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Thoughts?
He's the GOAT and only assblasted Bradycucks think differently
>>67210057
Tom Brady is disliked by the majority of football fans.
He has had a far more successful career than Manning, just look at the jewerly box.
Brady is likely to have at least one more championship in the future as well.
Joe Montana > Tom Brady > Peyton Manning
Marino is better than both
>>67210466
Top lel, Manning is much more decorated.
>they're just salty!
>>67210350
2 > 4
>>67210057
>taking the opinion of anyone who watches E!SPN seriously
>>67212103
And Bill Russell is better than Jordan lmao
Neutral fans will pick the guy they like better and neutral fans hate success.
Neutral fans picking Manning only shows that Brady is better and more successful
>>67210057
the fuck is wrong with you New York does it just make them feel better if they think Brady is the best so their owls have extra significance?
>>67212169
>they're just sour!
>>67212138
Curry is, this year proved how much better than Jordan's Bulls were by your standards.
>>67210698
>>67210057
sounds about right
>>67212169
I'm neutral, Packer fan and I think Brady is better. He has had far less to work with for the majority of his career. Earned 2 of his 4 Super Bowls on his doing, and Manning wasn't the reason they won any of his 2. This year they could have won with any Quarterback not named Mark Sanchez, and Rex Grossman gave away the game in 06.
Manning has the better head to head, but Brady's legacy is far better.
>>67212295
When did this 'Tom Brady hasn't had good teams' meme start?
>>67210057
I HATE Brady.
But saying Peyton's career is bigger than Brady's is just silly.
Look at the Sb appearances and the rings.
>>67212329
That's hardly indicative of a better career.
>>67210466
Problem there is Brady was far more carried than Manning, also all his wins are tainted by cheating.
If Brady does a Manning and joins another team and takes them to the Superb Owl (and doesn't cheat) and wins it. There will be no doubt Brady is better than Manning. But Brady is the quintessential system baby. He will never leave the belicheat system because he will be exposed.
Bradycucks only have muh rings
Peyton has the records for yards, touchdowns, wins, probowls, MVPs etc..
It's pathetic.
>>67212316
'07 Patriots were the GOAT team despite the Owl loss. But outside of that year you cannot name any all pro players on his offense except Gronk and maybe Vince Wilfork. Go ahead I'll wait.
inb4 > Wes Welker
Brady made him, not the other way around.
>>67212361
Actually that's almost a verbatim definition of a better career in professional sports.
>>67212461
Dude, Brady has had fucking exceptional teams.
What is this delusion?
>>67212424
>whenever i bring up romo's stats people bring up muh rings
>>67212494
Mmmm... not really. The argument 4>2 isn't the end when your competition has every record imaginable
>>67212371
Manning moved to a stacked team. This years Super Bowl proves that beyond a doubt.
By your argument Manning only has 1 ring under his belt as he certainly didn't take them to the Super Bowl and win it.
>>67212529
Except Manning has 2. On 2 different teams. You're fucking retarded as shit.
>>67212551
So this discussion isn't even relevant until Brady actually retires, giving him a good 3-4 more years to break those records right?
>>67212576
implying he had anything remotely to do with the Bronco's Owl this year.
His only good game last year was against the Packers. Other than that his numbers were literally the lowest in the league.
>>67212583
He's 39, do you expect him to play till he's 43?
>>67212558
>Bradyfag logic
Sorry he didn't choose the worst free agency choice possible because apparently he isn't proven lmao
>>67212615
>this year doesn't count tho
Holy shit my sides
>>67212558
The offense was garbage (Just look at Brock Lobster's game against the Raiders) and Manning was playing with the tendons in his legs liquefying under him. It's why his power and control were so awful this year.
But he was clutch when it was absolutely necessary. Like the final season game against SD.
>>67212524
Count Pro Bowlers and All-Pros from their offenses
>>67212619
> System QB
> Doesn't apply to my QB when the defense literally wins the Super Bowl
>>67212688
Plenty of great players don't make it to probowls anon.
Are you actually saying Brady was the reason for the first 3 owls?
>>67212691
I never called Brady a system babby but Peyton is much more proven and accomplished. He's done it all over, from high school and college, and two different NFL franchises
>>67212647
> Manning's 2015 season
2nd in Interceptions
27th in total yards
31st in the league in TDs
33rd in Yards per game
50th in completion percentage
63rd in QBR
These numbers are literally worse than Trent Dilfer's Owl season. Remind me again how he took them to the Super Bowl and won it for them?
>>67212734
Vinny, the Defense, Cheating and ref ball carried Brady for those Owls.
Then it was being a receiver/TE baby, thuggish Secondary and cheating that got him the 4th tainted owl.
>>67212782
Didn't Bradys first owl he didn't play a single snap in the regular season and only threw one TD all postseason?
>>67212782
they felt bad for blowing it against the memehawks so they made it up to him
Let's see. Manning gets top decorated receivers like Harrison, Wayne, Thomas, and Welker
While Brady gets Jabar Gaffney, Kenbrell Tompkins, and Austin Collie
Face it, Peyton was spoiled and Brady worked with shit
>>67212845
But this isn't maning's first owl it's his "second" in which he played worse than cam newton
>>67212854
>the year Brady has an actual weapon he goes 18-1
memes aside it says alot
>>67212857
So what I said was right? I legitimately didn't know. That's funny
>>67212854
Randy Moss Rob Gronkowski are better than any wide receivers or tight ends Manning has ever had, holy shit
>>67212845
Also he got carried by the Refs against the Raiders when he fumbled the ball after Charles Woodson crushed him.
It's so easy to get Bradyfags mad. They will always respond because they are so insecure
>>67212782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm_-pJwAwOs
Shit like this.
>>67212878
>Loses against the statistically worst team to ever make the Super Bowl
>Loses again to the same team who is even worse statistically than the previous time.
Brady chokes when it matters.
>>67212239
That's a dope cat
>>67212897
I don't know about Brady's stats, I'm just pointing out that even if that is true Manning played like dogshit in that last owl. If you think he played good cam Newton literally had better stats that game
>>67212371
1/10 i technically replied.
>>67212982
I'm not a Broncos fan dude. I just get a kick that "this ring doesn't count" when Bradys first 3 he was Teddy Bridgewater tier
>>67212990
Glad you admit you can't prove me wrong.
>>67210057
>the entire country thinks Manning is better except for very specifically the New England region
>>67212974
> Chargers
Oh, and Brady has shit like that too. Against legitimate teams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFHJNLlCr_o
>>67212916
Did randy moss win a super bowl with the patriots?
>>67212974
2007
>takes the lead with under 4 minutes in a clutch dive
>defense gives up a TD with under a minute to play
2011
>takes the lead with under 4 minutes in a clutch dive
>defense gives up a TD with under a minute to play
>Hail Marry falls off the finger tips of a severely injured Gronk
2014
>takes the lead with under 4 minutes in a clutch dive
>Malcom Butler
K
>>67213087
No Brady shit his pants remember? They went 18-1
>>67213053
>Legit teams
>Half the seahawks defense were either out or playing injured
>Two of the their best safeties who picked off Brady had to leave because they broke bones.
Yeah, he can beat second stringers filled defense by spamming short passes and being a gronk baby. Manning could have pulled that off how he was this year.
>>67213126
>Le New England Excuse Man face dotjaypeg
>>67213133
>Manning could have pulled that off how he was this year.
Then why are 90% of Manning's Super Bowl highlights INTs?
>>67213126
So you're confirming he needs to be carried by his defense to win then.
>>67213126
>2007
>16-0, records shattered
>score 14 points and lose
"The defense choked!"
Not many games can a team put two scores on the board then blame the fucking defense for the L
Why is everywhere west of the Berkshires so overweight and uneducated?
>>67213043
>had
>>67212962
>had
>>67212786
>had
>>67212760
>had
>>67212619
>had
>>67212524
>had
>>67212424
>had
>>67212294
>had
>>67211907
>had
>>67210698
>had
>>67210667
>had
>>67210350
>had
Holy shit you faggots, Brady is still playing, this is literally grammatically currently not possible.
oh my god, oh wow,
>using "cucks" still
This insecure, basement dwelling Manning-stan has made the same variation of this thread for the last 10 days. Literally every single day.
Mods time to ban.
>>67213154
Manningcucks are literally this delusional
/thread
>>67210466
>team accomplishments
>>67213175
this, holy shit.
the average number of points in an NFL game in 2007 was 21.7
The Pats defense held the Giants to 17 points. Meanwhile the literal record breaking offense and 50 TD pass QB put up 14 points.
And fucking Pats fans have the gall to blame the goddamn defense for failing in an important game.
They shit on their team all the time in order to make Brady look good, it's fucking asinine
>>67213232
But you're in every single one too lmao
Same guy making these threads and likely posts multiple times posing as different people throughout them. It's truly hilarious. You wait for people to circlejerk over your "Manning is goat" opinion and it never happens.
A SportsNation poll is this dude's best argument, along with some pointless stats that Brady or Brees are about to break once they reach the same amount of seasons played - lmao.
>>67213254
Can anyone image hash this, I want to see how obsessed this Canautist is
All these Brady fag tears.
How does it feel that you've managed to turn Goodell into the good guy with their cheating ways?
>>67213288
It's called scapegoating, they also love to ignore the fact that Brady is complete dogshit when under pressure if the defense is able to properly cover his receivers and just try to blame it on the O line.
>>67213288
The o-line shit the bed more than the defense. You can't deny how bad the o-line was. You can't. On top of that, Brady was actually in a walking-boot leading up to the SuperBowl.
Regardless, despite the o-line, when it mattered, Brady took them down the field for the go-ahead touchdown with 2 & a half minutes left. He left the field with a lead.
More facts.
Then it took an absurdly, once in a lifetime lucky catch to occur (right after a Pats DB dropped an INT) in order for the Giants to win.
The defense also gave up a 9 minute drive to start the game, so that fucked over the Pats' offense in terms of extra possessions. Belichick also passed on a FG at the end of the half, which would've been huge to have.
Can't deny any of this.
>>67213456
So he scored 7 points in 3.75 quarters and I'm supposed to feel good that he scored a touchdown with 4 minutes left?
This dude was a 50 TD thrower and the team they were playing was meme as fuck
>>67213511
They had like 3 Pro Bowlers/All-Pros on the offensive line. Where the fuck is your criticism for them? They were absolute garbage.
Regardless he gave the team the lead with 2 & a half minutes left. Not 4, illiterate faggot. We wouldn't be talking about this if it weren't for the dropped INT or absurdly lucky catch that came a minute later.
>>67212371
>(you)
>>67213175
>what is the Giant's pass rush
I hate that people take credit away from the Giants. If you actually were alive and functional when the game was played you would understand how the SB unfolded. So many 16 year old retard (like yourself) remove context just to suit their argument.
The level of stupidity is pretty sad. You're the kind of poster who underrates Big Ben and thinks that Rodgers is god's gift to football.
>>67212295
Yep. Puckerfag from Wisco and I think Brady is the GOAT. Only way Rodgers will be better is if he wins 3 more and it isn't happening.
>>67213413
>last 3 years alone
>best QBR, passer rating, completion percentage, int percentage, and TD percentage against the blitz.
>dogshit
LOL
>>67213579
That's a record breaking offense that failed to deliver. That's Tom Brady failing hard.
I just don't get why blame is always shuffled by you Patscucks. He had a bad game.
>>67213579
>>67213631
Had to do more with the fact that the Gnats secondary did their job a majority of the game and kept coverage on Brady's receivers so he couldn't spam short and screens like he was used to doing. Keep the coverage up and the pass rush then finishes the job.
>>67213658
>Thinking a blitz will cover receivers and put pressure on Brady because he just can't spam more passes to Gronkowski.
Typical pats fag tactic of using statistics to lie. Look at how he did against the Broncos this year. A good and healthy secondary with a decent pass rush fucks Brady up every time unless Belicheat figures out another way to cheat the system. Like he did with the Baltimore game 2 years ago.
>his receivers were shit
>the line was shit
>Bellicheck didn't surround him with enough weapons
>the defense gave up 17 points!
The fucking excuses
>>67210057
>2016 believing liberal media bias
>I can't believe the defense choked
>14 points will win you 99 games out of 100!
>>67210057
how can one image trigger pats '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''fans''''''''''''''''''''''''''' so much?
>>67213685
He didn't play well. I'm aware. At the very least, he gave his team the lead when the game was on the line.
But the fact you try to use this in an argument to claim he's inferior to Manning or something is absolutely hilarious. Assuming you're the OP - you're an absolute nutcase.
You really want to talk about Manning? His laughable pick-6 to lose his team the SuperBowl?
The Seahawks SuperBowl, where he threw another pick-6 and accounted for something like 20 of the Seahawks' points off turnovers - while only putting up a measly 8 points despite having a top 3 offense of all time? 54 TDs in the regular season as well.
KEK
>>67213734
>get consistent pressure with rushing only 3 or four
>literal near perfect coverage every snap
Such a secret weapon. I hate the shitty meme that somehow Brady folds under pressure when the real culprit is an offense that literally is incapable of running the football.
Pats in 2014 (won super bowl)
>5th in passing yards
>30th in rushing yards
Pats in 2015 (lost AFCCG)
>5th in passing yards
>30th in rushing yards
The offense is built around short and intermediate routes with 1-3 deep throws a game. They haven't really invested in the running back position in 5-7 years. Saying the team runs through Brady is an understatement. If you shut down Brady there isn't anything else to generate yards or points. The fact that the rest of the League hasn't caught on shows how hard the Pats offense is to stop even in a one dimensional mode. Hell the league office changed the rules at least twice because of the modern Patriots.
The fact of the matter is the Patriots are the golden standard of the league. Of the last 5 Super Bowls, the Patriots either won or lost to the winner in 4 out of 5 cases, the only exception being 43-8. Of the last 10 the same criteria holds for 7 of them. People cry pats fag wah all day long but at the end of the day we are witnessing a special era of football that will never be replicated. This is the golden age of American Football, enjoy it for what it is or shut the fuck up.
>>67212371
BRADY IS FAR MORE CARRIED BY MANNING? LMFAO.
Manning has 4 TDs in 4 SuperBowl appearances.
Brady had 4 TDs against the Seahawks alone (the team who killed Manning 43-8 the year before).
Manning threw for 3 TDs, 7 INTs in his SuperBowl win with the Colts, while Vinatieri kicked 14 FGs for them in that ONE post-season.
Brady has needed 14 FGs in all 4 SuperBowl winning post-seasons COMBINED.
And driving 50 yards in 90 seconds with no timeouts, in the SuperBowl, in your 1st year as a starter, does not mean you were "carried" to a SuperBowl. lmao. With 5'9 Troy Brown and David Patten as his shit WRs too.
If Brady is such a system QB, why haven't Mallett or Hoyer looked good in the exact same Patriots system they learned from as rookies in New England... then went on to play in Houston, under Bill O'Brien (former Pats' OC) who uses the EXACT same system. Please tell me about how great they did in Houston. Lmao. You can't.
>>67210057
4 > 2. Not surprised Americans don't math
>>67214031
Brady is a system baby who's playbook is 90% spamming short, screens and shovels to Gronk and whoever the flavor of the month receiver who is able to carry Brady. We get it.
It boils done to keeping Brady for doing that sort of spamming and you get him. Because he's going to throw it away in 2 seconds anyway if you have a 7 man rush. Just compare his game against the Chiefs to the Broncos. And you know that's true.
>>67214128
Manning didn't need to cheat to win.
Checkmate Leaf.
>>67210057
Lol, Brady got bitched
>>67214171
Cold weather lowering air pressure of footballs (basic science) and camera location are "cheating", huh? By this standard, every team in the league is cheating. Only the Patriots were made an example out of.
Keep resorting to pettiness and debunked childish garbage.
>>67214261
Equipment tampering, spying, stealing opposing team's information, destroying evidence. Yup, sounds like cheating and a cover up.
And this was after the league was bent over backwards and babied Brady with new rules for hitting a QB since he couldn't take a minor hit to the knee. And a decade long streak of beneficial refball.
>>67212734
Brady might not have been "The reason" for their first owl, but he certainly was for 2, 3 and 4.
>>67214261
Come on now there was literally texts talking about deflating the balls
>>67210057
Well peyton does have more league MVPs which imo, are a better indicator of a QBs quality. Superbowls are a team win. And not to mention, Peyton has had multiple coaches and straight up shit defenses. Brady has had the benefit of having one of if not the best coaches ever. But I'd still choose Brady in a playoff game.
>>67214401
No there weren't. The only texts that contained the word deflate were texts from 9 months before the AFC Championship game, not during the season.
>>67214171
>system baby
>spamming
>shovels
>understanding football
>you
Pick one. You argue like an Iggles fan.
Why do manningfags always seem like the type of guy who would let a black dude duck their girlfriend while apologizing for slavery?
>>67214364
Your basement's lack of sunlight has seriously depressed the fuck out of you, hasn't it?
It's appalling how petty and bitter you are. Not a single one of those things you mentioned has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
Lel @ not knowing what spygate (aka camera location gate) was even about.
Lel @ "destroying evidence" aka the biggest red herring from the league your naive dumbass gobbles up.
Keep it coming. I genuinely feel sorry as fuck for you dude. Put yourself out of your misery already.
>>67214502
>tom Brady is so cucked his wife won't take his last name
Can't get any more beta than that.
>(Total votes:1,363)
>>67214497
>>67214517
So you can't refute anything I said and can only resort to non sequitur or claim I don't 'get it'.
I accept your surrender. Just remember
Montana > Manning > Everyone who was good and didn't cheat > Brady
>>67214401
Quit reading headlines you dumb fuck.
See >>67214465
Not only that, but they had they were clearly using "deflate" in a weight loss context if you actually read the conversations which took place in fuckin May. NFL even had a commercial that used "deflate" in a weight loss context.
There wasn't a single text from Brady on the ball boys' phones, so needing Brady's phone was irrelevant anyway (his lawyers/NFLPA weren't going to let him due to the fact it would set a dangerous precedent. Brady wanted to hand it over initially)
Neither was there anything in Brady's e-mails that leaked.
Try again.
>>67214603
Absolutely everything you've said as been refuted in here, lmfao.
The irony of you claiming people are resorting to non sequitur is too strong. You're projecting.
>>67214171
>HGH
>PED's
you tried
>>67214741
In case this wasn't funny enough, it actually forgets one of the most embarrassing parts of Manning's career. 43-8. kek.
>>67214531
Make a strawpoll and do it than
>>67214824
It wouldn't be fair, they would just get their wifes' sons to vote up for manning.
>>67214824
Poll current players, retired players, GMs, coaches, Hall Of Famers.
Brady wins by a landslide.
>>67214676
>Using a fallacy fallacy
>Not refuting anything
Typical Lead debating skills.
>>67214171
> HGH is legal in the NFL now
>>67215039
>>67214757
>Made The Story Go Away ():^)
God forbid peypey goes down a drug abusing fuckass. No, lets remember him for a Superbowl he was carried to.
>>67215095
> exact same anount of evidence as deflategate
OP lost. He's just going to start another thread like this tomorrow and have the same thing happen again and again and again.
How is nobody else catching on to this deranged Manning obsessed fuck?
Notice how each one of his threads always start out pro-Manning, which is almost always the OP posing as other people to make his opinion seem legitimate. Then the thread shifts to a bunch of people murdering his cute laughable Manning arguments left & right.
4chan is really home to some of the lamest, saddest motherfuckers on the planet, isn't it?
>>67215223
Except you know, Manning didn't destroy evidence and wasn't caught red handed like Brady was.
>>67215223
There's actually more evidence in the HGH incident.
The footage of the PEDs dealer in his car going over all sorts of athletes he hooked up into detail, some being complete randoms, some being big like Manning. That's huge. Especially when Al Jazeera taped the phone calls they made to the Guyer Institute, confirmed he worked there as he claimed. (where he met Manning)
This would be the equivalent of a ball boy getting video recorded going into detail about deflating footballs. There was nothing remotely close to that for Brady though. For the last time - was basic science, you faggots.
>>67215282
> Caught red handed
And this evidence is where? The Wells report if anything exonerated him.
> destroying evidence
What is due process?
>>67215385
>Caught cheating at the game with deflated balls
B-b-b-but it was cold!
>Destroying evidence is now due process
This delusion.
Canada wins this one folks go home now. Anyone who watches football knows Brady is better just ignore this troll.
>>67215282
Yikes. NFLPA and his lawyers weren't letting him turn his phone over no matter what. It was never going to be "evidence". They'll never let a player do it.
They already had the ball boys' phones. Absolutely no texts worth noting on them from Brady. Nothing in his e-mails. You know... because basic fucking science tells us in grade 10 that air pressure drops in cold weather. You realize that 3 of the 4 Colts balls measured were also below regulation, right?
Keep gobbling up the NFL's red herring garbage about "destroyed phone". They expect the naive, no logic having retards like you to buy that.
If anyone was "caught red handed" it was the Vikings and Panthers warming up footballs on the sidelines. All they got was a warning. Or Aaron Rodgers caught "red handed" when Phil Simms brought up on air how he likes to sneak overinflated balls past refs and into games. He even admits it later on. Lmao. Nobody cares.
>>67215424
"b-b-b-but it was cold!" ?
What an ingenious rebuttal of scientific fact!
This is how delusional Manningcucks and Brady/Pats whiners have gotten: they're dismissing basic science.
>>67210057
>Rhode Island
fuckers, get the fuck out of New England and join the braindead South where you belong.
>>67215282
>Destroying text's that can easily be recovered
The league let that leak to justify slamming Brady. Peyton has been just as uncooperative with his investigation.
Roger is just a whiny Jets fanboy at heart and hates seeing the Patriots succeed. That's why Deflategate went so public while other investigations are nearly unheard of.
>>67212916
Having marvin Harrison and reggie wayne in their prime is basically the dream for any quaterback
>>67215505
This, as a Packer fan this is kind of a point I look at as how ridiculous this argument is. Rodgers did openly say he prefers them overinflated, crickets from the NFL.
I don't think players should be punished for this, game equipment should have always been maintained by refs and if there is something wrong with that equipment there should be no other place to look.
>>67216690
overinflated footballs don't help receivers catch and running backs carry them.
Hey, look, a non-American comment
>>67216737
It's still an equipment rules violation, as is heating footballs and any number of other offenses teams have done in the past to "increase" their chances.
Yet why were the Vikings, Chargers, Packers, or Steelers not charged draft picks, monetary fines, and suspension of their quarterbacks for what is by definition the same rules violation?
>>67216960
because the definition should be changed, since deflated footballs help all of the offensive players in all weather conditions.
>>67213221
if Brady wins another Owl, I'll kill myself on cam
screencap this
Go Lions
>>67216786
NEAT
>>67217148
Thats some fine goal post moving you're doing.
>>67218082
no it's not. i don't know if that was goodell's thinking, but that is what needs to happen. deflated footballs give you a firmer grip on the ball. yes heating them does too, but only in very cold conditions. deflation works anytime, and it is interesting that the patriots have had such a low fumble rate.
>>67212424
playoff wins
consecutive wins
consecutive passes without a pickoff
best td/pick ratio
source: [spoiler]Wikipedia [/spoiler]
>>67212760
>college and high school records counts
What
>tfw this may be the only chance to know what it feels like to be a rare flag
>>67215424
Only 11/12 balls were deflated Canuck
Did the punt/kickoff ball break the laws of physics?
Why weren't the balls bo longer deflated after halftime when the ref asked them to inflate them?
Why weren't the Colts balls deflated even though they were used under the same temperature and pressure?
Let's see this poll in 6 years when Brady retires.
>>67223657
Meant for >>67215582
