SF:Niners hoping Gabbert beats out Kaepernick?
MIA:Cameron Wake gets two-year, $15M extension
SD:Chargers sign Matt Slauson to play center
DEN:Elway: Lynch 'ready quicker' than most think
TEN:Titans extend TE Walker for 2 years, $14.7M
NYG:Giants call 5th-rounder Perkins 'complete' RB
DAL:Jerry: Jaylon Smith (knee) not headed to IR
WAS:Jordan Reed signs five-year, $46.5M extension
WAS:Skins OC: Matt Jones can be every-down back
CLE:Hue: Crowell and Duke 'as good as I've seen'
DEN:Von will stay with Denver 'no matter what'
TEN:Bishop Sankey on the Titans' chopping block
First for /a/
First for Elway.
![wake2-thumb-600x450-104325[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/JxPqHKv.png "wake2-thumb-600x450-104325[2].png")
4th for elite pass rushers
heyy
bad thread already wow
>implying cleveland isn't slowly rising from the ashes of a nearly destroyed empire
>implying Hue Jackson won't lead the team to an owl win within the next decade
>implying Cleveland didn't get the fastest and best playmaking WR in the draft who will be both a pro bowler and franchise WR
>implying the Browns won't be a contender in 4 years
>implying Thomas's career is being wasted in irrelevancy
>implying the Browns have a shit coaching staff
just wait on it. Cleveland is rising.
>>67430648
Not true, once Philbin got thrown out the pass rush instantly improved. Now we have an actual coach and not just some guy. Mario is also pretty fucking good.
>>67431112
>Cleveland
>Destroyed Empire
You have to actually rule something first. This is the equivalent of saying Ghana will rise again or some shit, what the fuck has Ghana ever done?
>"B-but we used to be good in the 50's"
Anyone could have fucking played in the NFL in the 50's.
>>67431233
why did the quality change?
>>67431225
If it wasn't for Denver, Cleveland would've ruled the AFC three times in the 80's. Four if you count Red Right 88 never happening.
Also, we fucked your shit up in the 50's and once in the 60's. Fuck outta here. Four NFL Championships and the best running back of his time in Jim Brown.
>>67431112
Ahhh, its that time of the year again i see. That brief time when delusional browns fans convince themselves that its finally the year of the turnaround. A good sign that the NFL season is just around the corner. See you at 4-12, cleveland!
>>67431294
>Cleveland
I literally do not need to say anything more.
>>67431330
for once i agree with you
>>67431330
i'd add something but
>losing to johnny manziel
honestly it can't get much worse
http://imgur.com/gallery/ivp1i
>>67431453
Cool.
>>67431536
Legend
>>67431453
pretty neat actually
>arrelious benn above emmanuel sanders
hindsight is funny
![Jaguars_secondary_new_logo[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/sf3a4tI.png "Jaguars_secondary_new_logo[1].png")
>Jalen Ramsey
>Myles Jack
>Tashaun Gipson
>Telvin Smith
>Malik Jackson
>Dante Fowler Jr
>And that's just the defense
I unironically would like to hear who is stopping this team in 2 years.
Who has the best D line in the league and why is it THE New York Football Giants?
>>67431453
fug
>>67431597
Probably the Texans
>>67431597
>Malik Jackson
>Dante Fowler Jr
Oh hey, AFC West.
>>67431607
Could play Johnny Foosball at DT and It would still be better.
>>67431453
>antonio brown
other than that not bad, everyone always buys too much into hype for QBs anyways and there really weren't any good ones that year, so they can get a pass there.
>>67431622
Chad Warden was a massive faggot
>>67431597
>getting two Hall of Fame talents in one draft while only giving up a 5th rounder to get them
No one. This is the third year in a row the Jaguars have absolutely raped the draft
>>67431675
Mad ass beech detected
>>67431695
no u
>>67431597
Opinions on Blake Bortles? I still have no idea what to make of him.
>>67431675
Gaylo fag detected
>>67431728
Fearless QB that makes retarded mental errors that keep him from being great. A lot of his INTs were his receivers faults, like Julius Thomas and Allen Robinson
>>67431638
The giants have arguably the best 4-3 DT pair in Hankins and Harrison
Jay Bromley as a backup has shown flashes of being great too
>>67431732
>implying I play halo
>implying I paid for Xbox
>>67431732
Millennial detected
>>67431759
Is it really better than Watt Clowney Wilfork and Johnny Foosball though?
Ziggy > Watt
>clots
>>67431804
Hello loins friend
reminder last offseason 80% of espee was saying Bortles was the worst starting QB in the league and basically, your all fucking stupid
>>67431805
The most retarded thing about that game is that they were still in it, until that abortion of a swinging gate play.
>>67431816
i seriously doubt that
>>67431816
I thought Manning was the worst last year?
>>67431799
fun fact, being born after 1980 makes you a millennial
>>67431801
yes
clowney is shit and wilfork is over the hill
>>67431866
Born in 76 m8
>>67431877
why are you on /sp/ grandpa?
>>67431877
What was WWII like?
>>67431840
/nfl/ - Revisionist History General
>>67431858
I dont think anyone thought the 5 time MVP who just threw 39 TDs would decline so sharply
>>67431873
Tru.
Giants going from #32 to #1 on the backs of their Dline.
>>67431877
What was it like before electricity?
>>67431883
Because your grandma needs 20 minutes to recover
>>67431892
I don't know, I was in Philadelphia
>>67431815
>>67431907
>stealing my catchphrases
Ugh.
>>67431928
Rekt >>67431883
>>67431952
that's what you get when you don't trademark your memes senpai
>>67431907
>dumb sneak memes
you're better than this
bortles did have a literally awful year in 2014, but people blamed it on the jags ebing shit and rookie nonsense as much as him being shit iirc
>>67431934
>can't even wear a visor correctly
dumass
272 Days Until the Seahawks Win Super Bowl LI.
>>67431877
You're still here?
>tfw you realize you will be in the same boat eventually
>>67431977
>>67431536
TFW hard work got no (you)s ;__;
>>67432028
>snachez
good riddance
>>67432092
mccourty is elite
>>67432092
people like bubbles rather than boxes
>>67431975
o-oh...
>>67432106
he isn't.
>>67432143
Well people are faggots
Only 31 teams left to update c:
>It's a everyone thinks they can beat the Lions cause Calvin retired episode
ENOUGH.
>>67432154
fuck I can't wait for frog girl. uraraka is cute too I guess.
>Seahawks are moving Justin Britt to the center position
Might need to chill with that countdown.
>>67432172
agree to disagree
>>67432218
kek should never have traded unger
>>67432235
Bitch
>>67432028
Post Abdullahs
>>67431607
>le 7.5 fingers man
>elite
>>67431977
I honestly remember this type of talk being much more frequent but I cant seem to find much in the archive
I probably just imagined it because I took a hard positive stance on Bortles
>>67432235
They thought Unger was too injury prone and that they needed a red zone target. He only played like six games in that 2014 season. It's kind of funny that Jimmy got hurt and Unger didn't miss a game. Dem's the breaks.
>>67431757
You forgot to mention that his OL is still a dumpster fire.
>>67432259
>>67432259
i'm super drunk but how DARE you
>>67432275
yeah i mean you ended up being right if that's any consolation
i don't think i rated him at all but it's always hard to tell first year in a shitty situation
>>67431907
>I dont think anyone thought the 5 time MVP who just threw 39 TDs would decline so sharply
wut, he was like 70 years old, how could you not expect it?
>>67432296
>>67432324
>Barely any highlights cause all he did was fumble
>>67432296
Based
>>67432301
What u drinking
>>67432344
Has there ever been a more elite handoff?
>>67432212
best girl
>>67432302
sure it was coming but I really didnt think it would be so fast and so steep
>>67432301
t-thanks
>we're in an off season NFL thread on a Chinese monopoly discussion board on a Saturday Night
>>67432385
Would you have it any other way, f@m?
Is a Big Zam an athlete?
>>67432302
peyton nearly led the league in TDs and was on pace to break rhe record again before he got hurt in 2014 mang
>>67432353
i poured a bunch of bag wine into this juice thing
>>67432212
Uraraka is kawaii as fuck
dunno if I can stay up til 5-6 in the morning for episode 6 tho
>>67432371
Just how he drew it up
Thank You Based Jim Bob Cooter
>>67432446
>>67432465
http://www.detroitlions.com/media-center/videos/Manning-Im-a-big-fan-of-Jim-Bob-Cooter/c5718ab4-9d52-4d84-a564-c42d7226982f
>>67432429
wtf
FUCK I JUST BLEW MY NO-HITTER
>>67432550
you've never had bag wine? franzia is cheap as fuck
>>67432324
>that sidearm sling
Iove it.
>>67432629
Don't drink wine.
>>67432385
>mfw I have an a huge EMT Trauma Assessment Test on Monday and I haven't even studied yet
I really shouldn't even be here tbqhwu family.
>>67432656
wine is good for you
>>67432812
>shitposters on 4chan are responsible for my life
i feel sick
>Gimme that Colin Kaepernick senpai
>Say no more
>>67432892
Meh. Red wine I guess.
>>67432812
Go to bed
>>67432918
Leave Russell alone. He's a good boy.
Bagged wine is good for cooking
>>67433076
He's dying to nut in her
>>67432918
>>67433130
Kek that's futures kid in that pic right
Cucksell wilson
>>67432963
antiozidants n shit
>>67433125
bagged wine is good for gettin drunk on the cheap and drinking games
>>67433151
>>67432629
You playing the show?
>>67433169
what does it mean if scabs don't heal, like they still bleed after weeks.
>>67431597
Exploding knees.
Which starting QB gets a season ending injury this year?
Cam?
Brady?
It's still gonna be Romo isn't it?
>>67433234
you have an immune disorder and will very likely die in the coming months
RIP ;-;7
>>67433265
wilson
it just feels like its his time
>implying THE Philadelphia Eagles aren't winning Super Bowl Lithium
I thought you faggots liked memes and meta
>>67433234
Maybe you should ask a doctor and not 13 year olds on the sports board of 4chan
You could have a serious issue
>>67433228
nah some game no one else has heard of from 2008
>>67433234
shit idk man, but that doesn't sound good
have you been to a doctor?
>>67433234
You probably have HIV
Not even joking
>safety is now our strongest position
never expected to see this happen desu
>>67433287
sigh, figures.
>>67433313
I haven't, it only seems to be happening on my legs and head so far.
Aaron Rodgers
>>67432268
>jpp
>not being the sack leader in 2016
now that's what I call edge
Are they the GOAT sports family?
>>67433358
Safeties are only 2/5 of the positions required in a "No Fly Zone"
>>67433663
If by GOAT, you mean the Kennedy's of Football, then yes.
123rd for waking up at 3:45 am
>>67433358
yfw you will never see any more 'heart' players like Brian Dawkins or Ray Lewis.
>>67432385
>implying this isn't a comfy sunday morning for me.
>>67433654
He could get 2 sacks for every finger he has and he still woundn't be the League leader.
>>67432429
Yeah, but he already clearly wasn't as good as in 2013.
>>67431225
>B-but we used to be good in the 50's
>history doesn't count
Great, so we better erase Bill Russell and Babe Ruth from history too because LOL LONG TIME AGO. The Browns had a dynasty before Art fucked it up, that's just facts.
![Y7Nv-JGb[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1Fr0He7.jpg "Y7Nv-JGb[1].jpg")
>>67431597
>I unironically would like to hear who is stopping this team in 2 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSb41sFNlI
Relaxing music for you early morning fellow americans.
>>67434088
Difference is the Lakers and Yankees have had tons of success since then and haven't had to resort to
>but muh dynasty 50 years ago
or they'd be laughed at too
Is this the greatest logo in football?
>>67433265
Romo and Lynch for sure.
Bradford too, if you include chronic asspain as an injury.
>>67434135
So Babe Ruth or Ty Cobb's accomplishment don't count anymore? They played literally 100 years ago.
>>67434142
Lynch won't even play a down if everything goes well
>>67430950
>Niners hoping Gabbert beats out Kaepernick?
what went so wrong?
>>67434128
still pats, Brady's got about 5 more years, then the AFC will be a showdown between the newer QBs, like luck and carr. Realistically, are we almost out of the best era of QBs in history?
>Brady
>Peyton
>Brees
>Roethlisburger
>Favre
>Rodgers
>>67434154
There is no Red Sox fan trying to get people to remember what Babe Ruth did 100 years ago to compensate for the fact his franchise hasn't accomplished anything since then. That's what you're doing however.
kek
>>67434168
Brady is going to be done after a year or two, because Bortortle and Carrizard are going to fuck up the playoffs every year for the immediate future.
The Patriots are legitimately a worse team than the Raiders and Jaguars right now.
>>67434165
>>67434168
>Brady's got about 5 more years
try 2, maybe 3 if he avoids injury
>>67431836
wrong game, this was from 2 years ago where gronk went into maximum gronk mode
>>67434165
Your retarded owner fired Jim Harbaugh.
>>67434185
>>67434173
I'm pretty sure many people consider Babe Ruth to be the GOAT.
And I don't think anyone is claiming that the Browns haven't been pathetic af in the last couple of decades, but saying shit from the 50s doesn't count is just retarded.
>>67434199
wait, gotta bump solder up to good, and mcdaniels up to great. Kraft lost his elite status when he accepted the fines levied by deflategate.
>>67434199
That's bullshit and you know it.
Outside of Brady the Cheat and Gronk, the Pats don't have shit on their roster.
>>67434173
Same thing applies to countries/cultures. Bringing up things that happened hundreds of years ago is usually because they haven't accomplished anything since then.
>>67434200
Babe Ruth is a player. The Browns are a franchise. A more accurate analogy would be if a player won 3 straight MVPs and then hit .150 the next 20 years while somehow staying in the league.
Also football was a lot less competitive in the '50s
>>67434213
not bullshit, these guys are good, also, fixed it up a bit. Also, Kraft is near elite, just lost it for a bit for not standing up to goodell more.
>>67434200
He's not saying it doesn't count, but that the 60 years of shit since then is much more relevant than the 50's
>>67434213
>Collins
>Hightower
>McCourty
>Gostkowski
>>67434231
Right. Your team is this fucking elite and yet can't beat a team that lost to the Raiders once and was one drive away from losing a second time.
If the patriots were to all of a sudden be horrible for 60 years straight, they too would be considered a garbage franchise by that point. People who defend them by saying but they were good 60 years ago! would get laughed at and mocked.
>>67434231
>bennett
>great
notice how the fans of the offense deficient Bears didn't mind losing him?
hes good at best, more likely bad than great with his work ethic
>>67434252
Tends to happen that way when literally your whole offensive line is gone whilest facing Von Miller and Co, Brady had about a second to throw the ball during each snap, it was a miracle for him to even get the ball off without contact if I remember properly.
>I count championships before 1952 and after 1957
>>67434259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8VHe3aSr48
we looking at the same dude, he would fit perfectly in hoodie's double TE sets that he loved to run with gronk and hernandez.
What will be the dominate team of the 2020's?
>>67434231
>literally almost every single one of these is full of as highly or higher rated players than what Denver's superbowl winning team should have
wew lads
you guys need to use better fucking ratings and learn what the word "average" means
also there needs to be a color code for both "above average" and "below average" instead of just "good" and "bad"
>>67434260
No excuse. You were up against the second worst quarterback in the league.
Oakland's offensive line was in shambles too. They had like -40 yards in the first half. Didn't stop them from beating the Broncos though.
The Patriots are done.
>>67434308
You realize if the Raiders were playing in the NFC East they'd have won the division right? This coming from a Denver fan.
elite
generally top 8 or so of their position
great
consistent probowl level talent, 1 fluke year usually isnt enough to put you at this level for the offseason
good
a noticeable notch above an average starter
average
the average starter
bad
noticeably worse than the average starter
its that simple
>>67434231
>Edelman
>great
I'd say he's "good." Definitely not great.
>Sheard
>a guy who never had a 10 sack season is great
Meme harder.
>>67434252
>your team is elite but can't beat the superbowl champs
>>67434332
I still don't know how the Broncos not only won the division but the fucking Super Bowl too.
The defense was good, but that offense was one of the worst ever. Overall they were probably one of the worst teams to ever win a playoff game, let alone the Super Bowl.
>>67434359
They had the best defense of the modern era and a middle of the pack offense.
They really weren't as bad as you seem to think.
>>67434367
The only way they were middle of the pack offensively is if you're including Division 1A in the data.
Seattle's defense from two years ago was better too.
>>67434359
Shit, just in the last 10 years (off the top of my head) 3 shittier teams have reached the owl (cards, nyg x2), and 2 of them won it.
I see a lot of people argue over whether or not the Browns truly are a shit franchise. A lot of people call them new since the old browns team became the Ravens in 1996 and a new Cleveland Browns formed in 1999.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10158580
>>67434384
No they weren't. You have to understand Denver's offense turned the ball over far, far more than Seattle's did that year. Denver had a below average offense mainly because of the turnovers. Their yards are still middle of the pack.
>>67434414
The Giants wern't that bad. They won two owls before the 2000's.
>>67434414
Don't forget the 2010 Packers. That was a pretty shit team.
>>67434424
Yardage is the most useless stat in the game.
>>67434414
None of those teams had the worst starting quarterback in the league.
>>67434430
How the fuck is that relevant to their 2007 team
>>67434436
No it really isn't.
>>67434431
They were pretty good for a 10-6 team, though, and they had Godgers.
>>67434436
>None of those teams had the worst starting quarterback in the league.
Okay, but you didn't mention QB quality.
>>67434444
So you're saying that a quarterback who throws for 10,000 yards is elite even if he has 13 TDs and 80 INTs?
>>67434457
They literally needed the Iggles doing a miracle in New York just to get in the playoffs. At no point of the season did anyone think they might actually win it all.
>>67434468
The QB is the most important player on the team.
A team without a quarterback should be picking in the top five, not 32.
>>67434359
>a top 3 defense in the last 30 seasons is just "good"
>>67434474
I actually thought they could make a nice playoff run, and I picked them over Pittsburgh in the owl. Don't think I was alone in either of those, but I could be wrong.
>>67434478
Tell that to the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Bucs.
>>67434484
I was thinking it's gonna be either the Pats, the Jets, the Falcons or the Saints. Eagles played pretty good but deep down everyone knew Vick's run is just a meme.
>>67434478
QB play strongly correlates to team success, but it's not a given one will follow the other. For example, Manning may be the shittiest QB to win an owl, but he's far from the ONLY shitty QB to win an owl.
>>67434491
The Bucs are an invalid sample. The only reason they won that game was because their head coach literally wrote the playbook the opposing team was using, and the new coach didn't change anything.
>>67434501
>Saints
I knew we didn't have a chance because our defensive meme magic ran out. I actually called us losing to Seattle in the WC and hoped it would result in Gregg Williams getting fired.
>>67434469
No you massive fucking retard. Yardage is a tool used in combination to measure effectiveness. Are you purposefully dense or what? The reason Denver's 2015 D is more impressive than Seattle's 2013 D is because Denver's offense was a much larger liability.
Even at worst Denver's offense was still around the low 20s.
Anyone else thinking Cam didn't really deserve the MVP? Several QBs had better stats, not to mention Cam mostly benefitted from his defense anyway.
>>67434530
I would have given it to Palmer.
>>67434530
45 total touchdowns is pretty elite, he deserved it
>>67434525
Williams didn't lose you that game, Harper did when Hasselbeck torched him over and over again passing to literal whos. People remember only the beastquake run but at that point of the game it was already pretty much over, it wasn't what lost you that game.
>>67434530
Don't mean a thing without the ring. Or in this case the trophy
>>67434530
Meme trophy for a meme player
>>67434535
Same.
>>67434634
It don't mean a thing, if it don't got that ring, doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop doo wop.
>>67434551
>only Harper was bad, the rest of the defense was fine
"No." The entire defense guzzled multiple BBCs in that game, as they did all of that season. That's on Williams.
What coach has been the HC of the most teams?
Is there anyone who tops Wade Phillips at 6?
1985: Saints (interim)
93-94: Broncos
98-00: Bills
2003: Falcons (interim)
07-09: Cowboys
2013: Texans (interim)
>>67434765
They were ranked in the top 5 in regular season. And yrs Harper did indeed give up several key passes including 2 TDs.
>>67434776
Mike Mularkey was a HC with 3 different teams, so less than 6 but more baffling since the guy is absolutely awful yet teams just can't stop hiring him.
>>67434780
>They were ranked in the top 5 in regular season.
We had like the 6th easiest schedule in the League and had several revealingly shitty defensive performances before the Beastquake.
>And yrs Harper did indeed give up several key passes including 2 TDs.
I didn't say otherwise, I said he wasn't the (only) reason we lost. Every other defensive player on that team was just as dogshit and had a hand in the loss.
Grass ain't greener song of the year so far?
>>67434530
45 tds is ballin
>>67431225
>Anyone could have fucking played in the NFL in the 50's.
not if you were black
>>67431757
>A lot of his INTs were his receivers faults
Some were but no more so than any other NFL QB. Bortles still threw a shitload of bad picks that constantly cost his team points and field position.
>>67435289
>not if you were black
Wrong. The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color, and has had non-white players for as long as it's existed.
>>67431225
>Anyone could have fucking played in the NFL in the 50's.
Nah m8. This experiment was actually tried, see: George Plimpton.
>>67435341
He also has a shitty OL, though, and OL play tends to contribute more to INT #s than receiver play.
>>67435380
>The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color,
>blacks were excluded from all NFL teams in 1933
>the rest of the league began signing individual blacks in 1946 and actually drafting blacks in 1949
fucking retard trips
>>67435436
>blacks were excluded from all NFL teams in 1933
Incorrect. The last 2 black players in the League at that point retired. Racism and economic factors kept any more from being signed for awhile, but that ended with WW2.
>the rest of the league began signing individual blacks in 1946 and actually drafting blacks in 1949
There had already been blacks in the League before then, you dumb cück.
>>67435391
The Jags o-line was actually middle of the road, not bad
and I would say QB play is the primary contributor to INTs rather than o-line or receivers anyway
>middle of the road o-line
>two 1000 yd receivers
>still throw ugly picks
trash
>>67435552
>I would say QB play is the primary contributor to INTs rather than o-line or receivers anyway
I never said otherwise senpai...
>>67435530
After five black players appeared in NFL games during the 1926 season, the number of African-Americans in the league declined to between one and two each season until Lillard entered the league. He was the lone African-American playing in the NFL in 1932 and one of two in 1933;[31] the other was Ray Kemp, a tackle with the Pirates.[32] Following the 1933 season, an unofficial gentlemen's agreement was reached between the NFL's owners not to employ African-American players. Incoming segregationist Boston Redskins owner George Preston Marshall was thought to have been behind the agreement.[33] After the introduction of an unofficial color line, no African-American played in the NFL until 1946, when Kenny Washington and Woody Strode joined the Los Angeles Rams.[32] Author Charles Ross wrote that "NFL owners may have used Lillard's volatile personality as an excuse to ban other black athletes."[34]
>There had already been blacks in the League before then
You literally said
>The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color
and you are wrong
>>67431607
>Flowers not JUST-tier
He was bad, there's no defense for that
>>67435289
>who is Jim Brown
>>67431728
Bad side of average. He does too much dumb stuff to make up for his good plays.
>>67435636
>talent transcends race only if you're more talented than literally everybody else
also see Night Train Lane
>Slauson actually had a good season last year
>Bears cut him anyway
How you want your Cutler familia
>>67435552
>middle of the road
Eh, he was 6th in sack% last year, 2nd if you take out dual-threat QBs. That's pretty bad. And his INT:sack ratio was normal. Beyond that, though, who on the Jags OL last year was above average? You can't really be a middle-of-the-road unit if you have no above average players and some players who suck.
>>67435595
>gentlemen's agreement
>unofficial
Should have specified an "OFFICIAL policy," but I'll concede that I didn't know the extent of it.
Still, you clearly didn't either, since you thought the League was segregated during the 50s, which it wasn't. There were black players in the 20s, and there were lots of them by the 50s, including some of the best.
>>67435838
Wisniewski was good-not-great and Parnell wasn't bad
>>67435719
Slauson is a waste of fucking space and you chucklefucks down in san diego deserve him
>>67435899
>hurr the policy wasn't official
It's as official as all the owners all agreeing in private to ban all black players from the league while trying to claim publicly that there just weren't any black players worth signing/drafting until competing leagues proved them wrong when they fully integrated and pressured the NFL to lift their ban
>>67435924
>best grade on their OL last year, ahead of Kyle Long
>played out of position most of the year
>>67435924
>top 20 guard
>top 10 pass pro
>cost less than $3M to keep
>waste of space
lmao enjoy starting Hroniss Grasu in his place faggot
sam bradford is objectively a top 32 QB
>>67435984
>It's as official as all the owners all agreeing in private
>"The de facto ban was rescinded in 1946..."
>de facto
>agreeing in private
>unofficial
>gentlemen's agreement
All of these things mean or imply the OPPOSITE of official.
Once again, there were black players in the NFL in the 20s, and again in the 40s, and by the 50s there were lots of them, including some elite ones. Trying to claim otherwise is a demonstration of abhorrent retardation.
>>67436057
you literally still said
>The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color
so what if it wasn't official? seriously explain to me what difference that makes. the only reason to make that distinction is if you think there wasn't actually any sort of ban in the first place and you'd have to stick your head pretty deep in the sand to make that sort of a claim
>>67436111
So what if it was unofficial? There were black players in the League before and after that period. There were large numbers of them by the 50s, including some any fan should know of. You'd have to stick your head pretty deep in the sand to think otherwise.
>>67435719
he's a horrible football player and should be banned from playing QB for life.
Bosa will be a bust.
>>67436192
>The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color
black players existing before and after that period doesn't make what you said less wrong
>>67436376
And the owners having a de facto policy of segregation in a prior decade doesn't make what you said any less wrong.
>>67436284
Why? How much of his film have you watched?
>>67436284
t. Michicuck
>>67436284
>>67436681
>college "rivalries"
>>67436710
If your team rivalry is less than 100 years old it shouldn't count t.b.h
>>67436731
if your rivalry is in amateur sports it shouldnt count
>>67436750
>>67436419
I'm okay with that I was shitposting anyway
>The NFL never had any League-wide policy barring people of color
is still literally 110% wrong
>>67436776
Not sure what's more autistic, Eli or the kid on the bottom left
>>67436710
>>67436731
>amateur "sports"
>>67436944
I'm okay with that I was shitposting anyway
>>67436227
>my fucking face when Cutlel and Lafford are terrible QBs but both their teams are afraid of going back to the days of bums like Cade McNown and Andre Ware so they'll stick with them 5ever
Literally LMAOing @ ur lives
>>67437138
Stafford is actually good tho, not elite yet, but good. Better than good sleep teddy and cutlel
>>67437186
>Stafford is actually good tho, not elite yet
He's been in the League for 7 years m8, if he's not elite now he's never going to be.
>>67435899
>trip "moving the goalposts farther than anyone I have ever seen after getting proven wrong" the post
Who the fuck are you anyways?
>>67437186
>stafford is actually good
even cutler can win a playoff game. Stafford's a stat padder who sucks when he has to play teams that are actually good
>>67437240
Well, he did start on the 0-16 lions, and thats a bullshit argument anyways. If somehow he won two owls with the lions with the numbers he puts up (since he is not a game manager and still in the prime of his career) then he would be called elite. Fortunately sometimes a good qb is all you need to win an owl.
>>67437186
Matthew Stafford is the biggest tease the NFL has had since fucking Vince Young. He can't read a fucking defense and is still no better than league average despite being a 7-year vet and the Lions constantly loading up the offense with as many big money players and high level picks as they possibly can. The Lions could've had Aaron Donald and picked Eric Ebron instead, all because of this commitment to Stafford, and he STILL can't diagnose a simple fucking blitz.
>>67437324
actually he was drafted the offseason after 0-16
>>67437267
>"moving the goalposts farther than anyone I have ever seen"
>in a post in which I conceded that I had erred
>in a discussion in which the other guy moved them much farther than I did
If you say so lad.
>>67437324
>and thats a bullshit argument anyways.
But it's not. It's extremely rare for a QB of his age/experience who is not already elite to emerge as such.
>If somehow he won two owls with the lions
Muh rings are for closet-case casuals, though.
>with the numbers he puts up
You mean "with the numbers he has put up chucking to CJ his entire career." Got a feeling we won't be seeing those again m8.
>>67437352
Yeah that's my point, he started from the bottom
>>67437317
Not saying he hasn't let us down, but hasnt really ever had a complete team to work with. Always some glaring weakness the management misses which totally fucks the team over, like literally no run game or one of the worst o lines (which made it near impossible last season to do his job when he's running for his life 2 seconds after the ball is snapped) in the NFL. An elite qb might be able to overcome those, but at least he's a hell of a lot tougher now, his first couple seasons he was injured a shit ton. Is there any qb we could've picked up in the past 7 years that would have been better?
>>67434507
Yeah let's not forget Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson
