The ginger just vacated his WBC belt so that he wouldn't have to face Golovkin.
When did Mexican boxing become such a joke? I used to respect you guys.
>>67685749
Who the fuck is he gonna fight then?
Wasn't him vs GGG supposed to be the event of the year?
>>67685749
He said he's still going to fight him
>>67685787
After the Khan fight he even called GGG into the ring and said "We Mexicans don't fuck around; I'll fight him at 160."
What a joke. This is the biggest bitch move since Riddick Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis in 1993. This is literally a historic duck.
>Who the fuck is he gonna fight then?
Another welterweight I guess.
>>67685813
And I have a bridge to sell you.
Will GGG still fight him with no belt? He can't possibly duck him. I'm assuming he just doesn't like the deadline
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2641032-canelo-alvarez-vacates-wbc-title-comments-on-potential-gennady-golovkin-fight
There are no geese just ducks
More important that your faggot manlet boxing, THE KING IS READY.
And he's also now a pescatarian the absolute madman
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFkHRzsyIyK/
>mexican
that man looks irish
explain this shit
>>67685749
baka canelo i used to like him. Then he had to beat up on Amir khan and blatantly duck GGG even after saying he would fight him twice. smdh
>>67685879
With no belt, Canelo will demand 155 lbs and a larger percentage of the purse (I think the mandatory challenger automatically gets 30%, so Canelo must want more than 70%). Then when K2 rightfully decline that, Golden Boy will try to spin it as GGG ducking Canelo.
>>67685908
>2 months to go
>pescatarian
will tyson fury be ripped for this fight?
>>67685908
Lol I never believed that shit about him and Peter falling out
>>67685813
he's going to "mayweather" fight him
>request GGG goes through unheard of blood tests
>70/30 split in Canelo's favor
>GGG has to wear shackles on his ankles during the fight
>all of Canelo's landed punches count as two
>fight is in Mexico
>match is tables ladders chairs
>>67685973
>implying triple god still doesn't win
>>67685749
Fat Irish pussy
>>67685929
If thats true then what if GGG fights for his belt, then turns his attention to Canelo and gets to dicate all the terms? Surely that would be better than making less than 30% right?
>>67685993
I think the WBC will just give it to GGG now and he won't have to fight anyone for it. If I was his manager I'd do everything to get Saunders in the ring next so that GGG holds all of the belts and MW completely belongs to him. Canelo can't hide out at 155 forever
>>67685749
when that faggot De la hoya took over
people actually believe what OP writes LOL
>>67686072
Will this harm his reputation in Mexico or will people root for him regardless?
>>67685929
Sadly, this is pretty much spot on.
It's such a bitch move, but it makes total sense for Alvarez to do it. Especially since he probably realizes he'll get his ass beat at 160.
>>67686097
People call him "puto" in Mexico. I watched his fight with Cotto with a bunch of mexicans and everyone thought he lost. Even Mexico's national TV thought he lost that fight.
>>67686097
Mexicans are full on delusional in their support for their fighters. I made a killing betting a bunch of our warehouse guys that Mayweather would beat Alvarez.
>>67686097
he is not even liked that much
>in a Marquez fight had to get to the bar 4 hours early to get a decent table
>last canelo fight in the same bar had less people than a normal Thursday
>>67686039
Yes that makes sense. Canelo dropping his belt would make sense if GGG couldn't just pick it up straight away. Maybe he was banking on putting pressure on GGG to make the fight happen next or else he'd look like a coward?
That doesn't make sense when GGG's side could just straight up say that they're collecting the belts so they get paid right when they fight Canelo. That makes Canelo look like a jackass for trying to play games and delay the fight. If he was really concerned about deadlines, he should've let the belt be stripped on him that way he could blame all the bullshit on the governing body.
>>67686130
>>67686151
Oh I didn't know that. I thought he was like Mexico's David Beckham or something the way people go on about him.
Although I know that Chavez and Marquez have criticised him and I guess their opinion must hold a lot of weight.
>>67685749
This is fucking infuriating. He'll duck GGG until he's an old man.
>>67686097
People know he is a fraud. Some might cheer him, mostly those that are band wagoners and not really into the sport.
Boxing has been losing popularity as well, for very obvious reasons.
It's been a horrible week for boxing. First Povetkin now this
At least we have Parker-Takam this weekend
>>67686235
>Boxing has been losing popularity as well
That sucks. Most of my favourite fighters were always Mexican. Morales, the Marquez bros, Vazquez, Castillo, Arce, Carbajal, etc.
I like Estrada right now though
catchweights are fucking cancer
>>67686312
Estrada looks promising
>>67686259
at least there were some huge KOs on PBC last night
https://twitter.com/premierboxing/status/732985803605843968
>>67686559
Brutal... I love this cruiserweight division
>>67685749
"Like they say in Mexico, we don't fuck around! I'll fight GGG at 160, let's put on the gloves right now!" - Canelo in his post fight interview against Khan
What did he mean by this?
WBC just announced GGG as their super world champ. I guess the lineal middleweight champ ended with Canelo. A run of 50 or so years, ended by someone vacating.
>>67686874
Since his daddy De La Hoya owns Ring Magazine I guess he gets to keep that particular imaginary title.
>>67685830
>After the Khan fight he even called GGG into the ring and said "We Mexicans don't fuck around; I'll fight him at 160."
It's Hoya, he has no faith in Canelo yet.
The absolute fuck?
If this is legit it's surely one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen in the sport of boxing.
>>67686694
everyone knows "right now" means "when I feel like it" in Mexico
>>67686097
Only Malinchistas (self hating mexicans) dislike Canelo. They also hate any other Mexican athlete succeeding at the moment, like Chicharito.
https://twitter.com/bjsaunders_/status/733080430375755776
What now?
>>67687112
Saunder is so based. I used to hate the guy but you have to respect somebody who tells it like it is. Even at his own expense.
Anyone have Mexico reaction yet?
>>67687231
https://twitter.com/bjsaunders_/status/733078901359038464
Hmm... it might actually happen.
(unless BJS is saying this shit cuz WBA said it's mandatory for GGG to fight Jacobs if Canelo vacates)
>>67687334
lost
>>67687595
I would love to see GGG go to the UK for that fight. Especially since nobody has to worry about a brutish stoppage in a Saunders fight.
>>67687558
Mexican press is crucifying him.
>>67687595
I thought GGG wanted to do PPVs now.
No way they can sell that shit to HBO after BJS stunk up the joint against Andy Lee.
>pillowhug
>ever
>>67688201
>crotchgrope
>ever
Enjoy your edgy WWE makeover.
>>67688546
>taking the bait
come on now
>>67685749
>gingers in charge of boxing
>boxing
>relevant
he's going to fight lemieux next at 160 so it makes up for it. Hopefully daniel jacobs or bjs for GGG next so he can unify the division. This is all actually really good. You guys really want to see canelo get smashed so soon? He's 25 we need him around for a little longer.
>>67689613
on one hand Canelo-Lemiuex is a waaaay more entertaining fight imo, on the other hand GGG-Canelo would be more important for the sport.
im so conflicted. Someone just get GGG his belt.
>>67689613
true, it's not even a question what GGG would do to him at this state, he's being smart and not blowing the hype early
I think at this point it's safe to say GGG is the most feared man alive. Has professional fighters running scared left and right
>>67689613
>You guys really want to see canelo get smashed so soon?
yes
>we need him around for a little longer
not if he's going to act like a punk
>>67689613
i dislike the meme that because a fighter takes an L (Canelo) already has one, that he is no longer marketable. Literally every great fighter aside from Mayweather took an L and it didn't effect anything in their career.
fight the best, if you lose who cares, better then never knowing.
>>67691396
Anyone would also fear you if you were a ruthless motherfucker from some gulag in Kazakhstan who was fighting bums on the street since you were a little kid.
Today's fighters are all prima donnas compared to him.
>golden boipussy still think canelo is a draw
canelo is scared of GGG, pretty simple. he isn't protecting his status as a PPV draw, because he isn't one. HBO won't release the khan/canelo PPV numbers because they are so low, apparently around 350k
>>67687011
Chicharito is shit for his national team
>>67691592
I love the stories about his sparing
Aparantly he isn't allowed to hit sparring partners in the head because he hits so hard
>>67689613
>implying he could beat Lemiux
And secondly, I seriously doubt it. Canelo's history doesn't suggest a guy that's looking for challenges. He's literally all about milking it.
If he had brown hair he'd be just another Mexican bum fighting on club cards.
>>67691658
>Fought Lara
>Fought Trout
>Fought Mayweather
>Not looking for challenges
lad
>>67691712
Mayweather literally doesn't count. That isn't a risk.
>>67685749
Well, I'm Mexican... and this mother fucker has just disappointed all of us. What a ginger fuck.
>>67691712
He was forced to fight Lara because people were sick of him fighting bums. Lara isn't really a risk anyway because:
1. He's not a mw
2. He's got a negative style which may work well against other unknowns, but when you're a steep B side against a guy with all the backing and judges, its safe to say you're getting no charity on the cards. Look at how Lara got jobbed against Williams ffs
>Trout
He lost to Trout and Trout was really not a great fighter by any stretch. Just a fringe guy that was begging for fights.
>Mayweather
A WW that slapped him around for 12 rounds. Hardly a risk considering the $. Anyone would take that "risk"
whew lad
No bigger pussy in sports than Canelo. All of Mexico should be embarrassed.
>>67691904
You never used the word risk and neither did i. You said 'challenges' those fights were challenging fights based on fighting styles
Back peddal more though
>>67686176
Not at all, Oscar De La Hoya just makes him seem like he's popular.
>>67686602
Huck vs. Glowacki was mental
>>67686097
People in Mexico don't like him, most people thinks the national tv stations make him seem bigger than he is, which is true
>>67691997
Semantics.
Not backpeddling. Merely pointing out that the guy is a joke. Fucking fighting Amir Khan??/
As if Gomez/Rhodes/Matt Hatton/Baldomir/Josesito Lopez weren't bad enough. He goes and picks on Amir Khan. JUST.
Da GGGOAT
>>67692364
>GGG
>Canelo gib me belt
>Canelo
>ok
>>67692364
How do they have a picture of Golovkin with the belt if Canelo still has it in Mexico?
>>67692392
totally bitch made
>>67692418
GGG is just that good
In a just world, any boxer that would vacate a championship belt to avoid fighting someone would have to do a penance tour of matches to re-establish themselves while begging for another shot before ever being afforded any respect within the sport.
>>67689613
How does fighting someone who GGG thoroughly dominated make up for ducking Golovkin? Outside of another Mayweather or Paq fight, this is the biggest fight in the entire sport. They are clearly the two best in their division, and it would unify three belts and the lineal MW title.
Golovkin is 34. He can't wait 10 years for Canelo to realize that 155 isn't a real weight division. Canelo is in the prime of his career. He already went up against Mayweather. There is no argument for this to be put off. The time for this fight is now.
>>67692606
Canelo isn't clearly the best in any division. He has a say at LMW but at MW he's completely untested. I'd say he struggles to make top 5.
>>67692693
If he fights above 154 and below 160 then he is a middleweight. But if you don't think its Canelo, who do you think is the second best MW after GGG?
>>67692805
Jacobs then Saunders.
After that Lemieux, Quillin, and Andy lee are also at the same level I'd put Canelo.
>>67692805
Jacobs, BJS hell i'm pretty sure Chris Eubank Jr would handle Canelo
>>67692880
Forgot about Eubank, He has a style that would royally fuck with Canelo.
>>67692880
>>67692897
I think you guys are seriously underrating Canelo. He is clearly a step below GGG, and has been acting like a complete pussy for the last year, but he's still a very good boxer. That's what's so frustrating about this whole mess.
>>67693191
He is, of course he is. But the MW division isn't a joke. Popular to contrary belief, it's not dead or lacking talent. there are very serious contenders with great talent in it.
apology for poor english
when were you when middle weight dies?
i was sat at home watching GGG highlight when dan ring
‘canelo is kill’
‘no’
and you????????
>respecting spics
>>67685749
Golovkin is roided up anyways
So is Canelo btw
>watching boxing after the pacquiao run
everyone who's worth anything in this sport now is roided up as well.
>>67693911
After the Pacquiao run?
Don't you mean after the Evander "Evan Fields" Holyfield run?
>>67685929
He asked for a 90/10 split on the purse already
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2016/01/204166/
>>67694070
That was before my time, but I've watched soooo much boxing. Finally just got sick of it. But yeah I wouldnt be surprised if it goes back that far.
But for me manny was the dude who changed everything. Between him and Mayweather, they both killed the sport for me personally. But what ever dude, dont even like this sport anymore.
he could be doing it to avoid it going to pursebids
>>67688026
>I thought GGG wanted to do PPVs now.
he really cant, his last ppv fight didnt sell too well, a big reason for this is because he has nothing but cab drivers on his record
>b-b-but they duck him
he had a chance to fight ward and he ducked and Lara has been calling him out
>>67685914
>He doesn't know about the Saint Patrick's Battalion
Burger education as always.
>>67691396
>I think at this point it's safe to say GGG is the most feared man alive
god i fucking hate you casuals so fucking much
Don't overthink this one, it's exactly what it looks like.
I fucking knew it
What a bitch made faggot
Everyone who believed that little speech after the Khan fight must've missed his previous fight when he said the same shit
Ginger pussy
>>67685830
Throw Chickenson-Kovalev in there as well.
>>67694740
Manny was a fucking game changer
>>67685914
Look at his eyes. There's definitely some Indio in him.
asdfkljasklfj
>>67695601
he was ''''too'''' explosive for his size
theres a reason why you dont see featherweights take on welterweights and jr middleweights, it's because it doesn't make any sense unless that guy is juiced up. but most fans don't care if people cheat, they just want to see brutal action...whichhh is kinda sad, especially when you see some dude get cheated and beat down by a dude who's all juiced up. the sport in general is kinda shitty in hind sight.
Boxing is such a retarded sport. The governing body should just tell boxers who and when they're fighting
>>67695660
>he was ''''too'''' explosive for his size
Of his 58 wins only 38 are by ko/stoppage. Nothing out of the ordinary and very similar in percentage to mayweather, for example
Canelo beats GGG. GGG is too slow
>>67686114
>he'll get his ass beat at 160.
He'll get his ass beat at 155 too.
At 30 day weight check for each man's last fight:
GGG=164lbs fighting at 160lb limit
Canelo=163.8 fighting at 155lb
Golovkin was still well within the WBC weight limit of 10% contracted weight if he had been fighting at 155lbs 30 days out
I don't think he would have as much trouble making Caneloweight as everyone seems to think
>>67695751
thats only because he had a large sample before hooking up with alex ariza and roach obviously those numbers changed once he started working those two
he went from a literal who to a superstar over night after he started working with ariza specifically
>>67687334
KEK
>>67685914
Mexican is a nationality not an ethnicity.
>>67696303
>he went from a literal who to a superstar over night after he started working with ariza specifically
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Pacquiao was already catching attention when he was in philipines and had his first ppv appearance in 2001, in the tyson lewis card iirc, against jorge eliecer or ledwaba, already being world champion. He then went on to fight barrera, morales, marquez, solis, larios, etc on ppv years before to hiring ariza around the de la hoya fight 2009? and he was already a star by then. He was a literally who for you because you are clueless and stupid enough to parrot whatever meme you read online
>>67686131
Pochos and chicanos are suckers for Mexican nostalgia. They do not represent the feeling of the Mexicans that stayed in here.
So who super LW Canelo is going to fight next ?
>>67696448
>super LW
Rod Salka
So Golovkin is going to fuck up Danny Jacobs. Think Canelo goes after Billy Joe Saunders to get the last belt that Golovkin needs?
>>67697204
Why would Canelo vacate the MW belt he already had to go fight for another one...just to get GGG to fight him?
That's a lot of fucking around for a guy who supposedly doesn't fuck around
>>67697258
Because the WBO isn't going to do shit to enforce it and he'll have GGG in his pocket when he feels like fighting him.
>>67697267
Saunders does good to make the MW limit. He's not fightign Canelo at 155.
Canelo bitched out, dude. There's no secret plan behind it.
The GGG fight is right there for him. He said he wants it and at 160. It came time to make the fight and reality kicked in.
Saul is a faggot.
>>67697306
Canelo is the biggest paycheck in the sport. Saunders would be a fool not to accept. It's not a secret plan, it's were Canelo goes from here.
>>67697311
Saul isn't fighting anyone at 160lbs.
He does not want the fight. You just have to understand that. It's over. Saul shit his diapers
>>67697346
Are you retarded? He has all the leverage in the world to make Saunders fight at 155. He would've kept making everybody do that if the WBC hadn't put it's foot down which is almost a historic moment given that Canelo is a Mexican.
>>67685813
he's gonna wait GGG is 40 kek
>>67697362
>Saunders fight at 155
Saunders won't be able to make 155, dumbfuck.
Do you even follow boxing?
>>67696227
I thought so too until Canelo started acting like a bitch. Evidently he learned something when they sparred together a few years ago.
>>67697204
>Think Canelo goes after Billy Joe Saunders to get the last belt that Golovkin needs?
He won't fight at 160 lbs next because that will make it even harder for him to continue avoiding Golovkin. And Saunders (nor Lemieux) can cut any more weight than they already do. If he does fight one of those guys next, then that will make me optimistic for the GGG fight to happen next Cinco de Mayo.
I'd assume that Golden Boy's three biggest targets for Canelo's next fight are Mayweather, Pacquiao and Cotto again. If they can't get any of them, then Curtis Stevens who fought on the last Canelo undercard can probably make 155 lbs.
Canelo is a bitch to the highest in ducking fights just like Mayweather
>>67698270
>Mayweather ducked pacman
when will this meme in particular die
>>67687112
He will punk out too
>>67689613
Daniel Jacobs is another fighter who will never fight GGG
>>67695293
Nigger detected
>>67691904
>lost to trout
I really hate niggers. Please stop this meme.
>jalisquillos
>cabras
>canela
>>67698399
This is bait but I'll bite.
Mayweather ducked Pacman for 6 years, even retiring in between those years, while Pacman kept fighting. Pac deteriorated, and Mayweather pounced, making him and pac A LOT of money.
Mayweather ducked him since '09.
>>67699076
Ginger pussed out by vacating the belt so the fight ain't happening.
>>67698399
He ducked him you stupid nigger!
>>67699242
Pacquiao is the one who walked away from negotiations twice. I closely followed the Mayweather-Pacquiao drama from the start and the bulk of the blame clearly belongs with Pacquiao and Arum. Pacquiao for taking PEDs and Arum for making every excuse in the book while he continued to milk his cashcow against in-house fighters.
>>67699366
He ducked him in the same way GGG is ducking Canela when golden boy asked for 90/10
Gayweather wanted none of Pacquaio back.when they both fought Cotton/DLH
>>67699366
Pac walked away because May made unreasonable demands. Why take unreasonable blood testing? Yet Pac still agreed. Then the question of the money split came up. Pac agreed to that too.
However the Mayweather camp kept making more unreasonable demands and kept stalling. So Pac's camp walked away.
But no one ever questioned Pac wanting to fight May in '09-'12, but were questioning whether May wanted to fight Pac in those years.
>>67699366
ya the only thing you can blame pac for is for denying the blood test the day before the fight.
Make of that what you will, but to me it seems like excuses but apparently it was only demanded for the mayweather fight.
>>67699366
>Forgetting Gayweather wanted a 70/30 split
As if Pacman in 2009 was going to take that bull shit
>>67699464
The fight would have happened in '09 if Pacquiao hadn't rejected drug testing and walked away. It's as simple as that.
Afterwards, Arum just lined up Top Rank fighter after Top Rank fighter for Pacquiao and just used Mayweather's name to promote those matches after he'd already signed them. Whenever both Mayweather and Pacquiao were actually free, Arum was full of excuses like he wanted to "build a stadium" and shit like that.
>>67699507
>unreasonable blood testing?
You mean the "unreasonable blood testing" that is now mandatory?
>>67699531
The purse split was already agreed in '09 when Pacquiao walked away.
>le Canelo hits hard meme
Were does this even come from? He only KO's babby chinned opponents. Hell he couldn't even drop Cotto, Cotto the guy who was STOPPED by a fighter who started his fucking career at Flyweight.
Manny > CANelo
>>67699507
>But no one ever questioned Pac wanting to fight May in '09-'12, but were questioning whether May wanted to fight Pac in those years.
That was the casuals' opinion, but those who were following every step of the negotiations on boxing forums and whatnot could see that it was nothing but spin coming from Pacquiao's camp.
>>67699539
09 Pacman would have creamed Floyd simple as.
Yes Floyd is older but he's aged better, he's taken less punishment and his low volume defensive style ages better as well unlike Pacquiaos energy bunny style. When they fought in 2015 Floyd was closer to his prime than Manny dispite being older. The manny in 09 would have blown through Floyd
>>67699586
>09 Pacman would have creamed Floyd simple as.
Lol no. In 2015 Mayweather was too old to punish Pacquiao for his mistakes and just won the fight by neutralising him. In '09 he would have beaten him down like he beat down Marquez.
>>67699556
>You mean the "unreasonable blood testing" that is now mandatory?
You have a source on this "mandatory" blood testing?
I can tell you right since boxing doesn't have a central governing body, Olympic style blood testing (Mayweather's version was more ridiculous) is not mandatory.
>>67699575
A lot of former fighters were questioning Mayweather as well. There was spin from both camps, but at the end of the day, Pac wanted that fight. May's intentions were a little more murky.
>>67699561
This
Manny will beat the crap out of canelo
>>67699586
Pacquiao looked closer to his prime in the second and third Bradley fights than Mayweather did against Maidana and Berto.
Pacquiao was simply never on Floyd's level and all the smart fans knew this from the start. Pacquiao was an ATG below lightweight but his WW career is smoke and mirrors.
for fucks sake boxing sort your shit out
>>67699630
>like he beat down Marquez.
Yeah super impressive beating a guy you made come up TWO weight classes.
09 Manny was faster, hit harder was completely reckless which is what he needed to be because he got drawn into trying to box with Floyd. Floyds Toughest fights have always been guys just going ape shit on him, the first Castillo fight, Maidana, Cotto. Guys with no respect for his skills
>>67699652
VADA is included in basically every big fight contract these days and the WBC just made it mandatory and I think the IBF did already.
>Pac wanted that fight.
Hence he walked away from negotiations twice?
>May's intentions were a little more murky.
Hence he initiated negotiations three times?
You've fallen hook, line and sinker for Arum's bullshit. The same kike who openly says "I was lying yesterday but today I am telling the truth."
>>67699668
>Yeah super impressive beating a guy you made come up TWO weight classes.
Same guy who beat Pacquiao twice at the weight...
>Floyds Toughest fights have always been guys just going ape shit on him, the first Castillo fight, Maidana, Cotto. Guys with no respect for his skills
Pacquiao doesn't fight like them. He only fights at mid range and relies nearly exclusively on his feet for defence. It was always a terrible style match-up for him.
Pac was never good enough to beat Floyd.
>>67699630
Well when you fight more than 10 less fights and retire twice in between your career and you fight someone who isn't even a natural WW and with a lot of wear and tear, your skills are gonna shine real bright.
Pac was deteriorated, and May just took advantage.
>>67699656
Pac was not a true WW and still was able to put up a great 2nd half of his career in it. But I'll agree that if you box like May and are just bigger than your opponent, you're gonna win the fight. Pac would've just put up a much better fight in '09.
>>67699747
Manny doesn't smoother guys yes but he use to in his prime overwhelm guys with volume. He didn't beat Morales because he's the better more skilled boxer, he beat him because he dragged him into a war
He threw fewer punches than Floyd in their fight, i can promise you 2009 Pacquiao would not have thrown only 450ish punches
>>67699809
His workrate was cut because he fights at one range and Mayweather took that range away from him. He lost to Morales the first time and Mayweather is better than Morales.
In 2009 Pac may have thrown more punches, but he would have been countered and beaten up more because of that.
Mayweather doesn't take risky fights, he wanted none of Pacquiao back then. It's some Leonard vs Hagler shit
inb4 Andre ward/tmt obsessed jigaboo brit
>>67699863
His workrate was cut because of his age. His volume has been declining for years now. There is no 37 year old alive that can throw 1000+ punches
>>67699658
Boxing has sucked ever since mayweather was fighting. This is probably the nail to the coffin.
>>67699716
It's good that May initiated the negotiations, but what followed were ridiculous demands. At the time, VADA testing wasn't mandatory (not sure if it's even mandatory now), the money split was 70/30, and even after Pac agreed, May camp kept stalling.
Arum may be the shithead that derailed negotiations, but the whole point was that Pac was pining for the fight. May went on record complaining about the public wanting him to fight Pacquiao, with video of him actually fearing to get in the ring with him.
>>67699747
Floyd was always much more skilled and refined, but Pac's style was to overwhelm and fight. When a wild animal keeps trying to scratch and bite you, but also know when to pick their spots, you're going to be overwhelmed. The problem is, the animal aged ungracefully. So the fight was way easier.
>>67699887
Funny how it declined as soon as he agreed to drug testing
Mayweather was just as far out of his prime in 2015 as Pacquiao was, hence the fight was so boring. Old man Floyd easily beat old man Pacquiao, and younger Floyd would've beat him even worse
>>67699927
>Mayweather was just as far out of his prime in 2015 as Pacquiao was
not even close, yes Floyds legs are gone so he takes parts of rounds off now and sits on the ropes but he is far far closer to his prime than Pacman.
>Funny how it declined as soon as he agreed to drug testing
Yeah totally nothing to do with being 37 or anything at all
>>67699716
>VADA is included in basically every big fight contract these days and the WBC just made it mandatory
Maybe thats why floyd mayweather doesnt want to fight no more.
>>67700004
>not even close, yes Floyds legs are gone so he takes parts of rounds off now and sits on the ropes but he is far far closer to his prime than Pacman.
Compare Mayweather vs. Maidana to Pacquiao vs. Bradley. Pacquiao had psychological wear and tear from the Marquez KO, but Mayweather's body was more worn out.
>Yeah totally nothing to do with being 37 or anything at all
Pac was 35, Mayweather was 38
>>67700034
He used them for every fight since '09
>>67700052
>Compare Mayweather vs. Maidana to Pacquiao vs. Bradley
Mayweather has always had issues with fighters who fight like Maidana because they dont let him do his prissy little defensive shit and just bull rush him. It has nothing to do with him being old
>it's a who was better in their prime floyd or manny episode
floyd. it was floyd. manny couldve beaten mayweather on the right night but in all likelihood the more talented boxer would have won the fight
I get it, guys, Mayweather is an annoying nigger and some of his later fights were boring as shit, but he was simply a master in the ring. Pacquiao's story is great and I loved watching him fight, but he only ever had a puncher's chance against Floyd, and his Jewish puppetmaster Bob Arum clearly preferred him to keep facing his own Top Rank fighters rather than risk getting outboxed by Mayweather and losing all of his carefully built mystique.
>>67700072
No he didnt you stupid nigger!!! He used USADA. The most corrupt drug testing agency. Floyd has always said he test with USADA.
Manny and tim Bradley have always use VADA. Also al haymon never lets his fighters test with VADA. Berto and Peterson got bust taking steroids with VADA.
>>67700052
May also retired twice and had 10 less fights at the time, while Pac kept fighting and fighting.
>>67700086
>>67700128
no one was disputing who was the better boxer, but rather who ducked who and how a prime Manny vs. a Prime Floyd would be much more entertaining and much closer as a result.
Manny a better career though.
>beat Cotto
C-cotto won it though
>knock Khan out
h-he's still shit
>fight Mayweather
see he n-never goes after big fights
Puerto Ricans, Brits and self hating Mexicans are hilarious.
>>67700080
>It has nothing to do with him being old
If you believe that then you must have never watched Mayweather when he was young. Even in '07 when he humiliated Hatton, who was arguably a superior "bull-rusher" than Maidana, he was no longer fighting like he used to between 130 lbs and 140 lbs.
>>67700147
>how a prime Manny vs. a Prime Floyd would be much more entertaining and much closer as a result.
The thing is though old Manny did good. For one Manny has no place at 147 and really should have never gone above 135. And for me i gave Manny 4 rounds against Floyd
Manny only needed to win 2 more rounds to get a draw, i truly believe prime Manny could get ATLEAST a draw with Floyd
>>67700157
Canelo is never fighting Triple G. So as fans we should stop pining for it, because Golden Boy is gonna try to pull another May v Pac stunt.
>>67700157
>C-cotto won it though
Don't be stupid nigger.
>>67700166
>Hatton
Who is a 140er who Floyd made come up to 147. And Hatton was whooping Floyd the first 3/4 rounds untill Floyd figured him out. The difference between Hatton and Maidana is that Maidana is MUCH bigger and Floyd couldn't physically bully him around
>>67700136
USADA is just the American branch of WADA, which is the premier testing agency. There's hardly any difference between their methods and VADA's. If anything VADA has less authority. You are reaching and people only claim USADA is corrupt because of its association with Mayweather
>>67700193
GGG is one of the most overrated boxers ever. he's the real nigga who has never fought anyone of importance.
Canelo is doing his thing and doing it well. all the puerto ricans, brits and self hating """Mexicans""" need to stop shitposting.
>>67700200
Hatton ducked Mayweather (and Cotto) at 140 lbs
>>67700198
oh so you are one of the retards who believe Cotto took it? lol
>>67700217
>he's the real nigga who has never fought anyone of importance.
Because everyone keeps ducking him. Sturm, Martinez, Cotto and Canelo literally paid him so that they wouldn't have to fight him, and then Sturm and now Canelo vacated their belts to avoid him.
You can't rag on Golovkin for not fighting the big names and then defend the big names for ducking him. It makes no sense.
>>67685787
Lemieux at the Azteca
>>67700205
>USADA is corrupt because of its association with Mayweather
There's been plenty of occasions where they hid positive results of steroids from fights. Also they hid the whole IV scandal too.
Dont be a stupid nigger m8. I know you like floyd but come on. I rather test with a drug agency who catches cheaters and thats VADA.
>>67700222
>Hatton fucked Mayweather
Yeah he was so scared when he got in the ring with Kostya Tszyu
Oh wait why did Floyd never fight Kostya? Or Morales? Or Barrera?
Oh because he's a bitch
>>67700225
Cotto loss just like trout.
>>67700260
>Hatton fucked Mayweather
Ducked* kek'd
>>67700246
yeah okay sure bud. if your headcanon tells you it must be true.
>so and so literally paid him so they don't have to fight him
I swear you fucking retards
>>67700177
>For one Manny has no place at 147 and really should have never gone above 135
This. Manny was never a true WW, so the fact that he even took fights in WW and won speaks volumes about him as a fighter.
>i truly believe prime Manny could get ATLEAST a draw with Floyd
We wouldn't know, because it never happened, due to some very bullshit negotiating.
At the end of the day, someone ducked the fight, and it sure as hell wasn't Manny.
>>67700284
They literally did you mong,
>>67700260
I can tell you're a new fan. The stuff you come out with is laughable to someone who actually witnessed these events firsthand.
The only fight I blame Mayweather for missing in his career is Margarito. But even then it was more to do with his beef with Arum than being "afraid" or something. The "Mayweather is a coward" narrative is just an Arum smear. You are literally a victim of Jewish brainwashing
Floyd is the greatest fighter since Sweet Pea and that's the fact of the matter
>>67700284
Canelo literally paid Golovkin millions of dollar so that Golovkin would let him fight Cotto. Your guy basically got mugged for his lunch money and his title and he didn't do shit. He's the biggest coward since Riddick Bowe
>>67700311
You didn't refute a single thing i said you just jumped to
>le you must be new
So i'll take that as you being stumped then
>Canelo beats Lemieux
>lol Lemieux ain't shit tho just like Cotto, Trout, Khan etc Canelo still shit
>Canelo calls GGG out again
>GGG pussies out or wants some retarded amount of money
>lmao Canelo ducking haaaaa
:)
>>67700341
>Canelo vacates a WORLD title to avoid fighting GGG
>Somehow this is GGG's fault
>>67700284
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/404393-miguel-cotto-vs-gennady-golovkin-in-court
>A story running on ESPN Deportes talks about Golovkin possibly going to a judge to get Cotto to pony up a supposed $800,000 “step-aside” payment promised because Cotto was mandated to defend his WBC 160-pound crown against the organization’s No. 1 contender, Golovkin. But he decided to fight a guy not ranked No. 1, Canelo, instead. To smooth waters, often, in such cases, a step-aside fee is paid to the “stepped over” fighter. And Golovkin was supposed to get that…and then Cotto balked at the whole construct…the step-aside fee, the sanctioning fee. So, maybe, lawyers will help sort it out.
I guess headcanon happens outside my head sometimes.
>>67700309
>>67700332
post a credible source, not bullshit like worldstar
>>67700333
No I'm just tired of this conversation, it's like talking to a brick wall
Claiming he ducked Tszyu, Morales or Barrera is something only an utter casual could come up with. You went full retard
Canelo and goldenboy promotions are fucking idiots!! Why trash the belt with all the trash talking shit! Just say you're vacating the belt because your not ready to fight at 160.
Say you need a couple fights at 160 and then you can fight GGG but to say that the WBC doesn't tell me what to do, fuck the WBC. That looks like some coward shit.
>>67700367
If he didn't duck them then why didn't he fight them?
He was at 135 the same time Morales was
>>67700382
It was such a ridiculously bad PR move that the only possible explanation is true fear.
>>67700403
>He was at 135 the same time Morales was
No he wasn't. Morales only moved to 135 years later and LOST every fight he had at the weight. Jesus man, even if you weren't following boxing at the time you can at least Google it
>>67700427
Flioyd left 135 in mid 2004 and Morales took his first fight at 135 6 months later. Floyd hadn't even fought at 140 yet
>>67700404
Yup it was. I would have respected him more if he went with the honest truth but instead he trashed the WBC who has been supporting him.
Thats like that wrestler from wwf who went to wcw and trashed the wwf belt on nitro.
Golden boy promotions are fucking idiots!!! Them and canelo deserve all the heat they get.
from ESPN
>Lineal middleweight world champion Canelo Alvarez vacated his alphabet title on Wednesday but said he still wants to finalize a fight with unified titleholder Gennady Golovkin, which looms as the biggest fight in boxing.
>"After much consideration, I instructed my team at Golden Boy Promotions to continue negotiating a fight with Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin and to finalize a deal as quickly as possible," Alvarez said. "I also informed the WBC that I will vacate its title."
you niggas need to stop shitposting. vacating a belt means jack shit.
>>67700458
It has begun
>>67685830
Did you forget niggerweather dodging pacquiao for years? 2010 was the prime time to make things happen and he ducked him
>>67700540
what did he mean by this?
>>67700540
>le obese i made my name off my father man
>>67700511
Why drop the belt to begin with? They were already in a crash course to fight because of the mandatory challenge, and Canelo then dropped the belt.
There's really no reason to do that unless you're pining for more money, more time, and/or someone in the Canelo camp is scared.
>>67700562
Pac has six losses, he is utter shit.
you niggas always back the losers who seek fights but never get them because the big boys (Mayweather), the ones who say if the fight happens or not, are trying to make as much money as possible. and that infuriates you fags.
Pac a shit and always has been.
>>67700601
Muhammad Ali has 5 loses SRR has 19 loses are they compelte shit as well?
>>67700540
>Julio Cesar Chavez
I thought that dude was dead
>>67700623
you literally just compared asian spic to Ali.
>>67700666
Manny is an ATG. He's the best super featherweight ever as well
And he'd probably be the second best lightweight behind Duran has he stayed at 135
>>67700601
Pac has proven himself he's best fighter out of this generation.
I hope Pacman give Irish fake born Mexican his dues soon
Who's worst?
Ortiz or canelo?
>>67700836
Ortiz might quit but he atleast fights anyone anytime
Canelo is a bitch
I will fight anyone ITT at my 350lb catchweight
>>67700903
You wanna fight obesity?
>>67700989
He wants to fight Michelle Obama
This was mostly a bad PR move, Canelo should had shut up after Khan's fight since it was obvious that De la Hoya was not going to let the fight happen right away since the best moment for the fight, from a business perspective, would be next year (probably in may) after both Canelo and GGG fight someone else first.
Now I'm not sure if Canelo will fight another middleweight such as Lemieux prior to challenge Golovkin or if he will get a belt at 154 and then wait for Golovkin to finish all of his attractive opponents and go down to Jr middleweight for a bid pay day.
Now, I'm positive that Canelo would lose against Golovkin at 160 in September but I'm not sure if that would happen at 154 next year; Canelo is still very young and keeps improving, a boxers prime is usually around his thirties so he is probably still far from his best level.
>>67701025
I'd make her cum, Barack cant
>>67701097
Yeah forgot about his age. His only 25. Golden boy really fucked up. He also needs to ditch those fat trainers because they havent thought him shit! All his improved on is speed and power. His fat trainers are basically gym buddies. He still doesnt know how to cut the ring off.
>>67701178
>only 25
Age is such a meme in boxing. It all depends on the fighter Tyson was the unified HW champ by 21 and a washed up can by 25
>>67701097
I just want Alvarez to actually fight at 160.
He's a big guy
>>67701199
I don't think Tyson is a good example, his career took a bad turn after D'Amato's death and he was very young still
>>67699242
I will agree that Mayweather was doing some ducking, but it was Cotto, not Pacquiao who was being ducked.
Pac wasn't a welterweight back when Mayweather retired for the first time. He was still fighting at lightweight and super lightweight. Also, he was never really a threat to Mayweather. Too short and too easy for Mayweather to fend off. If they had fought for some reason, it would have been the same result as their 2015 fight; though it might have been less of a snoozefest since Pac was actually throwing punches back then.
Cotto was a strong contender back in 2007. He was aggressive, he could really hurt people, and he had just beaten Zab Judah and Shane Mosley. While I think Mayweather would have beaten him, he definitely would have needed to take some punishment to do it. It probably would have been a really awesome fight because Cotto was like the Terminator back then. He would have just kept coming forward and digging at Mayweather's body. He got broken by that cheating fuck Maragarito. Totally ruined him. The Cotto we saw after that was just a shadow of his former self. Even moreso after Pac knocked him around.
It's a shame that the guys at the top are such scared little bitches. But that's what happens when you lose the hunger to be great and you're more worried about your money and your image.
>>67699531
>he thinks pac was ever THAT big of a draw
>>67700593
to stop it from going to purse bids incase it takes longer than 15 days to get the fight sorted
>>67700613
only thing he'll be stopping is his respiratory system
>>67701304
that was his fault though. he couldn't cope mentally, let his marriage and don king contribute to his downfall and then stopped training like he needed too because he got a big head. prison then destroyed his career
>>67701304
>MUH cus
>>67701304
cus died like ten fights in fuck off with that bullshit
>>67699242
Pacqiuao ducked Mayweather and drug testing. As much as I can't stand Mayweather this is undeniable.
Mayweather is on PEDs too.
My favorite sport is so corrupt. It makes me wonder about other aspects of my life like my former cocaine and hooker addiction..
why would he vacate the belt
>>67701815
de la Hoya wanted him to so Canelo-Golovkin can be milked for all its worth
>>67701815
Because he's a pussy, but he's totally still looking for the fight to happen
lmao
>>67700521
Guarantee Louisquikmarrel lives in America and doesn't speak fluent Spanish.
>zurdo ramirez thinks he would beat GGG
>>67701949
I actually love the way Zurdo boxes
>>67701512
>>67701778
Pacman agreed within the time frame of when the fight was still viable but the Mayweather camp kept stalling. Both sides were ridiculous in negotiating but at the root of it all, Pac wanted a Mayweather fight, a top tier boxer who was bigger and stronger than Pac.
There's a part of the thread that discussed all of this so I'm not gonna go in too deep, but the fact that a fighter who started at bantamweight and won championships along the way to WW and attempt to fight the best WW in Floyd, just speaks volumes on how Pac was as a fighter. So if the if the fight was so easy for Floyd or that Pac wasn't really a threat, why not fight him in '09?
>>67701815
Because if he didn't the Negotiations would have went to a purse bid. Thats means that 10% of the purse goes to the winner while 70% of the rest goes to the title holder(Canelo) and 30% goes to the challenger(GGG).
Basically, Canelo's team wanted a larger split than 70% of the purse so they refused to let the fight go to purse bid. They pretty much priced themselves out by asking for a 90/10 split.
>>67702100
That's ridiculous thinking considering how much money is going to be poured into the potential fight.
I call shenanigans, and I'm calling Canelo a chicken for vacating for money.
>>67696394
bro ive been watching boxing long before pacquiao showed up
and pacquiao had ariza for the second morales and x amount of time after. act like you actually watch/or have watched the sport b4 hitting my numbers m8
>>67702100
how the fuck is that fair to ggg
>>67685749
honestly want to see garcia vs GGG anyways canelo isnt even good
