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-Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
-Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
-Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
-Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
-Drogba was barely better than your average striker
-Valdes was dogshit
-WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
-Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
-Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
-Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
Liverpool is big club.English football is good.Vardy is world class.Seria A is best football league.French national team is full of hooker lovers.
For such an old guy you sure don't know anything about football.
>>67090695
That's true,
you have a lot of shit opinions
>>67090764
>I don't agree with you
>Shit opinions
>>67090796
Check out the big brain on Brad!
>>67090695
These are just fucking shit opinions for the sake of being shit opinions, nice one lad.
NORWICH NORWICH NORWICH
>>67090695
>Carrick
>gets DOMINATED by Xavi
>better than Xavi
LOL
>>67090924
>murican
>football
>MURICAN
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Matthäus > Busquets
t. millenial
>not really
>agreed
>Pirlo nope, Gerrard yes
>kind of agree
>he was just utilized perfectly
>agreed
>Not agreed at all, it was one of the best tournaments, and clearly the best one in this millenium
>in his prime he was quite good
>may be true but people look at him too much in the aspect of diving
>he was never that good
>>67090695
i would still put fatnaldo above suarez
>>67090953
Busquets has been one of the most important players in one of the greatest systems in football history. No defensive midfielder in the past twenty years compares to him as an all round footballer.
>>67090976
>may be true but people look at him too much in the aspect of diving
But that's the thing, he only really did it a couple of times. Yes, one of them was a truly atrocious dive, but I don't think he does it anywhere near consistently enough to have the reputation of a diver.
>>67090695
your opinions are more shit than my national team
>>67091020
He likes to over exaggerate on fouls or certain tackles he loses, a lot
Different than diving
Iniesta was mediocre at best for the past 3 seasons, yet still made to the TOTY because of reasons.
History didn't begin in 2006, m8.
the US national team is pretty decent
>>67091014
Matthäus won the ballon d'or in the 90s
>>67090695
welcome to /sp/, retard. you'll fit in well here.
>>67091105
Not biscuits fault the Ballon d'Or is a glorified pichichi/golden boot now. Don't hate the player, hate the game
>>67091094
N-no we're not. Please take Klinsmann back
Pogba is 10x better than Nerman and if Barca don't sign him they wont win the Champions next year.
>>67091211
none of them are good or consistent
i don't think we'll see any players as consistent as messi and donaldo for a long time
>>67090924
This fampai, he sucked ass in the champions league finals they met
>>67090953
Busquets > Memetthäus
>>67091231
tf
tt
>>67090695
>-Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
no
>-Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
yes he is one of the best but he needs to get out of france
>-Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
i guess you can say that
>-Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
wouldn't say that
>-Drogba was barely better than your average striker
no. what the fuck?
>-Valdes was dogshit
i guess
>-WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
idk desu
>-Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
you can say overrated but not a pile of shit
>-Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
don't know about history but he's p amazing
>-Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
nah. if he was that good he would have player more matches
>>67090695
>Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history.
Not true.
>Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years.
Popular opinion.
>Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century.
Popular opinion.
>Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes.
Popular opinion.
>Drogba was barely better than your average striker.
Not true.
>Valdes was dogshit.
Popular opinion. Also, not true.
>WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014).
Popular opinion.
>Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated Spanish player in the history of football.
Not true.
>Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history.
Popular opinion.
>Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi.
Not true.
>Irate Droppa
>>67091105
Matthaus was an attacking midfielder when he won though. It was only later on he became a DM.
Nainggolan is a better midfielder than Verratti
>>67091422
R A R E
>>67091395
So what? He was more versatile than Busquets
>>67091428
Je bent zelf een rare man
The entire argument is destroyed by the Verratti and Pirlo thing. Verratti is a dime a dozen.
Short memories thread?
>>67091118
>tf
Are you even trying
>>67091422
>>67091528
F U C K I N G
rare flag
are you a local or tourist?
>>67091635
>tf
are you even human
wtf.......
>>67091422
U L T R A R A R E
L
T
R
A
R
A
R
E
>>67092284
Barely
I'd understand uncommon but ultra rare, seriously?
- Scholes is literally the best midfielder of all time, like seriously, the Man Utd team he played in however had perfect tactics for him.
- Borussia Dortmund never deserved to be in a CL final in recent times.
- Paul Lambert was a GOAT midfielder as well who just wanted comfy life.
- Cech is the best keeper in the world rn and has been for years.
- Current Barca would beat Pep Barca
- Ibrah is a cunt.
- Torres is really good looking.
- AVB is a top tier manager.
>>67091659
>australians
>>67092532
CRINGE
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>>67090695
>Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
>putting Pirlo and Gerrard in the same bracket
France is the actual best team in the world since the decline of Spain, better management is needed but in terms of talent they should be unstoppable; should have won the 2014 World Cup as well.
- Pires was better than Zidane in his prime
- Prime Henry is still better than current Suarez, though its close
- Cristiano Ronaldo was at his best in the 06-07 and 07-08 seasons for Man Utd
- Prime Drogba was better than prime Eto'o
- Robben is the best dutch player since Van Basten
- Aguero is the most overrated player in the world and has been for years
> Verratti > Pogba
r8 my shit opinions lads
>>67091344
>>-WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
>idk desu
How do you not have an opinion on this? Are you 18?
>>67091094
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>>67093297
Maybe individual talent-wise yes, but they're all African, so don't expect much of a team performance.
>>67092504
First 4 aren't true, last 4 are true.
>>67093256
Gerrard was world class once, unlike Pirlo. Verrati is a meme, deal with it.
OP is either a retard or he's 14yo, also shit unpopular opinions =/= shit opinions, you objectively know shit about football and saying "muh its my opinion mate" doesnt make you less retarded
>>67093963
quality post
>>67093963
this. please fuck off with your shit threads
>>67090695
No
Yes
Yes
Maybe
HELL YES
HELL YES 2
Maybe
Mostly yes
Probably yes (he's still a cunt though)
Yes and no
what have Verrati actually done?
he played in Serie B and went on to psgwinslol league, where he is most of the time injured. Cavani, Ibra, Di Maria are being shat on for playing in a joke league, while the injured midget gets a free pass for ... ?
>>67094387
veratti have play good n very skill. u r rong though when he play he get thirsty not hungry, get better england.
>>67093711
the only full wc i've seen is 2010. the rest - just important matches
>>67094650
Please go back to wherever you came from. Please.
>>67094387
veratti chats shit and bangs he should appeal to english desu
>>67090695
Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
Widely acknowledged, even by the man himself: manlet, not particularly athletic, et al.
It's just that he was exceptional at that particular attribute, to the point that seminal teams in Barca's and Spain's history were built specifically around his short tidy distribution.
>>67092504
>Cech is the best keeper in the world rn and has been for years.
You should probably ask arsenal fans how they like Cech and his "guaranteed 12 points"
>>67095120
Xavi was known for his endurance as well.
>>67095211
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/12115171/How-many-points-has-Petr-Cech-earned-for-Arsenal.html
>tf
>tp
EPL is the most interesting league of any first league in europe.
Bundesliga is completely overrated.
Robben and Ribery in their prime carried Buyern. The rest of the squad is above average EPL tier.
WC '06 was only interesting if you were in germany being part of the party.
Neuer is past his prime.
Liverpool is the only above average epl team that can sell the "we are totally not a plastic club and got feels" image.
>>67095442
Yes.
Yes.
Yes. Not quite.
Nope.
Yes.
Dunno.
>>67090695
>Busquets
>DM in history
Underage false flagger detected
There's no way in hell someone who has watched football in the 90s would ever rate Busquests that high
>>67091014
Redondo absolutely shits all over him...and his companions too
Biscuits? Best DM in History?
He's not even 1/10th of Van Bommel hahahaha
>>67096982
Please give me a better DM from the 90s.
>in b4 overrated Redondo, Deschamps, Vieira and shit
La Liga is the strongest league in Europe top to bottom but more often than not is like watching paint dry.
van Gaal is building something which will turn out good if he is given time.
Martinez is a good manager in a bit of a rut and in need of a fresh slate.
Kane is not a meme and is literally a world class striker.
Liverpool winning the league in 2013/14 would have been cool.
Pep will be exposed in the PL.
>>67097063
Redondo is not overrated,he was a phenomenal player
Also
>Who is Frank Rijkaard?
>Who is Marcel Desailly?
Get the fuck out you false flagger
Get the fuck out
>>67097063
> Redondo
> overrated
>>67097063
Edgar Davids was the shit m8.
Mexico is a top 10 national team
Fat ronaldo is (along with pele) the most overrated player ever
>>67097076
>Kane is not a meme and is literally a world class striker.
not unpopular. everyone recognizes kane as a great striker. he is the kind of striker england have needed for a long time
>Implying World Cup 2010 wasn't the worst
>Spain 1-0ing their way to victory
>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
>all those people hating on World Cup 2006
/sp/ literally confirmed for 15 year olds who don't remember the rigged shitstain of a World Cup in 2002
>>67090838
>Making references to Pulp Fiction
>Something found on Reddit every second
Explain.
>>67097301
You should stopping with cocaine, Dieguito
Dortmund are a very cucked club for a club of their stature and prestige
Buyernliga shills who like to nlame everyone else for the inequality of the league are cancer
Epl was a joke but will now be contenders in the CL with Pep, Poch, Mou and maybe Klopp leading the big clubs.
Lester are not going to be a one season wonder nor will they be BTFO in the CL. They are clearly a world class club and this seasons stats dont lie. They will most likely hold onto MVK (Mahrez, Vardy, Kante) for 1 more season.
Kane is overrated and not talented. Only good for working hard and shooting blooters
Alli will be the next Spurs goat to move onto a big club like Modric and Bayol
La liga is the best league in the world despite the upper table disparity between the big 3 and every other la liga midtable club. European rankings don't lie. Not one spanish club has been eliminated by anyone else other than fellow spanish clubs
Neymar is the next goat despite memes.
Messi will keep performing at Messi level for 3-4 more seasons.
Suarez will be out of Barca in a few more seasons. He's also not better than fatnaldo but he's clearly a generational talent
Luis Enrique and Zidane are good managers. Just not as good or as autistic as Poop and Mou
Biscuit is overrated
Juventus are horribly underrated
Higuain is not overrated. He is underrated but has a propensity to choke in big games.
Dybala is going to be Barca's next big player
Pogba is overrated and still all potential
USA will be a top 5 team by 2022-2026 due to all of our great upcoming youth. We will win a WC within the next 4 wc cycles
MLelS will never be a top league due to Eurocentrism but it will be a top destination if they get rid of the salary cap and bring over more Giovinco like players and fix the shitty academies. Red bulls academy should be the standard
>>67090695
>Pirlo / Gerrard overrated
>Busquets good
>Carrick better than Xavi
K I L L Y O U R S E L F
>>67097695
I wouldn't exactly call Spurs a big club.
>i rank Busquets
He is a great utility man but hardly an inspired footballer.
The fact that he plays for one of the most popular teams in the sport means he is automatically overrated.
>>67097643
What's with your obsession with reddit?
>>67097695
I agree with all of this
>>67090695
>French opinions
>>67091361
This sums it up pretty well. No more replies to OP, please, everyone.
>>67090695
Let's see:
>Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
He hasn't done anything to warrant this accolade. He's good but playing alongside Messi can make anyone average look amazing.
>Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
Nothing but pure speculation
>-Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
Blatant stupidity here Frenchie
>-Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
A midfielder whose job is to control the midfield with passes wasn't good?
>-Drogba was barely better than your average striker
This one's really stupid. He's by far one of the most clutch strikers to ever exist. Never choked at a big game ever.
>-Valdes was dogshit
I think this is the only one that I can agree with you on
>WC 2006 was most boring WC
No. 2010 was by far the worst, and it's actually the one that had less goals and Spain 1-0'd themselves all the way to the trophy playing boring tiki taka.
>-Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime,
No he wasn't you idiot. If you can rate Suarez as best striker of all time from his Liverpool run, you cant then turn around and say Torres was awful in 2007-2008.
>-Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
Not even close. Makelele, Gattusso did so much as DMs than having to rely on tailor made systems.
>Carrick better than Xavi
Please stop being intentionally stupid
>>67097063
Davids, Albertini or Makelele are all worth 30 Busquets each
>>67098784
People hear commentators say how important Busquets is to Barcelona then automatically think that it's a patrician opinion to rate him as best DM of all time. What a tall order and big shoes to fill.
>>67098784
albertini wasnt really a dm, more of central mid who could defend as well as create.
>>67095302
now show me after January...
Zidane wasn't that great and Makelele carried France in 2006 World Cup.
>>67098973
I honestly can find so many DM who are/were better than Busquets.
I will say that for him, though: in an era when defenders have to walk on eggs at all times since attackers are now over-protected, he's very good at his job.
He just wouldn't be a key player anywhere out of FCB.
>>67098499
>Never choked at a big game ever.
>getting sent off in the CL final
>not choking a big game ever
>>67098499
>playing alongside Messi can make anyone average look amazing
Holy shit and I'm supposed to be the underage fag here. Football didn't start in october 2014
>boring tiki taka
Literally the best and most effective way to play football. This is the reason why Spain was the best team in the world for four years straight, something that never happened before (Brazil 58 and 62 was overrated as fuck)
>If you can rate Suarez as best striker of all time from his Liverpool run, you cant then turn around and say Torres was awful in 2007-2008
He was fast as fuck but that's pretty much it. Dribbling skills ? No. Powerful shots ? No. Free kicks ? No. Headers ? No. Crosses ? No. Ball control ? No.
>Makelelel, Gattuso better than Busquets
I won't even reply
>>67099047
Yeah, Albertini was so good, he could do Pirlo's and Busquets' job at once.
>>67099253
Makelele is maybe one of the best traditional DM ever, man, tied with Davids.
>>67097695
Not really
Yes
Possibly, but not next year.
No
Kane is actually pretty good
I think Alli will stay for a good while
Easily
Probably
Maybe 1-2, then drop further down the pitch and still provide
2 more then he's out.
Too early to call on Zizou
Meh
True
True
Sounds good
Yes
No chance
Dunno
>>67099253
>I won't even reply
Sadly you did. Yeah Football didn't start last year, but I find it ironic how you call Torres overrated but are on Suarez's nuts as the best striker of all time. As scooby would say, that's a bunch of malarkey.
>Torres didn't have dribbling skills, heading or ball control
Literally tempted to go and fish out those youtube compilation skills kids used to make around then with a Linkin Park soundtrack but I won't cause you most likely won't even watch it.
>Tiki Taka most effective way to play football
Yes thus making it a boring tournament with lots of results that ended 1-0 or 2-0, try and stay in context here. It's inconceivable how you can rate the 2006 world cup which had so much high drama worse than 2010 where nothing special whatsoever happened.
Makelele and Gattuso are 10 times the DMs that Busquets wishes he was.
Speaking of responding, I don't even know why I just typed this all out for someone who rates Michael Carrick higher than Xavi. That's just about the worst most contrarian opinion I've ever seen on /sp/.
>>67091772
holy shit cant stop kekking
>>67099432
>I find it ironic how you call Torres overrated but are on Suarez's nuts as the best striker of all time
How is that contradictory? Suarez is clearly a much better player than Torres ever was
>>67090695
>-Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
he is good, but not even half of fatnaldo
>-Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
kek
>-Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
yes
>-Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
yes
>-Drogba was barely better than your average striker
yes
>-Valdes was dogshit
yes
>-WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
yes
>-Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
not more than mata
>-Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
no
>-Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
kek no
>>67099787
They literally had the same amount of goals in their Liverpool careers.
Maybe it's cause a lot of people here don't remember 2008 with it being almost a decade ago, but Torres was on the shortlist of best player in the world and was as valued as much as Suarez is today. Him and David Villa were a nightmare for defenses with Spain.
To say that Torres was only a speed babby is beyond stupid and just flat out wrong.
>>67100016
Suarez at Liverpool - 82 goals in 133 games
Torres at Liverpool - 81 goals in 142 games
So Suarez scored more goals in fewer games. You also chose to omit the fact that Torres was playing on a team that was a title and CL contenders, Suarez played for a upper mid table side
>>67100178
Actually Torres played less than Suarez (talking about minutes played, not games played). He wasn't always a starter since he was injured most of the time
>>67100178
Pre-2010 defenders were nothing like the gods the '90 gave us, but they still were much fiercer and had more latitude to do their jobs than now, so, there's that too
>>67100304
>le nostalgia glasses
90's defenders would get shredded by todays attackers at least until they make enough fouls for a red
>>67100178
>1 goal difference and 9 games is enough to shift the ratio significantly to make Torres be a "walking pile of shit"
Newsflash, the goal game ratio is still identical if you learned about how rounding off works in primary school, and even then the difference is only that of 0.05 between the two.
>Bringing up external factors that aren't relevant to the discussion.
You can nuthug Suarez all you want and even call him the best striker ever, I don't care, but the assertion that Torres was overhyped dogshit in his prime is nothing more than contrarian revisionist stupidity.
when will people stop overrating Biscuits in this way? one of the greats?
get fucking real. you guys fucking disgust me
>>67100360
Well, it would happen in two seconds, since football is now basketball and contact is not allowed.
Name just one of today's defenders who is as good as Blanc, Nesta or Ferdinand were. The decrease in defender's quality is what sparked the trend of pitch-wide intense pressing since last line wasn't as reliable as it was.
>>67100362
>Torres was overhyped dogshit in his prime is nothing more than contrarian revisionist stupidity.
He wasn't, but there's still nothing contradictory about rating Suarez while not rating Torres.
Suarez was better than Torres at Liverpool and is 1000000x better than Torres after leaving Liverpool
>>67100624
>>67100362
Just the fact that Suarez managed to be even better after moving to FCB than he was in Liverpool when Torres' career ended after moving to Chelsea show they are not of the same caliber.
But, come on, Liverpool-era Torres was a beast...
>>67100721
>But, come on, Liverpool-era Torres was a beast...
I agree, he was great. I just argued that rating Suarez while not rating Torres is not a contradiction of any kind
>>67100721
Yeah because Suarez totally went through knee injuries twice in a year, one of these requesting surgery, and several hamstring injuries as well right ?
Suarez is average as fuck and anyone who plays striker for Barcelona 06-16 is going to score shit-loads of goals for fun and look good.
>Henry
>Eto'o
>Villa
>Zlatan
>Suarez
etc etc.
>>67100624
>Suarez was better than Torres
You still just don't get it do you?
>>67100178
Torres played in a shit Liverpool team, Suarez played in the only Liverpool team that made the title-race.
Suarez was a good player in a good team and had back up from the likes of Sturrudge and Sterling.
Torres was literally the only good player at the club. The only player higher than a 7/10.
>>67100721
There's a big difference between playing with Messi and moving to Mourinho's Chelsea. Injuries killed Torres' career and he lost all his confidence, also gonna mirror what the other Brit said, any striker who goes to Barca and has anything less than a 30 goal season is considered a flop. You'd have to be trying very hard not to score being a striker for Barcelona.
>Suarez
>Best striker of all time
LMFAO
He's not even the 3rd best Liverpool striker of all time, let alone outside of Liverpool.
Dalglish
Owen
Torres
>>67100969
Torres played with prime Gerrard, xabi Alonso and mascherano.
>>67090695
>Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
Not yet, we'll see, he's still got time.
>Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
no
>Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
no
especially not post-Milan Pirlo.
>Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
possible
>Drogba was barely better than your average striker
He was great tier, but nothing more
>Valdes was dogshit
spot on
>WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
that's 2010 actually.
>Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
not that far from truth
>Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
Underrated - yes, best dm - not even close.
>Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
EPIN XD
>>67101096
And? They were fucking shit under Benitez and even worse when KKKenny took over. No wonder Torres wanted to leave that pile of shit.
>>67101096
And played against prime Vidic, Ferdinand, Terry and way better defenders than actual defenders as well.
>>67101178
He used to embarrass Vidic every time they played.
Only the british rate Scholes
>>67100863
>anyone who plays striker for Barcelona 06-16 is going to score shit-loads of goals for fun and look good.
How many strikers scored 53 goals in a season (and counting). Doesn't even have to be at Barcelona.
>>67100969
>Torres played in a shit Liverpool team
lmao, Torres joined a team that won the CL 2 years before, was coming off a CL final loss and was a EPL top 4 lock.
Suarez joined a team that finished 7th in the league
>>67100970
>You'd have to be trying very hard not to score being a striker for Barcelona.
Again, show me how many strikers managed 53 goals in a season. Doesn't have to be at this GOAT Barcelona side
>>67101178
Hummels>Vidic
Godin>Ferdinand
Kirchoff>Terry
>>67101211
Which is more evidence he was better than Suarez... which was his point.
>>67100999
>Owen
>>67101267
Suarez is the first striker to be properly played as a striker since Eto'o left, everyone else got shifted off to be LW. Alexis wasn't that great, but he was made to look better than what he actually was. David Villa did well at Barcelona despite breaking his leg and being out for a year, and even he had to merk it about on the wings while Messi played centrally.
Point being, a striker for Barcelona scores 20 more goals than they normally would playing for another team/league.
>>67101442
-100/10
Godin and Hummels aren't even better than Johnny Evans was in 2009. Let alone Rio and Vidic.
>>67101481
How many Balloon Doors does Suarez have la?
>>67090695
>Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
Maybe.
>Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
Nope
>Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
Nope
>Valdes was dogshit
Yup.
>WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
2002 was worse. That's the earliest I've seen as well.
>Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
You'd literally have to be insane to believe this.
>Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
He's up there, sure.
>Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read. Holy shit.
I thought the french posters were pretty based on spee before this thread
>>67101267
Kris Boyd for a start.
What's that? Scoring goals for Rangers in the SPL isn't that big a deal?
Well you can fuck right off because scoring goals for this Barcelona team when they win every game 5-0 isn't a big deal either.
>>67101598
>muh awards
Even Sturridge is better than Owen, never mind Suarez.
>>67090838
You sicken me.
Idk if this is that unpopular but
>Ronaldo was much better when he was playing at United
>>67100970
I give you the fact that Torres wasn't helped a lot on Chelsea. Still, he missed many, maaaany opportunities that could have made his run at Chelsea quite okay (which would have been impressive under Mourinho).
And being a good striker at Barcelona is a lot tougher than you think it is. The amount of work done without the ball, especially, is overwhelming. And Suarez is not just good. This season, he is stellar
>>67101666
>Kris Boyd for a start.
He literally did not. Try again.
>>67101655
Why would you think that?
They just overrate and overhype their own players and PSG players.
One of them was trying to tell me Pogba and Veratti were 'World Class' in another thread... Jesus Christ.
Suarez isn't even the best uruguayan striker in history
>>67101503
You're saying Villa did great. He scored 23 goals in his best season at Barcelona.
Does that mean he'd score 3 at another team?
>>67101465
Yes I was agreeing with him. My originally gripe was the French idiot OP saying there was a huge gulfing class between Suarez and Torres when he was at his prime for 3 years. There wasn't, statistically they were almost identical but I rate Torres more as a matter of opinion.
>>67101521
Hummels is a meme player, but Godin is a solid defender.
>>67101722
Nah, you try again.
I could score 30+ for Barca comfortably. They play against utter shit week after week.
>>67101442
Stop ruining my unpopular opinions thread with your sickening shitposting
>>67101751
then who is
>>67101776
Villa was playing on the left wing at Barca and he scored important goals instead of statpadding like Suarez did this weekend with 2 penalties. Even after coming back from a broken leg, he still did much better than Alexis Sanchez.
>>67101800
>I could score 30+ for Barca comfortably
Then why did Villa, Ibrahimovic, Henry, Pedro, Alexis, Ronaldinho etc never manage 30 goals for Barcelona?
The only players who did in recent memory are Messi, Neymar, Suarez and Eto'o
Once again, how many players eclipsed Suarez goalscoring total from this season?
>>67101776
>23 goals
>Not great
Kill yourself.
Besides, goals doesn't mean shit. All a goal means is you literally tapped the ball over a line, congrats...
There's a little more to being a top level footballer than that you fucking spastics.
>>67101800
>They play against utter shit week after week.
La Liga teams consistently destroy EPL teams in Europe, so if they're utter shit, what does that make EPL teams?
>>67101751
I thought you guys worship Suarez. Surprised by this post.
>>67101914
The reason Suarez is scoring so many goals this season was cause Messi was out injured for a month, and they want him to win the pichichi ahead of Ronaldo, so he's the one getting all the penalties and chances created for him.
It's not cause he's the greatest striker of all time. Only a true underage baby thinks that.
>>67101914
>Then why did Villa, Ibrahimovic, Henry, Pedro, Alexis, Ronaldinho etc never manage 30 goals for Barcelona?
When Villa, Ibra, Pedro and Alexis were playing there, Guardiola was all about "just pass it to Mehssi!!!!!"
Henry was already an old injured fat fuck when he joined Barça. Prime Henry would have destroyed la Liga
Ronaldinho was overrated shit to begin with
>I rate Redondo, Ronaldinho, Torres and Xavi
Holy fuck this thread, just when I though I had some "unpopular opinions"
>>67101914
>The only players
>Lists literally FOUR players in nearly as many years
LMFAO
You're just digging your own grave now m8. You're just proving how easy it really is.
Suarez scored 31 PL goals, which is pretty good but nowhere near the likes of Shearer, Henry, Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Drogba etc. etc. etc. etc.
He's a great player sure, but not even in the top 30 strikers of the past 30 years.
>>67102004
Probably a Peñarol supporter
>>67101952
>The top LaLiga teams
Fixed that for you.
Villa (20th) would finish 6-8th in La Liga easily.
>>67093442
They're all insane, except for the one about Drogba, that one's true. And although I'd say Suarez is better than prime Henry, it's very close. Very very close.
>>67102031
>31 PL goals
>nowhere near the likes of Shearer, Henry, Rooney, van Nistelrooy, Drogba etc. etc. etc. etc.
You do realise that Shearer was the only one of those players to score more than 30 PL goals in one season, right?
>>67102024
>Ronaldinho was overrated shit
Awful Pierre, just awful
Anyone who doesn't recognize the fact that Suarez is extraordinary this year is z contrarian.
Anyone who says he is GOAT or even among the greatests is a stupid baby who doesn't have the patience to see if he can maintain at least this level for more than one year. He would maybe have to win some games by himself, too. Important games, I mean.
>>67102031
>Trying to imply Suarez wasn't the best
>By listing players who never scored as much goals as him except for Shearer
>>67102112
So you admit Shearer is better than Suarez?
>>67091422
Was half expecting Nainggolan to be a Cape Verdean footballer
>>67102072
>Villa would finish 6th-8th in La Liga
Top kek, Villa aren't better than Valencia. Speaking of Valencia, goes to show just how awful English coaching and philosophy is, the man nearly killed the club,making them lose by 3 goals consistently. I'd even say that the best team in England would struggle to finish 4th in La Liga.
>>67102210
Shearer's best PL goalscoring season - 31 goals in 35 games
Suarez's best PL goalscoring season - 31 goals in 33 games
>So you admit Shearer is better than Suarez?
nope
>>67102081
Even the Robben one? Surely rating Robben over Bergkamp is a respectable opinion by now?
When a Yank tells you you don't understand football, you don't understand football. Shameful display, Jacques.
>>67102081
>Suarez is better than prime Henry
Is this what it feels like being old and seeing kids parrot opinions that just hurt your soul?
the whole suarez meme is really getting tiring now
let me list some superior strikers
Andy Cole
Alan Shearer
Michael Owen
Henry
van Nistelrooy
Drogba
Dimitar Berbatov
Ronaldo
Wayne Rooney
van Persie
Serigio Aguero
Anthony Martial
And that's just the past 15 years.
And that's just in England.
Best of all time? Laughing hard, really am. This is why I come to /sp/. A good laugh.
Makes me feel better about myself when I see how retarded others are.
>>67102256
Shearer scored 34 goals in his best season you utter retard.
Carroll deserves to play in the Euros, assuming he's healthy.
>>67102412
In 42 games, that's a worse scoring rate than his 31 goal season.
It's ok though, you probably didn't watch football back when the Premier League had a 42 game schedule
>>67102452
Just proves he's even better. Means more to do it over a longer period.
Wouldn't expect you to understand that though.
>>67102452
>34 goals is worse than 31 goals
Time for you to go to bed.
Or are you going to tell us that Rashford is the GOAT because he managed 4 goals in 2 games?
Wouldn't rate Suarez above Van Persie to be quite honest with you.
>>67102501
34 goals in 42 games are worse than 31 goals in 35 games
>Or are you going to tell us that Rashford is the GOAT because he managed 4 goals in 2 games?
No because 2 games are too small of a sample size as opposed to 30-something games
>>67102537
>>67102537
>34 goals in 42 games are worse than 31 goals in 35 games
It's objectively not you massive spastic.
>>67102537
>No because 2 games are too small of a sample size as opposed to 30-something games
oh so you just decide these arbitrary markers by yourself
what about 20 games?
just save yourself some time and concede that you're borderline mentally retarded. you lost this argument about 30 minutes ago
>>67102512
Definitely not. Peak van Persie was something special.
OP is a retard
>>67102259
Yes. I'm not gonna call Robben shit, I'm not insane. But I'd still say that Bergkamp, prime Sneijder and Kluivert were better.
>>67102345
Oh come on, don't take that fake, pretentious "I'm so much older and wiser than these darn kids" route. Give me one reason why I should rate Henry as a better footballer than Suarez. Suarez is just as good a finisher as Henry, technically superior, and is almost as fast as him.
A good casual weeder is to ask someone to name their top 5 LBs.
>in b4 Evra
>>67090695
>Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
Nope
>Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
First part agreed second part not so sure
>Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
They're definitely up there. Still great players though.
>Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
but that's what he was praised for
>Drogba was barely better than your average striker
Agreed. I guess you have to give him credit for scoring in big games but if I were a Chelsea fan I would have expected so much more from your main striker for like 8 years. I think he had two 20+ goal seasons that entire time, sure his strength was mainly from his hold up play and he allowed other players like Lampard to get goals but that's still pretty poor for a "top striker".
>Valdes was dogshit
Agreed
>WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
Nah 2010 was worse
>Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
Overrated sure but not a walking pile of shit
>Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
Agreed. I thought I was the only one.
>Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
Yes to the first part no to the second
>>67102765
First of all Suarez isn't nearly as fast as Henry. Secondly, Henry was on top of the mountain for 7 years, that's 7 years of consistently being a top striker and scoring 20+ goals, and being a nightmare for defenses, as well as carrying an average Arsenal team to a CL final and being part of the legendary 2004 invincibles.
To include Suarez in the same bracket as Henry, he needs to have the same number of years on top if not more, so he needs another 3 more years to maintain this level if he wants to be put in the same topic of discussion, as well as be able to say that he's played in 2 world cup finals and won one of them.
I always cringe when people are already touting people as GOAT just cause they've been good for less than 5 years, that's not the measuring stick and it never has been. Especially not for best striker of all time. You're gonna need so much more than just being fed tap-ins all day by Messi.
>>67090695
If he's so good, why hasn't he won the Premier League?
>>67102777
RC, Frank de Boer, Lahm, Hughes, Maldini. Maybe screw Maldini, or Hughes because I've never seen him live and put Zanetti in there instead, even though he mostly played on the right.
>>67102989
>You're gonna need so much more than just being fed tap-ins all day by Messi.
>score a shit ton for Ajax
>score a shit ton for Liverpool
>score a shit ton for Uruguay
>score a shit ton for Barcelona
>hurrr he only scores bcuz messi xd
>>67091228
>>67090924
But Barcelona played 4 midfielders in 2011. Man Utd were outnumbered, they had no chance!
>>67100970
>Torres under Mourinho
litteraly only one season, Ancelotti bought him
>>67103064
Looks like you skimmed over everything else and just read the last sentence there.
And it's no secret that this season he's been getting fed better than he has ever in his career. That's why he has 53 instead of the usual 30.
>>67102989
He's been a world class striker since 2009/2010. He had that one season for liverpool when he seemed to hit the goalpost every other shot he took, but he always created chances and terrorized defenses. He almost carried an average liverpool side to a PL victory. He's the alltime top scorer for Uruguay and carried them to a Copa America victory in 2011.
>>67102777
Of now, or all time?
>>67103153
Looks like you didn't understand the point.
Suarez has been consistently world class since 2009
>>67103187
With all due respect, Jozy Altidore scored 20+ goals a season in the Eredivisie and only managed one in the EPL. I don't rank it.
>He's the all time top scorer for Uruguay
And Henry is the all time top scorer for France and has won a Euro and world cup. Again like I said, it takes more than just 3 years being on top to be considered on the same level. He wasn't even better than Aguero 3 years ago.
>>67103208
Both.
anyone who says suarez > henry is an underage faggot and should leave asap
>>67102777
Maldini, Lizarazu, Fachetti, Brehme and Roberto Carlos
>>67103299
>Jozy Altidore scored 20+ goals a season in the Eredivisie and only managed one in the EPL. I don't rank it.
And Luis Suarez scored 22 goals in 31 games in the eredivisie and scored 31 in 33 in the epl. What's your point. Many people count Primera Division as the greatest league in the world. Iago Aspas didn't score a single goal for Liverpool in the PL, and this season he has 14 in Spain.
Henry once played for a team dubbed "the invincibles" and yet he never managed to score more goals in a single season than Suarez did for Liverpool.
>>67103299
He wasn't instrumental at all in the French wins of 98 and 2000.
We would have won 98 without him, and gone to the 2000 finals without him as well.
He has always been overrated. He was never able to do what he did outside the PL at a time when any speeder scored 20 goals a season against 95% shit defenders and GKs
>>67103299
>has won a Euro and world cup
The difference is Suarez was the best player for Uruguay when they won the CA while Henry was carried by Zidane and the defence.
>>67103506
My point is that Eredivisie is an inferior league. And if you're calling Suarez the goat already then nothing's stopping me from calling Lewandowski the goat, cause he actually helped Dortmund destroy the chokehold Bayern had on the league with his goals, something Suarez failed to do.
>he never managed to score more goals in a single season than Suarez did for Liverpool
Such a dumb statistic. How many PL trophies does Suarez have? How many does Henry have?
>>67103539
Here's a pity (you)
>>67102765
>technically superior
Did you even watch Henry?
>>67103280
And Rooney has been consistently world class since 2006.
So what? Doesn't make him the best of all time.
>>67102765
>technically superior
Henry was ridiculously great for a 6'2" tall guy
>>67090695
Leicester City are going to win the CL.
>>67103732
>>67103628
I don't think people even know what they mean when they said "technically".
It's like they think it means "ability to dribble around players and keep control of the ball in tight spaces"
What it actually means is "technique" and their general technique as a player.
Vidic, for example. Was wonderfully technical with his sliding tackles. He timed them to perfection. He hooked the ball away perfectly. And he recovered well afterwards. Fantastic technique, very technically gifted.
It could be argued that Vidic was technically better than Suarez. I'm not sure why you'd argue that point, because they perform completely different roles. But you could say that Vidic's technique as a defender was better than Suarez's technique as a forward. I think that's a perfectly valid argument as both of them are/were among the best in their position in the world.
>Scholes
Technically gifted passer
Not a technically gifted tackler
>Messi
Technically gifted dribbler
Not a technically gifted marker
"He has great techniqe" is a completely redundant statement unless you are referring to a specific facet of the game.
>>67103602
>How many does Henry have?
He didn't fucking win those on his own you know. Suarez almost did. It's like saying Maradona was better than Messi because he won the WC.
>>67103997
>He didn't win any of those on his own
>Suarez almost did
Wew lad, I'm not sure what you're even going for at this point. You can't be older than 20.
>>67103997
>It's like saying Maradona was better than Messi because he won the WC.
But people make basically that exact same argument on here all the time and think it's okay.
>Pique is a mediocre defender
MUH WORLD CUP
MUH CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
MUH TREBLE
MUH EUROS
WORLD CLASS!!!! BEST IN THE WORLD!!! IF [Insert obviously superior defender here] IS SO GOOD HOW COME HE HASN'T WON THE WORLD CUP??
And so on.
>>67103995
Fine. I meant ability to manipulate the ball in order to pass his opponent and set himself and/or others with a shot at goal.
suarez is not even better than forlan
>>67104026
Not an argument. Henry played with a great Arsenal side. Suarez played with a mediocre Liverpool side. That's just a fact.
>>67104034
So dribbling then?
>>67104026
If you were older than 20 you'd remember that Henry played with Lehman, Campbell, young Kolo Toure, Ashley Cole, Patrick Vieira, Bergkamp, Adams, Keown, Pires, Ljungberg etc
Suarez played with a geriatric Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, an 18 year old Sterling, Simon Mignolet, Glen Johnson and Aly Cissokho
>>67104086
Well obviously.
>>67104099
This. Suarez is the only player from the 13/14 Liverpool team who would start for the Invincibles. Most of Liverpool's starting 11 wouldn't even make the bench.
>>67104070
Henry played with a great Arsenal side and was by far the best player in it.
Suarez played for a good Liverpool side and didn't really stand out that far ahead of Sturridge, a player who was plagued with injures yet still somehow manged to score 21 PL goals and make 12 PL assists.
>>67104124
Well obviously it's not obvious, because you were calling him technically superior 5 minutes ago m8.
Lots of players are good dribblers. Robinho. Nani. Quaresma. The list is endless. Doesn't really mean anything. Smart players don't have to dribble. They make the ball do the work. Pass and move.
>>67103997
>Suarez almost did.
he, this meme.
Sturridge was pheonomenal and scored more than 20 league goals that season.
>>67104144
Yeah, I'm not arguing that Sturridge isn't a great attacker, but to claim that Henry outshined his opponents to a greater degree than Suarez did is ludicrous. Patrick Vieira and Dennis Bergkamp were world class players at the time, as were Sol Campbell and Ashley Cole.
I can't believe some of you retards.
Suarez
Better than fucking Henry!?
Are you high?
Suarez isn't even obviously better than Martial let alone fucking Henry.
He's not even better than the next Henry let alone the actual Henry.
>>67104197
>Sturridge was pheonomenal and scored more than 20 league goals that season.
And Suarez scored more than 31 league goals, was 2nd in league assists and 1st in penalties won.
>>67104070
Arsenal wasn't "great" when he was carrying them on his back to the CL final.
You also can't start using the "He played for a better team" argument when comparing individual players. I already told you that Henry was great for 7 years in the premier league as a top striker when competition was stiff, then you bring in Suarez's career from the joke league that is the Eredivisie where Altidore was a top player. Suarez has been at the pinnacle for 3 years, he needs 3 more years to be in even the same conversation as Henry.
He is just marginally better than Aguero and Lewandowski, and a good generational striker of his era. That's as far as it goes.
Right now I can't take you or anyone else who seriously thinks that Suarez is better than prime Henry or even greatest striker of all time. It must be the Liverpool fan-boyism delusion seeping through, that or I can only think of you as being horrifically underage and I bet I would be correct in either of my assumptions.
>>67104099
>Lehmann
>good
tip top kekkery kok
>>67104226
Sturridge got more assists than Suarez despite playing nearly 10 less games.
If Sturridge was fit all season, he'd arguably have been better than Suarez that year.
>Sturridge
>Literally a player on the level of Welbeck
>>67104227
>Arsenal wasn't "great" when he was carrying them on his back to the CL final.
Suarez's last season CL run was 10 times more impressive than Henry's 2006 CL run. Especially considering that Suarez scored the winner in the final while Henry choked away 3 sitters in his final.
>>67104221
m8, I don't care how good Suarez is, he didn't defend by himself
in fact, he didn't defend at all
it was a very good team, suarez certainly didn't carry them, without suarez they had sturridge and sterling
>>67104266
>Sturridge got more assists than Suarez
>literally lying in an online argument
>>67104253
Worse than Mignolel?
>>67104226
and? the idea that suarez carried that team single-handily is silly. I can't name any team bar Barcelona and Real Madrid that have more than 1 player with >20 league goals. It was a great team offensively, but weak defensively. Having a pacebaby like Sterling on the wing was key as well.
>>67104294
>he didn't defend by himself
No one on that team defended, which makes his season even more impressive
>>67104186
>Doesn't really mean anything.
Excuse me? Dribbling ability doesn't matter? I get that there's a lot of pointless flah out there, but take Suarez' dribbling ability and combine it with his strength, pace, eye for goal and ability to always keep track of his opponent and you got yourself a world class player. It is this you forget when you write things like:
>Smart players don't have to dribble. They make the ball do the work.
You forget it's not just sparks and glitter with no end-product, there's a lot of goals that come out of it. There is more than one way to score a goal and win a game.
>>67104225
>Suarez isn't even obviously better than Martial
Holy shit man, take off your United goggles.
>>67104322
The opposite actually. It's easy to score loads of goals in system where the strategy is "Fuck defending, let's just outscore them!"
A striker's dream.
Conversely, Henry's Arsenal sides were very solid defensively and defensive in midfield too. Hence their unbeaten run.
>>67104301
fairly close, Mignolel is still young (I think)
>>67104304
Suarez - 5 knockout goals + 2 knockout assists including scoring the winner in the final
Henry - 2 knockout goals (0 goals after the QF) including choking 3 sitters in the final
And again, 2000' babies don't seem to remember how Henry was no good at Juve, went to become good in a league with shit defenders, and became okay-ish when he went to FCB and speed wasn't enough to score goals anymore
>>67104355
>combine it with his strength
Top kek one of the most notorious divers in the history of the game. If you want to put him in a top 5 of anything all time, put him in the divers list.
>>67104369
You'd have a point if the defenders actually contributed in attack but the back 5 were literally dead weight (except for Skrtel at set pieces).
>>67104355
Dribbling doesn't matter if you are good at other things.
van Nistelrooy for example, is a far superior striker to Suarez but I can count on one hand how many times he actually 1-on-1 beat a defender with dribbling or a burst of pace
It's only important if that's what your game relies on.
You can't just go "Suarez was better at dribbling therefore he was better than Henry" which is essentially what you did.
>>67104221
> Mentions Vieira/Bergkamp/Sol/Cole
> Doesn't mention our actual second best player in Pires
Pires stays being underrated.
>>67104367
He's not though.
Martial is faster, stronger, better dribbler and he's only 19 but his finishing is already pretty good and on track to be better than Suarez by 22-23 at the latest.
In what way does Suarez beat Martial? Other than being 10 years older and having 10 years more experience and development in front of goal?
>>67104227
>It must be the Liverpool fan-boyism delusion seeping through, that or I can only think of you as being horrifically underage
Yeah, great ad-hominems you're going with there. One of them is actually correct. But they don't really matter when you're trying to argue about something other than the person you're talking to.
You've already made the argument that Henry was a world class striker for 7 years, and I've told you that I feel that Suarez has been at least equally good for the same amount of time. There's no point in going down that road again.
>>67104437
I hate Arsenal, but this guy made France's wins in 98 and 2000
>dat assist in moneytime against Paraguay
>dat assist in moneytime against Italy
>>67104369
>The opposite actually. It's easy to score loads of goals in system where the strategy is "Fuck defending, let's just outscore them!"
This is why the arguments about Suarez are bullshit and why Torres and Henry easily bested him in the PL.
That season was a complete one-off where Liverpool's tactics were so unorthodox that it's impossible to draw any conclusions about any of their players that season.
>>67104294
>in fact, he didn't defend at all
That's a bold lie. No one worked as hard as Suarez did on that team. And comparing Sterling to Suarez is also pretty brave.
>>67104407
The fact that he's a notorious diver, doesn't mean he's not strong.
>>67104509
> that 01/02 Pires
Shame we couldn't see him in the world cup at his peak.
>>67104526
I'm not comparing them. I'm saying Sterling was class that season and so was Sturridge. The attack in general was brilliant and their tactics were spot on.
Obviously Suarez is and was better than Sterling. He also edged it with Sturridge too. The point is that it's not like it was one player carrying 10 farmers into the title-race.
Swap Suarez directly with any top player and they'd hit 30 goals too.
Henry
Rooney
Martial
Rashford (maybe)
Kane
Vardy
Torres
They'd all run absolutely riot in that team under those tactics. Suarez was nothing special or out of the ordinary that season. He was just the main striker in a team that did nothing but attack and set him up with chances on a plate time and time again.
>>67104480
It's not an ad-hominem, I know for a fact you're a Liverpool fan boy.
>He's been equally good for the same amount of time
He hasn't nor has he accomplished the same feats that Henry did. He is marginally better than Aguero who has accomplished more.
>>67104431
I literally wrote "there's more than one way to score a goal".
>Dribbling doesn't matter if you are good at other things.
Fuckin yes it does. What if United with Van Nistelrooy was pushed far down the field, with no one being able to break free from their man and pushing forward on their own? Van Nistelrooy was a great box-player, one of the greatest ever, but he wasn't much usefull otherwise. He needed wingers and midfielders to serve him, and then he'd deliver.
>>67104653
>What if United with Van Nistelrooy was pushed far down the field, with no one being able to break free from their man and pushing forward on their own? Van Nistelrooy was a great box-player, one of the greatest ever, but he wasn't much usefull otherwise. He needed wingers and midfielders to serve him, and then he'd deliver.
So? He's still a better footballer and striker than Suarez.
So was Henry
And so was Torres
Get over it.
>>67102989
>carrying an average arsenal side to the champions league final.
Totally ignoring their quality defense that actually carried them to the final
>>67104634
>It's not an ad-hominem
It's the very definition of an ad-hominem. You're attacking me instead of my argument.
>I know for a fact that you're a Liverpool fan boy.
How? How do you know that? How do you know that I'm a Liverpool fan boy and not a Barca fan, or an Ajax fan. Or an Uruguayan posting from a Norwegian IP adress? How do you know that I'm not just some guy who really really likes Luis Suarez? I'm getging the feeling that you're either a massive United supporter or an Arsenal fan, but I don't bring that in to question since it doesn't fucking matter, since we're discussing who's the best of Thierry Henry and Luis Suarez, and not what team you should support.
>>67104770
>Eboue
>Quality defense
You're making me giggle like a little girl Pedro
>>67104697
>So?
So dribbling actually matters for something.
>>67104799
you know that defence has the record for most consecutive CL clean sheets, right?
>>67104799
Who carried the team?
The striker who scored 2 goals in 7 games.
Or the defence that kept 6 clean sheets in 7 games and only conceded in the final after being down to 10 men?
>>67101914
>Villa
Injuries and played out of position
>Ibrahimovic
Didn't fit the system
>Henry
Was past his peak and was played out of position
>Pedro
Was always an average player being made to look better than he is because of a dominant team
>Alexis
Not quite world class level. His goal output for Arsenal is the same as with Barca.
>Ronaldinho
Was a midfielder
Suarez was doing worse than all of them when he had to play at RW. It's only because Messi finally gave up his CF spot that he's doing so well. The above names didn't have that luxury.
>>67104799
Look up how many goals they conceded when you're done giggling
>>67104847
>>67104868
>>67104900
He was carrying them in attack and scoring important goals that saw them off to the next round. You know exactly what point I'm making but choosing to be obtuse.
Arsenal were hot garbage that season in the league. It's like saying Chelsea's defense was great that year they finished 6th but won the CL.
>>67104810
In a highly specific and made up hypothetical situation.
You can't have players with a skillset to suit every fucking scenario.
Even Messi will come into situations where he can't cope. For example, being muscled out by defenders.
>>67099432
>americans
how embarrassing
>>67104964
Answer the question.
Who carried the team?
a) A striker with 2 goals in 7 games
b) A defence that kept 6 clean sheets in 7 games
It's a simple question.
>It's like saying Chelsea's defense was great that year they finished 6th but won the CL.
But their defence was great in the CL that year
>>67090939
>croatia
>or whatever your shit flag is
>anything
lol do they even have jokes in those countries? I thought they were too concerned with just finding fokd and water
>>67104964
He didn't carry them at all in the champions league though, it's ok we all get things wrong sometimes, you can admit you were wrong.
>>67104985
I'm not even American you stupid idiot. What's embarrassing is how you probably didn't read any of that and thought you were being so clever green texting >AMERIGUNS xD...You wish I was as clueless as you.
>>67104994
Henry was carrying the team in attack and actually getting the important goals. It's disgusting how this argument is now shifting to team rosters when the argument was about individual talent. Henry didn't need to be carried by anyone, he was great all by himself.
>But their defence was great in the CL
Yes only for that tournament, that doesn't mean it was a great defense overall when they finished 6th in the league. Drogba's clutchness carried Chelsea, not Bosingwa and David Luiz in defense.
>>67104964
and you're choosing to ignore how good the defence was in the CL that season.
Henry got them past Madrid, then only scored once more in the competition (after Fabregas had given them a 1-0 lead against Juve, which was enough to win the tie)
>>67104876
>Memehimovic
Perfect example of why he couldn't cut it at Barcelona
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIR_VMAEK1U
>>67105092
>Henry was carrying the team in attack
The entire team scored 5 goals in 7 games so he didn't do that good of a job at carrying it
>actually getting the important goals.
Like the goal vs Real Madrid that got them to the QF and?
????
>Yes only for that tournament
Which just so happens to be the tournament that we're discussing. So fucking what if they were average in the league, they were fantastic in the CL and carried Arsenal in the CL.
>>67105092
>makelele
>better than busquets
if you're not one then you were born in 2005, hang yourself faggot
>>67105212
The irony of some faggot saying I was born in 2005 while overrating Busquets is hilarious.
Go back to flag posting and shitposting. It's clear you're not cut out for anything else you mentally challenged social recluse.
>>67092532
Dude.
>>67104980
Yeah, but it's a likely scenario. Meeting a well organized, hard pressing team that pushes you downfield.
Good players are good because they can excel under any given situation. Like Luis Suarez.
>Caring about how a player did in one tournament decades ago
Literally who cares?
Anyone that saw Henry play knows he was absolutely miles ahead of Suarez. Henry was arguably better than Fat Ronaldo. That's the debate we should be having.
Saurez isn't even better than Aguero, Lewadowski, Benzema, Rooney, Torres, Drogba, Zlatan, Eto'o, van Persie etc. etc. etc.
These Liverpool and Barca fanboys really need to fuck off sharpish. Worse than the Manure idiots...
Saurez is a great footballer but he's nothing special. Nothing we haven't seen plenty of times before. Also he's got a terrible attitude problem which also is a factor, yes, missing 7 months counts against you when you are weighing up the pros and cons of a player...
>>67105238
>makelele better than busquets
all I need to know to say you're a clueless idiot, we must all be wrong though kekekek
>>67105212
I don't think you know exactly who Makelele was.
>>67105260
Except Suarez can't handle every situation and has more weaknesses to his game than van Nistelrooy, Henry, Torres or any of the names mentioned ITT.
>>67105132
>after Fabregas had given them a 1-0 lead
Assisted by Henry
I'm choosing to be objective and say that the defense wasn't that good and that they were overachieving in the CL cause they were in danger of not even making top 4, so winning CL was one of their only options.
>>67105181
>He didn't do that good of a job
I feel like I'm talking to someone who's just looking at wikipedia stats instead of recalling the actual tournament.
>So what if they were average in the league
That's me debunking the claim made by the Spaniard that they were a "quality defense"...Another thing is, Di Matteo's Chelsea weren't a quality defense either in 2012, they were just great bus parkers. Drogba was playing RB for them.
>>67105281
someone as french as you are, mjboutu
>>67105270
>Henry was arguably better than Fat Ronaldo
Toppest of keks.
You must either be an Arsenal fag, or someone who thought early 2000 PL was the best league ever. Or you're a less than 30 Frenchman. Or all of those.
>>67105279
>we
Who's we? All I see here is an unstable American faggot coming in shitposting like the moron that he is. I think you got lost on your way to /b/, /int/ or /pol/ where shitposts like yours are the norm.
Pique is also better than Maldini right?
>>67105289
>more weaknesses to his game than van Nistelrooy
Yeah, you keep saying this, but you're not telling me what these weaknesses are.
>>67105344
How about not biting opposition defenders for a start?
>>67105340
>everyone ridicules his stupidty
>uses some retarded comparison to further prove his lack of knowledge and shit tier irony
sounds like a contrarian kid who just started watching football
>>67105289
What, because the best player is the one who is good at every facet of his post?
Inzaghi wasn't the fastest, or the most technical guy ever, yet, he was one of the best forward ever.
>>67105334
>Not thinking Henry was better than Ronaldo
Kill yourself my man.
>>67105384
I like discussing football, and being presented with opinions different from mine, but with intelligent adults, please.
>>67105318
>recalling the actual tournament.
What I recall from the actual tournament is Arsenal recording 6 consecutive clean sheets to get to the final which was 10x more impressive than anything Henry did.
>That's me debunking the claim made by the Spaniard that they were a "quality defense"
Again, so fucking what? They were quality in the Champions League and it's the Champions League that we're discussing.
>>67105370
>Everyone
Literally where? Are you so mentally challenged that you think of yourself as multiple people you mouth breathing faggot?
>>67105384
he wasnt
>muhlepel
>>67105367
Jesus. Just because he's a massive douche, an incredible mong, an absolutely retarded troglodyte, doesn't mean he's not an excellent footballer.
The best striker of the past 10 years is Wayne Rooney.
3rd best player in the world overall too, after Messi and Ronaldo.
>>67105423
>being this mad for getting called out on his fedora tier knowledge of the sport
>le contrarian euphoric autist
>>67105430
Yes it does.
Especially when you cost your club and country with lengthy bans. On multiple occasions.
>>67105447
Please just rope yourself tonight. You'll be making the people who have the misfortune of interacting with you very happy.
>>67105430
attitude is 33.3% of what makes a footballer f.a.m
mindset
physical
ability
the holy trinity
>>67105422
>which was 10x more impressive
Utter sides, you honestly don't recall anything, that defense was far from stellar and had lots of holes in it that Madrid and Juve failed to exploit mostly cause of choking from their part.
>It's the CL we're discussing
Yes, and that defense wasn't quality. David Luiz isn't a quality defender just cause Chelsea won the Champions League. You're missing the pivotal argument here, stop being so reliant on stats, they don't always tell the whole story in football. This is the equivalent of muh possession.
An African nation will win a WC before England wins another imo.
>>67105482
You must be one of those fags who think Maradona should not be rated so high because of his hand-of-god thing
>and yet I think you're the same anon who sucks Henry's dick
>>67105550
>Anyone that saw Henry play knows he was absolutely miles ahead of Suarez.
Agreed. Suarez imo is just about the same level as Aguero who for sure would be putting up the same numbers this season if not more if he'd been the one going to Barca. Aguero doesn't bite people too.
>>67105510
>that defense wasn't quality
>7 games
>6 clean sheets
>first goals conceded in the final 15 minutes of the final after down to 10 men and faced with Ronaldinho/Eto'o/Iniesta
>dude it was all henry lmao
Since you remember that tournament so well you should probably also recall Henry missing sitter after sitter in said final
If Henry was truly goat he'd have won a CL with Arsenal.
>>67105472
>being an assblasted contrarian faggot who tries to pass himself off as knowledgeable
lmao -tips-
>>67105482
Yes, and Suarez has all of those qualities. He gives absolutely everything for his team, always. That's not an excuse for being an idiot, but he's still extremely good.
>>67105616
>Henry missing sitter after sitter
You don't know what a sitter is, and Henry maybe got 3 chances that entire game
>>67105578
A one-off handball isn't a big deal.
Suarez, Henry, Maradona.
So what?
It's when that cheating mentality is drilled into you and you do it over and over again. And then you perform unspeakably filthy acts like biting opponents and calling them niggers and do it more than once, keep doing it throughout your career.
That's totally unacceptable and indicative of a shitty mindset.
So before we even start comparing them as footballers on the pitch, Suarez is already lost at least 30% of his overall score and therefore cannot be named in any discussion or debate.
QED.
>>67105659
Not disagreeing with you there familia.
He's extremely good, but so are circa 20-30 footballers who have played in his position.
i.e. he's good but not great
>>67105640
You type like you have autism
Suarez >>>> Henry, even Thierry has acknowledged this, delusional lelpl fags
>>67105708
Henry choked dude. Literally everyone back then was criticizing Henry.
>>67105820
It's called nostalgia from kids who didn't really watch back then so they romanticize it all
It was a nice discussion Norway and France.
>>67105923
fuck off
>>67105987
Only after your kill yourself.
>>67105820
>Literally everyone back then was criticizing Henry.
Proof? You and your nan don't count. People were upset with the ref, and Lehman.
>>67106042
>with the ref
Why? For making the correct decision in sending off Lehman?
>>67105923
Thank you, fat-ass.
>>67106145
it's only a good call when it favors the result these hypocrites want
kek Suarez isn't better than R9 or even Henry. It's just easier to stat pad these days.
>>67104516
>This is why the arguments about Suarez are bullshit and why Torres and Henry easily bested him in the PL.
I don't remember that season when Henry unironically scored 31 fucking goals. This is Messi/Ronaldo tier. Actually the last time someone managed to score that much it was Ronaldo in 07/08 with Manure.
And saying Torres was anything but shit in the PL is ridiculous. He played in a stacked team with Xabi Alonso, prime Gerrard, prime Kuyt, prime Mascherano, Carragher, Arbeloa and such. Yet his only good season he scored 24 tap-ins. Not that much impressive considering Agüero, Drogba, Rooney and some other overrated pussies did better.
>>67113161
It's hip to hate MSN
>>67102380
>martial
LOL
2010 was and will continue to be the worst World Cup simply because we allowed niggers and their vuvuzelas to attend it
anyone playing with Messi looks good
it's easy to get a 1v1 off his passes or for him to draw 2-3 people and then find you somehow while being swarmed, he has the vision of a fucking mutant
that being said, Messi has also been giving every scoring opportunity to suarez, including penalties.
but if you actually watch the games, it takes about 5-6 tries for suarez to even score.
he misses sitters all the time and he's been disappearing in big games (not as much as neymar though).
needless to say, Torres prime was better than Suarez, as was Forlan prime.
anyone who thinks Suarez is a top 5 forward of all time is absolutely delusional.
>>67113200
And it's rational to hate anyone who thinks, for fuck's sake, that >le missing open goals man and Henry were better than the best striker in the history.
We could have a debate talking about Suarez and Fatnaldo maybe, but that's pretty much it. The fat fuck injured himself and became a tap-in scorer for Madrid. Just check a YT comp of Suarez goals for Liverpool and Barça, he almost NEVER scores tap-ins.
>>67113327
>he's been disappearing in big games
You're a literal retard
>2 goals away vs City in the CL ro16
>2 goals away vs PSG in the CL QF
>2 assists away vs Bayern in the CL SF
>the winning goal vs Juve in the CL final
>the winning goal in La Liga decider vs Real
>2 goals in top of the table clash vs Real
>the goal that currently decides the La Liga race vs Atletico
>8 goals and 2 assists in 11 CL knockout games
>3 goals and 1 assist in 4 El Clasicos
>4 goals and 3 assists in 7 games vs Atletico
>>67097063
Puma Carranza
>>67113327
>it takes about 5-6 tries for suarez to even score
I've been seeing this meme thrown around lately so let's check out conversion % of some top goalscorers in the elite leagues
Suarez - 26.8%
Benzema - 25.3%
Griezmann - 22.9%
Mueller - 22.3%
Vardy - 21.1%
Aubameyang - 20.9%
Aguero - 20.9%
Lewandowski - 18.7%
Higuain - 17.6%
Lukaku - 17.0%
Kane - 16.7%
Ronaldo - 14.2%
>>67097153
Why do we always underrated players currently playing and dick ride all the legends like they're all other worldly and unreachable? Do our crop have to retire first before we rate them accordingly? Biscuits hasn't accomplished any less and is no less equipped than those players, shame he's in the shadow of flashier midfielders and the literal GOAT
>>67114107
You have to wait until they retire for them to be properly rated in a historical context. There's too much emotions and personal likes/dislikes involved during their careers.
20 years from now Messi will be recognised as an almost unanimous GOAT, CR7 will be considered a top 10 all time player by almost everyone, Busquets will be universally rated as a top 3 DM etc etc
>>67090695
Valdes was always dogshit. He only got to play for Barcelona because Real Madrid had their own home-grown goalkeeper. He got out of Barca and he finally got hired in Liege. Fucking Liege.
PS. They now have Ter Steigen, which doesn't exactly help.
>>67114698
Forgot to add he was never even 2nd choice in Spain. It was Casillas, Reina, Valdes... Until De Gea happened, then Valdes became 4th.
>>67114296
And then there's this Suarez hate. He almost carried a team that finished 7th before him and 7th after him to a league title. His stats are incredible and he set up teammates as well as scoring and they dont even tell the full story. His stats legit underrated his season and considering the goals he scored, many of which were spectacular individual displays, as well as the fact that he was the beating heart of the teams attack and undoubtedly carried Sturridge and Sterling, makes his season there go down as one of the greatest individual performances over a season in the leagues history.
He didn't have a stacked team like Henry, Drogba, Rooney, Ronaldo, Aguero, who all have teams that could probably still win leagues without him, or at least not end up 7th, and that unfortunately is why he doesn't have the silverware they do. He's also extremely unlikable so it's easy and almost automatic to underrate him. And don't even get started on his record for his country, he's already their all time top scorer.
Again he has to retire to be fairly credited it seems. He probably isnt the best strike every but hes easily the best since fat Ronaldo or Henry.
>>67114296
>CR7 will be considered a top 10 all time player by almost everyone
By almost everyone who thinks scoring tap-ins and donalties against Malmö, Getafe, Espanyol and Wolfsburg is something big yeah
>>67093442
Prime Eto'o was instrumental in consecutive treble winning sides. Drogba was never on his level
>>67114813
>And don't even get started on his record for his country, he's already their all time top scorer
So what ? I agree that Suarez is the best striker ever but these stats don't mean shit. Villa and Torres became top 3 all time top scorers in Spain because they stat-padded against Tahiti and Azerbaijan. It doesn't mean shit.
>>67114929
There are no Azerbaijans in South American qualifiers and Suarez actually won a trophy with Uruguay while being named player of the tournament.
That surely counts for something
>>67114929
2012 copa america
Winners: Uruguay
Best player of tournament: Suarez, 4 goals
That's one more trophy than either Messi or Ronaldo have carried their countries to.
>>67114816
>By almost everyone who thinks scoring tap-ins and donalties against Malmö, Getafe, Espanyol and Wolfsburg is something big yeah
>ronaldo scores tap ins and everyone says its easy
>Real Mad has to play a game without him
>no one is able to score "simple tap ins" any more
>no one gets into position in the box to receive the ball
>Van Nistelrooy ought to be considered one of the GOAT strikers
>David Beckham was legit world class despite his celebrity status
>Oliver Kahn is the GOAT GK
>Pirlo is one of the best players of all time
>the best tournament of the modern era was Euro 04
>Spurs will win the league next season, and Liverpool will make the CL
>>67115177
>the best tournament of the modern era was Euro 04
This is top class shitposting
>>67115405
fucking GREECE burst through and won
everyone else collapsed amazingly
>>67115405
It's unironically in my top 4 with WC 98, Euro 00 and WC 06
Not even the guy you replied to
>>67115439
Forgot about WC98 desu, that was probably the best.
>>67115177
>Spurs will win the league next season, and Liverpool will make the CL
Writing this genuinely makes me sad, but it'll be City. City will win it, spurs, pool and Chelsea will make the top 4, and some variation of West Ham, Arsenal, United and Leicester in the following positions. Stoke, Everton and Southampton might be in there as well.
>>67115589
This. City are easily the best EPL team as long as they remain relatively healthy. Guardiola will also improve the team despite /sp/ memes.
1. City
2. Chelsea
3. Spurs
4. Liverpool
5. Arsenal
6. United
7. Leicester
>>67097485
>goat final
>goat semi-final
>rooney getting sent off
Best world cup i've seen by far
>>67115439
>WC 06
It was a boring tournament and only remembered for one forced meme incident. '98 was the last iconic WC imo, everything after has been boring, EVEN 2014 when the media and pundits tried to shill it as some amazing tournament.
2010 was the worst football tournament I have ever seen
France 1998 was by far the best in my memory. THAT Bergkamp goal, THAT England exit, THAT final. Such a GOAT tournament
>>67097063
>give me a better dm
>here are some you can't use
>>67114107
Busquets is a system babby who's entire role is to intercept passes and then pass the ball 5 yards to the more attacking midfielder. The other DMs mentioned were more versatile in their skills and in the roles they could play, that's why they're rated higher.
>>67113584
>>67114047
So, no one willing to discuss this?
Shame, I guess we can go back to spamming >le misses chances and disappears in le big games memes then
Whats this frenchies problem with based Torres anyways? I dont get it.
>>67090695
none of these are unpopular though. Especially the Valdes and Busquets ones.
Here is an actual unpopular opinion:
Leicester are lucky and play shit football. Mahrez and Kante are incredibly overrated. If they were so good, how come nobody noticed them last year? If they didn't have Vardy, they probably would've been relegated this year.
>>67118211
Not just in YOUR memory. WC 98 was the best tournament of all times!
SUKER!!!
>>67119734
> Calls Torres a pile of shit in his prime
> not unpopular
Literally noone would agree with this retard.
Mario Gomez is one of the best strikers in the world and will be the topscorer of EURO 2016.
Anybody who shits on Busquets right now will suck his dick and say he's the best DM of all time when he's retired.
Khedira isn't as world-class as people think he is.
Messi might be the greatest player of all time but he disappears in some important matches. He should get more flack for that.
Pep Barca would absolutely blow the fuck out of current Barca, even though current Barca is the best team in the world right now. Luiz Enrique really isn't that good as a manager.
Zidane will go down in history like Maradona. Absolute legend as a player, but hilariously bad manager.
>>67119838
not in his prime but at Chelsea he was worthless. Except for the goal against Barcelona, which probably made it all worth it.
>>67119905
that goal was pointless
>>67119905
He also scored in the Europa League finals.
>>67119962
no it wasn't
>>67120021
it was.
>>67093773
who asked for your opinion dimitrov?
>>67119734
>Leicester are lucky and play shit football
You don't win the title over 38 games by being lucky. Also they play great counter attacking football. I bet you're one of those 'muh possession' faggots.
>Mahrez and Kante are incredibly overrated.
How exactly? They've been the two best players of the season.
>If they were so good, how come nobody noticed them last year?
Because Kante was playing in France, and Mahrez just hadn't peaked yet.
>If they didn't have Vardy, they probably would've been relegated this year.
Because they sure struggled to score goals in the last game when he was suspended :^)
If people had as much media coverage of Serie A as they do the Premiership the bants here would be far superior, despite Juvewinslol
Italy are illegitimate champions because Australia was going to beat them.
I'd rather MLS not grow because the majority of fans are cringeworthy and its general comfyness is being stripped one big player signing at a time.
>>67101892
He's probably a Forlan >>67101895
dick sucker
>>67090695
>-Luis Suarez is the best striker in the history
Not even close
>-Verratti is one of the best midfields in the world right now, will probably be the very best in a few years
He's good, yeah
>-Pirlo and Gerrard are the most overrated players of the 21st century
Actually agree with this one. Gerrard is obviously overrated, and Pirlo was class on his day but massively overrated for sure
>-Xavi wasn't really good apart from passes
His role was literally just passing though, he didn't need to be good at anything else. He was good enough at passing alone that he was easily one of the best midfielders in history
>-Drogba was barely better than your average striker
Drogba was absolutely unplayable from 2006-2010, awful opinion mate
>-Valdes was dogshit
>unpopular
>-WC 2006 was the most boring WC I have seen (I saw 1994, 1998, 2002, 2006, 2010 & 2014)
2010 was far worse
>-Torres was a walking pile of shit even in his prime, most overrated spanish player in the history of football
He was an extremely good finisher in his prime, watch a montage of all his goals for Liverpool and you'll understand how lethal he was. Better than current Aguero. And I despise Liverpool
>-Busquets is incredibly underrated. Best DM in history
Makelele
>-Carrick never got the fame he deserved. He was / still is actually better than Xavi
Top kek
>>67113355
>Ronaldo became a tap-in scorer
Thank you for confirming you never actually bothered to watch Ronaldo play after Inter.
>>67114698
Valdes had some blunders (less than many people give him today) but the way he was part of his team's system... I dunno a lot of GK who could have done it.
>>67133111
>Who is Neuer
The US will be a good soccer nation by 2030.
WC 2002 was the GOAT
