Without using >muh rings, prove to me that Curry is better than Kevin Durant
>>66178866
Kevin Durant
>Cursed by Lil B
>No Bitches
There you go
Without using >muh rings, prove to me that LeBron is better than Kevin Durant
>>66178866
Reigning MVP and in the way of repeating + having the scoring title and +70 wins.
>>66179001
>repeated DPOTY
>multiple legacies with multiple franchises
>>66179012
KD was MVP as well
And 70 wins are a team win
>>66178866
Everyone that watches basketball knows KD is better. Even with totally ignoring defense arguments.
>>66179025
>>repeated DPOTY
wait.. who was a repeated DPOTY? because no one mentinoed in this thread thus far has a DPOY award
Curry is not a huge beta like Durant
>>66179025
>repeated DPOTY
>>66179025
>repeated DPOTY
>>66179060
>>66179048
LeBron should've won in 08-09 and 13-14. He was the real DPOY
Durant is 7 inches taller, with 16 inches wider wingspan, and still shoots 50/40/90.
>>66179025
>KD was MVP
didn't know this argument was for 2014.
Curry doesn't get cucked on a daily basis by Westbrook.
>>66179074
Lebron was never more than a solid weak-side defender. The only player he ever locked down was 50 year old Pierce. Most overrated defender in history of NBA.
>>66179088
KD was a much more deserving MVP than Curry stealing an MVP from James Harden
>>66179074
Curry should've won too, then. He was the real DPOY!
>>66178866
Let me know if this is just another Curry hate thread
>>66179132
Tasty looking bait desu
>>66179146
Curry is 30th out of all starting PG's in defense.
>Not cursed by Based God
>Isn't beta
>Better shooter
>Better handles
>Quicker
>MVP
>Breaks record on a weekly basis
>Top scorer
>Leading a team to the best regular season record in history
>Isn't autistic
>Is young
>Accepted by his team mates as the alpha male
>More clutch
>Unironically has more offensive rebounds
>Lower TOV%
>Better by every Cumulative advanced stat (PER, WS, WS/48, BPM, VORP)
>Dropped 46 and 33 the 2 last times they faced
>Married, not a lonely fuck
Quick question: if Durant actually is retarded enough to go to Golden State, would it become his team?
I personally think KD has (had) almost a ceilingless potential, but curry has proven over and over again that he's just clutch as fuck and ice cold under pressure.
I'd take Curry on my team just because I know for a fact he wants to be the guy that gets the ball and takes the shot, that confidence/ability to perform is huge
>>66179220
naw, he'll have a reduced role, and his defense will become more important. He very well still could get 25ppg without hurting anyone else's production though. But GS has such an effective bench right now idk if I'd give that up for KD
>>66179242
Not a good deal for both sides
>>66179151
>implying he isn't right
>>66179334
>he
>>66179202
Fucking bandwagoners, seriously.
Check their ages, m80
>>66179220
If Durant leaves OKC, he would be giving up $100+ million.
He'd have to be a fucking moron to give up that much money to be a glorified role player in GSW. That's why most people think he'll be a Laker
Durant has only missed the playoffs twice in his career
Curry has only made the playoffs 3 times in his career
>>66179371
My bad senpai, remembered Curry had a birthday on the 14th and bkref showed both were 27.
Forgot it was as of feb 1
>>66179424
I think he will take a one year extension and go for 2017 FA when salary cap goes up and see his options. Lakers will want him but that could change if they get Ingram or Simmons. At least if the rumors of him wanting lots of management control are true.
>>66179371
>>66179459
And I'm not even A GS fan, Timberwolves here
>>66179478
No problem, anon.
But the thing is that being youger Duran has been a star for years and Curry only became one last year
>>66179549
KD has never been at the level curry has been at for the last 2 years
Durant made the finals at age 23
Curry had to wait until he was 27 to make it
Let me know who's better
Durant's won 43 playoff games in his career
Curry has only been to 41 playoff games
kd is a beta who hates pressure and will defer to Westbrook at any chance
>>66179637
True, Durant was always at least somewhat capable at defense. What's the point of scoring 30 if you give up 25? Warriros wouldn't lose to Lakers if Curry was capable of guarding a rookie PG that has to run non-existant offense because of a clueless coach that is tanking.
>>66179664
for a while curry was leading the league in steals and is currently 5th. He also has a ridiculous amount of fast break points from them
>>66179682
2 steals in a game stop 8 points at best. And that's being very generous with implying that those shots will be made plus a free throw. Steals don't mean shit. Russell and Clarkson made couple of bad passes and Curry did well to intercept but what matters is everything else and Curry couldn't do shit to stop that. And his attempt at defending Kobe for a while was comical to say the least. And that's 40 yr old Kobe.
Curry is currently 19th in defensive win shares, 3rd among point guards. Curry-has-no-defense is a meme.
>>66179722
err even 4ppg from steals would be a lot. Do you know your shit brah?
>>66179745
We know everyone else in his team is good at D but that doesn't make him good at it. Kukoc had great defensive win shares but he did nothing defensively. He even ran away from potential flops and offensive foul calls.
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>>66178866
>>66178866
Durant is a beta bitch that will always be #2 on a team.
That was easy.
>>66179755
If you are implying that 2spg makes you a good defender you should literally kill yourself.
>>66179767
Want me to post all the games that Durant raped the Warriors?
That's why the Warriors are on their knees begging for Durant to come to their shit team. Curry isn't a real leader. Durant is
>>66179777
It helps make a player that has curry's role on defense a valuable defensive asset. Obv he's not gonna be rejecting guys at the rim
>>66179803
You realize that defense isn't just steals and blocks? Bowen never lead the league at steals, or Battier etc but they were great defenders. Curry is complete shit defensively. That doesn't make him a bad player since his offense is godlike but he isn't a complete player.
>>66179787
>That's why the Warriors are on their knees begging for Durant
Literally no one wants him. Only east-coast media are shilling this because it's theoretically possible and they don't understand why the Warriors are so good since they've been following Lebron the past decade.
>>66178866
>7 footer with zero post game
Durr I'll work on my fadeaway jumper all day today
>>66179549
I know, comparing overall Durant has been playing on a higher level.
But when you compare peak to peak or by current level, it has to be Curry.
>>66179803
>defense is nothing but steals and blocks
>>66178866
Durant literally isn't even the best player on his team
westbrook takes over games, durcant doesn't
>>66179849
>implying it doesn't work
>implying it won't age well and he won't be averaging 30 ppg at age 38
>implying post fade away wasn't used by all great scorers of all time
>>66179829
>>66179872
Quit taking what Im saying as absolutes, I never said that's all there is to defense. If you actually watched the game you'd realize he really only plays a perimeter defense which isnt as involved. As long as he makes the guy make a difficult shot he did his job.
>>66179996
>Obv he's not gonna be rejecting guys at the rim
That makes it sound like blocking is the only other aspect of defense.
>As long as he makes the guy make a difficult shot he did his job.
And that's what I've been saying this whole time. He is shit at doing just that. That's why other guards score on him constantly. He can read passing lanes but so can any PG in the league. Lockdown D is what matters, making the other guard score 15 at best. That's how Artest was playing for his career, Bowen, etc. Thunder miss Sefolosha, a guy like that.
>>66180030
Locking guys down 1v1 is a defensive skill that is much less important in today's game considering there is way more ball and player movement and not endless iso's all game. It's about being a great team and help defender while not completely breaking your own defense down. He does just fine at those things.
Who would've been lead the team better?
Iverson or Curry
if you put them on current Golden State, they had similar assists numbers and non of the really change the game by anything other than scoring
both mediocre defenders who racked up steals by reading the passing lanes
I feel like Iverson would cause far less speed bumps in a playoff setting, because if Curry were to repeat anything he did in the last finals again, he'll be the best chucker to win 2 rings, while on the other hand Iverson doesn't need 6/20 from 3 just to get his game going, he rely on his handy dandy mid range jumper all game
>>66180092
>Locking guys down 1v1 is a defensive skill that is much less important in today's game considering there is way more ball and player movement and not endless iso's all game.
ISO is literally used for a great 1v1 player that can't be defended solo, so why would lockdown be more used for that? Literally doesn't make any sense.
>>66180092
>much less important in today's game
no it isn't. You can't helphelphelp your way to wins, you need players that can actually guard their man
>>66179638
>Won 43 playoff games
>Made Finals at 23, choked, and got BTFO by Lelbron
>Got BTFO by the fucking Grizzles in the Semi Finals next year
>Get BTFO by Spurs in the WCF the next
Jesus
>>66180223
>choked
didn't see that series, huh?
Westbrook and Harden choked
>Got BTFO by Grizzlies and Spurs
the only thing KD is doing wrong right now is staying with fucking OKC
>>66179996
I don't think he's a bad defender, It's just that that's what your post implied
>>66180030
Even if we ignore the fact that tactics today can cover for a bad defender easily, Curry actually drops the shooting percentage of the player he's guarding by 4.2%, meaning that he's noticeably better than the average defender.
Talking perimeter D, it becomes 4.7%, even better.
Kawhi, a supposedly elite defender, keeps them 5.0% under their average, not that big of a difference.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12648764/how-stephen-curry-developed-top-flight-defender
>>66180223
Yes, Durant has won more playoff games than Curry has even been in
Even if Curry lucks into another Chip this year, he'll still have only 37 playoff games won as opposed to Durant's current 43 (guaranteed to be AT LEAST 47 after BTFOing whatever scrub team in the first round)
>>66180321
>Winning lots of playoff games
>Have nothing to show for it
Are you seriously trying to imply that KD winning more playoff games is more impressive than Steph Curry and the Warriors repeating?
>>66180254
>yfw he stays there his whole career and his cheap ass owners surround him with dog shit for talent because nobody wants to live in bumfuck Oklahoma
>>66180321
>losing in the playoffs is better than winning cahmpionships
>>66180354
>>66180359
Winning is winning. A championship just means you got hot at the right time
>>66179096
Nah, most overrated is Larry Bird. He's a decent defender but people always talk about how he's so underrated that he's become overrated.
>>66178866
Curry hasn't choked away a series in the playoffs as a superstar yet
>>66180467
>getting raped by the Spurs
>getting raped by the Clippers
Sure
>>66180376
nice b8 you got there senpai, mind If I borrow it?
>>66180472
>Raped
Nobody expected that team to win 2 games against the Spurs and nobody thought that series against the Clippers would go 7 games without Andrew Bogut.
>>66179132
Let's say that is true, that I have fell for your bait.
First, he was more deserving than Durant in 2015. Second, he is more deserving this year so far.
What now, faggot?
>>66180525
Durant's PER is nearly equal to Curry, despite the fact that Durant's offensive game isn't one-dimensional
>>66180265
Are you seriously mentioning curry in the same breath as kawhi and implying that there isn't a big defensive gap between the two?
This is why the eye test still has its value and statistics can't be taken entirely at face value. Curry plays with superb perimeter defenders in iggy, klay, barnes, and dray, and both dray and bogut are good centers. They cover for him and also put fear into an offense because who wants to blow by curry only to get mauled by bogut or switched upon by a better defender?
>>66180472
>as a superstar
>yet
>meanwhile durant with multiple turnovers in the half court
>>66179454
Who is better now =/= who has had a better career
>>66180567
who has the better career =/= better player
>>66180555
No, I was just saying that Curry is a very good defender, Kawhi is obviously way better and more versatile.
>>66180542
>32.41
>27.89
>nearly equal
That's bigger than the difference between Lillard to Durant
Curry hasn't accomplished nearly as much as Durant.
That's indisputable.
>>66180542
Please stop.
>>66180731
What can Curry do that Durant can't?
>>66180739
everyone who guards Durant is at a mismatch
big men can't guard him because they're too slow on their feet
and lil guys can't guard him because of size, he requires a double team
Curry requires illegal screens
>>66180130
So the guy complaining about people throwing absolutes at him does the same thing? ISOs are far less prevelant in the NBA today. Teams that actually win championships pass. No one is going to isolate 25 times a game in the post or wing and win anything. Playing within the team defensive scheme and yes obviously not being blown by their man is what makes a great defender.
>>66180663
>very good
Don't get ahead of yourself. He's good at best.
>muh rings
I don't get why people say Curry is the GOAT or any good at all, nigga's 28 years old (same age as Messi) and he's only won 1 (one) ring
>>66183881
>exactly what was said about Michael Jordan
>>66183965
But Jordan already proved it, people saying Curry is better than Jordan are just talking about the future
I seriously doubt he can win 5 more rings
Why do people compare Jordan to Curry?
Stop doing that. You might as well compare 32 year old 2011 Dirk Nowitzki to Michael Jordan.
Just stop
>>66184025
>i use hindsight in my arguments
So you're dumb as shit. Cool.
>>66184415
>Unguardable
>about to get 72 wins
main reasons
>>66180739
Score more, it seems
>>66184686
>72 wins
>already has 6 losses
Uh huh
>>66178866
2 MVPS
>>66185033
Curry only has one MVP, tied with Durant
Duncan>Curry/Durant
Parker>Curry/Durant
Ginobili>Curry/Durant
Leonard>Curry/Durant
>>66185007
>6 losses
>Bulls had 7 at this point
K E K
E
K
>>66185612
Yeah but the 95-96 Bulls raped the shit out of elite teams
The 15-16 Warriors lose to shit teams
>>66186392
>Bulls rape elite teams
>Warriors lose to shit teams
so who the fuck did the Bulls lose to and who did the Warriors lose to with that logic?
>>66186447
who did the warriors beat**
>>66186470
Not the Bucks
Not the Mavericks
Not the Nuggets
Not the Pistons
Not the Blazers
Not the Lakers
You learn more about the teams they lost to than the teams they beat
>>66186519
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/532021-records-the-only-70-win-team-ever-looking-at-the-1996-bulls-10-losses
>Toronto
>Charlotte
>Miami
>Nuggets
>Pacers x2
if you argue any of these teams are good, then you would probably also argue in the next 20 years that a team like Milwaukee, Mavs, Pistons, or Blazers were good
also in the next 20 years after Dangelo becomes a superstar this will be a twinkle of greatness from his rookie season, so in the end they are about equal depending on their next few losses if they even lose
>>66186392
Warriors dropped 120 on one of the best teams of all times
>>66179166
No he isn't
>>66180472
Weren't Curry's Warriors literally the only Western Conference team to win any games against the Spurs in the playoffs that year ?
>>66180706
But Durant isn't the one with a ring
ITT: people who are butthurt about Curry always raping their teams
>>66178964
>>66178866
Last year if Durant played for the Warriors with no Curry, they wouldn't have won a ring, in fact they wouldn't have gotten past the 2nd round of the playoffs.
If Curry played for OKC this year with no Durant, and moved to SG...they would have the best record in the NBA.
When Durant farts, the room stinks.
When Curry farts, flowers bloom and the sun shines
Curry>Durant
>>66178866
>Its 2016
2015 Curry> 2015 Durant
2016 Curry>>2016 Durant
>>66179132
>MVP
>James Harden
>KEK!!!
>>66179166
You don't get points for rebounds, steals, blocks. You don't need great defense when your team is murdering on offense.
>>66179220
Why is this "Durant to OKC" bs being pushed so heavily? Golden State have no reason to go for it, they have the perfect team. At best, Durant would slightly improve them, at worst, he would ruin the team's chemistry and not fit into Kerr's system. Durant would be giving up a huge amount of money, and on top of that he'd have to play second fiddle to Curry. It makes no sense for anyone involved.
>>66179166
>Curry is 30th out of all starting PG's in defense.
He's 5th in steals and 3rd in defensive rebounds.
>>66180542
>Durant's PER is nearly equal to Curry
>Curry currently has the greatest PER of all time
>>66179202
>Is Young
>implying KD is a year(s) older than Curry
You have no right to talk about basketball anymore. It's really obvious you just started watching.
