>pep leaving
Who is going to be their next coach?
Can he win the treble?
Ancelotti rumors here and there, but he already said blundesliga is boring
Chelsea bound
Löw
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64275723
Wot
First of all, Guardiola will stay for at least another year.
Second of all, if Pep really leaves they'll probably go for Ancelotti and they'll be making a big mistake. And if that's going to be the case, I'm betting £1000 on Dortmund winning the league on the day he gets appointed.
The only other option I see is some overachieving mid table coach like Favre or Hecking
Mouyes will take over, win a title then alienate Müller, Lahm and Neuer and leave in disgrace
Favre
>>64275688
>Ancelotti rumors here and there, but he already said blundesliga is boring
source?
>>64275766
why would ancelotti be a mistake?
![david-moyes_1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LFNpyTz.jpg "david-moyes_1[1].jpg")
Mourinho.
>>64275805
Because he's a hack and the most overrated manager of the last 20 years.
>16 seasons of managing Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Madrid
>3 league titles
That's simply pathetic and no other coach would ever get a pass for that kind of record.
Even in the CL, where he usually does well, he has two of the biggest chokes in competition history on his resume.
>up 3-0 at halftime of the CL final
>against a vastly inferior team
>opposing coach makes a clever adjustment
>lose the final
>up 4-1 after 1st leg
>lose the 2nd leg 4-0
>>64275805
He's probably referring to the fact that Ancelotti has only managed 3 league titles in ~16 seasons with Juventus, AC Milan, Chelsea, PSG and Real Madrid - all of which were top 2 teams in their league when he managed them.
>van laal
>>64275849
Also, the true Italian GOAT coach of the last 20 years is Fabio Capello who constantly gets ridiculed because kids and bandwagoners who started watching football in 2010 only remember his half assed retirement jobs with NTs
If he'd still be seriously interested in coaching, I'd go for him
>>64275770
Müller, Lahm and Neuer are used to the kinds of tactics Mourinho likes.
Heinckes' Bayern was basically defend deep and counter attack, the team.
He would have problems with that Brazilian fullback that said Heinckes was an antiquated coach.
>>64275903
Capello is a great coach but he would be nothing without Sacchi's groundwork
>>64275915
Capello's work at Roma was pretty good.
pic related
>>64275922
Batistuta
>>64275911
>Heinckes' Bayern was basically defend deep and counter attack, the team.
Literally confirmed for only watching the Barcelona semi final.
Heynckes Bayern was a possession based side that was often compared to Guardiola's Barcelona. They were versatile and had the ability to be devastating on the counter attack (any team with Robben and Muller would be) but they only did that in one leg vs Arsenal and in that Barcelona semi. They dominated possession and tried to open up defences with a short passing game 90% of the time.
During their treble winning seasons their possession, passing accuracy and short passing statistics were 2nd only to Barca
>>64275915
But he did it all
>taking over a GOAT team and sustaining a run of success with ageing stars
Early 90s Milan
>taking over a historic club in crisis
Madrid 96 and Madrid 06 (won La Liga in the first season and got fired immediately after both times)
>taking over a historical underdog and building a title winning team
AS Roma 99
>taking over a great team in need of a rebuild
Juventus 04, this one's a bit tainted because of the scandal but the team played great and it's not like he was the one putting pressure on the FA
He has been a success everywhere he went and winning a title with Roma is almost like winning one with Tottenham or some shit. Truly one of the most underrated managers
>>64275949
>it's a good post on /sp/
Woah. Nice one, m8.
>>64276029
I agree but he didn't do it all himself. Like Clough with Taylor or Klopp with Buvac, he needs a helping hand. I feel he's a good coach don't get me wrong, thought it was disgraceful what the FA did to him but he can't do it alone, he needs someone with him or someone to lay the foundations for him.
>>64275949
as a german who has watched almost every single Bayern game under Heynckes I can confirm. surprised to see a guy on here who actually understands football.
Maybe Weinzierl, but he will fail and Tuchel will reign supreme until Bayern buy Obama and Mkhitaryan
>>64276113
He had no foundations in Madrid the first time he took over. They finished like 7th the year before and were a total mess. He won the title in his first year and he was the one who laid foundations for their 98 and 00 CL trophies (he probably would've won at least one himself but he got sacked because the football wasn't pretty and president didn't like him)
The 2nd time he took over a Madrid squad that was trophyless for 3 years, just lost Zidane, Figo and were a mess just like before. Once again, he wins the title in his first season and gets sacked because Perez didn't like his defensive tactics.
There were absolutely no foundations here and he did great both times, I'd argue he was the author of Roma's title as well since it was his decision to bring in Batistuta and Samuel but that's to a lesser degree
>>64275688
>Who is going to be their next coach?
>>64276194
He had a great squad at Madrid first time around, Madrid has a knack of sacking good managers and there are always remnants of each others work in the squads as years go by. Think about it, he had Carlos, Seedorf, Suker and Raul and Morientes coming through, Zamorano and Redondo already in the team. Even then the team were in huge debt before Perez came about.
The second time around Sacchi had already been director of football and Perez had injected millions of euros into the team at that point.
His work at Roma is admirable but he could never get them over their first league win, this I think is a regret or a flaw he saw which he would admit himself. Yes his work is impressive but he would need a foundation to grow in.
>>64276235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1sprC3-nmM
Best football rant. Absolutely based
>>64276235
Strunz
>>64276295
>he had Carlos, Seedorf, Suker and Raul and Morientes coming through, Zamorano and Redondo already in the team
He was the one who bought Carlos, Mijatovic, Seedorf, Suker, Illgner and Panucci
Morientes did not play for Madrid that year.
He got rid of Zamorano as soon as he was appointed.
The only good players on this team were Hierro, Redondo and a 19 year old Raul. You have a decent point about the 06/07 team but the 96/97 one was all Capello and no one else
They deserve Matthäus
Possible pep replacement:
>Mou
>Magath
>Hiddink
>Cunte
>Emery
>Marwijk
>>64275797
This would make the most sense to me. He purposely fucked up at Gladbach so he could resign and be available for a top club, there's no doubt about this.
You don't go from qualifying for the CL to losing 6(?) games in a row the comming season. It may seem like a dick move on his part but who really knows what's happening behind the scenes. Bayern may have paid Gladbach a nice compensation for securing the sevices of their manager and for their bad start to the season.
inb4 favre
>>64276393
>hoeneß gone
>matthäus could actually become greenkeeper now
GET HYPE
Zorniger
>>64276831
already happened boi
>>64275688
How about the one that's currently in jail?
>a decent thread with numerous informative opinions about teams and coaches backed by facts and little to no memes
What the fuck is that shit? MODS
Luis Enrique
>>64275688
Mou or Raneri
Friendly reminder Heynckes' Bayern played possession football in every single game of that treble winning season other than 1 game vs Arsenal and the Barcelona tie
Friendly reminder the only teams they could truly dominate were Conte's Juventus in their first CL season and Barcelona who were in utter shambles at that point. They finished level on points with Valencia in the group stage (losing to BATE in the process), were 1 goal away from going out against fucking Arsenal, beat Dortmund on a last minute winner, beat Dortmund in the cup final with some major refball and couldn't beat Dortmund in the league
>>64278255
Still won though that's the main thing Pep just likes getting fucked in the arse by half decent opposition.
>pep builds a far superior team than what was there before aside from a healthy le cut inside man
>some other manager swoops in and takes all the glory
don't do it pep or actually do it and come to united
>>64278278
So did di matteo, doesn't meant he's superior in any way except to casuals who think what they did to barca was their entire cl run
german football had its peak and will decline. the money from england can't be stopped. they will raid bayern/dortmund of their best players. you will gradually decline like our league did since you won't be able to compete for wages.
enjoy while it lasts, shekels always win.
>>64275688
what will Thiago leave too?
>>64278300
Pep took Jupps team and just brought some Spanish in
>>64278278
He fucked up the Madrid semi final in 2014 but he really stood no chance vs the best team in the world when he was missing like 4 starters.
The only bad thing about his 2.5 year long Bayern reign has been the Madrid tie. That's it.
>>64278365
>tf
>tt
Is this just the news that he is going to clarify his future next week? One, that doesn't mean he is leaving. 2. We've known that all season.
>>64278476
>Is this just the news that he is going to clarify his future next week?
Yes, anything more is just pure speculation
>One, that doesn't mean he is leaving.
I'd even say that announcing it now means he's likely to stay, but once again that's just speculation
>>64275688
It will be Löw and he will play his fat midget son Götze as striker until all the customers puke and demand Gomez back.
>>64278813
Just shove Lahm upfront.
>>64276327
there's actually a better one out there
but there's no english translation
>>64275688
Ancelotti
>>64276194
Perez wasn't on Madrid when Capello was on his second Madrid stint.
>>64276295
>The second time around Sacchi had already been director of football and Perez had injected millions of euros into the team at that point.
Mate, Capello's second RM stint didn't feature Perez at the helm, it was under Ramón Calderón, check it out.
Lol
>>64278376
>The only bad thing about his 2.5 year long Bayern reign has been the Madrid tie.
He also lost a couple german supercup finals against dortmund and the tie against barcelona last year was also a bit shit.
>>64279334
Damn, I completely forgot he stepped down. Firing Capello was such a Perez move that it's hard not to connect those two
i swear he always left it much later than this before confirming he was staying @ barca
why are yuo all convinced hes leaving
>>64276344
Was bedeutet es?
>>64280890
Meme cups and no coach would beat last year's Barcelona with 4 starters out (and Lewandowski with scrambled brains after getting knocked the fuck out a week before)
>>64280984
yet he fucked up completely. The first cup would have gotten bayern the sextuple but he played Thiago as dm (lel) against a top shape dortmund, who fumbled it completely and even gave away a goal. Can't remember the second cup. Against barcelona he was getting destroyed at the beginning of the game by playing with 3? in defense. He rectified but later, with 2-0, fucked up again by forcing his team foward looking for the away goal and getting countered for the 3-0. He got smashed with counters at home too and only won that game when Suarez was taken off the pitch injured at half time and the rest of barcelona went into caution mode. Even worse to make those decisions if he was missing key players. He's a brilliant manager but messes up from time to time like everybody else.
>>64281117
In the first leg, starting with man to man at the back was probably a mistake but it wasn't completely baseless. It was just a mad gamble, people always talk about how ridiculous it was to put 3 defenders vs MSN (and rightly so, it's a fucking suicide, you sometimes need 3 for Messi alone) but let's not forget that it meant Bayern having a man to man situation in attack as well and Lewandowski wasted a clear chance around the 10 minute mark. A result of this gamble could've been anything between 2-0 to Barca and 0-1 to Bayern after 12 minutes, not worth it in hindsight but not as bad as people make it out to be.
Afterwards, he adjusted and they settled into the game and after Barcelona dominated the 1st half, Bayern actually got a foothold at the start of the 2nd and they were the better side in the 2nd half until MESSI happened.
And at 2-0 down you HAVE to take a risk because of the away goal. It's unacceptable to go back home 2-0 down since it would require you to score 3 without conceding at home, and if you set out to score 3 vs Barcelona then you bet your ass they'll squeeze in at least one. It was another gamble, this time necessary. It didn't work out but a potential 2-1 goal for Bayern would have been MUCH more valuable than a 3-0 goal for Barcelona. He took a gamble that backfired, but at 2-0 down you have to take one.
The 2nd leg was a glorified friendly.
Overall, the result was bad but I really can't put too much blame on him for the score. Neuer letting in a shot at the near post and Boateng getting juked out of his boots is kind of beyond the coach's control.
>>64281117
> The first cup would have gotten bayern the sextuple but he played Thiago as dm (lel) against a top shape dortmund
That Lewandowski game is total elite
>>64281306
First 70 minutes of the first leg where really really good from Bayern considering all the injuries they had. They covered Messi really well with a practical 3 men defence and then gave the one vs one to Suarez and Neymar, both in statical attack and counter. It was a really good game by Poop until Messi thought that he should win that and Bayern lost a ball in a transition
>>64281306
I think he was doing great after the defense adjustment, but before that it was suicidal and he was lucky barcelona were completely fumbling their chances.
After messi appeared (min ~75) and with 2-0 the idea of getting the away goal is logical but he should have been more cautious, especially since his team hadn't shown any clear possibilities in the previous 80 minutes. Having to play home against a 2-0 is doable, but the 3-0 completely killed the tie and he should have considered it.
His mistake wasn't getting 2 goals against but being careless enough to recieve the 3rd one in min ~93. Barcelona had shown some danger during the game while bayern had hardly had any clear chances. He should have closed shop once the game got cold after the first 2 goals (min ~85) but it's very typical of Guardiola to kill or die with his ideas so he went full attack and this time it didn't work out for him.
Buyernliga on suicide watch
>>64281633
>His mistake wasn't getting 2 goals against but being careless enough to recieve the 3rd one in min ~93
They stood no chance either way. Coming back from 2-0 pretty much requires you to keep a clean sheet, which obviously is not happening when you're facing Messi, Suarez and Neymar and letting them loose on the counter attack (which you'd be forced to do since you need 3 goals). The 3rd goal was meaningless in the big picture, while a goal for Bayern would've completely changed the tie
>>64281633
>but it's very typical of Guardiola to kill or die with his ideas so he went full attack and this time it didn't work out for him.
Being 3-1 down at San Siro he subbed Ibra for Abidal, I guess due to Venables and Pichi Alonso story against Rosenborg. He could have done the same
>>64281687
but they had actually kept clean sheet for most of the game until messi went full retard for a few minutes. Up until that point I was thinking the 0-0 result was good enough for barcelona to go play at bayern's arena. I think Pep should have cut his losses, focused on defense and taken the 2-0 in hopes of having a good 2nd tie. We're not going to agree on this though kek
>>64281779
They were keeping a clean sheet by playing very conservatively (the opening 10 minutes notwithstanding). Keeping a clean sheet when you're not under pressure to score and keeping it when you have to pour men forward is much different.
Just look what happened in the 2nd leg. They scored early, had some hope, started attacking, 15 minutes later - 1-2 for Barca.
Point of argument here is whether they stood a chance of coming back from being 2-0 down after the 1st leg and I saw no evidence in last season's CL knockouts that it would be possible.
>>64281769
He might have thrown Pique to attack though, he often did that as a desperation move. Also Ibra was literally a waste of oxygen in that game so he had to take him of
>>64281666
Kek.
I prefer to see this clown leave over any of the players. Hell, I honestly think that hes ridiculously overrated. The players he has access to are so spasticly good that hardly any team can compare to it. Bayern midfield and defense are so goddamn stacked. The clubs success is thanks to the management, not the coach who is exploiting the squads strengths.
>player-manager
>>64283164
But anon, he was the one who signed Douglas, Coman, Vidal, Alonso (was quite cheap), Thiago.
While Bayern's committee decided to sign Götze for €37M against Pep's orientation to go after Neymar instead.
>>64281633
>it's very typical of Guardiola to kill or die with his ideas so he went full attack
fucking GOAT
>>64283414
>he was the one who signed Douglas, Coman, Vidal, Alonso (was quite cheap), Thiago.
I hope youre fucking joking. Thiago yes, but he had no fucking doing in the signing of the other 4. Hell, Vidal in particular doesnt even remotely fit his sort of style. Youre giving that mongoloid way too much credit.
In fact, I think the club not giving him free reigns is because hes leaving. Bayern doesnt let him waste 60m on Ibrahimovic, they actually decide who to buy, not Guardiola.
>>64283414
>trying to use logic and reason when replying to Pep haters
Haven't you learned? He's a total teambabby and an overrated fraud
>>64283414
you think bayern would pay a HUGE amount of money in a shady deal to get neymar?
>>64283591
They would try to get him on the cheap in a shady deal.
>>64283591
they should've instead of wasting money of fat lucky goal fatboy, glad they didn't listen to pep cause fuck bayern
>>64283624
you do realise that people went to prison for signing him?
>>64283591
Of course not, Bayern are such a pure club. It's totally not like their general manager is behind bars for tax fraud
>>64283648
does that have anything to do with the club?
>>64283435
He wanted Vidal you idiot along with many of those other now key pieces
>they didn't let him sign ibra
Confirmed retard, he doesn't like Ibra at all
>>64283661
Splendid job completely missing the point you illiterate nigger.
>>64283660
If he's willing to engage in shady activities in personal finance then he'd probably have nothing against engaging in shady activities with club finance
>>64275688
Mou after he gets fired for chelsea
>>64283633
Worth it tbqh
>>64283648
They sold weapons for world cup bids but Bayern of course is pure and clean like Germans historically
>>64283669
there was no point, you retarded refugee
>>64283673
i'm sure that you can back that up with some proofs
tax fraud is pretty common tbqh
>you sign neymar
>your irrelevant president goes to jail
>you still have neymar
>you don't sign neymar
>you have your irrelevant president free
>neymar fucks your ass
I don't know what to choose.
>>64283730
easy choice
German bros, what do you think about this team? compare them to similar teams in Spain or England and tell me what is their style.
>>64284313
>total literally who club
>spent most of their history in regional leagues
>made it to the Bundesliga for the first time ever like 5 years ago
>battled relegation for the first couple of years while building solid foundation
>became a solid mid table club that even finished 5th one time
>>64275688
I heard you guys like goals.
>>64283730
>you don't sign neymar
>your relevant president goes to jail
>you still have götze
this is what bayern chose
>>64275688
Hi.
>>64278300
>come to united
>that flag
DC United aren't looking for a coach
>sweeper keeper
>>64286461
would still win the league easily
>>64276542
>Magath
:^)
>>64278348
Eventually England will learn that German players can't adjust to the PL and generally underperform.
BASED EYEBROW MAN
>>64275855
Juve and Milan both finished 6th the season before he took over.
>>64278255
So he adapted his strategies according to his opponents ?
And you are saying that Heynckes won the treble by beating the second best team twice in knockout tournaments and "only" by points in the league ?
I agree. Heynckes did not crush EVERY team but he still won everything because they as a unit where the best.
Refball in the cup final was both ways btw.
Lahm player-manager
>>64284313
I think they are a decent team but their squad isn't as broad as it needs to be to play so many games a year. Their team is one of the cheapest in our league and it kinda shows because they only have few options if people are tired/injured which is the main reason why they struggle in the Bundesliga currently.
Their style is a bit hard to say, if I had to describe it I would say they are mainly about fighting and orientated on their wingers making something happen and bringing passes to the inside. Don't know who to compare them with because I don't know the mid-table teams in Spain and England as well. From an outside perspective, purely based on how I think they would match up against them I would put them around the strength of Everton and Bilbao.
It's Carlo.
http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/startseite/641409/artikel_ancelotti-topfavorit-auf-die-guardiola-nachfolge.html
>"Zu neunzig Prozent gehe ich zum FC Bayern.
>>64287972
I don't know how to feel about this, I am kinda disappointed but honestly I don't know who I would've prefered to replace Guardiola.
>turning down €20m a year from Bayern
Pep is such a fucking boss. I see rumours linking him to United now which will just make it even more hilarious when he goes to City and United are left cleaning up the LvG mess.
>>64288005
but why would you leave bayern and go to fucking city or united
it doesn't make any sense
>>64278300
>pep builds a team
Good one
>>64288005
Why do you care m8? It's not like he's not coming to manage Shamrock Rovers is he?
>>64288020
>>64288033
gud1 m8
>>64288050
Good one what? Why do you care? It's a simple question.
>>64288020
>PSG gets the Triple
>he trains PSG
this is what's gonna happen boys
>>64275849
That makes Bayern Munich a good fit for him, because the Bundesliga is so easy they'll win it without even trying so he can focus on the Champions League and other cups which he is actually good at.
>>64288005
>Pep is such a fucking boss.
No he isnt. He keeps talking about perspective and new horizons while in reality only cares about money. Going to England is a step down right now, theres nothing in that league that can compare to Farcelona or Buyern and he sure as hell isnt capable of turning these junk teams around and make them relevant again.
Hes not a boss for turning down a 20m offer to accept a 40m one. Hes just a greedy little shit and apparently somewhat competent business man who knows how to exploit the hype around him.
apparantly ribery has torn another muscle and is out for 8 weeks or longer, just after he had come back from 10+ months of injury. bayern specifically warned not to rush his return.
so poop and the medical department are fighting again just like last year when robben/ribery were perma-crocked due to them being brought back too early before the CL knockouts.
>>64288244
The issue here is that they are not following his doping regimen to the letter.
>>64288170
wow don't get to see this level of arse devastation on 4chan very often these days
>>64288244
Ribéry is supposedly depressed and can't bare not playing. Probably did everything he could to force his return.
>>64288170
>Going to England is a step down
which actually means he's stepping up
>and he sure as hell isnt capable of turning these junk teams around and make them relevant again
he did it with barcelona
>turning down a 20m offer to accept a 40m one
any source for this?
>>64288304
>I pretend to be retarded on the internet to troll people
bet your mom is proud of you Pedro
>>64288325
lel you are really butthurt about this
They'll cuck Liverpool and hire Klopp away.
Why would he go to EPL and get exposed? He should join a team that's already on autopilot if he want's to cement his legacy even more.
>>64288151
You really don't appreciate what a choke artist he is. In 11/12 he took over PSG in mid season when they were top of the league by like 5 points. He ended up losing the title to Montpellier, a club in their 4th season after promotion to ligue 1
Alan Pardew
>>64288360
Celtic?
Why do all memers who claim that Pep only coaches auto pilot teams always ignore the fact that he won Spanish 4th division with a bunch of 17 year old kids and won the treble with a team that was trophyless for two seasons (including a disaster season right before he joined)
>>64288379
Cause Aragonis and Rjikard laid down the bricks.
>>64288379
probably because he landed on bayern when they had just won the treble, but what he did at barcelona was the opposite of autopilot
>>64288400
Then no coach deserves any credit ever. Also the only player who started the 06 and 11 CL finals is Victor Valdes. He won the CL with 10 different outfield players than Rijkaard. So much for him laying bricks.
Unless by laying foundations you mean sending the team into a drastic freefall for 2 straight years that ended with finishing 20 points behind Madrid and getting trashed 4-1 in the final Classico
>>64288400
And I still don't know who laid the bricks for his Barcelona B success (they got relegated the season before)
>>64288439
Most probably Aragornis, son of Arathorn, called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dúnadain, the heir of Isildur Elendil's son of Gondor
>>64288400
>Aragones
Aragones started 3 Barcelona players in the Euro 2008 final, Del Bosque started 7 Barcelona players in the WC 2010 final.
It was Pep who laid the bricks for Spain's success, not the other way around
Sorry for consecutive posts but I'm stuck in traffic on a phone
>>64288421
see
>>64278255
also poland btfo of these idiots and their memes
>>64288518
what exactly do I have to see?
>>64286360
Would be awesome desu
>>64288280
i'd be pretty fucking depressed if football was my life and a random ankle injury kept me out of play for 10+ months.
>>64276327
I used to laugh at his rant, but thinking about it - he's a coach with fucking balls, giving his players shit like that in public after they fucked with him.
Pity I'm too young to have seen Trappatoni's work in his prime, mid eighties to early nineties. The man's the kind of character you rarely see - a contemporary example would be Mourinho (except that Trap wasn't an asshole), and that's pretty much it.
