so /sp/ who would you rather have as a defense? The legion of boom or the mile high no fly?
Do I get the 2013 legion of boom with Byron Maxwell or the current one with whatever memer they're starting opposite to Sherman?
If the 2013 one then LoB. Broncos pass rush > Broncos secondary
>>65701106
well i mean the defense as a whole. 2013 seahawks.
As a Broncos fan, 2013 Seahawks D over everyone. 2015 Broncos D is a close runner-up.
>>65701134
Still the Seahawks, but it's quite close desu
>>65701181
isnt the bronco d statistically better though? the seahawks blew out the broncs because they didnt expect the ferocity
1. 85 Bears
2. 13 Hawks
3. 15 Broncos
4. 00 Ravens
5. 02 Bucs
Honorable mention: 76 Steelers
>>65701250
I differ on hawks and broncos. The broncos could play any defense while the seahawks seemed to mostly stay in their cover 3 with sherman locking down one side. I feel like the broncs were more versatile
>>65701217
2013 Seahawks were allowing less yards per game and less points per game (by like 4.5 although Peyton's pick 6 spree probably accounts for some of that).
>>65701250
I never saw them play but didn't the 00 Ravens hold teams to like 10 points a game or something ridiculous like that?
>>65701315
its a shame the broncos offense was so shit. i think they wouldve been even better on defense if they couldve teed off on the qb all game. if the 2013 offense and 2015 defense were mixed that would possibly be the GOAT team
>>65701315
Yep 10 on average in the regular season.
And yeah, it's possible the Broncos D could be even better than they seemed if the had an offense that wasn't hot trash
>>65701315
The average opposing starting LOS/drive for the Broncos in 2015 was the 29.49 yardline through 195 drives when the league average was the 27.2 yardline through 180 drives.
The average opposing starting LOS/drive for the Seahawks in 2013 was the 25.85 yardline through 179 drives when the league average was the 27.85 yardline through 186 drives
Denvers offense really did not help that defense out at all.
Mile High in a heartbeat. The Broncos D dominated the three best offenses in the league on the way to the Super Bowl and almost won the Super Bowl without scoring an offensive touchdown.
>>65701371
What happened with the Broncos offense, other than Manning having lost all his arm strength?
>>65701371
Peyton Manning offenses are useless in big games.
>>65701989
broncos lost 2 starters on the o line, demaryius thomas decided to show his true colors as a glorified stat padding pussy, louis vasquez didnt fit the zone blocking system, the o line starters who replaced clady and sambrailo were absolute garbage, and manning lost his arm. honestly brock shouldve started the playoffs, but pussy boys like demaryius made sure manning came back in. if i were the broncos id draft a WR and trade DTs fat contract. dude is soft like dwight howard. nigga had like one catch in the superbowl for 8 yards
>>65702051
yep i just researched it. 1 catch for 8 yards in the superb owl. DT is SOFT
>>65701071
you'd have to be extremely new to think the broncos defense is top 5 all time
elite defense, but there have been so many better
>>65702172
bronc defense is on par with seattle 2013 defense. but you have to remember the rules changed. defenses are blue balled by new rules
13 Seahawks but it's close, Broncos were dominant this year
>>65702285
i think there is an argument for them being equal. seahawks schedule that year wasnt too tough and broncos had a shit offense
>>65702050
This statement is false.
>>65702883
eh peytons boys always seemed to brainfart and regress during big games
nigga the defense got lit the fuck up by antonio brown and if burfict didn't kill him the stoolers most likely would have won
the broncos didn't play anybody but injury plagued teams like the stoolers and pats
>>65707328
The Steelers were the only team that could do anything to them.
>>65707328
no one stops antonio. hes easily the number 1 receiver in the league
>>65707328
>patriots
>injury plagued
Wow stop posting anytime
>>65707393
bro
bro
they were the only team in the league that had their o-line get injured.
>>65701989
>Manning having lost all his arm strength?
>>65702051
>and manning lost his arm.
you mean the HGH effect started to fade away?
>>65702051
>honestly brock shouldve started the playoffs
>Considering brock shit the bed against the Raiders and almost pissed away the game against the dumpster fire of the soon to be LA Chargers until Manning saved it, yeah, better to have a crippled veteran, than a retarded rookie.
Beating the Chargers and securing the first seed probably was the biggest factor in beating the Patriots.
>>65707473
>Beating the Chargers and securing the first seed probably was the biggest factor in beating the Patriots.
yea thanks to the amazing defense.
>>65707473
>brock shit the bed against the chargers
You mean when Emmanuel got stripped while standing after catching a beautiful touch pass? Or when CJ got stripped? Or when Fowler tipped the ball into the DB? Or when Schofield got so fuckin' demolished that the rusher got to brock in LESS than 3 seconds?
2013 Seahawks defense is the best ever. I'd put the Broncos defense around #13-#14 on all time defenses
I'm going with the Broncos only because their offense was so shitty.
The 12's offense was decent enough where the defense didn't have to win every single game. No such case with Denver though, especially when Peyton was throwing 2 picks a game.
As a Denver fan, I felt like we had a better chance of scoring with the defense rather than the offense. I'm glad they didn't have Peyton throw it on 3rd down at any point in the 4th quarter.
>>65702172
>faced the 3 best offenses in the league in the 3 biggest games of the year
>held them to a combines 44 points
okay whatever you say lol. nobody ever had a tougher defensive road to the owl and the broncos defense btfo EVERYBODY with literally 0 semblance of an offense
you have to be extrememely new to think this isn't the best defense ever friendo
1. 2013 Seahawks
2. 1985 Bears
3. 2000 Ravens
4. 2002 Bucs
5. 1976 Steelers
6. 1972 Dolphins
7. 1977 Falcons
8. 1991 Eagles
9. 1969 Cheifs
10. 1990 Giants
11. 1970 Vikinga
12. 1974 Rams
13. 2015 Broncos
14. 1986 Giants
15. 2008 Steelers
16. 2006 Ravens
17. 1992 Cowboys
18. 1984 49ers
19. 1996 Packers
20. 1966 Packers
21. 1981 Eagles
22. 2003 Patriots
23. 1975 Steelers
24. 2000 Titans
25. 1997 Cheifs
26. 1986 Bears
27. 2009 Jets
28. 2001 Steelers
29. 1977 Cowboys
30. 1983 Raiders
Lol I was bored so I made this list
>>65707699
Dub confirmed. Most of our team was injured, but people forget that shit and just be like ''HURRDURR BTFO DERP''
>>65707900
'97 Chiefs need to be higher
>>65702121
>>65702051
This is what I've been saying since the 2013 sb
>>65707900
>2013 seahawks
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>65707900
great list tbf, i agree with all of it
>>65702050
Let's assume that the divisional games that Manning won don't count as important.
>What is the 2006 AFCCG?
>>65707402
>they were the only team in the league that had their o-line get injured.
What is GB?
What is fucking Denver?
Kill yourself.
>>65707900
>1. 2013 Seahawks
>2. 1985 Bears
Please stop.
>>65701071
Mile High big guys?
>>65701071
>legion
>>65701071
>SEA any day
Kubiak can eat a dick
>>65701071
I'd take the Broncos because DeMarcus and Von are 2Strong
>>65701250
The '85 Bears would give up 30 a game in today's NFL
>>65701071
who tf nicknamed my teams defense "mile high fly"????
>>65701250
13 hawks would not have been able to stop the meme newtons 15 team
>>65708995
THIS SO FUCKING MUCH THIS!
everybody talks about the 85 bears when literally only two teams ran the west coast offense and only one qb threw for 4k now almost half the qbs throw for 4k a season. they would get torn apart
>>65701250
You can't seriously be putting the 00 Ravens 4th. This is a recency bias if I've ever seen one. They won the super bowl with Trent "fucking" Dilfer at QB. C'mon man.
>>65707900
>ranking teams that never had to deal with dual threat qbs
>never had to play against more than 2 west coast offenses
>never dealt with more than one qb who threw over 4k
SHIGGY DIGGY DOO
the best defense of all time is the 77 falcons. people get too caught up in the whole must win a super bowl for consideration
>>65709171
this so much dEAsu
>>65709195
and more importantly ranking teams who didn't play in today's league where the rules are massively skewed towards helping the offense.
seriously, find some video of the 85 Bears defense and notice how physical the defensive backs are when guarding receivers.
>>65707824
>extrememely
>>65708540
spics in charge of recognizing sarcasm
>>65709171
> recency bias
>85 at #1
I'm honestly ok with any configuration of those 5. Besides, it's impossible to compare them directly. It was just a quick list that I came up with in 5 minutes. I'm open to arguments that assert a team not listed
>>65707363
Thank you based stoolers for stopping the bungles from getting a playoff win
>>65707328
Except a healthy Panthers in the Owl, but by all means let your hate expose your retardation
I'll take the Patriots offense over either of them on a neutral field
>>65714762
No you wouldn't.
>>65701250
00 ravens are the best defense of all time
>>65714762
2013 Seahawks would booty blast any Pats offense tbqh.
>>65702051
>>65702121
DT had over 100 receptions and 1,300+ yards this season. Him having a bad year is complete myth. Statistically, that's a great year. He had some bad games but you should blame that on Peyton's inability to throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield.
>>65701071
I'll take Denver's pass rush over any other defensive group on the 2013 Seahawks. Seattle might have had a better secondary, but Talib/Harris/Roby can absolutely hang with them. Denver's only weakness was their injured safeties. If Ward and Stewart don't get hurt, the Pats never even get a chance for that 2pt conversion.
Would you rather have the 2016 broncos or seahawks?
>>65720160
Assuming Denver keeps Von, I'll take them. Even if they lose Malik Jackson and Trevathan, they'll be better than Seahawks D and probably the best in NFL yet again.
>>65720160
Whichever one doesn't have an arrogant loudmouth on cornerback
>>65701071
The original LOB
>>65715468
stop whining and bitchin, in 2014 Pats played the same if not a better hawks team. All the main stars were playin, and Brady came up with the most clutch drives in the 4th quarter. Two amazing clutch drives.
You are just upset coz months b4 that yo home boi peypey got his booty blasted by the shecucks.
>>65732836
>Manning hate
When are you Brady-fags going to let that go?
>>65732836
Twice, Brady came out and threw an interception, a Seahawk was injured on the play, and then he scored two touchdowns.
A healthy Seahawks defense would have shit stomped them. Which would have been hilarious, because their offense was essentially broken after they tossed Harvin, and relied almost entirely on rushing.
>>65707473
>Shit the bed against the raiders
To be fair Peyton almost did the exact same thing
>>65701217
>the seahawks blew out the broncs because they didnt expect the ferocity
not because the broncos literally didn't bring half of their salary cap worth of players to the owl?
>>65710862
>pretending.jpg
>>65707473
>You were alive to see Khalil Mack end the Brock Osweiler meme
>>65732836
>SB49 injury ravaged Seahawks better than the SB48 Seahawks
Now I know you're drunk.
>>65701250
I've seen all on that list except for the 85 Bears, and can tell you the 00 Ravens were the best of that bunch.
>>65701388
I'm still in shock reading comments like this, not because they aren't true, but because of how far Denver's offence has fallen in just 2 years. They were close to GOAT status in '13, and a steaming pile of shit in '15. They roster didn't change that much either.
>>65701938
Pittsburgh offense was completely gimped, the Pats had a turnstile O-line with all their injuries, and the Panthers were the ultimate meme team, with a mentally weak front runner QB who crumbled in the big game.
Denver's D deserves huge praise, but those offenses weren't as good as you think they were.
>>65708995
> The '85 Bears would give up 30 a game in today's NFL
I'm curious why you think that, and if you say the players now are bigger/faster/stronger, I think it goes without saying that the Bears would have access to the same training, nutrition, and dope that the current teams do. If we're going to fantasize let's make it fair.
>>65744700
Their scheme is outdated.
>>65732836
Nigga wut? I think the entire secondary needed surgery thanks to that green bay game. Wasn't even close to 2013' defense.
>>65701250
>Honorable mention: 76 Steelers
>not #1
>>65744573
denver's o was overhauled outside of like five guys, but the entire o line was reshuffled, lost decker and wes and had them replaced with mediocre options. had julius thomas at te. pretty elite offense desu
>>65744618
denvers d defeated all the meme teams this year
>>65719984
>stats babby
im a broncos fan and I pay close attention in every game. I like DT a lot and I think he has the potential to bounce back next season but his season, despite having 100 receptions and 1300 yards, was not great by any means. He dropped a fuckton of balls and disappeared in almost every big game the broncos had. It was only like 3-4 times the whole season where you saw him make a truly amazing play. He is great when he gets the ball in his hands, but he has a lot of trouble corraling tough passes and catching in traffic. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt though, because I am a disgusting homer, and assume the reason his year was so shitty was because he held out all offseason and didn't go to training camp, and then manning had all his struggles. Also, DT is currently on a tour of Africa with Demarcus Ware, which is huge because Ware is the reason Von Miller transcended into elite status. I imagine learning some growing up from ware, plus an entire offseason to get chemistry with brock(or whatever QB elway goes with) will lead him to have a huge season and prove he deserved that giant ass contract
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