KFC™ BBL™ Edition.
Hi
>>64264216
>404'd due to inactivity
>last post was only 50 minutes ago
what sports event/s is/are happening for /sp/ to be moving this quickly?
>>64264293
Windies booted out and Ireland test team when?
>>64264312
There was already a thread? Can't have gone already surely.
>>64264396
>Wanting to be from a country that doesn't enjoy a cheeky test series
>>64264332
nevermind I just realised that the mod auto-saged /cric/ again
Shane Watson is "literally" on suicide watch
>>64264332
>Windies booted out and Ireland test team when?
You just exposed yourself as a seething casual
The Windies aren't even the worst test playing nation right now. All this knee jerk reactionism is embarrassing
>>64264440
literally why, it was actually on topic
I FUCKING LOVE CRICKET
nice poomunity
>Khawaja isn't going to play the first based bash league game
Fuck me lads, I thought his injury wasn't that bad? Do muslims have the bodies of 80 year old men?
yfw BBL is an actual "thing" now
>The Big Based League LITERALLY starts tomorrow
>>64267338
>the paki STILL hasn't made a team
Who /blizzard/ here?
>>64267684
NERD
E
R
D
>>64267684
Goosey what's going on lad
>>64264440
And you faggots called for more moderation here so I would get banned.
This is ultimately the problem with our society. The weak are too lazy to protect themselves, so they establish an order for other weak people to 'watch over' us. The result is you get police on a power trip trying to take down anyone more successful in life than they are.
Why did England take so long to call up Taylor?Did they fall for KP's manlet meme?
He's looked great in every game I've seen and miles ahead of Bell and Buttler
What does VVS stand for?
/cric/ is fucking terrible 2bh
>>64269126
very very shit
>tfw meme20 has killed test Cricket
>>64269522
>test cricket was worth being kept alive
I like test cricket for touring other countries and a day out, but t20 really is more exciting and relevant
>>64268144
t. a criminal "literally" on the run from the police and living in exile in a 3rd world shithole
>>64269547
>this flag
>this post
makes sense
T20 cricket is deprived of any of the subtleties of test cricket. Because it's 10% of the length of a test game, you lose the entire psychological aspect of the game and it just turns into a boring slogfest without any technique or tension.
It's alright to watch every now and then, but it's objectively the inferior version of the sport.
$100 on Sydney Green to have the higher opening partnership lads
Just got out of the nut ward lads
>>64269758
going to make a thread counter for the big bash lad?
>>64269770
Maybe, if more than 1 person supports it then sure
>>64269717
stupid bet because 6ers have a decent opening pair in Lumb & Maddinson. That type of bet is basically just down to pure luck anyway.
just put your $100 on Green Sydney winning. Its value @ 2.37
>>64269643
Listen I get it, there's a one team monopoly on test cricket, that's why you like it so much, it's the same logic as MLB or NFL calling a team world champions. I like test for when I'm doing something else/trying to get to sleep and want something to look at every few minutes, but when it comes to entertainment, nobody beats IPL?
>>64269828
>there's a one team monopoly on test cricket
huh
Watto on suicide watch
http://www.baka.com.au/sport/cricket/big-bash/sydney-thunder-batsman-andre-russell-hits-shane-watson-out-of-spotless-stadium-20151216-glopes.html
>>64269811
>decent
>lumb
Green Sydney's bowling is too shit for $2.10 which is what the app is telling me. @$2.37 I probably would go h2h
>>64269881
Good URL bruv.
>>64269843
test cricket is about as competitive as international basketball
>>64269828
>IPL
I realise this is likely bait but you've got to be kidding me. The BBL is LITERALLY better than the IPL.
IPL has rampant match/spotfixing. The rosters completely change literally every 2 years. Over half the original teams from the comp (it is <10 years old) are gone. The commentary is so bad it makes Channel 9 look world class. The stadiums are tiny and shit. There are no good bowlers in the league except the international players and the entire entertainment package (the 6/10 Russian cheerleaders, the barbed wire around the ground etc) just feels seedy and contrived.
And ofcourse Indian people smell.
LITERALLY the only the the IPL has better than the BBL is more international players. And even then the BBL has alot of the good ones anyway.
>>64269886
>Green Sydney's bowling is too shit
freshcunt
They have Sandhu (probably best seamer in the comp with Memedorff injured) and they've just signed Fawad & McKay who are two of the better domestics going. Beyond that they have McDermott and then the allrounders (Russell, Watson, Kallis).
>>64269899
>BBL
>better than IPL
top fucking kek, bogan1
If I wanted to feel like I was in a BBL crowd for a match I'd go watch expat Indians play cricket in childrens baseball fields
>>64269891
cbf
>>64269899
I agree. Purely cricket quality wise, BBL's a lot more entertaining.
>>64269895
Six of the 10 test playing nations are competitive with each other la
>>64269899
BBL also feels like laid back fun instead some strange Indian ritual
Crimbo soon lads.
>>64269912
put a name on, Sanjay. Literally no one but Indians (ie YOU) think the IPL is actually good.
perhaps the worst thing is that the IPL is destroying international cricket because it directly competes with it. The BBL compliments international cricket and coincides with it and is supposed to act as an entry-level for freshcunts into cricket (even tho the BBL is literally better than the international Tests this year lmao)
>watch expat Indians play cricket in childrens baseball fields
Literally the worst analogy you could have possibly used. The IPL is played on tiny, rundown "stadiums" in a thirdworld shithole. Australia has the biggest cricket grounds in the world by far, both in terms of playing size and ground capacity.
The WACA is by far the worst stadium in Australia and is literally being replaced within 2 years and even that is better than any Indian "stadium"
>>64269982
IPL is to NFL as BBL is to CFL
>>64270009
stay poobsessed, Sunil
The IPL will NEVER have matchthreads on spee. Or if it does, they will be /rug/-tier
>>64270009
Nice """rebuttal"""
>>64269982
I'm Indian and I think the IPL is trash tbqh m7.
It was fun when it was on ONE live though since it gave me something to watch.
>>64270068
>>64270089
>>64270150
What will you say when your children will all bandwagon an IPL team? Will you tell them how cricket is the only true form of cricket? Will you tell them to follow a shit BBL team? Honestly at that point the IPL and American T20 competition will be taking up all the exposure by that point
>>64270192
>how cricket is the only true form of cricket?
brilliant
couldn't have put it better myself
>>64269886
2.30 on jew365
its luckswing so never bet more than you can afford to lose but thats value 2bqh
Garold reporting in for shitposting
>>64270192
I'll be a grumpy old man talking about the good old days that I was born 20 years too late to see
>>64270286
>you will NEVER be cucked by Joel Garner
why live
>>64270310
>>64270286
>Rhodesia will never win the Cricket World Cup
>you now imagine being spitroasted by Curtley Ambrose and Courtney Walsh
>Colin Croft and Michael Holding will never penetrate your throat and bum while you jerk off Andy Roberts and Joel Garner and give Curtly Ambrose a footjob
>You now remember Brad Hodge and Dizzy were dropped after scoring a double century
>Cummins playing for the Windies
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-west-indies-2015-16/content/story/952619.html?CMP=chrome
this should be interesting
>>64270432
>Cummins, 25, replaces Shannon Gabriel who sustained an ankle injury during the first Test in Hobart which ruled him out for the rest of the series.
Fuck, Gabriel was actually looking good.
Honestly, I'd pick up another bowler if the rumours about Taylor being a complete bitch were true. If he was refusing to follow what Holder said then he has no place in the test team tbqh
>>64270452
>if the rumours about Taylor being a complete bitch were true. If he was refusing to follow what Holder said
sauce? havent seen that
>>64270465
Chappelli and (Mark) Taylor were talking about it on the third day and on cricinfo, apparently Taylor and another bowler were refusing to bowl into the wind, forcing Holder to bowl himself for extended periods of time.
It's entirely rumours, but I wouldn't be surprised about it, given that the lad's only played 12 test games and is captaining.
>>64270241
Yeah, thinking about just dropping $50 on that instead. Green Sydney have a lot of talent
>committed to BBL Fantasy to play with Aussie friends
>have to wake up at 3:30am on weekdays to watch games
This shit better be worth it fampai.
>>64264216
I like that KFC does itself all up in the nation's sporting colors. That's dedication.
i lik criket
>>64270488
The tendies would be better off dropping the malcontents and sticking with 13 or so guys who want to play test cricket and are willing to follow Holder. Hopefully Gayle is true to his word and plays test cricket again next year, it would help legitimize Holder as well as Help their shit batting line up.
An XI of:
Braithwaite
Gayle
Bravo
Hope
Blackwood
Ramdin
Holder
Braithwait
Roach
Gabriel
Bishoo
Aren't gonna be world beaters, but they'll at least be able to get a draw in three day arm up gamez
wrapping my Mum's Christmas present lads
Now watch me whip
Now watch me maymay
>>64270822
That's pretty much what they're in the process of doing. I don't like guys like Chanderpaul being dropped when he has more dedication to the Windies than anyone else in the team, but they're trying to push for a youthful side that will grow together like their 74 team.
Honestly, if I were in charge I'd issue an ultimatum and ban anyone from consideration in any form of the game if they play in a T20 league over their international side
waaaaaaaaaaaaah this community isn't exactly how i want it to be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
>>64270884
>Honestly, if I were in charge I'd issue an ultimatum and ban anyone from consideration in any form of the game if they play in a T20 league over their international side
they've done that before
I don't think you realise how fucked WI cricket is. Someone like Dwayne Bravo literally doesn't care if he doesn't play for West Indies. Last year he famously said his priorities are 1) Trinidad 2) Chennai Super Kings 3) West Indies.
The West Indies aren't a country, and the players don't care about it anymore. They just see it as playing international cricket for the WICB. Tony Cozier talks about it here http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/951937.html
Poopeelia Ltd.
>>64270917
And then the problem is T&T is the only nation that would be able to field a decent team if the Windies were dissolved and the islands became associate nations.
They're honestly beyond repair now
>>64270855
>not buying your mum 50 Shades of Grey so she can flick the bean to it
Why don't you want to make your mother happy?
>>64271017
Dad keeps her more than satisfied tbqh
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/14335028/picking-star-wars-character-all-star-teams-baseball-basketball-cricket-hockey-football-soccer#section-5
>>64271156
literally the most autistic shit
why is star wars so popular lads? Empire was the only good movie in the whole fucking franchise
>>64271165
The Old Republic and surrounding lore/legends/ is much better than the movies. I don't see the attraction to the movies.
>>64271165
>why is star wars so popular lads?
>KOTOR/II
>Battlefront Series
>Jedi Knight Series
>Rogue Squadron Series
[spoiler]in that order[/spoiler]
>>64271183
>The Old Republic
'no'
KOTOR 2 was fucking excellent, but purely because it deconstructed star wars and showed how shit it is.
The rest of the games are generally quite good, but that's not enough to justify the whole frenzy around it.
>>64271195
I agree entirely with that ranking, but it's Dark Forces not Jedi Knight you fucking nerd
>>64271204
The Old Republic is an era, not a game, you SEEEEEEEETHING CASUAL.
It covers both KOTOR I and II, the MMO and several book series.
>>64271220
TOR is LITERALLY the name of a game statscunt
>reading star wars books
I'd bully the shit out of you irl
>Poo Peeland "pitches"
and no, it isn't the thing off to the right of the image, its literally the strip in the centre of pic
>>64271225
The game is actually SWTOR, zerobese
KEK, where did all the poo peelanders run away to?
Aww, did the big mean AusGODS bully you away again?
poorpetually pooper poorturbed poo peeland poofters on eternal literally poorius damage control and pooicide watch
>poo peeland arguing with honourary poo peeland
*sigh*
>>64271237
Is New Zealand literally retarded?
>>64271270
krazycasual here
I don't watch watch/read/discuss star wars because I'm not a literal manchild. But it makes sense that statscunt does given that he is underage.
poo peeland ltd
Boxing Day soon lads.
poopeelia Ltd.
Poo Peeland Ltd.
>>64271345
Poopeelia Ltd
>>64271361
Cant wait for comfy football with eurofriends
Who's playin', sport?
Wayne Bennett is literally retarded.
KEK, where did all the
>>64271384
Australia and Windies (which will be shit)
England and South Africa (which will be good)
Doctor Jonathan Thurston, PhD.
Dr Pavel, CIA
>>64271396
Doctor of Petroleum
WalkGod MD.
>>64271396
JT on intelligent watch
>yfw da Heat win the premiers hip
>>64271413
Is he white?
WalkBro on Australian of the Year watch
>>64271425
His wife is
>>64271419
are the Brisbane Broncos related to the Brisbane Heat?
>>64271442
ABO'D
>stove shit critiquing ANYONES technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrs3Nv4lKA
oh i am laughing
>>64271459
Getting ready for the African child he's going to adopt?
>>64271461
I can't stand that Waleed fuck, but goddamn this is rich
>>64271461
That's canned laughter right?
No one actually finds this shit funny do they?
>>64271502
tbf it's difficult to produce anything entertaining when you're working with a literal autismo
>looks like a bit of swing
what did he mean by this?
Doctor Johnathan Thurston, D. Lit.
Rate my dinner
>>64271469
What the fuck, Is there a clip of that
>>64271543
No story for this one/10
>>64271543
If that's zinger 10/10
if its original 1/10
this was the premier album of the 2000s
If Dr Dre got an honorary PhD, would be be called Dr Dr Dre?
>>64271563
Dr Andre Young tbqh
https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/3x0y62/former_eels_staffer_recounts_the_moment_dean/
>>64271543
2/10
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
Walkcunt Ltd.
lads how about that cricket
>people are actually discussing meme20 leagues
wow
Does anyone miss when T20 was a literal joke and no one took it seriously? The games were actually 20 times more entertaining then
>the first ever T20I
Fuck Ireland
>>64271596
Need more rugby league GOATs to have a knock
how do we stop new zealand from posting in /cric/
Cameron Smith QC.
>>64271596
it's wew not wow, you cancerous newcunt.
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
>>64271596
it still is a literal joke tbqh
>>64271615
The real question is WHERE will the pathetic poo peeland poofters post once the NRL/AFL seasons start?
PP's don't even make up a significant number in /poog/, and they LITERALLY don't have a home community on /sp/.
Poo peeland on refugee watch
>>64271630
He's a D.Lit., not a PhD m8.
>>64271637
>Poo peeland on refugee watch
You know, illegal poo peelander aliens are the nationality that gets deported most from Ausland?
2016
Anybody set up a fantasy league? I'm keen to join if so
>>64271658
2016 the year they finally get shut down because of rampant rape/drug allegations?
Reminder that Zeb Taia is THE Supercoach buy of 2016
>>64271662
supercoach doesn't start until march
>>64271662
No fantasy died with convict
>>64271673
I mean bbl
who /white/ here
>>64271678
Convict died?!
>>64271671
Te Maire Martin m8
>come home from work
>the poopeelians are obsessing over New Zealand again
>>64271658
'no'
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
fatt on pooicide watch
>>64271707
>thinking any actual Basedogs fans outside of the shithole that is western Shitney had anything to do with that
North GOATland GOATboys, lead by Doctor Johnathan Thurston, D. Lit., on B2B premiership watch.
>>64271716
if Paul Green signs on to be QLD coach then Cowwies don't have a chance of going back to back
>>64271682
Saxon tribesman reporting in
>>64271721
The boys will go back to back m8.
No doubt about it.
And Paul "everything I touch turns to gold" Green will lead the Maroons to another Origin series victory.
>>64271735
>everything I touch turns to gold
>surname is Green
>>64271707
>"bogan Queenslanders" in the top 5
Lol, sucked in NSWfags
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
>>64271735
>touched goalpost
>broke leg
"okay"
>>64271739
>sucked in
KEK, is it still 1999, and are you 11?
Just woke up, wagecucks.
What's doing?
James Roberts officially signed with the Cowboys, lads.
>>64271731
German-Saxon Italian English super-hybrid AmeriGOD.
How can I be worshipped by you this evening?
>>64271759
>italian
>>64271761
>last day of year 12
>throw a bit of paper at a guy in class
>says "you are a poopoo head"
>he starts crying
>principal almost stops me from graduating because of it
don't pass notes lads
>>64271759
>Italian
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
>>64271759
>a wog
>in MY /cric/
>>64271635
>like 500 matches a year
>tons of massive leagues
>tons of players taking it seriously
>tactics
The fact that people actually discuss it and actually watch shit like BBL and IPL means it's not a joke anymore.
>>64271759
>italian
>mfw
>>64271764
Name a single downside to Italian heritage.
HARDMODE: other than my dick is comically large.
>>64271761
Whats it like having female attention?
How does it feel?
Can I feel it one day?
>>64270776
hi Daniel
Broncucks Ltd.
>>64271786
hair
shit olive skin
dumb dumb brain
>>64271759
That sounds gross
Who /purebritishdescendant/ here? Mostly Scot but some England.
Apparently a tiny bit of Norway but I don't mind
>>64270989
Jamaica, Barbados, and maybe Guyana wouldn't be too bad either, right?
>>64271786
Being a short, fat, tiny dicked greaser who lives with his momma
>>64271786
>shit names
>fat
>lazy
>nothing of note happened in Italy that wasn't Roman
>Italian is not Roman
>you can't claim any dank shit that the romans did
>>64271798
100% northern irish here
I'm literally related to several former bigshots in the IRA
>>64270989
They could all individually pull off passable meme20 teams
And as for First Class, it would give teams like Ireland more people to play against as opposed to just playing Afghanistan all the time
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
Johnathan Thurston, Doctor of Petroleum
>>64271805
I'm actually 6 foot and pretty athletic as I play basketball every day
I do live with mommy tho. Good call.
Also my hair is magnificent. you wish you had it.
Reminder that if you are not Serb, you are literally a subhuman piece of garbage.
If Jonathon Thurston got trapped in the desert, would he be Jonathon Thirst-on?
>>64271824
I'm literally teaching myself serbian so I can marry a serb qt
>>64271824
>couldn't stop the Turks from raping his country
>won't admit he's literally kebab
>>64271796
My olive skin is a hit with the ladies tbphwy.
Also I clearly have the philosopher's mind of my German-Saxon heritage so I dodged the yuro nignog bullet there.
Just admit I won the genetic lottery and I'll forgive your shameful (You) display.
If Johnathan Thurston got trapped in the desert, he would be Johnathan Thursty-Oilwell
If Johnathan Thurston was in a highly acclaimed band, he would be Johnathan Thurston Moore.
>>64271791
Not even kidding it's pretty surreal.
If you're not fuck ugly and have at least some skills at acting then yeah it's pretty easy
>he fires up his Australian proxy in order to "converse" with himself
>>64271614
GOAT T20 moment Tbh
>>64271769
I'm going to try that soon.
>>64271864
it's a sad day when this is the only interesting cricket being played in Australia all summer
>>64271863
>WindowsXP
Goddamn third worlders
>>64271863
She may be an anime chatacter, but she's literally me
>leave the white "men" to me
>>64271878
He sounds like a bitch desu
>>64271889
KP aswell
they're both big guys (for you and me) and pretty imposing players but both sound like complete and utter faggots
>>64271899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX_fRZwiLkQ
it's embarrassing
>>64271908
>to show whos got the biggest "6" in their "lockers"
>"Gay"le
>Fred literally meme'd his way into the commentary team
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIm3dKzzYlI
>>64271908
>nice of you to turn up as well, we didn't think you were going to turn up
>>64271943
>Flintoff
>Bumble
>Fleming
would this be the ultimate meme commentary team?
>>64271953
all three of them LITERALLY did Big Meme commentary last year
>>64271943
Is flintoff playing this year?
>>64271953
Add Kerry O'Keefe, then yes
>>64271965
No, just commentating. he was way too shit as a player
>you will NEVER listen to Kerry O'Keefe, Damien Fleming, David Lloyd, Bill Lawry & Andrew Flintoff combing to form the greatest meme of all time
why live
>http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-16/maitland-bar-gold-nugget-goes-on-display-australian-museum/7033902
That is the latest news folks
>215 replies
>19 posters
kek, nice ""community""
>>64271983
>No Shane Warne telling his GOAT story about how whats-his-face looks like that dude from American Pie
>>64271983
+ Mark Richardson
>>64271989
>Public servants continued to use the box as a wicket for impromptu cricket games
>public servants
Scum of the Earth
when does the big cuck league start?
>you now remember that this happened
>>64271989
Loving this new gimmick roosterman
Robelinda2 here
AMA
>Glenn Maxwelll WILL commentate test match cricket in your lifetime
BASED
Reminder that if it weren't for umpball New Zealand would have beaten Australia 1-0.
>farrah staying at the tigers in 2016
kek
KEK
Is there anyone more Based than Ian Based Healey?
>>64272004
Richardson is too patrician for ACBs Tbh (To be honest)
>>64272004
>>64272049
>P..P..P..PLEASE NOTICE OUR IRRELEVANT LITERALLY-WHOM COMMENTATORS BIG STRONG AUSTRALIANS
pathetic
>>64272047
nope, inb4 someone says >based, >not biased
>>64267684
haven't logged on HS for 4 days give me strength
>>64270917
Honestly cant believe they lasted this long tbf. The whole concept is such a colonial relic.
>>64270488
I feel so bad for Holder. He's been forced to give up on focusing on bowling and now has to be the allrounder as well as lead a bunch of unmotivated unco-operative shitcunts. Ramdin is the fucking worst. He hasn't done ONE thing to support his captain, when it's literally his job as the keeper.
Fuck that cunt.
>>64272060
so is the existence of your "country" and yet still it meanders along
>>64272072
Hey, at least we're willing to consider removing our imperial kuckstamp.
Stay pathetically loyal to a country that left you to die in the trenches in TWO World Wars. Your inferiority complex with England LITERALLY dwarfs NZ's with Oz, and that's saying something.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl5tVKE4tb0
Whats /cric/'s thoughts of Showry?
@64272056
cky (consider killing yourself)
>>64272078
>imperial kuckstamp.
Yeah, we should all embrace our Chinese overlords sooner rather than later.
>>64272078
you're not going to change your flag, but Australia WILL become a Republic after the hag finally hits the bag
>Your inferiority complex with England
its not an inferiority complex if >we are literally better than them at everything. Australia has surpassed the Shitstain in every comprehensible way except population.
Reminder that if anyone ever replies to your post with an '@postnumber' reply, you can count it as TWO (You)s, as they went to the effort of looking at your post number, copying your post number, reading your posts, coming up with a reply, typing that reply, posting your post number and typing '@'.
Thanks for the double (You).
>>64272090
how's that mining industry doing lad
>>64272078
it's more that we don't waste our efforts changing some meaningless symbol on a flag, unlike PP who genuinely believe it will stop people thinking it's part of Australia
24 HOUR HYPE
Big Meme League is a diamond in what has been a very rough summer of """""cricket"""""
>>64272095
better than >yours I gather
how that dairy "industry" doing lad?
What are you going to do with your "engineering" ""degree"" that you obtained from your """university"""? Install lamp-posts at the local farm?
>>64272095
What do you guys even do besides ruin fantasy books?
>>64272056
I literally knew this was coming as soon as I made that post
If Mark Richardson isn't in your top 3 commentators you are a SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHING fucking casual and should LITERALLY kill yourself
>>64267444
But I had?
>>64272105
Honestly I have no idea how they haven't gone under
Theyre exactly like Pissmania and the only reason Pissmania hasn't collective pooicided is because of all the G$T gibs they get. PP doesn't get that.
>>64272111
No you haven't you SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETHING fucking casual. We can see it on the league page that it says you haven't completed your team
Who's winning it all lads?
>>64272109
we're not even talking about best commentators, just memes. Literally no one thinks fucking Fleming or Flintoff are good commentators, they're just funny guys
You have such a fucking inferiority complex that you see the Big Strong Australians mention commentators and get into a pooturbed poonic and rush to mention your precious Poochardson before anyone forgets that your poothetic ""country"" plays cricket
>>64272116
>Honestly I have no idea how they haven't gone under
'
Illegal workers sending money home, worse than fucking Indians, at least Indians forge visas.
>>64272121
that's the league. In that we're unironically actually a 'team' competing against all the other 'leagues'
the /cric/ group is the one where it's a ladder and it has a few more people