictical bullshit episode
Every time.
You're all embarrassing.
>tfw never visited edinburgh
>>67740550
If only there was an important football game on to talk about instead
>>67740550
Fuck off, Muhammed.
>>67740569
Its fucking shit
Go to Glasgow, score some heroin and fuck a slag while eating a scooby snack (pic related)
what illness do I use to phone a sicky tomorrow lads?
>>67740549
Street lights
Penicillin
Association Football
>>67740639
>forgetting capitalism
>>67740594
I'm Scottish too. I just don't feel the need to turn every Scottish-related discussion on the internet into politics.
>>67740636
Head lice.
Great one if you don't mind the stigma.
>>67740639
Do Scots have specific lessons at school where they just talk about Scottish inventions?
Why do Scots always talk about the Bank of England being founded by a Scot but neglect to mention the Bank of Soctland was founded by an Englishman?
>>67740622
can i get a scooby snack without going into a city of housing projects
how much did Sevco have to pay for rangers stadium?
>you will never be scottish
such a good feeling
will stokes get a fucking yellow card already?
Cummings needs to be taken off.
>>67740549
the TV
the Telephone
Kate Middleton
Andy Murray
all of our leaders and prime ministers for the past 50 years (either directly scottish or from scottish ancestry)
james bond
the british empire
the smoking ban in public places
Rangers refball is disgusting
Good blooter though
wee beauty
That, was a goal!
>>67740736
he was replying to a post which literally asked for examples you poof
>another halliday blooter
>It's a people take pride in the fact that they're born in the same area of land as a person who made a popular invention thread
Really doubt the FA Cup final will be half as fun as this has been and its still got 25 mins more to play.
HE HATES THE POPE AND THE IRA
ANDY HALLIDAY!
>>67740549
cuckoldry
deep fried mars bars
>>67740742
You can't go into a Western city on Earth without it having housing projects senpai
>114 years and counting
>>67740844
>Van Laal with manure
>Pardew
It'll be shit
>>67740840
Hello Tariq
>>67740736
>Do Scots have specific lessons at school where they just talk about Scottish inventions?
Yes, in a way. A segment of of a lesson on inventions would be dedicated to Scottish inventions. We're only a country of five million but have produced far more than you'd proportionally expect.
>>67740736
Never heard of the subject history? Cant say im suprised to learn the english cirriculum consists solely of islamic studies
>>67740955
Well, there's fuck all else to do in Scotland desu
>>67741018
Never heard of English? Because you clearly can't fucking read it.
We focus on important events in our history lessons, and Scotland is mentioned very little, whereas your entire history involves England. All a bit embarrassing really.
>>67741106
You seem angry and can't follow your own dribblings now. Do we focus too much on scotland or on england?
>>67741059
There's quite a lot to do when your time isn't restricted by the next call to prayer.
>>67741106
>Scotland is mentioned very little
So all your history lessons are pre-union? Explains a lot about your education levels.
>this game
>this thread
>andy walker
>stokes
>stubbs
>cummings
>the city of scotland
>lost last 10 Scottish cup finals
Biggest chokes?
scotland was a mistake
>>67741201
Heroin is haram desu
Woah
HE'D POPPED TO THE LOO!
>sevco
>stubbs missing the goal
This match is so excitingly shite
>>67741305
>says a literal accidental country
STOKES
STOKES
STOKES
This is going to be the best match of the day isnt it
Also horrible OP, literally makes the thread invisible.
>>67741560
>thinking english people would watch this
>>67741609
I'm English and watching it
SEVCO BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
SUCK DICK ROYALIST SCUM
>Rangers
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
> theyve sevco'd it
>Glasgow
Just nuke that city
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
RANGERS SCUM BTFO
>BEING THE TEAM THAT BROKE THE CURSE
>SEVCO
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Has scottish football gone too far?
>Rangers Hibs'd it
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>H U N S
WE DID IT
THIS DOES NOT SLIP
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
ETERNAL BOTTLERS
>THE 4 YEAR OLD CLUB OF SEVCO
THEY'VE ONLY GONE AND DONE IT
THEY'VE ONLY GONE AND WON IT
WHAT A SHITTY FENCE
>>67741744
Nice.
Scumbag rangers fans attacking Hibs
>Scottish "people"
lol Scotland
WILL THE RANGERS EVER RECOVER FROM LOSING THEIR FIRST EVER SCOTTISH CUP FINAL?
>Scottish football
>scottish ''''''''''people'''''''' acting like 3rd world savages
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>mickey mouse cup
>meme teams
>meme score
GET THE HORSES DOWN WE'VE GOT A RIOT ON THE GO!
commentators butthurt as fuck
>t-t-they can still Hibs this
>L-l-look at the fans this has ruined the game
STAY MAD SEVCO
THIS
DOES
NOT
SLIP
>Scottish ''''people''''
lel
Hampden Park not fit to host football. It's literally impossible to invade the pitch at Wembley
Post riot webm
DISMANTLING THE GOALPOSTS
Rangers can't handle the bantz
literally the Millwall of Scotland
A victory for Hibs' wives, they get a day off from the ol' belt
>>67741864
fuck you ahmed
Is an horse an athlete?
here it comes
>irish flags
scots are such cucks jesus christ
Are hibernian the muh heritage club of Edinburgh?
HAHA RANGERS HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Stadiums should have a moat around the pitch
fuck i love you scot bros
if aussies invaded a pitch and sstarted brawling itd be a national day of sadness for 10 years
Worse than IS
>muh religion
>britbattles
Scotland is hilarious
>Scotland still 50 years behind
>butthurt as fuck Nevin
Scottish police half asleep
Scottish stewards too scared to do anything
Not having protective moat preventing a pitch invasion.
Scotland 3rd world country.
>zelalem found a way to lose against the biggest chokers ever
>american players
My sides
So many white people there bit disgusting 2bh.
>>67741914
yes.
Blu nose butt hurt will fucking explode in Glasgow tonight.
>Hampden is literally down the road from me.
>commentators having a cry
who gives a fuck like? let the boys have their fun
I see Sevco inherited the scummy fans along with the titles from Rangers
kek
Does this mean the SNP will fall or will the Tories get the blame for the pitch invasion?
>complaining about a pitch invasion when there's been over a 100 years since the last cup win
>Sevco
>>67741912
Celtic/Hibs Irish cucks
Rangers Queen cucks
this is why I usually only watch the NT because the SPFL is a shitty cuck league
>>67741974
>huns
>white
They are orcs
>fan celebrating
>violent pitch invasion
pick one
>this isn't what we want to see
lol the huns are mad
Bombay Street 2.0 when?
>>67741955
After he went off they lost all possession in the midfield.
Oh look Rangers fans are rioting again.
What's with those animals? They are like savages that can't control themselves.
>>67741974
> t. achmed
>English """people"""" being triggered by football fans celebrating
>Aussie Bros are cheering it on
Cheers lads
>>67741988
It's not the pitch invasion, on the radio they're really understanding to the Hibs fans, they're angry at the Rangers fans for coming down and fighting and the police for being so slow it trying to stop it.
>>67742008
THE PROLES MAY NOT EXERCISE AUTONOMY
THEY MIGHT GET IDEAS
SHUT IT DOWN
can we shell Glasgow?
>commentators so incredibly mad
>delaying the time before they can get the trophy
no they're prolonging the celebration, you filthy proddie cunt
this is proof that having a 98% white country is bad, whites act like savage animals
you don't see this behaviour in 80% white england
>Scotland being an embarrassment to the UK
kys
>>67742034
Police are busy coming up with an excuse as we speak. The fans forced the gate m8
>>67742052
no, you just squash each other to death
>The Rangers
I always wonder what stewards are supposed to do at football matches. Do they just get paid for watching the match?
I wish scotland would just fuck off already. They're literally 60 years behind
>these UcuK commercials
fucking embarrassing
sort yourselves out UcuK
You won't see a picth invasion at Wembley because its actually a proper modern stadium that was build to host big games. Hampden won't get the CL final ever again now.
>>67742097
my mate is one
your company give you a spot and then you just do what the police tell you apparently
if anyone does anything bad you tell the police
>>67742097
the ones at the bottom are like jannies. they have to stare up at the fans and can only alert the police if they see anything suspicious.
there are lucky ones who get to hang around the stands in amongst the fans on the stairs etc that basically get paid to watch the game
>>67742034
on the radio they might be understanding but on sky the commentary wasn't
"scenes like from the 80s" "a disgrace" spoiling the victory"
>>67742097
Bring the VIP people tea?
>rangers will be finishing behind Brenny for the next few seasons
oh i am laffin
>fans on the pitch to celebrate
>a bad thing
get a fucking grip lads
>>67742123
>EPL has no heart
thank you mister obvious
>>67742123
Oh no! What will we do now?
>>67742141
>thinks rangers will even be in the top half of the table
they can't even beat a championship team
>>67742108
we're ahead of you in everything m8.
you're only debating your indyref now
SUICIDE WATCH
>>67742166
Maybe dig a moat around the pitch, like a civilised country.
>Scot cucks went back to their pens after like 5 minutes
pathetic, let em stand out there
>>67742129
the guy on my stream quickly said something like you don't really condone this but it's really understandable and they're great scenes here and that it was all pretty amicable
>>67742123
We held the biggest and best. Still a record attendance
>>67742123
Has anything happened at new Wembley deserving of a pitch invasion?
>>67742203
Won't get the trophy presented until their off. They'll be back on soon.
>>67742195
Police Scotland did us proud in all honesty. Way more organised and civilised than South yorkshire police
>>67742123
>implying the Scottish FA have enough money to bribe UEFA to bring the CL to Hampden
>>67742216
You can't invade the pitch when your stadium is 90% corporate boxes
As a Rangers fan, all I can say is well done to Hibs. They wanted it more, played with speed and ran the Gers ragged. I can't believe Hibs from playing like that didn't win the play offs. Either way, well done.
>>67742233
>muh presentation
who cares like? enjoy the moment its never gonna happen again
now the police will have a plan in place to deal with pitch invaders v2.0 so theyll probably get maced to fuck
>the civilised unionist
give us the cup now, this is taking the piss a bit
>>67742260
Thanks mate. Rangers played very well as well. Had me scared you were going to make it 115.
>>67742216
Wigan's cup win?
But Wigan dont have the fans
>English teams invading the pitch every time one is promoted
>zero trouble
>a team has the gall to beat the mighty Glasgow Rangers (2012) and they're on the pitch looking for trouble
Huns gonna hun
hibees to win europa league
>Why do you think we should hire you as Sportscene presenter or commentator?
>WATP
ah yes very impressive
>scene from WW1 innit?
fuck me dead you scottish cunts are soft as baby shit
whats your fucking problem?
>>67742418
*masonic handshake*
its going to be a good night in town
>>67742427
except we aren't
it's the bbc at it again
>>67742456
im watching a skysports1 stream
its fucking pathetic
youd think something bad had happened
pitch invasions are literally nothing
>>67742485
yeah you're right i don't understand why they are making it into a big issue, they happen fairly often here too
>>67742195
haha wow
>>67742485
They always make a big deal out if shit like this.
>>67742456
the beeb is all about dignity
>>67742485
and sky is all about sensationalism
combines into the same exaggeration
>Rangers' hibs'd it
>>67742646
worst thing is you cunts have a reputation for being fun rowdy cunts
then some cunt runs on the pitch and its a meltdown
you fucking cunts are make believe, youre not banterers, youre whingers, fucking sad man
>>67742260
>As a Rangers fan, all I can say is well done to Hibs.
Choke on it, ya fuckin hun bastard.
>>67742750
how is it a meltdown
>>67742750
Holy shit you're so fucking mad. I'm sorry a big muscular jock cucked you but 4chan isn't the place to take your rage out.
>englishmen shocked by pitch invasions
Is this the comfy sectarian fa cup thread now?
sunshine on leith
>>67742835
MA HEART WAS BROKEN
>>67742750
You seem to be the only one having a meltdown
>huns
https://mobile.twitter.com/SingleMaltSuds/status/734050698061619200/video/1
>unironically punching a horse on the arse
>The state of sevco
>>67742989
embarrassed for such a cucked culture
cant even pitch invade without it being headlines
now we conquer Europe.
Just seen the SKY coverage of the end of the Match.
What the fuck is wrong with those dour fuckers, The BBC thought it was pretty good and that the Rangers fans attacking was the negative.
>>67743089
>Both Edinburgh teams in the Europa
Let's do it boys.
>>67738045
What a day
>>67742761
Cheer up, enjoy your day hibbee you won! No need to be so bitter :)
>>67743178
Rangers cant do no wrong on sky because thats half their income.from scotland viewers. Selik being the other.
>Sevco FC (AKA The Rangers) fans at it once again
Can't trust that mob.
>>67743487
How dare they hibs hooligans antagonise them. The icf were just sitting being happy for hibs and those capital city boys had to come with the leith young team and start trouble.
Hibs bring.shame to the game.
>>67743547
I'm especially disgusted that they planted so many Hibs fans in amongst the Rangers support in order to falsely blame Rangers for invading. Disgusting what they do to the proud Sevco fans
BAHAHAHAHA
Well done Stokes
>Rangers Football Club is shocked at the disgraceful behaviour of Hibs fans at full time.
Rangers players and staff were assaulted by these fans who invaded the pitch and in the interests of their safety could not return to the pitch for the medal presentation.
There can be no place for the violent behaviour witnessed at the end of the Final and Rangers fully expect the Scottish Football Association and Police Scotland to launch an investigation to find out where security measures failed.
The Club would like to commend Rangers fans for the restraint the showed under severe provocation.
SO SO salty
>>67743616
Welcome aboard.
>>67743616
Very well organised by fans bitter of the disappointment of mot beimg able to play topleague football next season.
Hopefully uefa bans these thugs from the european spot they will surely use to sully the great reputation scotland fans (particularly built by rangers) abroad.
>>67744049
>the great reputation scotland fans (particularly built by rangers) abroad.
You can't seriously be this fucking deluded
>>67744049
>particularly built by rangers
Rangers fans cause trouble anywhere they go, particularly in Europe when they get beat
>>67744049
Aye, Manchester fucking loved you lot didn't they, hun.
why do yuropoors hate pitch invasions? shit happens all the time in american football (particularly in college football)
>>67744100
>>67744127
Of course, hibs has got its young team here trying to disgrace the reputation of scotlands finest team.
Surely you hooligans dont believe the lies your edinburg based newpapers are portraying. The East and West divide has gone on too long. Surely you see that there is only one scotland, and that is based on the great Glaswegian friendliness and cultural superiority.
>>67744049
>huns
>good reputation
He-heh, we're back right guys? BIG JIM KNEW eh?? They need old firm to survive fucking Hibs thinking their all great winning & shit
>>67744274
I used to pitch invade when I was a kid, lel
>>67744274
Because you don't have away fans
>>67744302
What do you measure cultural superiority in? Amount of benefit claims, or smashed windows?
>>67744302
Celtic are the ones who get the fifa fair play award for excellent fan behaviour abroad.
Rangers are the opposite, trash cities when they lose and are hated the world over.
>>67744274
Football hooligans and some Liverpool fans getting dead.
>The bbc was actually fair on the invasion saying that it was expected considering the magnitude of the victory.
But then of course pat nevin the hibs thug would side woth his lot.
>>67744400
>Getting dead
Holy shit, did the horse kick you in the head after you punched it?
>>67744400
lel always comes back to
>>96
liverpool is a cancer to england
>>67744371
East coast has dundee and fife.
Pretty sure if that was a measurement then East Coast would be superior.
>>67744387
>trying to sully gers fans good name.
Celtic fans are always singing.such rude and racist songs.
Rangers merely sing cultural folk.songs.
>>67744672
Explain this then you delusion hun bastard
>>67744762
>no rangers gear
>union jack
Looks like England fans in Europe.
>>67744813
Well it isn't, search 'rangers manchester riot'.
It's what your lot did when they lost.
>>67744813
>Being this delusional
>>67744762
>>67744813
ayyo
Well Holy Fuckin Shit, we actually fucking did it, never as a Hibs fan did I ever think that we'd actually do it, still in shock tbf.
>people bringing up Chelsea and Millwall
You can always tell that they are butthurt northerners who ignore the crimes of Liverpool and United while wishing they had the passion of southern clubs
hello I'd like to join the bandwagon of this soccer thing and gloat about the magnificent win of glorious Hibernia.
m8s I live 1 minute away from the hibs party
Is it worth it?
>>67756997
Come and say hello!
Absolutely love the Sevco butthurt. It's glorious!
>>67757562
Alright, doesn't sound like it'll end anytime soon anyway.