>months of preparation and hype
>all done away with a lucky punch
>le precision beats power and timing beats speed
Nice "sport". What a great athletic achievement tonight.
>>64199081
Everybody has a plan until you get hit in the face
Holy shit, you are so angry
PISS OFF WE DID IT BABY WOO!!
Boxing is better because of the count and chance to recover.
>>64199081
>doesnt train in the gi at least 3 times a week
>thinks he knows anything about MMA
SMFH just stop canada
>>64199237
This. UFC needs to get rid of ground n pound
Shit is inhumane, for one. And more importantly boring.
"lucky".
if that punch was luck, there is no skill to be found in sports.
>>64199237
no... that just accelerates brain damage. and it's also more of a realistic fight to not have standing 10s
>>64199189
well said
>>64199314
Really? This is THE quintessential athletic display? I get he's Irish and you're feeling good cause you are too but that's a fucking stupid comment.
Don't worry Ireland, we're not attacking your country just cause we don't think an Irish fighter won a fight in an amazing way lel
>>64199404
He didn't throw a punch with his eyes closed.
Where's the luck in a precise punch?
ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS ANTIBIOTICS
>>64199327
>Realistic fight
>Can't kick the face while down
Bring back Pride
>>64199460
He hit him in the face. It's not like he hit him in a perfect spot at just the right time to perfect execute an ancient technique that will instantly knock out his opponent.. The man is the champ no doubt but it was a lucky way to get the W
ONE PUUUUUUUUUNCHHH!!
>>64199562
Aldo left himself completely open man. There was nothing spectacular about that punch, it was just the perfect opportunity to throw it.
>>64199551
the scoring in Pride was much better too
We found the One Punch Man of sports.
>>64199780
He isn't bald enough for starters.
>>64199237
useless trip with the worlds fattest comment
>>64199680
It was just awkward but what can you do. Start a fight like a retard and you'll go down like one. If you can't box, get close with your face shielded.
Its funny how all the mixed races attempt to defend Aldo.
There has never been a more decisive victory in the UFC yet you still bitch and complain. You make Aldo look worse than he is.
>>64199081
Are there any fans in the world dumber that Irish ones
>go to Vegas for 13 seconds
b-b-b but weekend in Vegas lads
No you went there for then ufc, knew it wouldn't last long and had to borrow more money from "da credit union bud" than you can actually afford
Muppets
>>64202117
you sound a bit bitter lad, im sure 95% of them had a top, top time and would do it again desu
Do we really have to do this again? Just like when Mayweather v Pacquiao was over, every fucking idiot on the planet had to share their opinion on how Mayweather is a "bad" boxer, and how boxing should really be; most of which was people, who had never seen a fucking boxing match before in their life.
Please, just shut the fuck up.
>>64202173
Boxing is gay, senpai
Even people who like that shit said that the MayPac fight was trash
I don't see how you /heem/fags justify this shit. I understand why and how its legit but watching this hyped up match start in end in a .gif is embarrassing.
Your sport won't even pay attention to Holly Holm despite the fact she destroyed the former champion they are more focused on Ronda because she's acting like a little bitch about losing. The fucking rematch is titled Holm to rematch Rousey even though it should be the other way around because she's the fucking champion.
>>64199236
>we
what part of Conor McGregor are you from m8?
>>64202377
his nuts obviously
But in all honesty ireland/mcgregor fans deserve it
shit was crazy.
We will have the shittiest champ in the history.
>>64199460
>Where's the luck in a precise punch?
all he did was throw haymakers with his hands down. The exact same strategy last fight resulted in him getting KOed by the same guy.
this sport is dumb fun in real small doses but it is fucking dumb and for dumb people.
>>64199237
boxing is only 1/3 of a real fight. I can't take boxing serious anymore. Mayweather was boxings biggest star for the longest time...thats all I have to say about boxing
>>64199237
Boxing is worse because it is a "game". Not a real fight, just a game to see who can score more points. The throwing of stupid punches to get points over actually injuring your opponent, the constant clinching.
The difference between UFC and Boxing is that boxing if fake, and UFC is real fighting. It's what I like to call a "feat" sport. Like pole vaulting, sprinting, olympic weight lifting. Not rules other than "do the thing". Lift the weight, run to the end faster, knock the other guy out, etc.
Games like boxing, basketball, football, etc are made up. "Throw the ball through the hoop" is pointless and stupid. Aliens wouldn't watch any of that made up bullshit, they'd want to know how strong we are as human beings, and what we can do. So they'd watch the pure sports like UFC
>>64202785
UFC is not a real fight either
>>64202814
it's as close as you're going to get while keeping your fighters safe.
aldo couldn't mewv like conor mewvs
mcgregor vs mayweather who would win?
>>64199958
2nded, ameribro
>>64202785
this is the biggest fedora moment i've ever seen
>>64202947
In a boxing match? Mayweather. In real life or mma? Mcgregor
>lucky punch
Why are people so stupid
>>64203096
it was a defensive spacing shot, not intended to KO m90
>>64202737
>that's all I have to say about boxing
that's why you're a pleb
I don't think this semen slurping sport is for me
>>64202785
>unathletic 14 year old retard; the post
>>64202785
>the world is made up of people like you
its a depressing thought
>>64203122
They don't decide "ah yeah this is gonna be my KO punch"
>>64202117
top kek this is 100% correct.
All of Conor's fans are absolute gutter trash Dublin scumbags, just like him. The only thing more pathetic than them are the "Irish-Americans" hanging on to Conor's nuts because they have no real identity or culture of their own.
>>64202785
underrated cringe
>>64203303
>>64203215
>>64203207
>>64203065
>tfw you'll never be a brainwashed retard who watches pointless games
>>64202785
if I had a fedora picture saved, I would post it on this (You) anon
>>64202898
Did Mcarthy just knee Aldo in the face?
>>64203295
>The only thing more pathetic than them are the "Irish-Americans" hanging on to Conor's nuts because they have no real identity or culture of their own.
speaking the truth
>>64203085
>In real life or mma? Mcgregor
why though? mayweather could just punch him out cold
>>64203295
This desu. Mcgregor just seems like a typical thug to me the kind of person you'd bump into at a nightclub and he'd try to start a fight with you typical manlet problems
>>64203295
The Irish self haters who need to whine whenever one of their countrymen wins something (rare enough as it is) are the most pathetic of all though
>gutter trash
lol, look at you trying to make it a class issue. All Irish are of the same class
was aldo seen as a champion of manlets? is this why so many are ravaged?
Fighting is a white man's sport.
minorkeks BTFO.
>>64203486
probably because Aldo had all the tools to win this and decided to act like a retard and fight angry.
Charging in like that without a proper setup. Anyone could see that fucking telegraphed combo.
Holloway survived and fought with a broken fought against McGee. Aldo should've waited like old fights. Emotions made me fight stupid.
Never seen Aldo charge in like that in the opening rounds.
>>64202830
So if you admit it isn't a real fight quit calling it "real fighting". Real fighting doesn't take safety into account, have round breaks, refs, judges, rules, etc.
UFC is a sport just like everything else, and a much shittier sport than boxing as evidenced by last nights "fight".
>>64202312
Not to worry Rousey can not beat Holm sometimes a fighter comes along who is your perfect match that is who Holm is to Rousey
She could fight Holm 10 times and lose all 10
>>64202785
Le Fedora man
>>64199081
I can't believe I forgot to watch this
someone post webms from weidman's fight, I haven't seen one yet
>>64203848
She's like a sexy prison guard. Wouldgetrapedby/10.
>>64203295
>The only thing more pathetic than them are the "Irish-Americans" hanging on to Conor's nuts because they have no real identity or culture of their own.
Holy shit, you're absolutely right. I live in Boston and the closest Irish Americans get to Irish culture is getting absolutely obliterated on St. Patrick's day. I'm pretty sure the majority of them don't even know who St. Patrick is or what a shamrock represents, yet they'll parade around Irish flags and act like Conor somehow represents them.
>>64203295
This, holy shit I can confirm. I grew up in an extremely Irish town and the people of the town and my faggot friends will not shut the fuck up about him because "muh heritage". If these "muh heritage" faggots went to Ireland, they would be in for a real surprise that people in Ireland would laugh at them and consider them stupid Americans.
>>64202898
esse dedé pederneiras devia ser expulso do MMA. Por algum motivo o idiota dos pupilos dele acham que podem fazer qualquer merda no octogono e ainda ganhar.
>>64199081
Still better than Ice Hockey.
>>64199081
>irish luck build
>>64204877
triggered to be honest
>>64203848
Is it just me that fantasizes about Holly Holm brutally fucking me with a 10 inch strap on then cuddling after?
>>64204919
Why not just imagine a real dick? Futa is Japan's greatest contribution to the world.
>>64203295
>>64203409
>>64204497
>>64204692
Butthurt brown people detected.
>name is McGregor
>somehow people actually thought aldo was going to win
>>64204919
>her
got some bad news for you bro
>>64202785
>Aliens wouldn't watch any of that made up bullshit
can't argue with your logic anon
FUCK MY SHIT UP PUDO
>>64202898
lol even the Hugweather fight was more exciting than this.
nice "sport"
>>64203295
>The only thing more pathetic than them are the "Irish-Americans" hanging on to Conor's nuts because they have no real identity or culture of their own.
>implying the entire fight wasn't all planned out by McGregor months in advance
https://twitter.com/GTEazyx/status/676031381382787072/video/1
It was clearly fixed
>>64202785
downvoted
why do people watch this shit sport, the biggest fights only last 30 seconds
>>64202785
>>64203422
Yeah because Mayweather is known for his power punches. Enjoy yoir dying sport friend.
>>64202898
>lunge in
>leave your legs behind
>get clocked with a str8 left down the pipe
Seriously. It's like both Holm and McGregor wone because they understood the fucking fundamentals of stand-up fighting.
>watching heavyweights Chris Arreola vs Kevin Kauffman last night
>Arreloa gets dropped twice;clearly loses the fight
>came down to split decision;last judge was a woman
>gave Arreola the win
fighting in general is a shit sport
Not fair, his beard was too intimidating, they should be banned.
>>64202785
I agree with you, boxing have too many things to make the fights last longer and the judge have to move in all the time to stop the clinch, its even irritating, even, which is a shame because boxing is really fun to practice
>>64203594
The Irish aren't even white. You obviously know nothing of Victorian racial science.
>>64206373
dying sport, mayweather and pac was the highest paid fight in history
>>64199562
>It's not like he hit him in a perfect spot at just the >right time to perfect execute an ancient >technique that will instantly knock out his >opponent.
Except he did with the ancient technique of punch to chin. Its not kill bill faggot with exploding heart technique. Mcgregor fucking raped him go cry in ur favela.
>>64202117
I wondered about this. There were so many irish in their early 20s here. I dont understand how they all could afford it. Ythough i did not8most of the ones dresses up in goofy suits were in the cheap seats, but still, those cheap seats were like $250.
>>64206940
>Mohammed in charge of knowing what's racial pride.
Get back when you have reconquered your country. We did it you fucking niger.
>ctrl f
>lmao bud
>0 results
I'm disappointed in you, /heem/
>>64202785
Obvious b8
>>64202312
>Your sport won't even pay attention to Holly Holm
Huh? How does a sport pay attention to people?
>>64202785
You're cool. I like you. No one can contest you other than call you a fedora tipper. You did well tonight anon.
>>64202785
>UFC is real fighting
>>64207130
Your typical southern rube American MMA fan says things like that on a weekly basis. They also believe watching MMA, being fat and wearing UFC t-shirts makes them amazing at fighting.
>>64199282
kek, allowing them to get knocked out and recover is way more inhumane. Say hello to parkinsons
>>64202117
Who wants to see their fighter in a war? You're there to see him win la
>>64203065
>>64206136
>>64203379
>>64204177
>>64207221
>>64199282
Git out.
Keep the GNP and add in soccer kicks, stomps, & knees to the head of grounded opponent like the PRIDE rules.
>>64204497
>College student from rural CT faggot detected
>>64205962
Top fucking kek
Da da da da daaaaaaaaaa
>>64202898
DAT SBG SPEED
>>64207156
Literally, >>64207221 what did I just say?
>>64206991
what about the rest of the year
>>64203468
Was thinking the same thing, all Irish are gutter trash
>>64203848
i'd give everything to fuck this chick
>>64207102
they saved up their dole
>>64207004
>tfw not Brazilian
>tfw I don't waste time watching ufc
>>64199551
Using boxing ring for mma is abit retarded tbhfmeszdsafmaskf
>>64202117
stay buttblasted you fucking paki cunt
>>64207320
Pride was animistic.
>>64199081
there was no luck involved retard, he punched his face and he got knocked out
>>64203295
>The only thing more pathetic than them are the "Irish-Americans" hanging on to Conor's nuts because they have no real identity or culture of their own.
>>64202830
If they really wanted to keep the fighters safe they'd take the hand protection off. Sure, you'd see more hand injuries, but there'd be fewer head injuries, concussions, and long-term brain damage. And of course it'd be closer to a "real" fight.
>>64202785
>>64203295
Everyone who lives long enough in the US will pick up American culture. Makes me rage when I see Americans think they're from another country because their parents were from that country.
>>64202898
BIg Jon kneeing him in the face as he runs in to stop it.
>>64199237
>Boxing is better because of the count and chance to recover.
kek
Yes, it mimics real-life fights almost exactly.
And the Mickey Mouse gloves allow endless head-punching, enabling near complete destruction of athletes brains.
Either way, the inevitable lawsuits headed toward both boxing associations and the UFC, Bellator, etc., will bankrupt both sports.
The NFL is already out a billion dollars, and boxing/mma don't have anything close to NFL cash.
>>64199081
>lucky
stay assblasted, snowback
>>64202377
have you seen that bulge fa,m
i could live in there
>>64199081
>>64199237
>>64199282
>>64199404
>>64202312
>>64202703
>>64203174
>>64203352
>>64203756
>>64205806
>>64209368
A few things ... 1st, why did this thread turn into a Boxing vs. MMA thread ?
2nd why do many boxing fans seem to think MMA does not require any skills ?
I mean fuck guise, have you even tried to do bjj, let alone mma ? the amount of moves to acquaint yourself with is colossal.
I love boxing too, but come on ... you cant even kick or knee, nevermind the takedowns... Why do you think its more technical when literally there are much less techniques allowed ?
How is Aldo`s quick loss to McGregor means that MMA is a shit sport that does not require any skill ?
Why do you think boxing is "superior" ? Is it because you can only punch, the ref separates you in every 10 seconds, and you can hug your way out of harm ?
>>64219204
Its because the best fighters resist the takedown and fight standing up. Boxers are forced to stand up so all of them are exploring the highest form of the technique and are probably better at it on average than the bottom 80% of the UFC
Ronda was forced to stand up and got BTFO by boxing technique. That was a woman's fight but the philosophy behind it is on display
>>64206563
thats the judging not the sport
>>64219824
So many strange claims in this post
>Its because the best fighters resist the takedown and fight standing up
I don`t know who you mean by best fighters ... a lot of them were wrestlers who learned stand-up and excelled at it. Couture, Jones, Cain and Cormier to name a few. They "resisted" the takedowns because they were great wrestlers, not because they were great boxers, you understand that right ? According to your logic, avoiding takedowns is a skill best learned through boxing and not wrestling/judo ? Pls think about that for a second.
> Boxers are forced to stand up so all of them are exploring the highest form of the technique and are probably better at it on average than the bottom 80% of the UFC.
Well first, they are not forced to stand-up, they are protected from going to the ground.
Second, even if standup was the "highest form of technique" as you claim, I hope you understand that boxing is really not the highest/most complete form of standup, as it does not allow kicks,knees and elbows. There is a reason why bobbing and weaving is not used very much in Muay Thai or MMA. There is a reason why boxing stance and defensive techniques will get you knocked out/taken down ...
> Ronda was forced to stand up and got BTFO by boxing technique. That was a woman's fight but the philosophy behind it is on display
The thing is MMA is a much more dynamic sport where athletes improve constantly, simply because there are so many areas to cover. Ronda getting knocked out by Holm does not mean boxing is superior to MMA. Are you gonna retract your claims if Holm gets takendown and submitted ? You cant really base these claims on the events of the day ... Earlier MMA was dominated by ground fighters, but you wont hear me say ground is better than standup. I would also like to remind you that it was a KICK that knocked honda out, which is NOT ALLOWED in boxing. So I guess you contradicted yourself there champ ....
>>64199081
>Lucky punch
It was anything but. It's hilarious how people bitch about shitty boxing in MMA then bitch when there's a case of actually solid boxing.
Anyway it was completely intentional. Conor set it up with a hand trap and caught Aldo coming in. There was nothing lucky about it.
Fact is if any of these boxing fan dinosaurs took one class at any decent BJJ school, they would change their ignorant opinion. Talking about boxing techniques without having a clue about how bjj techniques are designed to overcome stronger people. These guys have never been tapped out by a blue belt who's 50 lbs lighter than them. Boxing also uses big ass gloves that you can hide behind...look at Mayweather, his whole career is based off of using his shoulder and gloves to protect himself.
>>64199562
>It's not like he hit him in a perfect spot at just the right time to perfect execute an ancient technique that will instantly knock out his opponent
literally exactly what he did lmao.. minus that ancient branding, whatever that means
>>64202898
Hourly reminder that this was the most anticipated fight in UFC history, and it wound up being a bigger farce than Superbowl 48
>>64222431
Don`t even waste your time bro ... I think boxing fans are really butthurt because they know the truth as well as you and I ...
The funny thing is, you hardly hear an MMA guy talk shit about boxing. It only happens if a boxing guy talks shit about MMA. Boxers on the other hand cannot but talk shit about MMA.
While both boxing and MMA are "fight sports" there is no arguing against the fact that MMA is more of a complete form of fighting.
As for those people who say MMA is not real fighting ... it sure isn`t. But it is the most sparrable version of real fighting you can come close to. You cant really train "real fighting" according to these guys` definition of real fighting; it just happens...
I`d also like to remind everyone that when Krav Maga guys spar, they spar MMA. So just because you can`t gauge eyes, kick balls and all do other "fight to the death stuff", does not mean it is not effective... Not only that, but if you think just because an MMA guy does not train to gouge eyes, doesn`t mean they can`t in a real life situation. In fact I was watching a roger huerta self-defense bit, and he was saying how his first move against a taller guy in the street in clinching distance would be to head butt him.
>>64223435
Why? Is it because your boy got knocked out ?
>>64223493
>>64222431
Team of canadian super autists
I agree with you. I was illustrating the idea that striking is on top of the meta game which creates the misconceptions you see from boxing fans.
Why the persecution complex?
>>64223435
>most anticipated fight in UFC history
>wayyyyy more anticipated than 50 other UFC fights this year, no question
>>64223591
Lol it sounded like you were believing what you`re saying. I laughed at the canadian super autists comment though. As for the persecution complex, you might be right. im just really tired of boxing fans talking shit about mma ... i come from a family of boxers and i hear this stupid shit on the daily.
>>64223578
I'm not a fan of either of these mixed meme artists you turbofag
>>64223578
>your boy
leave nigger
>>64199237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyj1JKKiBT8
>>64223920
Practicing boxer here, huge MMA fan but I get what you're saying. All of the people I train with are the same way.
>>64225042
im half scottish half french fuckk boi. this is canada, we`re not racists daz all ... ya digg ?
>>64199081
Agi/Luck builds are best builds
>>64223920
I agree 100% bro. I can just see where good boxing technique can dominate most fights and trick plebs.
McGregor is a martial artist. People compare him to Ali, but I see more Bruce Lee in his philosophy.
With a classic Irish flavor.
>>64228433
>McGregor is a martial artist.
By this I mean he is commited the lifestyle and mindset. Not just learning techniques like other fighters.
He's really special.
>>64199189
Mike Tyson said that right?
the referee does totally clobber his head when he rushes in to call the KO and back the mc away
>>64206373
Mayweather did have some power in his prime. He was knocking guys out and stopping them but he later started having hand problems and had to use injections to numb the pain. He also moved up in weight so his ko% dropped. in 2000-2005 in his true prime he had both offense and defense.
>>64207596
Canelo vs cotto. It still did more than any Ppv in the ufc I believe.
>>64202785
>he has never seen a fight that doesn't end in a knockout/submission
Why do people keep thinking boxing is just about accumlating points?
The top P4P boxers in the sport all have high KO ratios
Gonzales - 86%
Golovkin - 91%
Kovalev - 86%
Canelo - 67%
Crawford - 70%
People should stop the meme that every boxer fights like Floyd Mayweather
>>64213107
How is taking hand protection off gonna be more safe tho? Wouldn't it cause more damage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i6WazIiEB0
gerara here
>>64229705
And they only mention Floyds current fights. Not the ones where he was in his prime actually stopping opponents.
>>64202898
Wow Aldo basically walked into Lefty's straight shot. It was beautiful, you can see the punch was thrown late, only after McG sees the open jaw.
>>64228353
LUCK ??? le butthurttttt>>64228353
much ?
>>64226046
i have the utmost respect for boxing. why cant we all get along ?
>>64199081
Why do casuals always speak with such authority on things they know nothing about?
>>64229770
No. There's no protection on your feet, dude.
Gloves are literally intended to protect the puncher's knuckles
clean punches like those are never luck but who gives a shit about midget fights?
I only care about categories with adult sized fighters
>>64233933
i dont get this mentality
>>64234040
So what you're saying is.......
.....................you haven't learned?
>>64208248
So would her husband
>>64234066
I havent learned what ? Not to care about more technical faster lighterweight fights ? I`ll take that over Struve vs. Roshold anyday.
>>64202898
he really is so fucking smooth, can't wait to see him at 155.
>>64233891
less protection = less hard shots, less quick KOs, more accumulating shots
>>64202785
>>64234284
he would get heemed
>>64234309
Also true. Thats what I get for jumping into a diacussion about a topic I give no shits about
Sorry for making /sp/ bad, bros
>>64203848
She is so obviously a roid monkey and I am legitimately mad that's how Rousey lost
>>64234479
New Mexican women > commiefornian women.
>>64203594
Daniel Cormier and Demetrius Johnson are both whiter than McMemer Tbh
>>64214268
UFC does because they don't pay their fighters Tbh
>>64207116
>yfw spanlels talking trash about other countries immigration policies
>6 (six) million (14% of total population) foreign born residents in Spain
>Spankeks immigrate to richer countries when economy crashes
get fuk'd you PIIGS.
>>64230001
who gives a shit about whether he's stopping opponents or not? I have nothing but disdain and contempt for that illiterate faggot but anyone with a minimum of understanding of the sport can't help but be in awe of the cunt. his technique got even better post-2005, he was literally flawless at his best
>PEOPLE DOUBTED THIS MAN
https://streamable.com/tsk5
>>64234461
Oh so that's why they took out head gear for amateur boxing? I didn't see how removing head gear or protection would be beneficial but they said now that they removed head gear there wouldn't be as many concussions.
>>64234844
His technique didn't get better, he just started being more defensive because he didn't have the power or speed like he did in his prime to keep fighting toe to toe and be on the offense more, so he started fighting more defensively and taking less risks.
>>64234438
But at least it'll be more competitive. Who do you see that beats him?
watch mcgregor push aldos right down so he can counter him with that left hook. thats where the knockout began. mcgregor did it perfect. wasn't luck. he capitalized on aldos recklessness,
>>64235345
in 155 ? pettis, rds, cowboy, khabib, ferguson
>>64234939
those ears would go well with some cheese and broccoli
>>64203295
you. i would buy you a beer if i could.
>>64199237
this
also the 4 ounce gloves end fights too soon.
>>64214268
>Either way, the inevitable lawsuits headed toward both boxing associations and the UFC, Bellator, etc., will bankrupt both sports.
Seems you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Typical.
>>64199081
Do you guys think Aldo was off roids this time?
I saw a WEBM of Joe Rogan saying he looked deflated and "didn't want to jump to conclusions"
Definitely looks less ripped/stocky compared to other fights
>>64235785
he looked tired, like he would rather be at home playing vidya. there was definitely something off about him.
>>64235201
Exactly, they realized that with the headgear the fighters only take more damage instead of it protecting them
>>64202785
You. I like you
>>64235785
Jose has been notorious for bad weight cuts iirc. Some where he was so bad off he couldn't speak or stand properly.
He looked ok at weigh ins but, if he was 100% for fight day who knows.
>>64233933
> Only cares about categories with adult sized fighters
>>64235785
Steroids played literally no part in the fight. Aldo did look slimmer this fight though.
>>64207255
I think you dropped this, good sir. Have a blessed day.
>>64234698
you do realize that ~9-10% of them are fat westerners who move to spain to enjoy their last couple years in absurdly hot weather
but yeah spain and portugal are the black sheep of western europe
>>64239402
>Steroids played literally no part in the fight.
....said the Brasilian.
