Should the women's team be making as much as the men's team, /sp/?
>comparing women's revenue during a world Cup year to a non world cup year for men
Women are really this dumb?
They should probably make more considering they actually win tournaments.
On a more serious note, let's see how much US soccer pulls in from the women's game.
>Career ending pregnancy
They should probably get more since they actually win stuff.
Women really should be paid more in the USA since soccer is a women's sport here and the women's team is actually the best in the world
>sue over pay disparity
>win case
>players paid as much as men
>league and sport collapses due to every club in massive debt thanks to higher wages
>>66491226
I'd rather have a 3rd tier men's national team than a first tier female 2bh
>>66491215
fucking this
No one wants to watch Women's soccer, Men's soccer will always bring in more a fuck load more money. is it no surprise that the men get paid more.
do women even think before they speak?
>>66491223
Almost nothing
Mostly poor attendance and ratings outside the world cup
>>66491230
Fag
>mens (insert sport here) makes more revenue
>therefore they are paid more
not sure why women can't wrap their teeny tiny heads around this
it's nothing to do with sexuality it's simply capitalism at work
The real disgrace is there's a good chance they will win or the USSF will break because of popular demand and it will be at the expense of the men's team
The U19 national team from fucking Micronesia would wipe the floor with them.
Men bring in viewers, so money, so get paid, it's not that hard jesus.
>3.2 billion watched 1min+ of 2014 WC
>total broadcast hours of 98,087
>750 million watched 1min+ of 2015 WWC
>total broadcast hours of 7,781
>>66491234
I guess they're taking some bullshit equality stance
This isn't some workplace "injustice" where women cooperate equally
This is an entertainment business
You produce revenue, which the women's game doesn't
IIRC that's a higher percentage of total WWC revenues than what Germany got from the men's
So they should really shut the fuck up
>>66491226
Except no one watches women's football since it's comically bad, moron.
Honestly, at least here, they have a pretty good argument. One, they're actually good and win shit unlike our men who are garbage.
Two, Americans actually CARE about our women's team and like watching them. Compared to men's soccer which is mostly followed by hipster fagrods.
The highest rated soccer game in US history was a USWNT championship game. So while it makes little sense in countries that care about soccer, here in America they are more valuable than the scrubs on our men's team.
>>66491277
If the Men ever made it to the WC final the ratings would probably blow it out of the water.
>>66491259
exactly. It literally does not make any sense for both men and women to get paid equally in this situation
/sp/ BTFO
>>66491287
That's a pretty big if there buddy.
Fact is, America is the only country where a strong argument can be made that the women deserve equal pay to the men's national team. Hell they might even deserve more.
I don't know how revenue sharing breaks down, and the Men's World Cup obviously generates fuckton more revenue than the women's WC, but as far as TV and ad based revenue goes the women are at worst equal to the men.
>>66491277
They lost to the men's U-17 team 8-2
What the fuck is this shit?
While true, it was just the final
Every other game they didn't even get half the ratings of the men's team
>>66491287 is right in saying a men's final would blow them out of the water
>>66491277
>US football team manages to get out of a group with Germany and Portugal, teams with genuine star players
>US women's football team beats the shit out of part time post men
That you think the second is a greater achievement is laughable. I hate americans.
>>66491296
I'm curious as to what the numbers were in 2014.
>>66491196
>amerilard men getting cucked by their women
lel no surprise there
>>66491296
>in 2015
>>66491296
A world cup year vs what was the men playing exactly?
>>66491322
>what was the men playing exactly?
Gold Cup, losing to Jamica in the process
>>66491311
I don't think it's a greater achievement. I don't know enough about soccer to even know what a good achievement is.
I know specifically, as far as the World Cup goes, the Women's team are as valuable/marketable and in demand as the men's team and probably more.
>>66491322
Gold Cup.
>>66491330
The only one that is widely known is the one that had her body painted in Sports Illustrated
Female footballers are already grossly overpaid since males that play at similiar level generally don't get paid anything.
>>66491326
>>66491332
So some shitty competition no one gives a shit about?
>>66491343
that's because males that play at similiar level still go to elementary school
>>66491277
>Honestly, at least here, they have a pretty good argument. One, they're actually good and win shit unlike our men who are garbage.
Currently, the USWNT only has to deal with Germany and a little bit of Japan and France as competition as far as I know. The rest doesn't care, and even those countries don't care much. They're a big fish in a small pond.
Currently, the USMNT is inferior or of a similar level to, :
>Mexico (maybe even Costa Rica)
>Most of Europe
>Most of South America
>A few african countries (Cameroon, IC, Ghana, Algeria to name the most relevant right now)
>Japan and South Korea (maybe a few other asian shitholes, but I'm sticking to the most well-known)
>Australia
It's not that they're garbage, it's that the sheer competition is absolutely ridiculous.
I know the names of more players on our women's national team then our men's because the USNWT are actually winners and not pathetic losers like the men's team
>>66491330
>I know specifically, as far as the World Cup goes, the Women's team are as valuable/marketable and in demand as the men's team and probably more.
Because your men are shit and americans only root for winners. Look at the large NY Yankees fanbase for example.
>>66491353
Or a continental championship that was played in USA, no less.
>>66491353
Or alternatively the 2nd biggest trophy you can compete for
>>66491302
You're basing your entire argument off of one game having high ratings. There is no ad revenue outside of the World Cup final for the women, while people will tune in to watch the men play against Guatemala ffs. Get your shit together man
>>66491373
>in USA
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
It was many away games for them
>>66491384
Probably the confed cup
>>66491362
>Currently, the USWNT only has to deal with Germany and a little bit of Japan and France as competition as far as I know
You're forgetting who finished 3rd at the world cup
>>66491330
>I don't know enough about soccer to know what a good achievement is
Clearly you do not
>>66491399
anyone has that famous own goal webm?
>>66491396
You have to win the Gold Cup to compete in the confed cup
>>66491367
They're "winners" because they LITERALLY play against semi-pros. People with part time jobs. You're not a winner if you go to a schoolyard and start beating up kids.
>>66491399
Of course
Who could forget?
Maybe if females wished to earn the same as men, they could try and play for a professional men's team, seeing as there is literally nothing stopping them from doing so.
>be ameriwoman
>make quarter finals of World Cup
>receive paycheck for $0
>>66491407
I wasn't saying that like I cared about it either
>>66491417
>A NWSL team, which is probably the best wimmenz league in the world, got btfo by a MLS academy
Frankly only winning by 7 goals from 2 games is embrassing
>>66491412
Women goal keeping is definitely the best part of the sport
>>66491399
Oh right, Engleland. My point stands though.
>>66491196
If you think you're underpaid for your level of performance, then talk to your employer and to strengthen your threats start looking for a another employer. And you can always start your own firm.
That is provided the government doesn't pay a cent. Governments shouldn't pay to grown ups playing games.
If you wan't get payed for playing games, then find a private party that is willing to pay what you consider your value.
>>66491436
lel women nt btfo
If it was only about accomplishments within their own division they would have a claim, but not only is there not as much competition as the men have, the money to pay them has to come from somewhere and women's soccer just doesn't make enough of it.
>>66491330
That's just horseshit. And you also have to consider the teams that the US men are playing against. Almost every single person in Germany, Portugal, Ghana was watching those games against the USA. A decent amount of people in the foreign countries were probably watching the US women's games against Australia and Sweden in the group stage because they're progressive countries, but I bet practically no Nigerians were watching USA vs Nigeria.
Men's soccer is simply more valuable. Why the fuck don't male pornstars sue to be paid equally??
Men and Women should just split, have their organizations be separate. Then the USWS can pay their athletes whatever the fuck they want to, and USMS can pay their athletes whatever the fuck they want to.
Shows how little money women's soccer actually makes that they would sue their NT for money. No one cares about it or they would be paid on the club level.
>>66491196
Should probably be a function of what their events produce. If they have flat contacts, then they might be getting screwed
>>66491519
This. Pay them the same percentage of the revenue they bring in then sit back and laugh as the womens team again complains about not getting paid as much as the men.
As harsh as it is its an inferiror product, in the back of everyones mind they know the mens team would beat them 20-0 if they played each other so no one gives a shit. High ratings in the womens final means nothing. The world championship of transgender dicksucking would rate highly in the US if they had a team in the final.
>>66491554
Or it just shows women are greedy whores
>>66491575
Further to this i would love to see the stats on how many of these women complaining about the pay gap actually paid money to watch the team play
>>66491258
There was a WWC in 2015?
>>66491598
IIRC the WWC had a bigger percentage of male viewers than the regular WC
But they're kicking a ball around for a living
They're lucky they're getting anything at all
>>66491627
Bigger male viewers total or just a bigger percentage?
>>66491656
Percentage
Every non-final game got killed
they're gonna get BTFO in court
>>66491676
Why would a larger percentage of male viewers vs a larger total viewing audience matter at all when talking about advetising revenue?
>>66491713
I'm not
Just noting that the women that complain about this shit don't watch
Easily the worst part about being an American soccer fan
There's a large number of SJWs
maybe they should start comparing their wages to the wages of the kazakh u-15 NT or some dipshit semi-pro team in the 8th tier of english association football as it is obvious that they too would absolutely annihilate the women's WC winner
fucks sake US if you want to use the "we dun even care lulz" excuse every time you get BTFO from the World Cup at least don't actively make the sport more cancerous by giving legitimacy to this dyke butthurt. I honestly didn't even know there is organized female soccer before I've seen it on /sp/.
>>66491519
>>66491575
That's what I was thinking. Let them branch off and pay whatever they want, or just pay a flat percentage of the revenue generated. That's as fair as you can get.
if they want equal pay, let them earn it by playing a match against the German NT
if they keep it under 10 goals, they get equal pay
>>66491849
People who complain about this don't actually watch or care about women's sports
It's something to complain about
>>66491912
>implying Merkel wouldnt order turkmany to lose
>>66491196
Give them credit
They spewed a lot of bullshit but gave enough distractions to keep people's interest from "equal percentage"
>>66491912
The US womens team is literally followed and watched more than the mens. I'm not normally on their side but in this case they have a genuine argument to at least be paid the same, if not more.
Womens football can only go so far because of the current competition which, lets face it is non-existant, and because women are physically inferior to men.
So no matter how competitive or fierce the opposition becomes, no matter how many trophies they pick up, they will still be technically as good as an English non-league side, perhaps lower. I would make the argument that a local small village team in the 9th/10th tier on the pyramid could at least get a result against the US womens team.
Their pay in comparison to the mens isn't even relevent, it's a completely different ball game and they shouldn't be using that as an argument at all. How much do womens players in leagues across Europe and America make? not a lot at all, but they should'nt try and justify MORE MONEY because the MALEs are getting paid a hell of a lot more.
If FIFA wanted to make the womens winnings equal to the mens, that's on them, but it would be a mis use of money. They are already being paid too much.
You can find a market for just about anything, there's sick fetishes that have markets, womens football is marketable but only so much, it's not worldy in any sense, nobody tunes in to watch the American womens national team play in the world cup from England, the only reason anyone would actually watch that shit is if they had a genuine interest or because it's funny. Disabled athletes should be paid more before women get a bump.
>>66492033
They aren't though
Viewership is shit for non-WC final games compared to the men
>>66492047
Quality doesn't equal money though, if it did then Bayern wouldn't get less tv money than any Premier League team. Fact of the matter is that more people watch the USWNT than the USMNT, yet they get paid way less. This shouldn't be happening.
>>66492033
are you talking about worldwide audience numbers? those are the ones that matter with national teams since they usually play against other countries
>>66492033
most of the money in international competitions comes from huge sponsorship deals, not fucking national TV viewership. and since literally no one other than the US and MAYBE japan and germany give a single fuck about women's soccer, there's just not gonna be any deals anywhere near on the level of the men's side.
>>66492033
That's a lie though. The men's team has a much larger following no matter what ESPN tries to say.
>>66492074
But they don't
They didn't get more than 5 million viewers for the group stages and 8 million for the non-final knockout games while the men got nearly 20 for every group stage game including one in the middle of the day
And a WC final with the men would probably get around super bowl numbers
>>66492033
>Im a retard
None of that money comes from the USA Sports association, its all from FIFA which means OBVIOUSLY men will earn a shitload more and thats the way it should be.
Obviously the SJW-haven that is the USA will pass this suit and make the USMNT pay out of their own pockets to the women who get probably less than 1% of total viewership that the men do.
>>66491196
Everything after "Make World Cup roster" is directly related to FIFA's payouts for reaching those levels. They can take it up with FIFA, who is fortunately not about to take that shit.
>>66492074
Except the men have a much larger following. People will literally only watch the women play in a World Cup final. After that there's six months of buzz then they fade back into irrelevance. The men have a much more constant following
Who exactly are they suing? US Soccer?
>>66492074
that analogy is retarded because Bayern and the Prem are in club football. I bet the MLS has 3x the attendance and 30x the TV viewership than whatever numbers a female club league has.
>>66492163
Yes
Not the federation who is actually giving the money away
But the federation for which has to keep proping up women's leagues
>>66491420
>tfw stacked canned goods last night and made more than USWNT's combined quarterfinals bonuses last year
>>66491322
>>66491326
>>66491332
Holland and German friendlies at 2pm which they won both and the Gold Cup
>>66492249
since I work I home I just made more money than the USWNT quarter final bonus by making this post.
>women's team plays the men's u-17
>loses 8-2
>gee, why don't we get paid as much as the men's national team
You aren't even on the level of our team of high school teenagers.
>reach quarterfinals
>literally do it for free
>>66492249
>tfw janitor on /sp/ and made exactly that amount
>>66492287
This kid had homework due and still shitted on women professionals
>wanting a bonus for top 8
Wut. Losing in the quarter final would be a disaster. They'd have to lose to mailmen
>>66492287
True but in this case they actually bring in money comparable to the men's team. In cases like the WNBA and even the NWSL they money they bring in is nowhere comparable to the men's leagues.
I bet U21 squad earn even less, they should file suit too...
fucking women i swear, but even worse are men that fall for this kind of bullshit
>>66492357
>they actually bring in comparable money
Yeah, I have a hard time believing this considering their literally 0 mnutes of TV coverage this year. iDo you have a source to back this up?
>>66491412
>hands on knees
>crossover step
>>66491436
>be grown woman in peak form 26-28 years old
>get BTFO by pimple faced teenagers who just started fapping
>>66491258
To play devil's advocate, this means that the WWC attracted more viewers per broadcast hour.
>>66492473
Okay? That means nothing as far as money
>>66492473
That's quite irrelevant since the numbers are not total viewership but the number of unique individuals who watched it.
You could isolate the World Cup final and have a crazy number of 1b+ people per 2 hours of broadcast
>>66491412
COME ON FA! EQUAL PAY PLEASE SHE SLIPPED AS MUCH AS GERRARD!
The men make more comparatively because the field is much more competitive. The USWNT have almost zero competition every year.
>>66492074
It's about markets though.
Players in the PL are paid more than any other league for a reason, it's the market.
Move that to the US leagues and the MLS pays out more than the NWSL, even on a national scale looking at the market, the attendence and viewing figures for the NWSL is miniscule in comparison to the MLS, so ofcourse the MLS will pay out more as that's the market. The quality in this sense does not matter due to the market. EVEN HERE, there's outrage from women about equal pay when the markets quite clearly show why there is a pay inequality, that's basic.
Move it internationally, and you see why the USWNT feel the effect, not only are they the most superior womens nation, but they're actually quite well watched when doing it nationally. There is a market there for womens football internationally but that's on FIFA and other international competitions to pay out accoring to what their market shows. And, FIFA quite rightfully wouldn't pay out because the global Mens World Cup viewing figures is enormous compared to the womens.
If the US want to pay the womens team more it should be in accordance to what they get back from it, currently domestically more people watch the mens game than the womens game domestically, even internationally more people care about and watch USA vs Guatemala than the womens world cup qualifting equivelent. Until there's a full blown emergence of the womens game market, they shouldn't be paid any more.
>>66492562
And they are only relevant for one game every four years
>>66492312
USWNT do it for free!
I wonder if these same people think NBA players and WNBA players should get payed equally as well. I mean they play the same sport right?
the US women's team probably makes more money through endorsement than the men's
the reason they're taking it to court is because they would probably win
it wouldn't be viable in any other nation, because every other women's national team is infinitely less relevant than their male counterparts
>>66492616
Because of the market la, this does not happen and they would be stupid to argue it.
Shamefully this case would probably win, but the defence can and will justify paying the womens team less based on the revenue the women, and the game brings in compared to the mens, this is the be all factor in any pay disparity argument, if you bring in the same revenue for your employer, you'll get equal pay, if you don't, there will be a disparity; this is usually the case
Why are women models paid more than male models? maket and revenue.
Sports is a different ball game to most proffesions where market and revenue are not the end all, but sports are dominated by men, are watched dominantly by men, are played dominantly by men in so, justifiably marketed dominantly to men.
why don't they go on strike and say they won't play until they get better pay
>>66492880
>and after that decision the usa women's nt never played again
>>66491196
For group of people who play for gold, you'd think they would understand the logic of getting more for bring in the most amount.
>>66492668
they'll just use the same argument that the WNBA uses and say that the revenue earned from Womens is not even close to mens
>they aren't as good as the men so they should get paid less
Literally the dumbest argument ever. That's not how capitalism works.
>>66491227
Wasn't their league shut down because it wasn't pulling enough money to operate?
>>66492997
wait, is this true? lel
Honestly they do get shafted with $0 bonuses, but those are bonuses, not salary, and the comparison being made to the revenue of the Men's team when they aren't in the World cup is completely skewed, clear deception, and an obvious hole in their case,
They're going to lose and this will be an embarrassment.
>>66492976
This isn't the argument, or the argument that will be used in court.
Another argument that won't be used but it a legit one, is why the hell should they be paid for representing their country in the first place?
They should unironically do it for free.
>>66492428
https://twitter.com/DannyPage/status/715506641710387201
It's by no means a trend, but for FY 2016 they are projected to bring in about 5m more than the men's team did. Of course this includes the World Cup, but considering the money they did bring in this year compared to what they were paid I think they are getting hosed.
I think both teams should just get paid based on the revenue they bring in. The women's team can't beat the U-17 team but they sure as hell brought in a lot of money for this FY.
>>66492260
I'm sure the women enjoyed it too
>>66493043
I agree. I think the men should do it for free as well
>>66493049
But how? They don't play any relevant competitions outside the World Cup and that won't be for another 3 years
>>66492033
t. nu-male who's girlfriend had a bull
>>66491369
There's like 3 million people in that small region alone, that's including the rest of the tri state area. Here, people follow the "cheer for your local team" idea.
The Women bring in more money than the Men. So yes they should.
For once women have a point.
>>66493199
They fucking don't
>>66493199
No, they don't.
Only a moron would think they do.
>>66492465
How many of those teenagers "accidentally" grabbed a boob or ass or even "accidentally" swiped at their pussy? Lucky bastards.
Their mistake is arguing for "equal pay". No lawsuit will ever stick with that garbage.
They should be arguing to be paid what they deserve based on TV contracts, ratings, ad revenue, etc, which is definitely more than they're making now.
>>66492225
>biting the hand that feeds you
I can't see this ending well at all
>>66493138
the world cup and the victory tour got a lot of TV coverage. they probably will never make that much in a non-wc year.
i don't think that both team's should get paid the exact same, they should just get paid based on the amount of revenue they bring in that year. they women's team brought in more money than the men's team this year, why not pay them a bit more?
>>66492997
>implying the MLELS won't cave within 10 years
>>66491412
>that reaction time
Women are supposed to have like .5 second quicker reaction time than men, and this cunt couldn't see this shit coming a mile away, let alone right in front of her? Pathetic.
>>66493279
that is fine imo but the men should be payed a lot more in their wc year. Many people seem to be arguing for equal wc prize money
>>66493291
>Implying the mls won't become America's 3rd biggest league after it takes over MLB
>>66493315
>Women are supposed to have like .5 second quicker reaction time than men
not really, men have faster reaction time
>>66493330
>yuroboos actually believe this
>>66491412
THIS DOES NOT SLIP HERE
>>66493275
This. They deserve a greater slice of the revenue they bring in. It shouldn't be determined by "muh gender equality". If the market shows they have an increased demand, which they do because America loves watching winning teams, then start treating the people responsible for it better by bumping up their stakes in things.
No, it's 50000x times harder to win the Men's world cup compared to the women's world cup.
>>66493530
America loves watching winning men's teams
Only soccer moms and Anita Sarkeesian watch the women's game seriously
>>66491196
They should play against each other.
The winner gets more money. That's fair.
>>66493827
I don't even like divegrass, but this I would watch
Why can't Donovan stop being a beta faggot for once?
>>66493827
>tfw the "most dominant team in soccer" gets BTFO by Mix Diskerud, Jozy Altdontscore and the merry band of MLS
>>66491258
>750 million
Omg
>>66493882
Klinsmann did nothing wrong
>>66493827
They should play the winner of the world cup
>>66493942
Why bring a third party into it?
Women claim they should get paid equally. Well then fine, then they need to perform about equally.
And we all know the Women would get roasted 10 or more to nil in such a game.
>>66493973
Because they claim to be the best overall in the world. The men beat Germany C, so it's something you can directly measure
>>66493108
why are there no qts like this in my team's stadium? just a bunch of chunky fat girls with dyed hair
>>66494015
Well I expect the men would lose about 2-0 or 3-0 in a proper game.
The women would lose, well, 20-0 or something.
>>66491355
underrated post
>>66494069
Let the SJW public at large realize that. Field that same team and when they call it at halftime this thread isn't even a topic of discussion
>>66493275
That's exactly what they're suing about.
That does carry more weight, but would have negative consequences for the future of men's soccer in the US.
So you think a the best u-15 team in the world could beat the US women's national team?
How low in age can we go?
>>66494419
u15 because puberty
>>6649441
My wife's 8 year old mixed race son could score a hat trick against the USWNT
>>66494419
>>66494478
and that's also when they start playing on full pitches
>>66494419
The US u15s beat them. I'm pretty sure they'd get fucked by any mediocre youth team
>put out an inferior less profitable and popular product
>expect equal pay
excuse me? when did we suspend reason?
>>66491196
surprised the womyn even get a bonus for qualifying for the world cup
>>66494640
Feminist have been chiseling away for centuries now. Today's society makes it easier for this to become a plausible thing. One day you're going to walk into a restaurant and you're going to see a bathroom for three separate genders.
>>66491196
>who brings in the most money
I hope everyone realizes that this is only continuing until they lose a friendly. And if they don't gold medal the Olympics, people will cry that they're overturned failures.
>>66491196
Can we stop for a moment and note that a World Cup win for the US men is worth only 9.3 million.
>>66491196
No, they should make more because they are more fun to watch and more successful
https://youtu.be/FZaGWGAMjus
>>66491196
>demand share of men's WC global ad rev $$
>federation separates into two entities and women stand alone
is that allowed? I'm guessing no, but it would be funny
Daily reminder that loneliness is a season ending injury in women's sport
What the women are paid, what the women should be paid, and what the men are paid are three different numbers entirely.
What the men are paid is irrelevant to what the women should be paid. While they may be playing the same game, it's two different sports altogether.
>>66491196
HAHAHAHA
They should complain once they stop losing 12-0 to the men's U-17 team.
>>66492033
1) its literally not followed by more people in the US
2) the US is not the source of income from which the men get paid.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/us-soccers-wage-gap-is-americas-shame
>The one thing that makes the US a better soccer country than anywhere else in the world is that we are not soccer sexists. The game is still so new in America that old misogynist attitudes about women and sports, built over decades in other lands, do not exist here.
>The fact that any girl in the US can dream of someday being an international soccer star gives this country a moral superiority the rest of the world should want to match.
>>66494939
Whoa.
That is very arrogant, even by our media's standards.
>>66494939
holy shit man. I'm actually pretty liberal and do recognize that ladies have to deal with some bullshit, but then you have fucking loudmouth tools like this just jamming up the works and undermining any credibility of the people involved.
You wanna talk about some real bullshit, then look at the guaranteed contracts and money in baseball contracts compared to football contracts. NFL players are getting FUCKED.
>>66491196
>Women are really this dumb?
Yes
>>66495001
NFLPA is a fucking joke
>>66491227
Sigh... you are what is wrong with everything.
Feelings are not the determining factor when it comes to payment.
1) before USSF does anything they should FIRE JERKING KLANSMAN TODAY, why wait for him to lose every game at the FIFA, the USSF needs to be dissolved period and someone else needs to run that shit, but back to the topic at hand.
2) National teams should play for free for the love of America and any payment should be handled by the tournament organizers IE FIFA
3) but since it's not the Women should be payed a higher percentage of the revenue they bring than our men's team because they win
4) any work stoppage by the USWNT should see the entire squad replaced, here's why they have no power, I'm pretty sure the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best 24 player rosters in women soccer are also American and would jump at the chance to play internationally for Team USA,supply and demand, there is a demand for performance for the USMNT and with the Women's team there's a near endless supply of scab players to fill a competitive team.
>>66494880
kek
>There have been bongs who unironically retired due to shit like this.
>>66495020
but they should be desu. people really cherrypicked the genius of adam smith and removed the important element of moral obligation when applying his theories. one of the greatest shames of modern western thought.
>>66494939
this has to be fucking satire
How much money did the USMNT make in 2014 versus the USWNT in 2015? Anyone have figures?
>>66494880
more like katy feels desu
>>66495044
By his logic, we should have defunded the USWNT when they lost the 2011 WC. Honestly they should be seeking this money from their clubs instead of attacking the king of sports supplementary income
>>66494939
This is typical American nationalism from......the guardian?
>>66494998
It's a British paper.
>>66495066
i wouldn't say that naturally follows by the logic, but under certain conditions, thats a potential conclusion, sure.
>>66491362
As other anons have said in this thread, soccer is an entertainment business. While the competition might be weaker in the women's game, Americans will obviously gravitate toward winners. It's shallow, but most audiences would rather see the women win the finals instead of the men draw and lose twice over their last 3 WC games. Also consider that Americans hardly know what good football really is.
>>66495001
>>66495011
The NFLPA is in a tough position. 90% of them are so interchangeable in the eyes of the fans that they have no bargaining power ("the helmet effect"). Basketball is in the exact opposite situation, which is why the NBA's players are about to see a massive salary increase. And the baseball player's union is just really well run, and they've proven that they can hurt the owners more than the owners can hurt them. Just look at the strike and how it hurt the league's popularity, but player contracts started increasing to ridiculous levels anyway.
This is bigger than sports lads.
So fucking tired of sjw propaganda baka.
>>66495118
They're right. Its about money, just like everything.
>>66494939
>de guardian
>>66491196
No because women's soccer will literally die if they do. They can't magically make the money to pay them with. Jesus christ.
>>66495113
i think the nature of the game and the big rosters also mean that the NFLPA has to use a lot of its negotiating to look after the shittier players. There are simply more of them and they are more vulnerable because lots of the mediocre players genuinely are interchangeable. and have such short careers.
>>66495176
>USWNT wins, get paid more than men
>USWNT goes bankrupt, men go on
Nothing of value will be lost.
>tim howard on espn today
>on his "big" move to MLS, kek
>ask him what he thinks of the women's lawsuit
>"we support their mission, they are going through exactly what we did a few years back"
>on the real though, I don't support them because they'd be taking money directly out of my own pocket
>Revenue
2014 Men: $17 million
2014 Women: $7 million
2015 Men: $27 million
2015 Women: $5 million
2016 (proj) Men: $21 million
2016 (proj) Women: $26 million
2017 (proj) Men: $9 million
2017 (proj) Women: $17 million
Total:
USMNT: $74 million
USWNT: $55 million
>>66495307
much closer than i thought desu
>makes over 2gorillion dollars playing a fucking game
>MORE.JPG
>Playing in a pool where like 80% of the rest of the teams are like middle school tier quality
>Bulldoze your way through the competition to the semifinals
>Face some level of competition during the semis but still get through and win it all
>Repeat ever four years unless there is an off year like 2011
>WE DESERVE MORE MONEY
I'll give them playing surface and hotel accommodations. But most people don't care about the women's game. Those stadiums were half full for most games with the exception of the semi's/championship.
In fairness, I should have paid some money for watching the womens world cup. The 92nd minute own goal by England ending in them losing, and the countless hilarious goals through the tournament made me laugh much more than any comedians DVD ever did.
>>66495357
it's every 2 years, realistically. The olympics are just as big a deal as WC for women.
also, anyone making the "difficulty of competition" or "difficulty of sport" argument is directly opposed to all the people making the neo-classical argument. Ya'll should be at each others throats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6fp95uGfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFCd4ZOTVg4
Replace Canada with US Women's Soccer and it's pretty much the same
>>66495402
Is the olympics not a youth competition for women?
>>66495469
only for the boys, weirdly enough
>>66492033
We already have enough illogical and misguided SJWs within our borders. Go away, Nigel(a).
>>66495469
Abby Wambach has been in every Olympics, so probably not.
>>66491258
It took 1 minute for people to realize the game that was on was being played by women and after that instantly stopped watching.
>>66495746
>>66495469
mens is U23+3 over iirc
>>66494939
>>66494998
>>66494999
>>66495049
>>66495081
>>66495163
please.dont.give.clicks.to.this.dickhead
Seriously, no free lunch applies even online. By viewing stuff that's absolute horseshit you're telling media corporations you want to see more of it
Post female soccer qts
>muh WC final numbers
are they seriously just ignoring the unbelivably obviously massive difference between the entire football infrastructures that lead up to that one fucking game every four years? men's football is the #1 most popular sport in the world by far. women's soccer is probably on par with fucking kayaking or something. jesus. you can't just isolate the one game like that.
>>66495872
i mean, you can if you are trying to persuade poorly informed people into awarding you more munny
>>66495307
What the fuck is this? Why are women projected to be making more if the men have doubled/quintupled them the last two years?
>>66495889
that only works for internet patreons and kickstarters though, a major football association is not gonna just start handing out fucking soccer welfare because of hurt feelings
>>66495908
because the men are projected to not make the next 20 World Cups.
Not even joking, but I reckon /sp/ could put together its best 11 and beat the USWNT
I thought he was a Cali SJW?
>>66495307
things that actually happened (FY14 and 15): men dominating
made up bullshit: women dominating
feminism everyone
Who /neverwatchingwwc/ again here
>>66495982
So does he believe the opposite as well, since they don't generate more money?
>>66495982
Based Landycakes. Truly the GOAT
>>66493827
That's the old Germany I know, not the cuck version that keeps creeping up from time to time now.
>>66491226
Spot the idiot, trying to compare men's vs. women's WC difficulty
>>66495943
It's typical for full women's national teams to scrimmage against U17 teams. Not the U17 National Team, a random team of boys under 17, usually a local U17 team.
>>66496012
kek who /neverwatchedwwc/ here?
If this BS keeps going, there will one day be a "mixed" NT and all hope will be lost.
>>66495839
No age restrictions on age for women
Median age was about 28 and average was about 29
>>66496025
He's said that they need to be in their own brackets instead of compared to the men. So most likely yes.
>>66496116
And in those mixed NTs it's just going to be 6 males vs 6 males while the female players run around for a bit.
>>66491196
The men's team could benefit from this, just agree that the federation shouldn't give the incentives directly, instead make a deal with the tv providers, and have them give the incentives as a percentage of ad revenue
Probably the federation could lose some money, by not handling the money just themselves, but fuck those jews
\>>66495930
Seriously? Are they that poorly informed?
>>66495982
i bet if klinsmann were on the side of fair pay he'd be on the equal pay bandwagon, fucking overrated cunt
Between women and blacks we got ppl bitching about shit every goddamn day. Getting to be unbearable s.mh
>>66491258
>>750 million watched 1min+ of 2015 WWC
no fucking way
Why don't straight male pornstars sue their porn companies?
They're getting on average 3 to 4 times less than what their female co-stars are earning per shoot.
For normal people that makes sense, because around 80% of porn viewers are straight men who couldn't care less about who fucks those porn sluts. Women in porn have much more value, generate much more of the revenue and hence it's absolutely okay that they're getting more money.
But by feminist logic, it's simply sexist and the porn males should demand "equal pay"
>>66495176
Women's team made $20 million more than the men's team in 2015
Landon Donovan is getting shit on by ppl on twitter calling him sexist for this tweet. What the fuck is wrong with ppl omg
The players should be paying the FA for giving them the opportunity to increase their marketing value.
Nike wouldn't care about a bunch of 6/10 bulldykes if it weren't for the World Cup.
How long till wnba players get a wild hair up their cooch and demand to be paid the same as nba players?
If women actually watched women's sport maybe there would be more parity in pay.
>>66496012
>>66496102
I'm only watching when germany or nordic countries play, they have some qts, other than that I never watch it 2bh
>>66496350
Pls don't tell me this is going to be made a big topic in American media, after which John Oliver will dedicate an entire fucking episode on this bullshit.
>it's 2016, come on, logic doesn't matter
>>66496406
I tried watching Mexico in the last one. Never again, they were awful.
>>66495982
cucknovan is already backpedalling.
>>66496397
They would still be crying about the gender gap in spending power.
>>66496392
Been waiting for that. It's the day when Silver tells them to go fuck themselves and pulls out.
>>66496416
everyone is, seriously my 10 yo cousin has better ball control than any of the senior woman players, the worst offenders are the keepers, they are so bad it makes me cringe
>>66491196
Triggers me so much. Why can't these women not understand basic economics? Has anyone ever taught them any of this? If the demand to watch women play soccer isn't as significant as watching men play soccer than obviously they won't make as much. If a women's world cup stadium has half the attendance and a quarter of the TV viewership then who would give them this money? FIFA would put themselves in the red just to pay them their "fair share"? Who dictates this fairness?
>>66496456
>Expecting Womens' Studies majors in college to actually know practical shit
It's like asking an NFL player how a 401k works
>>66496350
Everyone always shits on him, he could say he likes water and people would call him a faggot for it
>>66496508
I think you're confusing Donovan with Jurgen Klinnsman
>this is where feminism ended up
ahahahahahahahahaha
when do they demand WNBA get paid the same as Lebron?
>>66496575
if they win this, shortly after
>>66491196
Tbqh familia the "making the team" bonus should be identical but the payoffs for success should be different since women's soccer is a joke competitively. $75k or $40k won't stop an elite male player from joining the team.
>>66495084
>While the competition might be weaker in the women's game, Americans will obviously gravitate toward winners.
Then Americans are idiot who couldn't spot quality if it hit them right square in the face.
>Americans will obviously gravitate toward winners.
>winners
You're not the "winner" if you're the only one playing...
>>66496626
DESU that should be chump change for a male player. 176k for making to the world cup and going out in Group stage, that's less than half a week wages for Wayne Rooney.
>>66495850
Okay, you start.
>>66491196
So do they have a chance to win the suit and get paid the same to lose to teenagers?
>>66494058
Because you're from Portland.
>>66493315
reaction time in men is around .25-.3 seconds, so you're retarded and wrong.
Women aren't as far back at reaction time as they are at just about every other physical task, so there's that I guess.
http://www.odec.ca/projects/2011/leewa2/results.html
If they can prove that they actually make more money than the mens team, on a consistent basis, then whatever, fine.
Even if they lose to high school boys, the name of the game is money.
What I'm worried about is this thought process attempting to translate to others. WNBA, Women's Golf, Softball.. are not money makers
>>66496759
Probably not. The biggest hole is the fact the women are payed on a 4 year basis and men are paid by game, so they will analyze how much revenue/popularity was generated in a 4 year basis, the women's case wrongly comparing and skewing the numbers/facts, and the fact that they are facing US Soccer which most likely has a better defense, lawyers, etc.
>>66492357
>The wnba
They're propped up by the nba, else they would lose money and go out of business
>>66496925
Muh new waifu
>>66494681
Or be charged more because of your gender
You fucking shills. Of course women deserve more money because they play an attractive game and actually win. Men just exist to keep them down. We should be helping them achieve their goals. It's disgusting that women have to fight for equal wages when they should probably get payed a lot more than men for all the oppression they've suffered. I discussed this last night with my wife's son and he totally agreed
>>66496661
IIRC didn't you host the wwc last year?
>>66497245
I think so. And yes, we're just as stupid as you guys are, maybe even moreso.
>>66496508
What did Don O. Van say about water? Fuck him, he is wrong fucking faggot.
Women's team doesn't exist outside of World Cup and Olympic years. They have a much smaller fanbased. The main sports media and "female activists" only talk about the team when they're in a tournament.
Also, compared to the rest of the world they're treated like royalty. A lot of people in our sports media and delusional SJW's dont understand just how good the US Women's team have it. In other countries women's soccer(football) is considered a joke and not funded.
>>66497331
"Give a (wo)man an inch, and they'll take a mile"
There's a BBC/cuck joke in here somewhere as well, I think.
>>66495118
>bigger than sports
I'm all for equal pay in the workplace, but sports are completely different. It's basic supply and demand. Same as actors and anything else where the people pay directly for performance.
>>66491196
If the women want to make more, they should probably go play with the men, if that's where the money is. Unless they aren't good enough to play with the men. But equality...
I must admit to watching the USWNT's games only because i thought solo and morgan are cute.
But roast beef aside i don't think it's a smart move by these players to ask for equal play, the kitchen league will die and they will become part time players as the rest of the world.
>>66496925
>that heavy makeup
ughh 2/10
>>66497554
Solo is absolutely disgusting m8, inside and out.
Nobody watches the women's game. Should AFL players make the same as NFL players?
>Both national teams are required to play 20 friendly games a year and earn more if they win. But a male player who loses all the games would make $100,000 while a woman would make $99,000 for winning all, the complaint said.
>Both national teams are required to play 20 friendly games a year and earn more if they win. But a male player who loses all the games would make $100,000 while a woman would make $99,000 for winning all, the complaint said.
99 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR!!!
>implying the result of a friendly should matter
>>66497810
20 games is quite a lot. I'd say the average euro national team (and probably many south americans) plays ~8 games a year
>>66497620
She's an aryan goddess compared to the chiapanecas he has to stomach watching every day.
She has a disgusting pussy and tits.
>we project to generate more money than the men in one particular year that hasn't happened yet
This is the actual basis of their case. fucking LOL
That logic also sets them up for the reciprocal: If they lose money at some point in the future, do they not get paid? After all, business - and sports is certainly business - is about risk and reward.
Sunil Gulati is a beta so he'll settle on some form of a compromise.
>You can shut up the SJWs by showing that the U.S. women make around 400% more on average than any women's international team and talk white privilege
>W-we're talking about OUR women
>cunts get revenue sharing
>they start wearing volleyball shorts and gymnastics leotard to boost ratings
literally everybody wins
>According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.
>According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.
>According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.
>According to the Wall Street Journal, there was $17 million in sponsor revenue for this year's women's World Cup compared to $529 million for the 2014 men's tournament. America's winning women earned a larger share, about 11%, of the money their tournament made this year from sponsors than the victorious German team, who got just 6.6% of the sponsor revenue from last year's men's World Cup as their prize.
SHUT THESE FEMANAZIS DOWN
WOMEN HAVE ZERO CONCEPT OF BUSINESS
THEY'RE GREEDY PIGS WHO ARE HURTING THEIR OWN PEERS TRYING TO PROMOTE THE WOMENS GAME ACROSS THE GLOBE
Both men and women should earn the same % of the revenue they make.
So, lets say, 5% each. That's fair, right? They're now being paid equally and the fault lands with the fact nobody gives a fucking shit.
>>66491196
April fools!!
>>66495307
how is the projection for women for this year higher? with the copa america centenario coming up surely it would mean the men's team will bring in a lot of money since it'll be a pretty big tournament in the u.s. nontheless.
>>66498482
It didn't fit their narrative so they just ignored it.
I've been waiting all day to get home from work and read this thread
>>66495307
Wait they are actually going to present these "projections" in court??
there is no money in women's sports, where do they expect it to come from?
>>66496321
This post >>66495307 seem to contradict that.
Why don't they have the MNT play the WNT and base the salaries on the score?
>>66495081
>@Lescarpenter
>Verified account
>Sports writer at the Guardian US
Here's an archive link: https://archive.is/Y1WAU
>>66499904
Feel the Bern magic economics
Why do all sjw suffer from a poor education? Even the ones who studied at a "liberal arts college" are about as informed as potato, and as arrogant as a butternut squash. How fucking condescending to think that the whole structure of capitalist meritocracy should be reduced to "gender lines" and "diversity quotas". Do women deserve to get paid the same amount as men? I don't know, probably it's a pretty vague context-less question. Do all women deserve to get paid the same amount for the same service? Hell no, there are radical differences in the quality of work and you should be paid based upon what you deliver, not who you are.
Just because you work at the best mcdonalds in the world doesn't mean you deserve to make as much as an executive chef at a five star restaurant. Sure, they're both cooks, but one can sustain meaningful employment based on the objective merit of their work, and the other requires meticulous bureaucracy to be successful.
>>66496626
The 'making the team' bonus should be related to the size of the talent pool.
>>66495307
the lawsuit should be thrown out based on these imaginary projections alone
>>66500349
Gulati already corroborated that the Mens team brought more than 2x the amount of the women with their losing season. Can't wait for the backlash the women get.
>>66496450
no fucking way this is real. the subs are fake or this is satire right?
>>66496407
Of course it will. It's women. They do whatever they want, ask for whatever they want, get whatever they want.
We are a facade of an "equal rights" society, "equal" = artificially give us everything we want with none of the drawbacks or responsibility.
>She does it for free
>>66496321
when feminists quote you stats or numbers, always, always, always check their math
>muh equality
>women doesn't play again men
Is this a joke?
I'm all for women equality but this is fucking retarded.
>>66501131
Rare pepe
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>women are better than man
>play more games than men cuz they're not shit and actually win games
>people give a fuck about the women's team unlike the men (who hipsters love but who cares)
>soccer is undeniably a homosexual and female game in America
>revenue intake projections are actually very similar
They're arguing for equal pay (which is dumb). They should be arguing for FAIR PAY which would be MORE than the men are making.
Stupid people always sell themselves short. USWNT are a valuable American team.
>>66502726
I literally have no idea if they'd be making more then man but this is definitely what they should ask for. Soccer is a buisness. They should be paid in relation to what they generate, end of discussion.
>>66502726
A man's loss in a friendly is literally worth more overall (TV, Tickets, Merch, Snacks) than the entire WWC.
Also, the Womens' team is a joke that tries to take itself seriously.
https://twitter.com/Floresjr_/status/194565600402612224
https://twitter.com/Floresjr_/status/194563542622543872
>>66502726
MNT u17s 8, WNT 2
Stuttgary u16s 3, German WNT 0
>>66502770
>>66502790
>Memeior Flores scored a brace against the USWNT
That's literally all you need to know about the quality of women's soccer
>>66491458
This, the fact that they have to get the courts involved means that they aren't worth what they are asking, if they were they could quit and find someone that will pay
>>66494880
I can't imagine the backlash a male player would receive if he sat out an entire season
>>66492033
How does it feel to be utterly destroyed?
>>66502726
>spouts a bunch of memes
>provides horribly inaccurate descriptions of everything
>has terrible opinions
truly a quote-worthy post. If you're trolling, well done. Maybe the most cringeworthy post in this entire shitty thread,
I have no problem with athletes representing a country getting paid a similar base level because at the end of the day you're just a citizen putting on some colors for your nation, but I do think men should get paid more for their achievements as they bring in more revenue and are ultimately large-scale ambassadors for the country.
Athletes should be laid based on revenue generation. Ronda rousey was the highest paid fighter at one point. Not because dana white wanted brownie points but because she brought the most revenue in. No other fighters saw a single problem with this. The WNT is just triggered no one gives a fuck about their shitty sport.
>>66491196
>regularly get their asses handed to them by scrub amateur boys teams
>expect to get paid the same as an actual professional mens team
G'damn women are stupid, self absorbed creatures that give two shits about anything but themselves.
Disband both of the teams. Problem solved.
>Reminder that this woman is a paid professional athlete yet she has balloons implanted into her chest that slow her down and impede her success
She literally gets paid to run around and pose for pictures.
>>66491309
As much as we burgers dont like soccer, if the US even got to the semifinals everyone and their cousin would be watching that shit and on the bandwagon.
>mfw when so many people fail to understand basic economics
>>66492880
>why don't they go on strike and say they won't pay until they play better
>>66500185
Looks like them niggas didn't pay to see the game.
There is literally no way that the women generate more revenue than the men.
Not a chance.
Even with 2015 being a world cup year for women, I would still be very surprised if women generated anywhere near the same money as the men.
Are there any actual sources on the "women earned 20 million more revenue" or is that just a meme?
>>66504090
lel what a retarded cunt she is
>>66491196
The market somewhat makes the prices.
Revenue is important.
If nobody gives a fuck about you then you don't deserve any money no matter how good you are.
Even if the woman national team was better than the men at soccer.
Which they are not.
Comparatively to their own gender yes but we are talking about GENDER EQUALITY right?
If Schalkes team played an amateur tournament and shit on everyone do you think they can demand more money from their boss because there are more "successful" than other teams?
They only one I think they could have a point with is the making the World Cup roster.
That's the only area where it's at least kind of equatable.
>>66491355
aw shit war criminal bantic bringing the heat
>>66494419
germany's WC winning female team lost 2-0 to a bundesliga's u-13 side some ten years ago or so
>>66506990
imo Phillip, that figure should be decreased, same as the mens.
Make it an honour to play for your country, not a career goal to pay the rent.
>>66507092
I kind of agree, but at the same time if I made the team and got injured in training and that affected me next season id be pissed if i got no compensation.
I think they should at least get paid the same base salary as other national-team athletes do. I mean don't Olympic athletes get paid the same certain amount for competing for the US, but different bonuses based on how they place? It seems to be working for the Olympic teams so far.
>>66507051
hory keks, that must have been humiliating
As a woman, no.
>>66491196
Depends, are they as valuable as the men's team?
Most people prefer to watch the men's event, so obviously it draws in a much larger total revenue from ticket sales/advertising/tv rights etc. So it's natural that the men would have higher salaries.
who am I?
>>66502726
>revenue intake projections are actually very similar
>projections
>>66504033
>he thinks "they get beat by teens" is an actual argument
literally the male version of the "muh feels" argument
>>66509477
>he thinks it's not
>>66491215
Uh, the women's team set the highest ratings for soccer in U.S. history, men or women. In terms of worldwide revenue, yeah, it's not even close, but in the U.S., the women are more successful than the men. Not surprising, considering the men suck.
Is Title IX ultimately cuckolding?
>>66509477
It's called standards, and performance standards don't care about your feels.
>>66509712
Now imagine how many more views that would have had if they were the men.
They still make much less and deserve much less money than the men, everyone should get a percentage of the profits they bring and as it is the women get a higher percentage than the men. They just bring less profit in
>>66491196
>Looking to get paid to play for your national team
Fucking disgusting this is exactly what's wrong with football
>>66509712
For one match. The actual viewing numbers in STILL in favor of the men.
Literally no metric besides "projected revenue" do the women beat the men.
>>66491196
No.
Doesn't generate the same amount of money, they're also worse.
>>66512734
Income should be supplementary at best. If you miss a game, they pay your wage that game. These dykes don't understand that it's a privilege to be called up to your national team.
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