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Change the thread title to Eternal 4th Thread please.
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>Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger to BBC Sport: "It is very difficult, we had a lot of possession but did not make enough of it.
>"We lacked a change of pace, sharpness, they defended well. We put a lot of effort in but came out with a frustrating result. It is hard to accept, the competition goes on and we focus on the next one.
>"I don't know how it works mathematically but we are too disappointed to think about the league, we have to think about the Champions League and fight to be in the Champions League.
>"We have another home game on Thursday night and had to prepare for that.
>"On their goal, it did not look unstoppable, maybe the shot surprised him, but we maybe should have stopped the shot. It is difficult to blame individuals."
He said some other shit about being unlucky and lacking confidence on Sky Sports too
No amount of "Wenger out" will make Wenger actually leave.
I just wanted St Totteringham's Day to come this year
ANOTHA ONE AND ANOTHA ONE
final digit is Arsenal's finishing position this year
Wenger out please
>that /a/BA feel
>>66902221
This club is pathetic.
>Joe Wedgewood: Who do these Arsenal fans think can come in and do a better job than Wenger?
FUCK YOU JOE
>Arsenal v West Brom
D
>Sunderland v Arsenal
L
>Arsenal v Norwich
W
>Man City v Arsenal
L
>Arsenal v Aston Villa
W
>>66902256
At the very least I think and hope that it is his last contract with the club.
>>66902287
accurate
>>66902287
WWWDW
Arsenelickers out
>>66902287
You guys will batter Brom and I'd normally say beat City but all of a sudden City have turned it up
Good luck finishing 4th /arse/
>72% possession
>68% of passes in opposition half
>44 touches in opposition area
>10 corners
>21 shots
>6 shots on target
wew
>>66902285
Literally anybody
>£140k/week
>implying anyone would buy him
>implying the best one can hope isn't to loan him while paying 2/3rds of his wages
>Juve, Bayern or Barca are going to come calling for Ozil this summer
book it
>arsenal wins
ultra optimistic
>arsenal loses
ultra pessimistic
get a grip retards
desu I'd take Cech back at Chelsea, you can have Courshit instead
We don't deserve players like Ozil and Iwobi and Sanchez, they will move on this summer deservedly and be playing in champions league finals/semi finals next season. I hope one of them wins it, it'll be nice to see an ex Arsenal player win it
>>66902437
deal
>4 - Adebayor has had a hand if four goals in his last four PL apps against Arsenal at the Emirates (2 goals, 2 assists). Familiar.
who /not looking forward to next season/
>mfw fell for Arsene lies
mfw Spurs wil ACTUALLY finish above Arsenal for once
>>66902499
Remember when it was supposed to be >our year?
>>66902499
youll change your mind once they sign higuain and benzema mate
not
hahahahahaha
>>66902499
>Conte at revitalized Chelsea
>Pep at revitalized City
>Klopp at revitalized Liverpoop
>Mourinho at revitalized Manure
>Tottenham keeping same young squad and probably making a few additions
Next year will finally be the season we're out of the CL.
thanks for making sure we don't go through that CL qualifying shit, you guys are pros at that anyway
>>66902565
You forgot West Ham too
Liverpool - Klopp building his own team/meme magic
United - mourinho coming in
City - pep coming in
Chelsea - conte coming in, good tactical manager and a squad rebuild
How are we going to compete with this next year? Because we will do the same thing we do every transfer window which is nothing. I hope we sell Ozil & Sanchez, promote the youth and just take a few mid table seasons do we don't embarrass ourselves next year
Iwobi deserves a better club, can see maybe juve or atletico taking him
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/03/petr-cech-suffers-calf-injury-and-will-miss-spurs-derby---but-ar/
>3 March 2016
>Petr Cech suffers calf injury and will miss Spurs derby - but Arsene Wenger tells fans 'I completely trust Ospina'
>>66902556
remember when we won the treble before the season even started?
>>66902263
Wenger is too stubborn to listen to Wenger Outs. By wanting Wenger out, one shall only achieve Wenger In.
Remember when Thierry Henry used to wear the number 14 shirt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
Arsenal anthem
Remember "Chambers can play DM"?
>>66902221
Specialist in failure!!!
http://strawpoll.me/7399890
Bellerin is shit
Tottenham have more European trophies than Arsenal
>Simeone: 3 pts off Barca, CL semi-finals, £273m squad.
>Wenger: 13 pts off Leicester, 6x Last 16 exits, £330m squad.
>>66902499
Kinda want us to get knocked out of CL so Wenger can fuck off.
Elneny is making Coquelin look bad.
>>66902742
Neither of them have been the issue desu.
>>66902730
People need to stop comparing Wenger to Simeone. It's like comparing Welbeck to Suarez.
>>66902773
>Wenger vs Simeone
>shit manager vs good manager
>Welbz vs Suarez
>shit player vs good player
I don't see the issue here.
>>66902808
There is no comparison. We know Simeone is better.
>>66902762
Elneny is a very average crab passer with a decent engine who doesn't really offer the team anything.
Coq feels the need to push forward more and try to influence the play because Elneny can't, and those are definitely not Coq's strengths so he ends up looking bad.
He looked world class next to Cazorla because he only had to play to his strengths. But now Coquelin is looking very average too.
>>66902578
Chelsea, City and Man U all have a massive job on their hands, big rebuilds needed and they can always go horribly wrong. Chelsea have it especially hard as they seem to need 5-6 first team players.
Arsenal's squad is in much better shape.
>>66902556
Jesus fuck that line is ridiculously high
>>66902499
I think most teams that aren't Leicester and Spurs just wants this premier league season over.
Chelsea, City, Utd, Arsenal probably all see this as a season to forget (unless City get a Champions League final that is).
I'm tired of coming in here and laughing at you every week.now I just feel pity.
>>66902855
You can have a world class squad, but with Wenger around it's equal to nothing
>tfw even if >we add the free 12 points that Cech is worth Arsenal would not be top.
>>66902926
Thank you, we need help.
>Giroud has 2 goals in his last 18 appearances for Arsenal
Not trying to defend him, that's a terrible record, but it's sad that he won't end his goal drought because he's limited to 15 minutes off the bench and then having no service when he comes on.
Looking forward to watching the day the roadman core celebrates the title with Simeone the roadman manager like this.
https://www.keek.com/keek/IRCAbab
So what happens if City win the CL and Liverpool the EL?
>>66902932
It's not a world class squad. No player on Arsenal gets on over anyone at Juve, Buyern, Barca or RM you deluded 4rsrnal faggot
>>66903023
>niggers
>>66903046
nothing, England have 5 teams in the CL
>>66903013
they've almost all been off the bench
>>66903023
Would be GOAT but only Iwobi, Ak, and Ainsely stand a chance at making it. The others like O'Connor, Bola, etc are shit
>>66902499
If Wenger stays for another season, i'm not going to bother following us until he leaves. I'm a wob since 2011, i'm tired of this shit.
Doesn«t matter what players he signs, we could sign the msn trio for all i care. They will all be wengerized with his loser mentality and outdated tactics.
I'm fucking done. Always the same thing. I know how the next is going to be: We will start very poorly. In january we start to play awesome football just in time to finish in the top4.
>>66903051
I wouldn't call Arsenal's squad world class but it's better than the sum of it's parts.
It would only need one or two good buys to take it to the next step.
>Arsenal
>Spending lots on a big signing
I know, I know...
>>66903073
>le edgy /b/turd man
>>66903083
Arsenal are 2 tiers below "world class"
>>66903116
>only /b/ realises how utterly ridiculous niggers look
nah
remember when arsenal weren't a shit joke of a club? i can but it's vague. something about being invincibles even though they lost games and weren't really invincible. cloudy cos it's so long ago tbph
Arsenal have no world class players
If they were world class they wouldn't be at Arsenal
>>66903163
Good post, well worth typing that out.
Arsene Wenger doesn't care about Arsenal.
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/status/721758200626880512
lmao
>>66903194
>https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/status/721758200626880512
Jack no ;_;
>>66902248
will this ever not be hilarious? No. The Answer is no. Always no.
>>66902266
I was so convinced they would get at least 2nd this season
So, we're 4th now?
We're actually 4th and United might overtake us by the end of the season. This season couldn't have taken a more disastrous turn.
Imagine going to every game
>tfw I was wondering if Gazidis could actually sack Wenger
>then I remembered Wenger was one of the guys who interviewed him for the fucking job
>>66903307
Imagine going to any game
>Arsecucks
Every fucking year...
>tfw ABA, ABU and ABC
what a time to be alive lads
>>66903194
WAT
>>66903439
and he's not going anywhere any time soon
>>66902390
>scored 1, conceded 1.
Only statistic that matters, desu.
>>66903194
What did it say?
Imagine the meltdown here if Spurs win the title
>>66903747
It was this image but with the Arsenal badge over the Utd one. Still used the United trinity statue in the image and all.
>>66903747
https://twitter.com/TeleFootball/status/721771980748431362
>>66903837
poor lad
Why should we even bother watching this shit anymore? Nothings ever going to change until Wenger leaves.
>>66903857
Wouldn't except him to know what Utd's statue looks like 2bh. I didn't have a clue
serious question lads, who (available) would you rather have over Wenger?
>moyes
>>66903916
*expect
>>66903929
brenny
>>66903929
Bielsa
Well I'm finally at the point where instead of drinking and being an Arsenal fan I'm drinking because I'm an Arsenal fan.
>>66903929
Koeman or Eddie Howe.
>>66903427
Feels pretty good, long may it continue
>>66903194
Best reply: That's the Best, Charlton and Law statue you glass-legged nonce.
>>66903929
coming from a neutral perspective, you could go for flores (watford manager) or get henry or bergkamp to take a shot. You're doomed either way tbqh
>>66903929
Koeman or Bielsa
>>66902425
>Its just good bit of business
Arsenal fans last season said that to justify his wages.
Congratulations!
>>66904762
thanks man, means a lot
>>66902256
>It is difficult to blame individuals.
No it isn't, fuck off Wenger.
Who can stop us next season?
>>66903929
Koeman, Howe, Frank de Boer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsuh_1In2eM
>>66905125
Delete this. How was he supposed to know what Utd statues look like?
>>66904003
>>66905446
Do you reckon Eddie's ready though?
>>66902266
This is still better than Roma. They are truly the cucks of european football.
>>66903929
ê¹€ì •í›ˆ or John Toshak
>>66905494
He's only seen them at least once a year every year for the last 4 years.
>>66905497
You can never tell. But I'd rather gamble on him and he gets that big club experience he needs with us rather than hoping we can get him after he's been more successful at another club.
Wouldn't take him over Koeman though
>>66905446
Yes. He's keeping Bournemouth in comfortably, having lost defender Mings, midfielder Gradel and star-striker Wilson with knee injuries.
Also his teams play great football. We better do it before a team like Everton does it.
>>66903929
pellegrini
owen coyle
david moyes
roberto martinez
garry monk
eddie howe
I'd rather a statue of wenger manage over the old cunt at this point
https://streamable.com/plqy
>Czech goalkeeping
what is he trying to imply
>>66905621
>his teams play great football
Disagree desu. They play good stuff sometimes but when they play with one upfront they leave the striker isolated too much and it's hard for them to build attacks. I watched all of Afobe's first few games for them and he was pretty much just a poacher when played on his own. It's fine when they play with two strikers though.
That said, he'd be able to create his ideal team with the funds he'd have at Arsenal so I'm sure he'd manage to improve his style.
Will any AKBs remain after the season in which Lester win the league and Spurs finish above >us?
>>66905907
yes
SIMEONE WHEN?
>>66905907
I have yet to see a reasonable arguement as to why Wenger should continue to be Arsenal manager
>>66905897
Oh, I thought their positonal play was excellent when I've usually watched them. It was more so in the Championship desu.
>>66905954
Never. Why the fuck would he join us?
He'll be at Atletico at least until his contract runs out and then he'll go to Inter Milan.
if they don't get rid of wenger this summer and at least attempt to get Simeone in, and he eventually ends up at bayern, or juventus or whoever, i will be fucking fuming.
it will be absolutely unforgivable
>>66906114
why wouldn't he?
wenger is on an astronomical wage. if the board offered him similar wages then why wouldn't he? hasn't he always said in the past he'd like to manage in england.
even if he says no, they have to at least reach out and ask him. it will be criminal if they don't.
>>66905571
>implying wilshere has played that many games
>>66906106
I never watched them in the Championship so you're probably right. I was just going off the 8 or so times I've watched them this season.
I'd love to have an English manager desu
>>66905621
>>66905897
The issue with Howe and Bournemouth is that they're very stubborn in their style of play.
Howe got them playing fast attacking football that got them promoted relatively easily and they've stuck to that formula in the Premiership. They haven't adapted their style to match the league's intensity, they've just kept rolling with it.
And while I suppose it's doing well for them, it'll be frustrating to have a manager who may not change his style of football in slumps and patches of poor form, which are definitely gonna happen when Wenger goes as we will go through a couple seasons of rebuilding.
>>66906166
he just wanted to conceal the empty seats :^)
>>66906252
howe looks like a twat though
This question is only for british long life fans: how good is Alexis? would you say he is one of the key players in Arsenal?
>>66906120
>>66906219
Don't think he's bothered with the money at all desu. Otherwise he would've taken the Chelsea job which he was definitely offered.
He wants to manage Atletico, Inter, and Lazio. That's his plan.
>>66906219
>why wouldn't he?
I just told you why he wouldn't. He said recently that when he leaves Atletico he wants to go to Inter.
I agree that we have to at least attempt to get him though. But he doesn't speak English and that's vital for a manager like him. We can't have him shouting at the team in Spanish then having to rely on Arteta to translate it and then him calmly telling the players what to do.
>>66906219
Because he's building something special with Atletico, and it's nowhere close to completion
>>66906317
Most people do m8
>>66906166
I fucking hate the Emirates.
Such a fucking gorgeous piece of architecture all for nothing. The ticket prices are astronomical and it just leads to empty seats and plastic wankers like this attending the matches.
We have one of the biggest stadiums in the country and arguably the worst atmosphere in the country. It's embarrassing.
At least our away fans are loud, but our home fans are absolutely disgraceful.
Arsenal are going to wind up with Allegri
>>66906435
I'd take him
>>66906317
I think he looks like a nice lad desu.
But either way you could argue that we need a twat, someone who's willing to shout at the players on the pitch and give them a kick up the arse when they're not playing well.
Not an old man who sits in his seat all match long.
>>66906341
>We can't have him shouting at the team in Spanish then having to rely on Arteta to translate it and then him calmly telling the players what to do.
that would be hilarious
>debating arsenal's next manager
>implying wenger doesn't have at least 5 years left in him
>>66906347
He's not going to get any closer.
Greaseman will join up with Mourinho this summer.
Koke is on his way to bigger and better things too.
Costa to Chelsea is just another example. They were lucky it didn't destroy the team too much but this time they won't be so lucky.
It's over. They had a good run but it's done. Now it's time for him to move to another club and start a fresh.
>>66906272
You could however go through life wanting to play in a certain way and make alterations along the way, none too drastic in terms of playing style though.
Of course, one of Wenger's main problems is being unable to adapt to opponents. And it's hard to predict how Howe will be in an Arsenal-like enviroment. But who knows, maybe he'll be able to build a very good team at Arsenal. I definitely think he'll be one of the more interesting managers to follow in the next couple of seasons, Bournemouth loves him, so they won't hastily sack him like Swansea did Monk if things went south for whatever reason.
>>66906252
Well, they've had some very bad games, so yeah. About an English manager, I think it'd have some very nice advantages, especially seeing how Arsenal would be the only big club with one. Stuff like that makes you somewhat more likeable in the media and maybe help you with refs.
>>66906538
>Bournemouth loves him, so they won't hastily sack him like Swansea did Monk if things went south for whatever reason.
Swansea loved Monk too. Their stories are very similar desu. Easily comparable.
>>66906323
He was our key player last season, and even though he's been shit this season he's definitely still one of our key players. Nowhere near world class but he's still a good player.
Personally, I hate the way he plays though and wouldn't be sad if he left.
>>66906599
Yeah, when I typed it, I thought about it again. For some reason, forgot to add to it.
Monk was mostly good for them as a player though and took over after Swansea already got promoted and won the league cup under other managers. The difference is that Howe brought them up from League Two as the manager. But I won't rule anything out, never thought Monk would get the sack too, but he did.
>>66905907
see to be honest, i don't see any reason why this leicester team wouldn't have challenged for the title in any other season. they are a really, really good team. its actually pretty disrespectful to them to say arsenal should take it as a given to finish above them.
i dont say that in defence of wenger btw, he should be sacked in the summer 100%.
>>66906530
>Costa to Chelsea is just another example. They were lucky it didn't destroy the team too much but this time they won't be so lucky.
Atletico have had great strikers literally every year and have always managed to replace them. Aguero, Torres, Forlan, Falcao, Costa, Greezman, etc
You can't say that be able to do well without Costa is down to luck.
And he definitely doesn't need to start fresh. Why would he when he's creating a period of sustained success for the club?
>>66906717
leicester are doping it up lad
have been since middle of last season under pearson
>Arsenal retards still wanting Wenger fired
LMFAO
Stupid fucks. He's the best thing to ever happen to your miserable little club. He literally built that new stadium single-handed. Literally made it out of plastic himself.
You stupid cunts should be building a statue of him or naming the stadium after him, not calling for his head.
What do you think? That you should be a title-challenging team? LMFAAAAAAOOOOO. Get a grip you deluded fucks. You're a 8th-3rd club AT BEST. You're lucky to even be in the CL at all.
Get over it.
Spurs are at least as big as Arsenal. You don't see their fans complaining about 3rd-8th place finishes, do you? Same applies to West Ham with their new stadium there is nothing between them and Arsenal.
THAT is your level. You are not a Barcelona, Bayern Munich, Manchester United or a Liverpool. You are a Spurs or a West Ham, now fuck off.
>supporting Arsenal
> expecting anything other than mediocrity
If you wanted trophies and success why did you chose to support Arsenal? Why not one of the big boys?
>Barcelona trying their best Arsenal impression
How flattering
>>66906761
wouldn't be surprised desu, but the point still stands in my opinion. they are a great team, and just because arsenal, man city, chelsea etc are all shite this season it doesn't really detract from the quality they've shown this season.
>>66906798
In less than ten years before Wenger had joined the club, Arsenal had won the league twice, won the FA Cup and league cup a couple of times, and also won a European trophy (albeit a shit one), something Wenger hasn't managed in 20 years. People act as if Arsenal were like Millwall or something before he took over.
>>66906996
Nah that European trophy isn't worth mentioning, Spurs have more trophys in Europe than Arsenal
>>66906773
people say liverpool fans are deluded
but arsenal fans are actually FAR FAR more deluded because of this fact
liverpool are actually a big club and among europe's elite
arsenal are a big club compared to the rest in london, but not an elite club, wenger has had them punching above their weight for a while now
whereas 4th is failure to a club like barca, liverpool, united, bayern, madrid etc. 4th is actually a great achievement for arsenal which would be on a par with winning a title for the other clubs
>>66906404
>plastic wankers like this attending the matches.
It was a joke mate. Pipe down.
>>66907102
You're missing the point. It's not that we think we're on the same level as Barca, it's that we want to be.
>>66907078
Found the kike
>all these mongos spouting nonsense about the size of the club
it's literally irrelevant you thick cunts. the simple fact of the matter is that Arsenal have an astromical wage budget that any good manager should be able to put to use a lot better than wenger does. the last 4-5 years have been a massive underachivement in relation to the money spent on wages.
he is no longer the right man for the job and simpls has to go.
Soon. (Hopefully)
In case anyone feels like getting any hopes up or getting angry when the same exact thing happens next season, just remember that wenger already pretty much argued that there wouldn't be any signings and the season will follow the same shambolic style except I expect arsenal to finish lower than 4th for sure due to other clubs improving while arsenal continue their digression under wenger.
>>66907330
and? i'm sure every club wants to be on that level, but you don't see west ham trying to sack their manager because he got them to 5th/6th/7th
you know why? because they aren't big clubs either. they KNOW their level.
United on the other hand might sack van Gaal and have sacked Moyes because they ARE on the level of Barcelona, Madrid, Bayern and those managers have the club punching BELOW their weight
so yeah, you're missing the point
Wenger would rather finish 4th every season than finish 1st then 5th
How can anyone see this is a problem
>>66907395
Arsenal's wage budget is nowhere near United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea's and is more comparable to Spurs.
Spurs are having a one-off fluke season, so don't even say it.
Did Ty and Claude kill themselves after the match?
>>66906530
you need to stop believing the shit you read in the papers
Next you'll tell me Ox is on the way out
>>66907272
It's true though innit.
>>66907605
>one off fluke season
They could have done the double over >>us this season and have arguable a better XI than Arsenal. Add that to the fact that Poch has them playing better than ever and don't expect them to just fall off next season. Chelsea, City, Man Utd, Liverpool, and Spurs will all improve next season while Arsenal continue to flounder under Wenger. He will leave unceremoniously after continuing to stay well past his usefulness and continue to ruin whatever "legacy" he ever had.
>>66907605
well this is wrong
>>66907605
Arsenal is spending 2 million less on wages than Manchester City this season.
>>66907724
No mate.
>>66907686
>Next you'll tell me Ox is on the way out
Ox and Walcott rumours are at an all time high, so I can't help but get a little hopeful
>>66907739
>Walcott, Giroud, Ramsey, and Welbeck collecting the wages they do
It's fucking criminal. Arsenal needs a violent protest from fans against the absurd ticket prices too. Maybe storm the next offseason board announcement event.
embarrassing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWXbxvSL1xs
>>66907605
Spurs sent 80m less than arsenal on wages
Leicester are 19th on the wage bill table
How does Wengers gizz taste you piece of shit
>>66907802
>"Hi!"
kek what the fuck robbie
>>66907796
Won't happen sadly
If Wenger had anything more than a single digit IQ he'd have sold the cunts ages ago
Campbell has done more than Ox despite a season of the bench and he's hardly a WC player anyway
>>66905454
>Nasri wearing a France shirt
>>66907686
I don't even read papers or listen to any of that twitter shit.
I'm experienced enough and intelligent enough to see that Atletico (although doing very well in the past 2-3 years) are a small club destined to be forever 3rd-5th (alongside Valencia and Villareal) in Spain and that's just the way life is.
They are essentially, the Spanish Spurs or the Spanish Everton.
People need to stop with this delusional "BUT LOOK HOW WELL KANE IS DOING AT SPURS, HE WON'T LEAVE THEM!!!" and "BUT LOOK HOW WELL ATHLETICO ARE DOING!!! THEY ARE THE CL WINNERS WHY WOULD ANYONE LEAVE THAT?"
Football is just like any other job. A more prestigious company comes along and offers you more money, what do you do? Say no thanks? Do you fuck.
Nobody cares about building legacies
Nobody cares about exciting projects
It's all about money.
Look at fucking Pep Guardiola, the so called football hipster. HE'S SIGNING FOR SHITTY.
There's a natural order to things. There is a natural food chain. These things won't change for hundreds of years. Get used to it.
van Persie will always choose United over Arsenal
Ox will always choose Arsenal over Spurs
Man like Claude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jp7KHqCShyw
>>66907727
Maybe you have a short memory, but Spurs were in the CL beating the likes of Inter Milan 4-0.
Flash in the pan.
>>66908032
>tfw Claude is a literal cuck
>>66907605
>Arsenal's wage budget is nowhere near United, Liverpool, City and Chelsea's and is more comparable to Spurs.
it's bigger than Liverpools and Tottenhams quite easily and is comparable to United, Chelsea and City. it isn't anywhere near small enough in comparison to those clubs to justify how badly they've underachived when compared to those clubs.
you'd be surprised at the figures wengers throws at absolute dogshite players. andre santos was on 60k+.
>>66907802
I literally sit dead in front of Robbie at Arsenal. He's a nice bloke, fucking huge.
>>66907739
No, it's not.
I know for a fact that Yaya, Aguero, Silva, de Bruyne and Sterling are all being paid more than £300k per week.
Arsenal don't have a single player on that.
£150k is the new 30k people need to wake up and get with the times.
£150k a week is not an incredible amount of money for a decent first-team player to earn.
Yfw Wenger and Martinez will have the same amount of major trophies in the last 10 years come the end of the season yet idiots will still defend them
>>66908024
Wish Ox had picked spurs. Useless fucking cunt. Southampton have schooled Arsenal with transfers.
>>66908079
Good for them. Still doesn't mean they don't have a greater upside than Arsenal. In fact, out of most of the top teams in the EPL, Arsenal have the biggest downside next season because the same wank manager with the same wank ideas will not sign anyone to improve the squad while everyone else will improve.
>>66908176
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/12089693/Chelseas-wage-bill-rises-above-Manchester-Citys-to-become-the-highest-in-the-Premier-League.html
>>66908178
The things Martinez says in interviews reminds me of Wenger desu
>>66907790
Our atmosphere is absolutely terrible lad everyone knows this.
Emirates is a library. It's depressing.
>>66908176
Prove it cunt
>>66908178
They are both overrated shit. >>66908079
Doesn't change the fact they have made it further than Wenger's cucks FC in the recent past.
>>66908176
this
memphis depay gets 120k and he's considered "youth"
Just lost all respect for Claude lads. Can't support the guy anymore
>>66908176
>I know for a fact that Yaya, Aguero, Silva, de Bruyne and Sterling are all being paid more than £300k per week.
>>66907802
Wait what the fuck was that handsign at the end supposed to mean.
>>66908298
Exactly
Yet we are paying him 8m a year and allowing him to continue unanswered
>>66908356
MAN LIKE ROBBIE
>>66908183
You do realise football is more than "next season" right?
Who fucking cares?
I'm talking next 10-20 years. Spurs will float away into obscurity. Arsenal will stay 4th (if Wenger stays) and United/Chelsea will win league titles again.
>>66908324
what did he do?
>>66908176
That may well be the case, but the reason Arsenal's wage bill is so high is that they pay shitters big wages. Dogshit like Denilson was on 50k a week, where anywhere else he'd be lucky to get close to half of that.
>>66908173
Thank you.
I feel like I'm the only person around here who likes Robbie. Can't stand AFTV and the divas who go on there (aside from the loud African man I like him) but Robbie genuinely seems like such a decent guy.
>>66908374
Don't forget the highest ticket prices in the prem leading to a shit atmosphere that Wonga has the gall to criticize when his overpaid, mentally frail babies fuck up constantly due to their lame duck manager.
>>66908176
>I know for a fact that Yaya, Aguero, Silva, de Bruyne and Sterling are all being paid more than £300k per week.
you literally don't know that for a fact, so kindly wind your neck in pal.
wengers problem is that he likes to keep the variance in wages as low as possible for squad harmony reasons. which leads to dogshite squad players like gibbs on 90k, and means he's reluctant to splash out proper big money on world class players and have them earn considerably more than other members of the squad.
it't not a terrible model theoritically if it works, but it fucking doesn't for arsenal at all and it needs to change and he needs to go.
>>66908399
>"Why did he take Welbeck off? I though he was playing really well"
Great assist today, but he didn't do anything else as usual. I can't support Welbeck endorsers.
>>66908402
The same thing could be said about any club. Just pick some of their shit players and I'm sure you'll be surprised at their wages.
That's just football. This is not a specific issue to Arsenal.
The point is that Arsenal cannot compete with clubs that can offer £350k a week wages no matter who the manager is.
>>66908421
Don't most people like Robbie?
I don't even support Arsenal but their channel (just cause of Robbie) is much better than United or Liverpoos.
>>66908433
Highest ticket prices in Europe
Highest matchday revenue in Europe
CL football every year
Yet signs 1 player
>>66908032
the way he speaks, like he's the Prime Minister giving a sombre speech after a disaster, it's fucking infuriating. what a clueless self-important prick
>>66908421
>>66908173
AFTV POWER RANKINGS
1) Robbie
2) Kelechi
3) Claude
POWER GAP
4) WOBs
.
.
9001) AKBs
9000000001) Ty
>>66908472
Fuck the "squad harmony" bullshit. Wenger is a soft fucking cuck and has soft fucking players as a result. Fuck the "getting along and laughing for AFTV" bullshit, they need true leaders that will fucking dress players down for the shit they do. But wenger is LITERALLY afraid to have strong personalities in the locker room and is a cuck(like most french).
>>66908517
Oh, that's actually Welbeck bashing on a deeper level, I can respect that.
lol'd @ the assist though
>>66908519
>The point is that Arsenal cannot compete with clubs that can offer £350k a week wages no matter who the manager is
yes they could. all it would take is wenger to ditch his moronic stance on squad wages variance and stop paying 90k to rotation and backup players.
>>66908534
No one hates Robbie. They might laugh at him a bit because he looks funny but that's it. Pretty sure everyone thinks he's a nice guy
>>66908536
And has the gall to claim there was no qualiteee on the market. IN CASE ANYONE HAS FORGOTTEN, he has already started saying the same used up cliches about no signings this summer and he will allow the distraction of the Euros to prevent anyone being signed.
Arsenal are playing the best players they can attract to their club.
In fact, Ozil and Sanchez will be wanting out soon so you better start looking for replacements. Maybe get Mata in because Mourinho won't want him.
And yes, Mata will be on high wages, maybe even as much as £200k a week. But you'll have to suck it up and pay it because if you don't you'll have to get an even inferior player and so on.
Welcome to the cycle of life, fuckheads.
>>66908032
Oh my fucking god I can't stand this guy.
>>66908620
You're the Dutch lad that likes Welbeck yeah? Did that assist surprise you? I've never seen him do anything as good as that
>>66908658
and then
"we were looking at Martial, Payet, Kante, etc....."
But no quality on the market
>>66908663
No, we're playing the biggest names we can attract to our club.
We don't have to go all Man United and sign about 20 "big names" because look how well that works out.
We can bring good players to the club that aren't big names.
We don't have to sign some ex Barca or Madrid superstar player to win titles. Leicester are winning the league with lower league players. To win things, you need to put together a good football team, not just bring together a bunch of "good" players.
>>66908663
kek, no way we would sign mata
you're stuck with him
>>66908723
I am not even bothering to get excited for next season. I already know it will be the same or worse than this season. It's laughable that people can still defend wenger/the board/kroenke when they literally do the same things to ensure the club never progresses. I expect a 5-7th finish next season and will be impressed by anything better.
>>66908536
RANCHES
>>66908663
Yeah look at all the big names Leicester attracted
Where are they again?
>>66908706
Yeah, same guy. Not in a foul mood today though, so I won't mind people disliking Welbeck today like last time.
Mate, it was the most un-Welbeck thing I've seen from him. Looked like prime Sanogo for most of it, but that pass was better than anything Özil did all game. I rewatched it several times to bask in the rarity of it all.
>>66908797
>We can bring good players to the club that aren't big names.
Yeah, it's possible but a lot more difficult and it takes years and years of trial and error to get right.
So if that's your strategy, good luck, you won't be finishing in the top 7 for the next 3-4 years but maybe after that you have a shot. MAYBE.
Or you can go tried and tested, keep Wenger and play CL football every year while staying profitable and secure for the future.
>>66908620
How does Welbeck make an assist like the yet misplace passes all game?
>>66908853
>you will never buy a $700m ranch while every team you own flops
I hope Wonga doesn't die on the job because I want to read his autobiography.
I want to hear the reasons he coddled players like this, and signed players like that.I must know what he thought of his tenure in the past decade.
Hopefully he goes full Fergie with all the cuntness, exposing all the dirty stories his players thought he'd never tell due to player-manager confidentiality.
>>66908858
>Cites a 5000/1 example
>Thinks this is the norm
Fucking idiot.
If it was as straightforward as that everyone would do it.
>>66908929
Nah the sooner he is the sooner Arsenal can move on.
>>66908853
Fuck Kroenke, worst owner in sports.
>>66908901
I think it's easier. Get some scouts and find decent players who fit the system.
It works better than spending a bunch of money on a bunch of stars and expecting them to gel and win things.
That's not how football works.
the only thing worse than AKB's is the fucking mongos from other clubs who come on here spouting absolute shite about the size of the club and what fans expectations should be.
fucking infuriating.
>>66908929
Arsene Wenger is a pathological liar mate. There's no way you could trust his autobiography.
>>66908956
Ok If Leicester didnt have their run Spurs would be top
what players from Real and Barcelona did they sign?
Or Aletico in Spain?
Chatting shit
>>66908917
Same way Coutinho can hit several people from the 6th row out cold with his twats, but then score a 30yd blooter out of nowhere.
>>66909019
this
>>66909026
>It's just a coincidence that 90% of the time the top 3 biggest spenders win all the trophies
>Expect more than 1 signing in clear areas that the squad needs improvement
>Waaah we can't spend £150m every season like City, Chelsea and United
Why does asking more than 1 player mean we have to spend that much money
Why are AKBs so pathetic
Imagine if Kante was offered to sign for us over Leicester
Why wouldnt he pick Arsenal
>>66908956
But right now in football the big meme with the big clubs is to go about signing all the big name players for big money. Man United have done this for the past 2 seasons. So have Liverpool. Spurs did it a couple years before. So did QPR.
And none of them have been successful.
Sign all le players maymay doesn't work. There are good players out there that aren't completely unknown that are willing to join our club and would fit our system. We don't have to sign superstars.
>>66909034
but coutinho at least scores blooters on a fairly regular occasion.
i don't think welbeck has ever pulled off a pass of that quality and will never again. I thought it must have been Iwobi when I first saw it, because at least that kid might have it in his locker
>>66909034
tbf though coutinho can do that kind of thing on a semi-regular basis
that welbeck pass was a once in a lifetime thing like this goal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emosxCswvDg
>>66908993
You're delusional as fuck. Football is not FM and it's not as easy as you think.
Wenger is a literal genius compared to you and your stupid, uneducated personal opinion.
>>66909124
Because Leicester will unironically win a title where as Arsenal won't win shit with Wenger. Really isn't a hard decision. What fucking selling point does Arsenal even have anymore besides money? Because winning things certainly doesn't apply.
Sturridge is starting to get his fitness back.
I reckon we should do it desu.
It probably wouldn't be too expensive due to his injury problems, therefore if it goes tits up we won't make a massive loss, and we have a guaranteed goalscorer at the club, something we desperately need.
Imagine Sturridge linking up with Ozil and Alexis and Jack and shit. Bare goals senpai.
>>66909132
>>66909148
Same way Podolski was useless and then twat it top bins out of nowhere in 1 or 2 games?
>>66909026
Spurs have spent hundreds of millions of pounds on transfers and wages in the past 3-4 years.
In fact, from the period 1986-2009 they spent more than Manchester United.
They are the 4th highest spenders in English football overall in the past 30 years.
So no, it's not surprising they are up there at all.
>>66909148
>That unintended slice
Shit shot desu. Pretty lucky
>>66909201
Fuck no. The last thing Arsenal needs is overpaid, injury prone, English shit players who can't even play half the matches a season and collect exorbitant wages.
>>66909172
Kys
>>66909201
You're absolutely delusional if you think Sturridge doesn't play with a hard-on under Klopp, he's having the best time he's had since Suarez was at the club. AND he's home grown. AND it'd be selling to a rival. Liverpool would charge at least some 80m for him.
>>66909201
Sturridge has either a goal or an assist like every 90 minutes this season and he's not even in form yet. Seems like Klopp still isn't that keen on him though so it's probably worth a try.
But our medical team would literally end his career. Pulled hamstrings keeping him out for 6 months for some reason and shit like that
Do you guys really think we'll sign anyone good? Don't say Ibrahimovic because we know he hates Wenger and probably Arsenal as well.
>>66909236
and yet except Lamela none of those players are in their 11 at the moment showing you don't need to spend money to be at the top
They have a 30m+ profit from spending in the last 5 years.
Just because they spent money over the last 30 years doesn't suddenly make the team better now
>>66909172
You're right, football isn't FM.
As in you can't go out and spend 200 million British pound sterling on a whole new spine of superstar players in one summer and expect them to gel and win trophies.
You can, however, sign a couple good players in their position who will add quality to the squad and improve it. I'm not asking them to find complete hidden world class gems playing in the fucking conference. There are plenty of players out there who aren't global footballing superstars playing for a megaclub who would massively improve the club.
We need a winger. We don't need to sign Bale or Ronaldo. Someone like Fekir (granted I haven't watched him much this season but he was great last season) would do a job and would definitely 100% willingly love to leave Lyon to join us.
the arsenal squad is like the footballing equivalent of an /r9k/ meetup. they're all fucking soft as shite.
imagine you had to go on a nightout with the arsenal squad. it'd be the most boring night of your life. they're the sort of dweebs that would book a booth out in the nightclub and sit in there all night with a bottle of grey goose looking at their phones.
fucking yellow bellied whompercunts.
>>66909201
Mate ozil aintndoin shit. That alexis goal was jammy af. And it really says something about Jiroo if a brown manlet is scoring headers near me. The only good players aresenal have are cech, spicy spic, and manchester poonited reject danny welkek. Theres always the FA CUP tho rite nigga?
>>66909128
the issue is that if you want these good players who aren't superstars clubs will still be asking for 20m+ these days.
that's why we never sign anybody. wenger is reluctant to spend big on a player who isn't absolutely proven quality when the world class and the good but might be great go for the same prices.
the gems from the french league are few and far between. when wenger says he was looking at kante he probably didn't think he would be as good as he turned out. payet was obviously quality but when you have ozil it is a bit of a pointless signing when other areas need strengthening.
>>66909215
Nah because everyone knew Poldi could do that too. This Welbeck one was completely out of nowhere. We'll never see it happen again.
>>66909244
He's not actually shit though.
He genuinely scoring for fun.
>>66909319
No, I fully expect Arsenal to sign nobody except maybe a few youths this summer while Wenger hides under the Euros distraction.
>>66909327
>defending Arsenal and Wenger's transfer policy that is unambitios
kys
>>66909201
sturridge is shite.
injury-prone suarez babby. he can do one.
>>66909334
fekir has been injured all season, but i agree with your sentiment. issue is if they were asking for 30m for lacazette what do you think fekir's pricetag will be?
>>66909215
No because Podolski was a championship-tier player with a Champions League tier left foot.
Welbeck is just a shit player.
>>66909372
Neither is Jack, yet neither of them can make it through a season and literally steal for a living.
>>66909327
>and yet except Lamela none of those players are in their 11 at the moment
No idea what you are talking about. Who isn't in their 11?
>>66909327
>Just because they spent money over the last 30 years doesn't suddenly make the team better now
Yes it does. It's literally, objectively the case.
The more you spend, the more successful you are. There is a DIRECT link and there are loads of graphs and stats to prove it that have been posted countless times.
>>66909347
>implying I wouldn't be drunk as fuck doing coke and chatting up 6/10 slags with Wilshere
>>66909405
20m
Lacazette is the general big name, Fekir the magician behind the curtain
Plus high chance they wont finish in the CL leading to player sales (look at Marsielle last summer)
>>66909369
>>66909407
Then I got nothing.
Unless Sanogo scoring 4 past Benfica in the Emirates Cup counts. Or Gibbs with the Van Persie-esque volley against Swansea, but point taken.
>there are literally people ITT who have completely fallen for le sign all the players maymay
IT
DOES
NOT
WORK
>>66909456
Well neither does signing no players. Stop defending a shit transfer policy and Wengers cuckery.
>>66909450
Why worry about it when nobody will be signed at all?
>>66909456
Manure and Spuds are hardly arguments in that favor.
They just signed many, many wrong players (and in Manure's case, also the wrong manager).
Macey
Jenko - Bielik - Chambers - Gibbo
Coq - Wilsh(c)
Ainsley - Crowley - Iwobi
Akpom
r8
Tfw we could have signed Alderwerield
>>66909510
championship top 4
U21 champions
>>66909510
Championship tier. Too many shit, English players on that team. So it's about as hopeful as any English NT future.
>>66909515
How can you sign someone when you have a manager and board that pocket the money and refuse to sign anyone?
>>66909479
Oh don't worry I want Wenger out and I want signings but I'm not stupid enough to think that spending 200m on transfers in one summer would actually work.
August 30th 2016
IN:
Xhaka - £33m
Flamini - free
Out:
Artete - released
Rosicky - released
Flamini - released
>>66909327
>Just because they spent money over the last 30 years doesn't suddenly make the team better now
Uhhh yes it does. It doesn't take a season or two to build a club, it takes decades.
Lester will probably be in the Championship again within 7 years, that's just the way it is.
>>66909450
everybody knows how good fekir was, it's not some secret. but after being injured for an entire season it's a big risk
lacazette hasn't actually done too badly this season after a poor start, got a pretty good goal tally and he would probably be cheaper this year if we wanted him.
fw Feo signs a new ting
>>66909573
leicester have rich owners willing to spend.
they are here to stay
>>66909573
Nonsense. The TV and CL money combined with Ranieri's experience may well make Leicester a permanent PL club.
>Uhhh yes it does. It doesn't take a season or two to build a club, it takes decades.
And you're clearly retarded if you believe this.
A decade and a half ago, Sevilla and Villarreal weren't even in La Liga.
>>66909557
How about spending more than fucking 10m on transfers then? How about finally acknowledging the fucking flaws in the squad and addressing them instead of being a soft cuck?
>>66909560
Things that will never happen the post. You forget it's wenger and the same board here right?
>>66909510
>That front 4
Honestly that back 5 couldn't be worse than what we're currently running.
>>66909506
What makes you say that?
Everyone was raving about both of these teams when the transfers happened. Spurs had Lamela, Eriksen, Soldado, Paulinho, Capoue, Chadli, Sigurdson. They had revamped their entire team with "top class" and everyone was fucking RAVING about them. 3 of those signings worked out.
Man United signed Di Maria, Luke Shaw, Daley Blind, and fucking FALCAO, someone who people thought was one of the best. It didn't work.
Then they signed Schneiderlin, Depay, fucking SCHWEINSTEIGER. Didn't work.
The past 2 seasons people were saying United could challenge for the title and they barely challenged for CL spots.
>>66909621
You want to know what's funnier? Neither was Atletico Madrid.
>>66909560
>In Flamini
>Out Flamini
???
>>66909407
>>66909215
Podolski was worth having around because he's genuinely probably the best finisher in world football. his game isn't particularly great but he was useful to stick on the pitch if you were in need of a goal, because any chance that fell to him within 20 yards of goal had a very good chance of going in.
welbeck's just pish and couldn't lace podolski's boots when it comes to finishing.
>>66909628
>How about spending more than fucking 10m on transfers then? How about finally acknowledging the fucking flaws in the squad and addressing them instead of being a soft cuck?
I completely agree. That's what I want. That's not le sign all the players maymay.
Sign a new manager, couple first team players, a couple backups, and a couple yoof, and bam, the team improves exponentially. Do this consistently without losing big name players every summer and the team could be fucking brilliant within 3 years.
That's the only way to do it. Can't do it in a summer.
>>66909683
Atl. Madrid was actually a top division club in the 80s and 90s, they just went to the shitter in the late 90s and early 00s.
Sevilla and Villarreal were straight-up second division teams.
>>66909425
Spurs 11
Lloris cost £9.45m
Alderweireld cost £12m
Vertonghen cost £9m
Rose £375k
Walker £4m
Dier £3m
Dembele £14m
Eriksen £10m
Alli £4m
Lamela £30
Kane free
and yet this are miles ahead of Arsenal yet contain mainly players bought on the cheap and with a smaller squad while also playing in EL
>>66909706
Except that Wenger won't be fired like he should have been at least 3 years ago and the combo of he and the board won't do any of those things to improve the squad.
>>66909711
Speaking of Sevilla, Emery could be a potential target next year.
>>66909693
released july 1st
given a new 1 year contract august 30th
>>66909560
Not
>Arteta - retired and a valuable member of the coaching staff
His football career is clearly over, surely he knows this. But he quite clearly has a future in coaching (Pep wants him at City next season) and already has massive respect at Arsenal.
>>66909724
>Dier and Alli £7m
ffs
>>66909764
>1 year
just enough time for Özil to decide to leave
>>66909749
I'm not denying we're fucked I'm just challenging the people who think that signing a bunch of big names would help us in any way.
>>66909724
do you actually think if wenger had tottenhams squad they'd be challenging for the title? i certainly dont. i think they'd be lucky to be pushing 6th.
You nigs don't realize Wenger is paying his shit players high wages because otherwise they wouldn't play for Arsenal.
If you're an unattractive club with no future prospects for success, you have to pay up to get people to your club.
>>66909802
because Wenger is a shit manager
He'd finish 4th with PSGs squad, Barcelona's....
>>66909612
Do they fuck and are they fuck.
They'll have their fun next season in the CL
Lose their best players
Finish 6th-10th in the league because they won't be able to handle it.
Then finish about 15th in 2018
Relegated in 2019.
Like clockwork. I'd happily bet any amount of money they will have played in the Championship again by 2025.
It takes a wage bill of around £200m + annual transfers of around £40m to be a top 4 club.
circa a quarter of a BILLION per year
>>66909711
Fair enough, that's true.
>>66909802
That's the point a lot of people are trying to make.
Yeah, individually, maybe these teams like Lester and Spurs aren't that great at all, but together, as a team, they fucking work.
Poch knows what he wants and he's found players that can do what he wants and told them to do that. He's not gone and signed a load of big names and told them to play football, he's had a specific plan in mind and that's what you need.
>>66909724
Well done. One season.
Now show me the stats for the past 30 years in each of those years.
Pretty sure I'll be correct 25 times out of 30.
>>66909807
>You nigs don't realize Wenger is paying his shit players high wages because otherwise they wouldn't play for Arsenal.
don't appreciate you calling me a nig desu
Don't think I'll ever get over spurs finishing above >us any time soon lads
Wat do?
>>66909834
he's a shit manager, but also pochetino is a great one and is making most of those players play above themselves.
arsenal under pochettino would;ve won the league comfortably this season in my opinion. i think he is the best manager in the world after simeone.
>>66909861
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11712/9309740/sky-bet-championship-leicester-citys-owner-targets-top-five-finish-in-premier-league1
>>66909621
>The TV money
Every club gets that.
>CL money
What? A one-off payment of £25m-30m is going to give them long-term success and stability? Are you high? That is what they'll have to pay their three top earners to stay at their club for another year. It'll cost them more than that just to compete for a year.
>combined with Ranieri's experience
As if he's not going to retire in the next 5 years... Besides, he's not a particularly great manager. That'll be clear next season.
>>66909982
Koeman did Southampton better than Poch did though.
Who is a realistic manager target with some >tactics lads
If Wenger had any balls he'd sign a winger (Fekir), a striker (Ibrahimovic), a DM backup (Gueye), a CM (Xhaka), a CB (Howedes) and a backup RB (fuck knows)
Instead we'll get no one.
>>66909905
Just making sure the argument is heard nig.
>>66910023
Koeman, Bielsa, Howe, Corbyn, etc
>>66910023
Koeman
>>66910023
Koeman
>>66909861
have you even watched them play once this season?
they're the best team in england by a distance. they'll be comfortably qualifying for Europe next season at the very least. absolute NAP.
>>66909661
Moyes had utter shit to work with. They were players Ferguson knew how to work with and nobody else.
Mourinho (or whoever is taking over) could win the league with the current squad without making any changes.
>>66910051
>Corbyn
who dat
>>66910069
I'm not talking about Moyes though am I.
I'm talking about LVG. Both of those seasons were LVG.
Moyes only signed Fellaini in summer and Mata in Jan.
>>66910030
>winger (Fekir)
not a winger
>a DM backup (Gueye)
Villa man? could be a decent shout. he'd look good in a decent team
>backup RB (fuck knows)
Jenko
>>66910023
Koeman, Bilic. Bilic is good on tactics but his squad is just full of big black men. I like Koeman because he doesn't take shit. He fully criticized Wanyama when he got a red for being a retard did the same for Mane.
>>66910067
I watched them be convinced outplayed by West Ham at home today.
Also, I'm not talking about how good the team is this year, I'm talking about how difficult it is to run a football club over 5-10 years and the financial implications of keeping it in the top 4.
remember when /arse/ wasn't so jaded?
I miss old /arse/
>>66910144
>not a winger
He is though isn't he.
>>66910102
Yes and Moyes finished 7th and van Gaal finished 4th after spending loads of money. Proving, yet again (as if we needed it) that spending money improves your team.
>>66910051
>Howe
Stop this >british managers meme. Howe, Pardew, McClaren, Woy, they're all completely outclassed now that every other manager in the PL is a foreigner. They'll all lose even more space next season.
For what it's worth
>Koeman, Low, Simeone, Tuchel, Allegri, Sarri, Favre, Emery, Marcelino, Bielsa, Sampaoli, AVB
are all better, more modern, more competitive managers than Wenger.
Not to say anything of Poch (lolspuds),Conte (lol chelshit) and Mourinho (lolmanure)
>>66910144
Gueye is only good player in a shower of shit
Would need to play many games or cost much
Low risk
Shame he'll probably end up in the Championship however
>>66910182
nah
>>66910208
Oh, also Cocu and DeBoer.
>>66910199
Except the points required to finish 4th were alot lower than that was req to finish 7th
>>66910199
Considering that a lot of the big signings didn't do the job and he had to resort to youth and players he already had, I don't think it proves anything. It proves that LVG is a slightly better manager who was slightly better prepared for the challenge than Moyes, but that's it.
Also the fact that LVG's continued to spend huge money and regressed as a team also disproves your wasteman theory.
>>66909807
Thats Wenger and his scouts fault thou. You don't need to spend dosh on avarage players (like Walcott, for example) when players like Kante, Mahrez, Lukaku, Coman, etc... are cheap as fuck. But no, lets spend dosh on players like Welbeck...
>>66910334
>>66910267
Jesus Christ you are fucking retarded.
Look at this image.
Look at the top 5 clubs there.
Are you really surprised that they also happen to include 4 of the top 5 most successful clubs in the country?
If you spend more money, you are more successful. I can't believe this is news to some of you.
This is the most blatant and obvious truth in football.
>>66910543
Stoke will be serious contenders for Europe next season m8
>>66910496
There's nothing wrong with Arsenal's scouts, they're in fact some of the best-equipped in the world.
They're the very reason Wonga gets to say "almost signed him" about every other player.
It's not the scouts, it's Wonga.
>>66910589
Yep and Arsenal will be relegation candidates!
Le epic outlyer may-may amirite?
>>66910543
Aston Villa though, holy shit.
>>66910613
transfer committees la'
Is koeman the consensus best candidate. Dutch managers seem contentious and belligerent with players and media sometimes. Even tho he's senile and past-it Wonga will always have tact
>>66910607
I'm serious. You don't think Stoke will be battling for 7th place?
>>66910701
>Wonga will always have tact
>tact
Since when tact with the british media is a requirement for success?
pic related, but also fergie
>>66910701
Fuck Wenger's "tact". Koeman is the type of guy who's needed.
>>66910701
Wenger is a crybaby bitch, he has no tact except to complain to the media and coddle his mentally weak players. Why worry about Koeman? He will go to a different club or stick with Southampton when the board gives Wonga a new contract.
>>66910701
Wonga >>>>>/OUT/
Koeman /IN/<<<<<
>mfw fags on r/gunners unironically don't r8 k koeman
>>66910810
>cucks support wenger, a fellow cuck
Breaking news, water is wet.
>>66910591
Wenger out then.
I liked it better in the days when Wenger would give interviews saying "I didn't see it"
Would take Mourinho in at this point tßh
Ian Wright just said he loves crystal palace and Arsenal in equal measure
Top KEK, fanboys btfo
>>66911065
Everyone already knows Wrighty is like that though
>theo walcott is still an arsenal player
>>66910543
Can't you read your own image? Spurs, arsenal, leicester, at the top of the table, while at the bottom or not even in your fucking picture. ManUtd spent a fortune while their best player, gets paid 1500 a week because he's a fucking teenager. Only man City are in the top of your picture and the league table. Yes they've had succes in recent years, but this season has been fucking proof that money can't always buy succes.
>"fans" hated on based Henry for saying Arsenal couldn't win the league with the current squad and Jiroo as main striker
Where the FUCK are those faggots now?
>>66911316
>you now remember Wenger saying Henry doesn't know how the fans feel because he sits in the nice seats
>>66911316
I'm pretty sure Wenger was the only one who objected to him saying that.
>>66911391
For the prices Arsenal charge every seat is the nice seat.
>>66911407
Pretty sure AKBs and armchair experts were defending Jiroo because they are fucking poofs.
>Wrighty saying he's disappointed at the empty seats
Morning lads
WENGER OUT
>>66911602
THIS
morning lads
wenger in
jeff when
Reminder that Arsenal will pay Feo another 21m pounds for the remaining 3 years of his 140k/week contract.
Lol losers and chokers :^) Man U will make it.
>>66903220
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI
>>66912927
DELETE THIS
>>66912927
>people unironically defend this man-child
wew
Wenger in desu
>>66908276
Alright alan davies calm down
>>66913053
delete this
>>66905088
The things I'd do to her...
>>66913201
Like what?
>>66913248
Cry to her about the state of Arsenal football club
>>66902565
>>66902576
you both literally forgot Leicester. Those are the ones in 1st place currently.
Lads I sprained my ankle, I'm out for the rest of the season.
>>66913266
bit gay desu
>>66913363
hi jack
>>66913363
based summer LANS
no need for any signings now
>>66913248
Mostly sexual.
It's a shame the ASM movies were so bad. My dick really wanted to see her as Black Cat.
>>66913408
dunno what you're talking about to be honest
>>66913373
I need someone to vent to
>>66910543
outdated image by 2 years
When was the last time Wenger made 10 changes due to a tough midweek European match?
>>66913848
When was the last time I had a job?
>>66909384
Right lads, I come to this thread on a regular basis to have a bit of a laugh at you lot. On this occasion I began feeling sympathy. I was gonna leave it - but then one of you absolute slags actually has this opinion and it reminds me why people hate you as a fan base. I can't feel sympathy for you. You're ungrateful; you think your team is bigger than your team actually is; you both overrate and slag-off your same players in the same breath. Couple all of this with the genuinely statistically anomalous rate of autism in your fan base - I just can't identify with you on any common level. I hope you finish 5th and you all get a reality check and start supporting your squad without fostering such a negative atmosphere for them. Imagine playing for Arsenal. Imagine the prospect of signing for Arsenal given the climate you guys create for the team. Gain some perspective.
>>66913446
Capeshit you uncultured swine.
Yfw Sturridge, Wickham both have more goals than Walcott this season
>>66913937
>capeshit but i'm the uncultured one
fucking hell lad
>>66909861
Just to let you know; Leicester will be receiving that quarter of a billion on tick by a fucking mile simply for finishing 1st in the EPL this season given the state of football now and the TV deals.
Can we still win the league, lads?
>>66913939
Have they scored a screamer against Man City and a comeback goal against Lester this season, though?
>>66905088
>I rebel
>Being owned by Stan Kroenke
get fucked
>>66902221
Kroenke sees Arsenal as nothing more than a Sporting brand. He only wants to see how much he can get away with before it colapses. And it will not colapse.
He will not agree to sacking Wenger because he serves his interests well.
Kroenke is the one who needs to leave. He never will tho, Arsenal must be a very profitable business for him.
>>66914800
You're right but Wenger needs to leave too.
>>66914821
Of course he needs to leave. I didn't mean to say he souldn't leave. He won't because Kroenke won't sack him and he is too stubborn to resing.
Arsene is not a bad manager, but after so many years his game has gotten stale and he isn't able to motivate the players anymore. It would be better for both Arsenal and him if he resigned. There's a good reason why most managers don't stick with the same team as long as Wenger has done. Hell, most managers don't stay in the same team for more than 5 years.
>>66914937
>Arsene is not a bad manager
Why can't Arsenal have the 4th highest ticket prices instead of the first?
>>66915546
because you touch yourself at night
what would it take to lift all this doom & gloom here?
>>66915944
death of kroenke, wenger, welbeck, walcott, ox, ramsey, gabriel and mertesacker
>>66909450
They are 2nd in Ligue 1 you daft wanker they will be in the CL AND be seeded higher than Arsenal
>>66916100
I like Gabby, he is a good lad.
>>66916713
adding you to the list along with him
>>66916479
Only because Monaco has a game in hand.
>In the 2012-13 and 2013-14 campaigns combined, Arsenal paid £30.6m to injured players, Manchester City £30.2m, Tottenham £19.9m and Liverpool £16.5m
Wew, that's pretty fucking shocking. I'm sure 14/15 and 15/16 are not behind in that department.
That's a whole 2 new signings right there.
>>66917052
>That's a whole 2 new signings right there.
I think you forgot who our manager is
>>66910023
Koeman, Bilic, De Boer.
>>66910069
nah, he would still need to invest in offensive players, they're fucking shit at creating chances
>you now realise that barcalona's current bad form was triggered by only beating Arsenal by fifty goals aggregate.
>>66917052
14/15 was really bad. Ozil, Giroud, each spent around 3 months out. Debuchy had injuries. Walcott was out for around 6/7. All decently paid players.
>>66916100
I believe in Gabriel, sure, he has made several mistakes, but the lad is still developing. Koscielny didn't shine when he arrived either
WOBs make me sick, wanting to throw out of the boat a man who has given >us so much in exchange of so little. Imagine having Van Gaal, spending +150m on signings and still be garbage, or perhaps Pellegrini, spending 49m on Sterling and 32m on shit players like Otamendi... baka desu senpai
>>66917425
already 25, he shouldn't be developing
>>66917425
Gabriel is really bad in all honesty, there are about 15 brazilian CBs better than him, but what are you gonna do, Wenger passed on signing (or should I say 'almost-signed') Dedé in 2011, and now this is what you got.
>>66917557
do you rate jemerson? he looked pretty good against QSG
>>66917496
Payet and Vardy at 29, Dembélé at 28, Alderweireld at 27, all of them having the best season of their entire careers
>>66917657
So? They're not Gabriel.
We should keep playing a shit player because he might have a good season in three years?
Should we keep buying players who need to develop instead of players who are already good?
Wenger pls
>>66917657
>Payet and Vardy at 29, Dembélé at 28
offensive players, not the same
>Alderweireld at 27
he has his best season but he has always been a solid defender
Who /readyfornosignings/ here?
>>66917636
Yes, he was a top 5 CB in our league last year. For once a "brazilian starlet" that isn't a made-up media fabrication just to hype whoever mediocre brazilian an european team signs, no matter how unproven he is back home.
Jemerson is class, ALREADY better than GabbyP despite being 2 years younger (thus, another signing Wenger missed), although he's not as good as Dedé, Miranda or Thiago Silva (all of which won the silver ball "best CB in the league 3x before moving to europe - jemerson won only one).
Way better than that Wallace shitter too. I'm sure he'll develop well.
>>66917886
What about Marlon from Fluminense?
>>66910543
why is fulham out of order?
>>66917931
meme, not very good even for a 19 year old, managed the incredible feat of scoring 2 own goals in his first season
but Fluminense (his team), just like Santos, has a deal of first-refusal with Barcelona, which is why every one of their overhyped youngsters gets lot of european attention
Gérson (Roma for 16m hahah oh wow he's so fucking shit), Kenedy (he's shit, people hopped on his bandwagon when he got a few caps for Chelski but he's shit you'll all see), Robert (loan with buyout option to Barcelona B, mediocre as fuck), and now Marlon.
Fluminense can't into youth products, their Rio de Janeiro fanbase is just to small compared to Flamengo/Vasco, so their pool of youth products is smaller. The only Rio team which still consistently produces great players is Vasco, despite being a terribly-run team who just got relegated. Coutinho (Liverpool), Allan (Napoli), Dedé (Cruzeiro, still great but never got a move to yurop and now he's too old for that), Romulo (good DM from CSKA) and Alex Teixeira (former waxtap/now china), also Luan (23yr old CB scouted by Leverkusen). Evander is probably next, a highly-skilled 17yr old AM/LW, already being scouted by all big clubs, getting a debut this year.
Flamengo has the largest youth pool, being the biggest fanbase in the country with a 40m fanbase and youth who travels from all over the country just to be on their trials, but lately they haven't been so good on the youth end.
São Paulo clubs nowadays are better than Rio clubs at producing good players for the first time ever, Santos being the noteworthy mention. South clubs are stepping up their game too. And I swear Rodrigo Dourado is a way better DM than Elneny, and United was set on stepping up the chase for him, but I'm sure Van Gaal just looked at another hue and thought "nah this is not ze filohsofie".
São
>this season
>this manager
>these players
>my life
>>66918025
Informative post. I don't know enough about Brazilian football to have an opinion though. I only hear about (over?) hyped youngsters like Barbosa and Lincoln and just assume they're good because of FM.
>>66918025
Is Gabriel Barbosa good?
>>66917886
good to know, a shame monaco will probably sell him for €40m to a PL club after two seasons but if he can help them to make ligue 1 less boring that would be that already
and I agree with you for wallace, he's 21 so there is still hope, at least fabinho is getting better
>>66918094
>>66918092
He's alright, played his first season as a ST (10 league goals) and his 2nd season as LW (another 10 league goals).
He's still developing, far from a complete player but that's a given for a 19/20 year old. We'll see how he does testing himself against the likes of Tah and Mammana in the Olympics.
Not sure he'll ever be world-class though. I'd put him on a "scout but wait" list.
Oh right, one last thing on GabbyP I don't think many people know:
He and David Luiz come from the same club, Vitória, from Bahia. Clearly they're teaching something very fundamentally wrong to their CBs over there.
Any similarity will not be a mere coincidence :^)
Hey arsekeks, if given the choice right now would you trade Walcott for Podolski or would you keep le run run chokeman
>>66918992
Trade, I didn't want lulu to leave in the first place
Good afternoon lads.
Wenger out.
Why is Arsene's ratio with defenders so poor?
Elite: Campbell, Cole, Toure
Strong: Lauren, Sylvinho, van Bronckhorst
Erm yea they're good usually: Gallas, Clichy,
Sagna, Vermaelen Koscielny, Mertesacker
Squad players at best: Eboue, Gibbs, Monreal
Failures: Santos, Cygan, Stepanovs, Senderos, Squillaci, Silvestre, Traore, Djorou, Hoyte, Miquel, Debuchy
More data needed: Jenkinson, Bellerin, Chambers, Gabriel
http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/2832401/barcelona-more-beatable-than-ever-before-arsene-wenger
Imagine if Chamberlain and Welbeck didn't play that home game
>>66920340
it would have been the same
>>66918992
Keep Walcott. They're both shit, but at least Walcott adds to the homegrown-quota.
>>66920356
There are talented youngsters coming through with more bottle, no need to scramble to meet a HG quota.
>>66920345
Nah we'd have actually had some shots on target, been dargerous from free kicks and been able to hold the ball up front woth Giroud from Cech's kicks. Welbeck doesn't even win headers.
>>66920365
There's also a maximum number of non-HG players allowed in a PL-squad, meaning you'd have to kick someone out for Podolski.
Point of the matter is, trading Walcott for Podolski is stupid.
>>66920388
>we'd have actually had some shots on target
Bold statement with a team starting with Giroud.
>>66906773
>Liverpool in the same league with Barcelona, Bayern
>Spurs the same level
>nice try sempai.
>now fuck off
>>66907102
4th failure to a club like Liverpool.
mate, they finished in the top 4 ONCE in 6 season.
>Suarez finished in the top 4 really.
>Liverpool are 8th.
>Sotton > Liverpool
>>66920415
Are you implying that Welbeck is better than Giroud?
>>66920435
I'm implying that Giroud isn't a good striker.
>wake up
>Wenger hasn't died in his sleep overnight
RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>66920421
>>66920427
Why even respond to bait as obvious as that?
>>66920445
He'd have more shots on target than Welbeck.
But I'm not assburger and I get that you were joking
>>66920388
Giroud wouldn't get a shot and make the three supporting him even worse
>>66920474
I don't think you realize how shit Giroud can be. This isn't a Welbeck-Giroud comparison thing, it's about what damage Giroud could do to Barcelona.
In general, it's useless to discuss this, because it's all guesswork on a non-existing situation. Based on his overall form and his ability, I'd strongly advise against assuming Giroud would be certain to be a threat to Barcelona out of all teams, seeing how he has had absolutely invisible games against teams that are far more inferior than Barcelona.
tl;dr: You're acting like Giroud isn't shit enough to squander every opportunity to score.
Arsenal are doing as well as they could with the money they spent in the last 10 years.
Blame your greedy owners who apparently hate glory, not the manager you fucking mongs
I like how the Koeman train has gradually kicked up pace and is now in full swing on /arse/
>>66920493
He would have got a shot. Making the others worse is meaningless, since playing Welneck may as well be playing with 10 men.
>>66920506
I'd advise against writing Giroud off because he's been shit in some matches. This is about comparing how Giroud or Welbeck would have, or did, perform against Barca. Welbeck was typically total shit. Giroud could have had a good game. Welbeck was never going to have a good game.
>>66920516
the owners have given him money, he's the one who won't use it. keep up retard
>>66920551
giroud was the reason we weren't more fluid against southampton, stoke, and others. welbeck was the reason arsenal restored their potency ever so slightly.
>>66920580
>buzzwords
nah
>>66920551
No, you're trying to make it like a Welbeck-Giroud thing. Giroud is an insignificant player and isn't of the type of quality to warrant statements like:
>we'd have actually had some shots on target
>He'd have more shots on target than Welbeck.
like it's a certainty. It's not. Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a player like that. Giroud is not. There is a huge chance he would've only annoyed people like against Monaco for example.
But at least you've changed it to "Giroud could have had a good game" now.
Neither Giroud nor Welbeck will ever be better than potentially useful options off the bench.
Same for Walcott.
The needs are exactly the same as the start of the season: top class striker, top class centre back, new manager.
>>66920768
And you're making it would like Giroud is a total scrub. He's not. He generally has shots on target every game he plays, and he has scored several good goals against great opponents in the CL.
Welbeck is most likely to not have a shot on target in any game he plays, and has not scored a goal except in 1 CL game.
The statement "Giroud would have had shots on target/more SoT than Welbeck" is based on facts.
>>66920824
giroud also has a terrible shot/conversion rate, as does welbeck
both aren't really good enough
>>66920830
Yeah, fine this is true but so what? Giroud and Welbeck are not on the same level. Giroud is much better than Welbeck.
Welbeck is worse than Dwight Gayle for fucks sake.
>theo walcott will not permanently fuck off
>>66920847
>Welbeck is worse than Dwight Gayle for fucks sake.
I think Giroud is a bit better than Welbeck, but let's not go full retarded here anon.
>>66920855
Better movement, positioning and finishing.
>https://twitter.com/Orbinho/status/722014015220772864
WENGER OUT
>>66920887
simply saying these things doesn't make them true
Arguing whose better out of Giroud and Welbeck is like arguing which kid with downs syndrome is less retarded. They're both shit.
>>66902578
>selling two of your best players
For what purpose would you sell Ozil and Sanchez?
>>66920916
taking into account gayle is younger and plays for c palace
he's better than welbeck
wonga out PLEASE
>>66921057
i dont get how welbeck even has one england cap. hes never been able to score and hes shit anywhere but striker. hes shit at striker too to be honest. i just dont get how hes had such a good reputation despite his shit stats wherever hes been
GET OUT OF MY CLUB!
>>66921096
He played for Man U
He scores against shit teams in Int'l duty.
He's black.
That's all it takes for Cuckbecks to rate him.
Oh great, Jack can't play 9 fucking minutes but he can embarass us on twitter all day long. Very impresive.
Oh great, Jack can't play 9 fucking minutes but he can embarass us on twitter all day long. Very impresive.
>eternal arseshit thread
Serious question, what will you do when Spurs finish above you for the first time in over 20 years?
>>66921236
Probably hear a bit of shit talking and bants about it and go on with life. My happyness doesn't revolve around arsenal or I would probably be suicidal by now
new fred where
>>66913939
How is this surprising Sturridge is genuinely really good.
Yeah he's been injured but when he's fit he scores goals for fun.
>>66920597
retard
New thread wasn't linked if anyone is still here
>>66921301
>>66921301
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