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/cfb/ - Mike Leach edition


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The absolute madman!
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>teams that lost
>implying they aren't shit
>teams that almost lost
>implying they aren't also shit

YOUR TEAM SUCKS
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First for couging
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do you guys think lex watched his team upset temple from prison
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>>63566081
bad for you maybe. bitch
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>>63566136
At least the teams that almost lost are better than the team that actually did lose
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>>63566150
GGG did you talk shit before the 2013 Sugar Bowl too?
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>>63566136
There is not a single good college football team

They are all overrated meme teams that would get bootyblasted by a non-meme team if one existed
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cmon bruins how could you get 10 gorillion offside penalties and not just play one man d when it counts

what
is
wrong with you
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Best of Mike Leach:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxBsXzvENpo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4veYug5pFo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8
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>your team
>how you did today

Texas A&M
>mfw
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>mfw ishmail adams "fumble" leads to WSU td

>mfw wsu wins by 3
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1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Ohio State
4 Notre Dame
5 Iowa
6 Oklahoma State
7 Oklahoma
8 Florida
9 Michigan State
10 Baylor
11 Michigan
12 TCU
13 North Carolina
14 Florida State
15 Stanford
16 Navy
17 Houston
18 LSU
19 Northwestern
20 Utah
21 Wisconsin
22 Oregon
23 USC
24 Mississippi State
25 Washington State
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>>63566150

It's okay. If my team got BTFO after a month of constant shittalking, I'd be mad too.
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>>63566211

>Ohio State
>People still saying we "struggled" after winning by 25
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>>63566242
Stanford is out if you are kicking out 2 loss teams.
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>>63566242
>8 Florida
>24 Mississippi State
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>>63566242
>20 Utah
>22 Oregon
>23 USC
>25 Washington State

maybe,maybe USC because they haven't lost in a while, and the committee seems to have a short memory just like sportswriters do
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>>63566176
i have no recollection of that game
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>>63566283
>we
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>>63566284
This desu.
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>>63566284
And Michigan and Wisconsin
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>>63566294
its extremely not happening dog

the pac 12 has fucked itself in the ass and penis at the same time
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>>63566283

Half the time people act like winning 55-45 means your team is way better than one that wins 28-3. Unless it's the SEC, in which winning 12-3 just shows what a dominant defense you have.
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JUST
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>>63566375
the issue is
>only putting up 28 on fucking Illinois
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>>63566375

I think it was more the way the points were spread out, that Ohio State didn't go up by 28 in the first quarter and send in the scabs, but rather scored steadily during the game.

Oh well. They're more than welcome to come to Columbus and take the crown from us if they feel they're so much better.
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>>63566284
I kicked out FSU and Northwestern cause they can't win their respective divisions. I kicked Utah out cause lol (You)tah.

>>63566286
Memphis, Temple, and UCLA all lost. Someone has to fill those bottom spots and the nod will go to recent winners and SEC teams.

>>63566347
They will be kicked out once they are officially eliminated from winning their division.
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>>63566375
imo, the only truly dominant wins are shutouts or where you don't allow the other team to score a td, scores along the lines of:
17-0
20-0
28-3

etc

personally, i'd consider a 14-0 victory more dominant than a 35-21 victory
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1. Clemson
2. Iowa
3. Alabama
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
7. Florida
8. Oklahoma
9. Michigan State
10. Houston
11. Northwestern
12. TCU
13. North Carolina
14. Utah
15. Stanford
16. Baylor
17. LSU
18. Michigan
19. USC
20. Florida State
21. Wisconsin
22. Oregon
23. Ole Miss
24. Toledo
25. Navy
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what is cfbs take on the rousey upset. i think its good because i never have to hear her fucking name again
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>>63566441
that is a stupid opinion. a 59-7 score is clearly dominant
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>dabo swinney said that this is football not a beauty pageant
>you just have to score more than the other team
>he thinks eye test doesn't exist
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>>63566447
meme personality in a meme sport
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>>63566444
>2. Iowa
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anyone see this Clemson shilling on Sportscenter.
>Clemson highlight with win probability in corner the entire time
>never dips below 70%
>even when throwing an INT while only being up by 7
>"THE POINT HERE IS THAT CLEMSON WAS NEVER IN ANY REAL TROUBLE"
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>>63566394
COUG
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Updated from mold bread.

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Oklahoma State
5. Notre Dame
6. Iowa
7. Oklahoma
8. Florida
9. Michigan State
10. Houston
11. Michigan
12. Baylor
13. Navy
14. UNC
15. TCU
16. Northwestern
17. Stanford
18. LSU
19. Oregon
20. Florida State
21. Wisconsin
22. USC
23. Utah
24. Washington State
25. Toledo
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26. Georgia
27. Arkansas
28. Appalachian State
29. Miss State
30. UCLA
31. Memphis
32. Texas A&M
33. Pittsburgh
34. Temple
35. Western Kentucky
36. Bowling Green
37. Air Force
38. South Florida
39. Penn State
40. Tennessee

>all these 3-loss P5 schools and meme Go5 teams

Looks like I figured out for myself why they stop ranking after 25. #17 and down is such a clusterfuck
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>>63566447
See I don't hate Rousey because I hardly care about UFC, and I'm a not a contrarian little "muh sekret club" bitch who hates anything the moment it gets popular in the mainstream.

Also caught Holm's interview and she seems like a nice woman, so good for her for winning.
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>>63566418

As opposed to only putting up 19 on fucking Tennessee? That has hardly hurt people's perspective on 'Bama.
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>>63566447
>i never have to hear her fucking name again

Till the rematch
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>>63566480
sure, and a 100-7 score is too.

my point is i consider holding a team scoreless (or nearly so) more impressive than just racking up way more points.

i'd consider 17-0 more dominant than 59-30 despite the margin of victory being less
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>>63566444
>choklahoma that high
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>>63566357
>oregon c u c k s stanford
dat classic PAC feel
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honestly i know clemson will be ranked over bama but does anyone actually believe bama wouldnt curbstomp clemson head to head
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>>63566211
Mississippi State
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>>63566528

>inb4 Tennessee would win any other conference
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>>63566447
Holm didn't seem that obnoxious, and we get to drink salty Dana White tears for the rest of the year. I'm okay with it.
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>>63566534

>the teams below them aren't any better
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>>63566211

>Cal
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>>63566551

Not even a Clemson fan but no, I don't think they would. Clemson may be a meme but 'Bama looks anything but dominant.
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>>63566211
Michigan
Still alive for the playoffs, so gr8
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tOSU
2. Bama
3. Oklahoma
4. Clempson
5. BootyBlasters
6. Iowa
7. Houston
8. Northwest Missouri St.
9. OK St.
10. Jacksonville State Gamecocks
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>>63566534
every team in your top 20 is better
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>tfw WSU could easily have just 3 wins this season or be unbeaten.
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>>63566551

Bama would lose to any other team currently in the top 4.

Their secondary is ass, Kiffin is still a retarded playcaller, their big claim to fame this season is taking a dirty poo on an overrated LSU team and they got supremely memed on by Ole Piss.
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>>63566553
MODS
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>>63566518
>All those literal who's and shit teams after Florida State
>Georgia below Toledo and Washington "lost to Portland State" State

Top 15 is perfect, but the rest is pure autism
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>>63566444
>15. Stanford
>19. USC
>22. Oregon
'no'

Oregon's losses happened while their QB was out, they won't jump standford till SD get booyblasted, but they'll definitely hop over USC
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>>63566548
>mfw stanfraud finishes 8-4
would make my year desu
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>>63566559

I've had pretty much that exact argument with someone tonight already.
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>>63566211
>Texas Tech
>To put it in terms you'd understand, "We gottum bowl elidigible, Agfag."

I almost don't hate you now that you're out of the conference.
>almost
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>>63566211
>NC State
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>>63566639

huh...are you saying Oregon should be in the top 20
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>>63566607
When you play the game of pirates, you either win, or coug it
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Holy shit rousey shilling out the ass on E!SPN
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>>63566688
more than usc, and more than stanford after they get bootyblasted
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>>63566717
Did you not expect damage control?

They literally made her and Serena out to be the MJ's of women's sports
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>This ESPN segment devoted to someone who had only won 12 matches before tonight

Why does ESPN get so anally devastated when one of their poster children gets tossed? Rousey hasn't even been relevant for 5 years, and she's being mentioned with Floyd, Ali, and Frazier.
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>>63566741

Serena is elite
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DAILY REMINDER THAT BASED WAZZU HOLDS THE HEAD-TO-HEAD TIE BREAKER OVER OREGON WHEN STANFORD COLLAPSES AGAINST ND AND CAL, AND WILL INEVITABLY WIN THE 2016 ROSE BOWL
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>>63566757
The music and way the narrator was talking it sounded like she was killed by isis
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>>63566518
>temple still ahead of south florida after we beat them
ok
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>>63566757
ESPN is the biggest sjw faggot network on cable.

I can't watch it anymore anyone catch their poop swastika coverage?
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>>63566770
I never said she isnt, but she's not the greatest thing to ever happen to tebnis, male or female, like they make her out to be. Womens tennis isn't even real tennis, the play like half a match.
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>>63566733

They play USC next week. So if they win...it'll happen
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>>63566791
>Unironically losing to Memphis and Maryland

Not him but just no.
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>>63566211
>Oregon State
All the usual. I just want this season to end. Also, for fuck's sake Stanford you had one goddamn job. Now, not only are the Fucks going to be next in line to be ranked (if not ranked already), the entirety of the PAC is kicked out of playoff contention.
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>>63566797

I was accidentally subjected to some of it. They acted like most of the rest of the media treating the whole thing like it was a modern march on Selma. Somebody yelled a slur and there as a poop swastika, FIRE EVERYONE, FOR JUSTICE!
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>There is a legitimate chance of a Wazzu/USC ccg

Who ready for the meme championship game of the century?
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>tfw another close loss to a far superior team

JUST
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>>63566791

>hurrr Texas still not ranked in the top 10 after they beat Oklahoma
>hurrr Ole Miss not ranked no. 2 after they beat Alabama

jesus christ, sdfu
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>>63566865
>tfw family split between SC and Wazzu alums so grew up liking both

My angus is ready
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>USC takes lead in Pac South and suddenly SC fans start posting
Fuck off. I've been here shitposting for troy every week of the year all day every day. I saw almost no other fans when Sark was Sarking. Fuck the fairwheather fans. Also fuck UCLA.
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>>63566911
>tfw Sark's alcoholism got worse and he started showing up to games and practices drunk because he was sad over his marriage ending and his kids being taken away from him and it eventually cost him his dream job

Poor old Sark, lads. It didn't have to end this way.
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>>63566965
read that he was insecure and effete even before all that shit went down
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>>63566885
But didn't Ole Miss jump from 15 to 3 after they beat Bama?

And then promptly lost to UF :P
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>>63566911
i've been here faithfully shitposting pro-usc propaganda and anti-sec propaganda all season...all decade it seems
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>>63567072

My point was that just because Temple lost to USF doesn't mean all of the sudden USF deserves to be ranked higher than Temple. Temple has 2 losses, USF has 4.

Btw gatorfella, do you go to UF or did you graduate already
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>>63566830
>4 games lost
>3 of which were to top 25 teams
no excuse for Maryland, but we played well against all those other teams. Our schedule was also much more difficult than Temple
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>>63567164
see
>>63567211
temple schedule was much much easier than usf. we'd probably have the same record as them right now if we played the teams they played. temple will most likely get blown out by memphis while we beat both cinci and ucf, giving us top spot in the aac east
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>>63567164
I understand your point, just that one of the examples you used was a bad one.

And I graduate this coming spring.
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>>63567258

wut...they have pretty even SoS

Florida State = Notre Dame
Navy = Penn State
Both play Cincinnati, East Carolina, UCF

Massey has USF at a ranked SoS of 71, and Temple at 77

>>63567277

This is my last semester. :^)
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>>63567354
>navy=penn state
>FSU= notre dame
nigga what? also wheres the memphis equivalent on that list?
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>>63567414

They literally play memphis next week

Also..if anything, Notre Dame was a more difficult opponent then FSU
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>>63567451
i agree notre dame is better than fsu, the what wasnt to imply fsu was better. penn state is way less of a challenge than navy. i realize they play memphis next week, but im arguing that so far USF has had a much harder schedule and would be topping the ACC east if they had the schedule temple has had so far. although im still pretty confident we will take the title once temple blows it to memphis
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>>63567490

>Penn State was much less of a challenge than Navy

Your argument makes no sense. Their SoS is almost literally even.

40 game losing streak to Penn State dating back to 1940's. They get the win and Penn State is 7-3 this year. Penn State is roughly in the top 30, and Navy is roughly in the top 25.

That game against Maryland must have been tough
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So the Pac 12 is officially out.
Are we all agree that the only hope for Big 12 is now Okie State because a 11-1 Notre Dame will always be on top of a 11-1 OU or Baylor?
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>>63567939
Do we*
Sorry I'm just waking up.
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>>63567939
11-1 OU will get in
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>>63567939
Either Oklahoma team has a shot. Oklahoma's resume would be pretty tough with wins in Waco and Stillwater.
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>>63567994

OU is they only Big 12 team with a loss allowed to get in.

But they will get in.
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>>63568060
ND's signature win at this point is probably Navy now that Temple has imploded and Stanford choking didn't help them either.
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>>63568078

And every other conference has an extra tough game to lose.
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>memetah loses again

Thank you Jesus
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How the fuck is the PAC12 going to shake out now? Who will be the conference champs?

What a shit-show of a conference.
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>>63568214
C O U G S
O
U
G
S
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1. Alabama
2. tOSU
3. Notre Dame
4. Florida
5. Arkansas
6. OSU
7. Oklahoma
8. Iowa
9. Michigan State
10. Michigan
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>mfw ND loses to Stanford; Iowa and Okie State lose and Navy wins out thus getting into the playoffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acnt3r6z5ns
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In much more important things, KU will beat K-State on thankgiving weekend at KU to prevent a winless season. I know this, it came to me in a dream nay a prophecy.
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>>63566865
READY
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>>63566911
Hey man I loved shitposting about sark earlier this year
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If Auburn pulls out a fluke win against Bama and Bama still moves on to win the SEC championship, will Bama be left out of the playoffs?
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>>63568596
You can't get in with a 2 losses record.
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>>63568596
m8 it was fun to talk about Bama losing to Georgia, Arkansas, TN, LSU, and MSU. But now it's just bullshit

Auburn doesn't stand a fucking chance
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>>63568648
And this desu
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>>63568648
>>63568656

>Auburn doesn't stand a fucking chance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIBNX0CXDc
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>>63566211
>Navy
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He's wrong, right?

Oregon can still make the playoffs if we win the conference, right?
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>>63569177
Pac is dead. But we get all the good games, so it makes up for it.
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1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Notre Dame
5. Iowa
6. Oklahoma State
7. Florida
8. Oklahoma
9. Baylor
10. Michigan
11. TCU
12. Florida State
13. Stanford
14. LSU
15. Northwestern
16. Navy
17. Utah
18. Houston
19. North Carolina
20. USC
21. Texas A&M
22. Washington State
23. Mississippi State
24. UCLA
25. Wisconsin
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>>63569300

Switch Bama and Clemson and you're perfect.
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>>63569177
So basically the CFP will be:

-SEC Champ
-B1G Champ
-ACC Champ
-Notre Dame unless they fuck up
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>>63569310

I'd say an undefeated Okie State would go in even if ND wins out.
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>Dennis Dodd of CBS Sports reported Miami has reached out to Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator Mike Shula.

Should I be worried?
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What will be your excuses when Iowa runs the table this year?
>Big Ten Sucks
>Iowa Sos sucks
>They do not deserve a playoff spot
>They do not pass the eye test
>Their players are slow and untalented.

Choose your own adventure cfb. Tell me why you hate us and I will feed off your delicious rage.....
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>>63569819
No excuse, I'm just going to laugh and laugh, and laugh when Iowa gives Ferentz an unbreakable fifteen year contract after this year.
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>>63569905
He already has one.......
Thru 2020, 13 million buyout, 3.65 million.

How is this a bad thing? This is Iowa, the best thing about Iowa City is drunk hot chicks, football, food, and a mall.

You realize in Iowa you are always at least 15 minutes from a corn field? And even lgess from actual livestock?

We only get good recruuts because he has proven to get players draft ready despite their star rating in high school.
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>>63569966
>how is this a bad thing
Until this year weren't most Iowa fans clamoring to get Ferentz fired?
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Official French top 10
1- Clemson
2- Alabama
3- Ohio State
4- Oklahoma
5- Notre Dame
6- Oklahoma State
7- Iowa
8- Florida
9- Michigan State
10- Baylor
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>>63570574

>Plagiarized AP poll moved 2 teams around and called it his own

CFP tire
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>>63570631
>implying there is a lot of choice for the top 10.
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>>63566435
If you're putting an SEC team into 24/25, it should be Ole Miss, not State. Ole Miss managed to win in Tuscaloosa, and only lost to Arkansas by a point on a crazy 4th down conversion.

Plus, Stanford above Northwestern is a complete joke. Florida shouldn't be top 10 after narrowly escaping with a win over VANDERBILT. Michigan should be a couple spots lower since their last two wins have been close as fuck against shitty teams. TCU should drop a spot or two for only have a touchdown lead over a fucking 0-10 team
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>>63570672
>>63566600


Oh yeah, some aren't a part of the AP top 10.

That means they could never be top 10.
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Don't mind me, just posting ELITE squads
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>>63568596
But Bama won't move on to the championship. Ole Miss would in that case (provided LSU and MSU keep up the shit play. Or Ole Miss's secondary remembers how to block a pass. Either works.)
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>>63570733
something about the number 12 just makes any qb elite
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UNC is going to win out desu senpai
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>>63569441
Mike Shula seems like a good fit. He has the right name to coach in Miami at least.
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1 Bama
2 Clemson
3 OSU
4 ND
5 Oklahoma
6 OK St
7 Iowa
8 Florida
9 MSU
10 TCU
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>>63571635
>TCU over Baylor despite getting BTFO last week and barely scraping by Kansas
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>>63571672
oh yeah swap in baylor at 10 forgot they existed
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Iowa should be ranked between 10-15. Prove me wrong

>you cant
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>Every article I read about Iowa this morning
"The resilient Iowa obtains another solid win against a scrappy, never-say-die attitude Minnesota"
>Every article I read about Oklahoma State this morning
"OSU avoids an embarrassing repeat of 2011 by barely scraping by against a flailing Iowa state team"

Why is this allowed? Minnesota is as shit or shittier than Iowa state, and Iowa barely beat them at home while Okie State was on the road. Why are they ranked above them in the first place? Their strength of schedule is worse. So is Ohio State's, but at least they're the defending champions. What does Iowa have going for them that makes them better than OkState?
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>>63571698

Read better sites, scrubzilla

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589509-oklahoma-is-the-ultimate-college-football-playoff-crasher
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>>63571698
could it be. no. it can't possibly a
.
.
.
.
.
big 10
.
.
.
bias?
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>>63571635

>No D2

Thanks Jim Rome.
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>>63571698
why do you care? just keep winning and you're in
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>>63571818
I'm starting to really doubt about it.

(And Okie State will not remain undefeated)
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>>63571818
Because I'm scared that's not going to be the case. I'm afraid we're gonna win out and be kept out by Notre Dame or something. I sure hope I'm wrong but the committee hasn't given me much reason to feel better about it yet.
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>>63571818
>>63571934

Although it will all probably be a moot point because, as French bro said, we probably won't stay undefeated
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>>63571934
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE
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>>63571934
>>63571939
>>63571961
i guarantee you an undefeated ok st would not be held out of the playoff
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how much longer does he have, lads?
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>>63572042
out if next year goes badly
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>>63571939
If you beat OU, you're in undefeated..
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>>63572042
this is what happens when you sell your soul to satan for a few lucky plays that meme you all the way to the NCG
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>>63572131
This.

If they get held out it will be the second time Oklahoma State will be responsible for a change on how title games work.
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>>63571939
ND will lose against Stanford

an undefeated OK st or 1 loss OK will be in the cfp
I honestly think OK is severely underrated in the rankings and that they'll get into the cfp and run the table
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>>63572199
>ND will lose against Stanford
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>>63571698
Iowa State got murdered by the same three teams OU, TCU, and Baylor. Plus Iowa only allowed 17 points against the Cyclones and Oklahoma State trailed most of the game. Do you really expect them to jump Iowa?
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>>63570733
Can't wait to see UNC get stomped by an actual opponent
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Can you imagine how ESPN would react if the playoffs were teams like Iowa vs North Carolina

I just cant imagine it happening they wouldn't allow it
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>>63572331
Cannot wait until ESPN dies.
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>>63572313
>UNC wins out, beats Clemson in the ACC championship
>go on to win CFP
>basketball team wins tourney
>mfw UNC becomes Florida 2.0 with elite football and basketball teams
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>>63572227
Iowa was tied with Iowa State until the last 2 minutes of the game, and trailed for at least part of the game. They did end with a better win, but it wasn't as good as the final score looked.
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>>63572358
Kentucky is going to bootyblast you
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>>63572003
Let's make some suppositions here
>Bama stays at one loss and destroys Florida
They're in
>Ohio State remains undefeated and beat Iowa
They're in
>Clemson not clemsoing (even if North Carolina looking good desu)
They're in
>Notre Dame booty blasts Stanford
They're in
>Okie State remains undefeated
Depends of the victories
>OU beats TCU then Okie State
They're probably out

Tbh I have the feeling that the comitee wants rematchs between Clemson and Notre Dame and OSU and Bama.
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post >yfw the committee keeps Notre Lame at #4 despite all but one of their quality wins looking like shit now
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>>63572448
>>63572227

But no, I don't think osu should jump them, u think they should have been ranked over Iowa in the first place
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>>63572331
>year by year non walmart tier schools start to win championships since popular teams like Alabama and Ohio State seemingly self destruct
>cfb postseason ratings plummet, nobody wants to watch undefeated SMU face one loss Utah State for the 2019 Natty
>ESPN/NCAA/CBS/FOX/ABC realize the BCS wasnt so bad
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1 Clemson
2 Alabama
3 Oklahoma
4 Michigan

I just want you all to bet on this happening.
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>>63572556
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>>63572488
France knows what is up. This is all for TV ratings with those rematches.
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>>63572556
>michigan
Literally who
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>>63572611
It's me Biff I have the book
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>>63572643
They'll win out and beat Iowa while literally ND loses to Stanford and OK State loses along with Baylor again.
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>>63572556
>4. Michigan
>MSU playing like shit
>Utah starting to collapse
>OU with only one lose
>Okie Lite undefeated
Seems legit
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don't mind me just posting an old meme
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>>63572719
Emoji fag nowehere to be found lol
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>>63571635
>9 MSU
HOPE IS ALIVE! OHIO STATE WE COMMIN FO YOU NIGGA
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>>63572689
this fucking delusion
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>>63572798
It's all in here
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>>63572795
Bro we aren't winning that game.
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>>63572857
How are you gonna get anything done in life with that attitude
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>>63572358
>All this plus a Panther bowl win
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>>63572881
Even if we do, the committee would slot us in at #5 no matter what, unless some crazy shit happens. Our team doesn't generate ratings compared to some of the others there.
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>>63566242
>Mishitstain moving up after going to OT with Indiana
>Pissisippi State still being ranked

Simply terrrible
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>>63566435
Mississippi State has no business being ranked. Every decent team they have played has beat them, and they haven't had any significant victories.
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>>63572992
>b-b-but muh Dak Prescott
>muh record setting qb
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>>63566418
Should have been 35. On tOSU's first drive, a clear td by Barrett got taken off the board.
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>>63566483
>this is the sole reason his team jumped Ohio State in the rankings.
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>>63572631
>>63572906
>TV ratings

When will this meme die, the committee is not ESPN they don't give a fuck about ratings.

The best teams will be picked just shut the fuck up about the jews and the tv ratings. They will get huge ratings no matter who plays.
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>>63573137
good goy
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>>63570770
No way State loses the Egg Bowl in Starkville
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>>63573137
See
>>63572542
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>>63573008
>this mad
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What are the rules on NY6 Bowl selection? What do you have to be in the rankings to be considered? (Is it top 15 like the BCS was?) If both Michigan schools beat OSU, what are Michigan's chances at an NY6 Bowl? (I assume they're good)
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>>63573333
>Dak gets quads


Glorious.
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>>63572899
Quick /sp/, where were you when the Carolinas became the GOAT football states?
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>>63571698
Minnesota has a BRUTAL schedule and has hung with some really good teams.

Iowa State is a fucking train wreak.
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akron should be able to get a bowl invite this year
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>>63573292
I just don't get it the best teams always get picked, the season tends to work itself out. The BCS was not wrong that often with their championship game.

Last year they picked the right teams, they will this year as well. Faggots love to cry, if it was an 8 team playoff teams 9 and 10 would bitch.

No one is saying put Houston or any other meme teams in the CFP. It is just teams with low self esteem like msu and Oklahoma st that love to play the no one likes us card, when if you win you will be in.
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>Pac 12 mathematically eliminated from the playoffs
>Big 12 mathematically eliminated from the playoffs
>Clemson will eventually have to Clemson
>The Big Ten will find a way to canabalise itself
>Notre Dame will be bootyblasted
>Houston won't switch to a P5 conference on time

Folks, the dream is finally coming true. Four SEC schools in the playoff. God's conference. You know it all to be true. Final rankings:

1. Bama
2. Florida
3. LSU
4. Ole Miss

All I can say is this: Suck my fucking dick you Big Ten pansies. Last year's Ohio State game was complete bullshit, a fluke for the ages. This year y'all Fuckeyes won't even have a chance to compete in the playoff, so you can suck my fucking dick. God damn the Big Ten. God damn the Pac 12. God damn the Big 12. God damn the ACC. God damn Notre Dame. God damn every irrelevant school that wishes it could some day play in the Chosen Conference. You know full well in your heart that the SEC will win it all this year, and every following year that there continues to be green grass and football. If you are a northern piece of a shit, you don't deserve the grace of God's game. Your shitty conference will never come close at to ours. Go too hell
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>>63573603
>no arkanas
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Will Clempsun finally drop out of the committee rankings after that debacle yesterday?
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>>63573669
Yes, they have no place being anywhere near the top 25.
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>>63573425
It would have been nice if Minnesota got at least one win over the teams they've hung tough with, but they are the kekest team in the kekest state
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>>63572358
>Death penalty retroactively takes away titles
10/10 would kek
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>>63573689
Finally
Some guy who knows the truth
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>tfw you wake up and realize that there will not be a pac12 team in the playoff this year
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>>63574012
GDTP12
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>>63573603
LSU fan has to resort to absolute delusion for his team to get back in. top kek
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I can guarantee in 2021 something similar to this system will be implemented with regards to the playoffs:

>expanded to 8 teams
>season either starts 1 week earlier, or teams drop 1 non-conference game from schedule
>cfbp guarantees 5/8 bids go to conference champions, who must play in a conference championship game, following the 2020 debacle of 11-1 Texas receiving the nod over 11-1 Oklahoma State despite losing the head to head matchup, as the Big 12 yet again refuses to name an outright championship
>1 bid goes to the highest ranked non Power 5 team (beginning in 2027, after winning this bid in 5 of 6 years, this spot will be referred to as the ND bid. Ironically, in 2027 ND loses to Navy, who, going 12-0, earns their first bid)
>the 2 remaining spots go to 2 at large teams, who must either have won their conference if non Power 5, or played in their CCG if they are power 5

>2023: Washington State beats Michigan, Notre Dame, and undefeated Mizzou en route to a 14-1 National Championship on the arm of Heisman winner Paul Stark, who goes 53-60 for 5 TDS and 543 yards in the 54-52 victory
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>>63566211
>OU
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>>63566610
>Ole Miss

I have to think that if Chad Kelley can meme Bama then TCU, Baylor, OU, TTU, Okie Lite, Memphis, Tulsa, and Clemson would have no trouble.

I mean both UGA and TAMU benched their Qbs. These are the offenses that Bama has been playing.
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>>63566757
Everyone saw this coming. Ronda has been dominating roided out soccer moms or people that didn't even learn to fight until they were 20 and are now like 30+.

She fought an actual fighter and got hammered. Ronda's game has always been simply overpowering everyone.

Holly was just too strong for her.
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How does OSU line up against Iowa?

From what I am seeing Iowa has a killer oline and some really good defensive players.

OSU has talent everywhere but is allowing some points.

I dont see it being a blowout if Iowa can run the ball well. If not then OSU rolls.
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=WIN AND YOU'RE IN TIER=
Ohio State
Clemson
Iowa
Okie State
Alabama
Florida

=NEED A LITTLE HELP TIER=
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Michigan State
North Carolina

=PROBABLY DONE TIER=
Baylor
TCU
Michigan
Houston
Stanford
Utah
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>>63574476
>season either starts 1 week earlier, or teams drop 1 non-conference game from schedule
There's no way either of those things can happen
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>>63567997
OU is the number one team according to FPI and SOS.

They went into Baylor and won a game against a team that hadn't lost at home in 20 starts. They were ranked 6th in the nation. They had the highest scoring offense in the nation.

Oklahoma has beaten the first AND second highest scoring offense in the nation, as well as the 23rd.

Oklahoma is the only team in the nation to be top 15 defensively and offensively, and they've been the best team in the nation in both categories each of the past past five weeks. During that time OU has also lead the nation in both passing AND rushing.

There is no way that ND deserves to be in over OU. OU should be over Okie Lite for the simple reason that OU will be favored in the head to head.
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>>63570574
>>63570631
I would put Iowa and Oklahoma State over ND. Iowa and Okie Lite have better wins. The most impressive thing about ND's season so far is that they almost didn't lose to Clemson.
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>>63571716
This isn't news. Herbstreit has been saying this since OU lost.

He said that the way the OU schedule stacks up, if OU wins out, it could aggravate a lot of sphincters come November.
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>>63575527
Why not
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>>63575883
If OU wins out, and Iowa beats Ohio, Neutered Dame will absolutely get the nod over the hawkeyes.

I don't like it anymore than you do but TV ratings are TV ratings.
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>>63576006
Season needs to start with students on campus which eliminates early start time
No way they eliminate a game of revenue for 128 schools so 8 can have a playoff game. Just makes no sense
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>>63576169
You don't think the playoff will ever go to 8 games?
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>>63576254
>>63576169
*teams
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>>63575346
I don't know, could they really keep out UNC if they miraculously won out? Given that Clemson is ranked #1, and UNC only has one loss, from the start of the season, I have to think that they'd get in, even begrudgingly.
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AP rankings are out

1. Clemson (34)
2. Ohio State (2)
3. Alabama (4)
4. Oklahoma St.
5. Notre Dame
6. Iowa
7. Oklahoma
8. Florida
9. Michigan St.
10. Baylor
11. TCU
12. North Carolina
13. Houston
14. Michigan
15. Stanford
16. Florida St.
17. LSU
18. Utah
19. Navy
20. Northwestern
21. Wisconsin
22. USC
23. Oregon
24. Washington St.
25. Ole Miss

http://collegefootball.ap.org/poll
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>>63577312
That's eerily close to my rankings.
>>63566242
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>>63577312
>12. North Carolina

IDS HABBENING
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>>63577400
>screenshotting leddit
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>>63577456
Yeah sorry but it's very graphical...
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>you will never not be a corndog
>you will never have a good quarterback
>your offensive line will never be elite
I can't even shitpost anymore.
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>>63577400
Am I the only one who thinks Okie Lite and OU should be changed?

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest over things like FPI, SOS, stats, game control, or who has the more impressive wins, but does anyone think that Okie Lite would beat OU in a game?

OU would be favored wouldn't they? Shouldn't this by itself make them the higher ranked team?
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>>63577312
Wait.
Wait.
Wait.

Ole Miss loses to Memphis, has 3 losses, and is ranked ahead of them?

The media sure is pushing that Alabama SOS.
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>>63577595
>m-muh night games in death valley
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>>63566211
>Michigan
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>>63578057
I do think the same.
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>>63578249
They're fun as fuck when we aren't playing like shit tbqswyf (to be quite sincere with you family)
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>>63577312
>>63577400
>24.

IT'S HAPPENING
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>>63578434
JUST BELIEVE FRANCEBRO

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE

Also OK State is still the underdog against Baylor and OU despite being undefeated for some reason.
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>>63577400
>UNC up to 12

it's happening
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>>63573603
>3 SEC teams were in the intial rankings
>3 SEC West teams, actually
>could had even been an Egg Bowl semifinal
Now tell me, how many SEC teams made the first playoff?
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>>63576169
This isn't true. When Ohio State was on a quarters system the school year would start in late September, and the first 3 football games were before students were on campus. This happened up until 3 years ago when they switched their school calendar around.
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>>63577312
>look at rest of the points
>Texas AM has 8 points
>people wanted to put Texas in the rankings.
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>>63576801
The only question is if a B1G, SEC, and Big XII team are in, and it comes down to UNC vs Notre Dame, who would get in? It's quite possible, just not a 100% lock like the top tier is.
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>>63576169
>he thinks schools care about revenue from butts in seats

Trust me, they'll be happy to have an empty stadium like most do if they'll get a ton of money from the playoff system.
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>>63579970
Stanford will eliminate ND
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https://i.imgur.com/W6vDxPO.png
Jon Wilner strikes again
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>>63576130
>undefeated big ten team not in playoffs.
>ND will win at Stanford.
Lol yeah no?

Who would be the fourth team since OSU would drop ou.t
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>>63580087
>ND at 3
>Florida at 4
>OREGON
>AIR FORCE

Who is this legend amongst men?
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>>63580087
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>>63580425
Don't forget Baylor unranked. My personal favorite.
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Does anyone else think that ND and Clemson are complete frauds?

FSU is down this year, no question. Besides them, who has Clemson played? Besides Clemson, who has ND played? Navy?
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>>63580487
Holy fuck Baylor was overrated but this is some grade A stupidity. This man votes for the AP poll mind you.
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>>63580516
>Georgia Tech, Virginia, Temple and Texas.
kek
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>>63580516
ND beat USC, Navy, Pitt, Temple
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>>63580378
I'm hoping ND loses just so the meme will be dead, but, in the event that they're still a one loss team, they absolutely get in over Iowa. OU would be the fourth team with wins over Baylor and Okie Lite. In all likelihood Ohio will win and the point will be moot because it's Buckeyes/ND/Alabama over anyone at all costs.

Clemson
SEC Champ
Oklahoma
ND/Iowa
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>>63580516
All you fat fucks really do not understand how hard it is to go undefeated.

No one plays as hard a schedule as you are implying. ND is good. Fl St is good. NC and duke are ok. That is a really good resume.
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>>63580516
I think they're frauds on principle. Then again, I thought the same about Ohio State last year and they proved me wrong. It's gonna take them actually winning for me to believe them.
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>>63580785
They have won. Alot!

How much more do you want them to win?

What is with this black and white bullshit /sp.
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>>63580856
Oregon won a lot last year. Would you trust an Oregon team in a national championship game again?
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>>63580947
Yes.
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>>63580989
Well I wouldn't.

Notre Dame gave me a similar impression in 2012. Clemson does every year.
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>>63566209
Goddammit.....we miss you Mike.
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>>63581181
>Fuck you, fuck me and fuck everybody
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>>63580726
>>63580730

I can't tell if you guys are being serious or are making a joke. GT has been decent in the recent pass but they are trash this year. I don't think Texas and Texas are having their worst seasons in living memory. Temple was just exposed by USF. USF!!!!! Those are kids who weren't talented enough to play at UCF! Are you serious right now? Maybe UVA is good but I seriously fucking doubt it. Pitt? Who the fuck is Pitt? Do they even have a stadium? Navy? Do they play on a boat or what? Navy is NOT a good football team, OK? They don't even have a college. That's the entire point of college football. Christ.

>>63580738
ND is good relative to their competition. It's not their fault that their two marquees (Texas and USC) are complete trash this year. FSU is not a good team, especially compared to their championship team.

>that is a really good resume

Compared to what?

>>63580785
I think Clemson deserves a playoff berth, no question, provided they win out. ND, however, has literally nothing to claim. If they'd beaten a p5 opponent with 9+ wins I'd let them slide, but honestly I think it's retarded to exclude a p5 to give ND the benefit of the doubt.
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>>63581399
The playoff spots don't go to the four best teams in the nation, they go to the four most deserving teams. (see: 2014 FSU)

If Clemson wins out they're in, but that doesn't mean I think they have even a decent shot at winning.
>>
Am I the only one who see the Clemsoning coming for the ACC championship game?
UNC looks stronger and stronger.
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Just got a publix sub. Shit is cash. How you doin family?
>>
Why didn't tOSU have to play Iowa, Northwestern or Wisconsin this year in the regular season? Why are they not getting shit for their easy schedule?
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>>63581846
>Why are they not getting shit for their easy schedule?
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post yfw Iowa loses to Nebraska and OSU loses to either Michigan or MSU, leaving the B1G out of the playoff.
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>>63581846
I'm already hyped for the OSU @ OU game in week 3 next year haha.
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>>63582106
If MSU wins out, they're in...
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>>63582106
It would take more than that to keep the B1G out now. A one loss B1G champ still gets in now
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>>63581846
>Why didn't OSU have to play Iowa, Northwestern, or Wisconsin this year in the regular season?
Because they weren't their intra-conference crossover opponents this year. That's not even up to Ohio State...
>Why are they not getting shit for their easy schedule?
Not sure if you're being unironically stupid here or not.
>>
Nuts got banned or something btw?
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>>63568684
Auburn was a good team that year though
>>63570574
>not shilling for your team to be in the top 4
pretty weak france
>>63571934
"starting to doubt it" You thought Okie lite would lose to Tech, then TCU. you were doubting the whole time
>>63578057
OSU deserves the spot more, but i think OU is better
>>63582256
the game will be even better if you're undefeated. Beat baylor you fuckers
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>>63582744
OK State anon here wanting them to beat Baylor but he means the Ohio State/Oklahoma game next year
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>>63582744
holy shit im a faggot, why did i reply to all of that
sorry guys im just excited that OU won last night
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>>63582744
I'm not really a "my team is the strongest" fan. Okie State got serious issues (offensive line and running back basically), a healthy TCU Baylor or OU are way stronger.

>>63583170
Haha no problem amigo.
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>>63583105
>>63582256
oh shit, i didnt read it at all, i thought he said in 3 weeks, which isn't accurate either. can you imagine if OU made the playoffs and played against Ohio State? What a set up for the next 2 years
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>>63582381
Northwestern would've bootyblasted osu
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>>63583336
I should have write tOSU desu.
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>>63583490
normally it wouldnt matter but you happen to be a OkSU fan so yeah
Also, hows it going buddy? You dont live in Paris do you? My friend is a missionary and left the city a week before the attacks, hes in Blois or something like that
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>>63584379
I'm ok. I'm living in Valence (600km in the South of Paris) but it was really painful. I couldn't sleep Friday night.
It was very helpful to see all the messages and the support from all around the world and specially from America.
Army going on the field with the French Flag (and letting a french cadet to hold the Army flag) was a very kind gestiure.
Like the moment of silence before the NFL Games today.
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>>63584379
Blois? That's a nice city!
Lot of history there. Kings and Queens used to go there.
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>>63577312
>Wazzu ranked
They lost to fucking Portland State. Portland State! And they're barely ranked in the FCS
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>>63580515
>BCS
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>>63587700
clearly it's about 2008 numbnuts
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>>63581675
North Carolina still hasn't beat anybody
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>>63580055
They will too
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>>63579881
That was them against everyone else
This would be a universal move
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>>63588270
He didn't say anything about their resume retard
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>>63581399
>They don't even have a college. That's the entire point of college football.

What is the United States Naval Academy?

>The United States Naval Academy (also known as USNA, Annapolis, or simply Navy) is a four-year coeducational federal service academy located in Annapolis, Maryland, United States.

>The United States Naval Academy has some of the highest paid graduates in the country according to starting salary.[5] The academic program grants a bachelor of science degree with a curriculum that grades midshipmen's performance upon a broad academic program, military leadership performance, and mandatory participation in competitive athletics.

Program
>Pic Related

Accreditation
>The United States Naval Academy is accredited by the Middle States Commission on Higher Education (MSCHE)
>The following engineering majors are accredited by the Engineering Accreditation Commission (EAC) of ABET, Inc., http://www.abet.org: Aerospace Engineering, Computer Engineering, Electrical Engineering, General Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Naval Architecture, Ocean Engineering, and Systems Engineering.
>The chemistry major is accredited by the American Chemical Society.
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>>63576254
Maybe
But the way they'll do it won't involve any of your ideas
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>>63588320
what? School's will care?

Most money comes in from TV deals, muh butts in seats is just a way to add to it, but not the bottom line.
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>>63588533
They're not going to sacrifice any money
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>>63583490

OSU = Ohio State
OkSt = Oklahoma State

This is how you differentiate between the OSUs.
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>>63588451
Came back from an ethics bowl yesterday. US Naval Academy beat 24 other schools in four rounds of philosophical debates. Across the board, they are all about excellence.
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>>63588498
>>63576254
I think they would need to realign the conferences to add two more conferences. Less teams per conference allows for scheduling the same number of out-of-conference games while reducing the overall number of regular season games, thus allowing for conference championship games and an 8 team playoff.

In this way they could seed the "Power 6" conference champions, the top ranked "Group of 6" conference champion, and then one wild card.

Of course this will never ever happen because >conference realignment
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>>63574476
>play in your conference championship game
>lose
>get into playoffs anyway

Why?
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>>63588750
No one would ever reduce the number of games
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>>63581399
Navy (Annapolis) is one of the best schools in the country.

Holy shit I feel like you've never even been to college. Why do you low educated retards watch a sport made for people who were actually able to go to college?
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>>63588788
Yeah agreed this is another problem. Reducing TV revenue for the other 120 schools to satisfy an 8 team playoff.
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>>63583490
>tOSU
This bothers me. The whole point of emphasizing "The" is that's it's part of the name of the school, I thought. Should be TOSU if anything
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>>63588631
NCAA will make more than enough money back from playoffs to appease whatever tiny colleges bitch.

Colleges are at their whim.
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>>63589133
>NCAA makes money from the playoffs
Holy shit, why do you even bother pretending to know college sports on an anonymous imageboard?
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>you will never see an 8 team playoff
>you will never watch a team who literally just lost their conference championship have a shot at the national title ever again
>you will never watch a team who lost to two other teams have a chance to call themselves the best team in the country
>you will get to watch irrelevant teams with multiple losses complain about how we should lower our standards to let them in every year
>you will never see a team who already lost to multiple teams that make the playoff in the very same playoff
>you will always see greatness rewarded and mediocrity punished in a perfect 4 team playoff
>you will never see the standards of college football, the only sport in the world that punishes you for dropping more than one game, lowered for mediocre teams

thank you based Larry
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>>63589023
We think it's ridiculous that they place so much importance on the most common word in the English language being a part of their school's name, but it's still helpful for differentiating between the other two OSUs.
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>>63589133
How the fuck would they make back revenues for 100-something games from just 4?
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>>63589258
I understand that part. It's when Ohio State fans (which I am one) use it too that gets me.

But now that I try to think of examples I guess that it's been mostly twitter/insta bitches profile descriptions, and I should learn to not expect much there.
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>georgia still not ranked after blowing out auburn on the road

what the fuck? whats it going to take?
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>>63589280
>>63589195
>they think TV doesn't run sports

Bet you think millionaire owned sports teams actually are loyal to fans and won't jump ship the moment they can for a better deal.
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>>63589358
Not being shit is probably a good place to start
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>>63589395
That's still too little money
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>>63589358
You'll prolly be ranked again after beating GTech
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>>63589395
What % of bowl game or home game ticket and TV revenue do you think goes to the NCAA to "redistribute", dumbass?
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So, if Florida loses to FSU, then beats Alabama in the SEC championship game, how does the committee find a way to meme the SEC into the playoffs?
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>>63589358
the next time you can win the sec east
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>>63588789
>5:1 Male to female ratio
>have to live on campus all 4 years
>can only leave campus on weekends
>contractually obligate to join the military when you finish

That doesn't sound like college to me. I guess gettting a contractor job when you're 45 is great and all, but fuck that noise.

Also their football team a shit
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>>63581846
Out of their control. Schedule was planned six years ago, when VT was a legitimate matchup.
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>>63590170
they don't
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>>63590255
>Navy isn't a College
then
>N-Navy isn't a good college :^)

dat goalpost movement
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>>63590361
Navy is actually a great school, but I don't think military academy=college

I'll admit to not knowing that Navy was the USNA until now
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>>63590361
Pretty sure Hawaii was
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>>63577312
>22. USC

absurd, desu
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>>63579970
It would have to be ND. ND had a a good loss to Clemson and a lot of wins against quality p5 competition.

UNC would have the best win on the season, but I just don't know if that's enough because their division is by far the worst in the nation.
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>>63588451
>benchtop micropipetting
>wearing safety goggles
>not wearing labcoat
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>>63591230
statistically the SEC East is the worst in the nation
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>>63591598
Yet the worst team in the SEC East beat the best team in the Coastal.
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>>63591650
Appalachian State beat top 5 Michigan

was their FCS conference better than the Big 10?

also here have some facts
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats
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>>63591650
when Clemson beats SCar and if UNC beats Clemson the very next game that will make the whole fluke SCAR win over UNC the first game moot

committee looks at recent losses way more than early
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>>63587119
They are the most dangerous team in cfb, can throw 600 yards potentially, have a good enough defense to stay in the game, giving their offense time to just tee up like crazy throwing bomb after bomb. Would give them a 33%+ chance to beat any SEC team except Bama for sure.
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>>63591925
>when Clemson beats SCar and if UNC beats Clemson
Better stop counting your chickens before they hatch
Besides, at best they cancel out
Who else have they played?
Fucking nobody
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>>63591861
I don't give a fuck about one man's subjective criteria that you misguidedly try to pass off to me as facts.

The team that is wrecking the ACC and is currently #12 lost to the worst team in the SEC.
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>>63592166
Pitt is going to be 9-3
Duke 8-4
Miami winning record
VT winning record
State winning record
Illinois possible winning record
Clemson #1 (TBD)

there are teams like Baylor you STILL haven beaten a team with a winning rtrecord
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>>63592168
>1st game

VT beat Ohio State in the first game last year and we all saw how that turned out
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>>63592431
Baylor has beaten 3 teams with winning records
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>>63592431
That's 6 teams in the ACC Coastal
Pretty sure Oklahoma's resume would be more impressive
They probably have a better loss as well
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>>63592168
>I don't agree with the facts so I will cry and call them not facts

grow up kid
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>>63592501
Ohio State had a bunch of more impressive wins
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>>63592501
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>>63592525
WVU and TT both got over .500 this week not even going to look up Rice or Lamar

Baylor is totally out of it anyway
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>>63592567
>facts
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>>63592708
>memes

yeah you sure proved those facts wrong with that post
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>>63592769
>facts

you forgot to post some
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>>63566086
wsu is finally not shit. never thought i'd see this day.
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>>63592819
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/10/28/9630824/sec-west-sec-east-division-rankings-advanced-stats
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>>63592675
sure
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>>63593908
Thank you Oregon and Arizona.
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>>63592899
Doesn't take SOS schedule into account, if all you play is Coastal teams your stats will probably be boosted.

Here's something that does: The Coastal is 3-11 against other Power 5 teams, Notre Dame, Boise State, Cincinatti, BYU, Western Kentucky, Houston, and East Carolina (.214). The SEC East is 3-3 against the same group (.500).

The SEC East is also 1-0 against the Coastal, and the Coastal is a winless 0-1 against the SEC East.
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>>63594116
and yet SEC E is still the worst power 5 division

time to stop scheduling Eastern Kentucky I guess
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>>63594116
you might want to start comparing yourself with the PAC 12 North since they are the closest competition for worst not the ACC Coastal
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>>63594296
Don't schedule NC A&T and Delaware
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>>63594296
It really isn't, though. That's still the ACC Coastal, whether you like it or not
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>>63594116
>S&P+ Doesn't take SOS schedule into account
That's false.
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>>63594492
see
>>63592899

this isn't me saying it, it is statics saying it newfriend
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>>63594647
>>63594812
>The components for S&P+ reflect the components of four of what Bill Connelly has deemed the Five Factors of college football: efficiency), explosiveness, field position, and finishing drives.

So basically, if Vanderbilt's schedule was composed of middle school football teams, they would be far and away the best team in college football. Got you.

I think I'll stick with relevant statistics like wins and losses, specifically head to head contests, which I outlined here >>63594116
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>>63594888
ok live in your fantasy world then because the people who decide the playoffs obviously don't just go by wins and losses
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>>63594888
it reflects those components adjusted for the quality of the opponent you dumb bitch
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>>63594888
You fucking cut out the part where it says opponent-adjusted. Are you shitting me, or are you just retarded?

>The components for S&P+ reflect opponent-adjusted components of four of what Bill Connelly has deemed the Five Factors of college football: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, and finishing drives.
>opponent-adjusted components
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa
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>>63594954
Those people currently have the East leader at #11, 12 spots ahead of the Coastal leader.
>>
Is is safe to say that the Pac 12 is objectively the worst conference?
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>>63595153
See I would trust them over the ACC, but it's hard for me to give an objective reason for that.
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>>63595153
no, they might be as high as second-best. They just have a low variance of team quality
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>>63595147
UNC is going to move way up this week not simply because of losses by teams ahead of them but because they scored more on Miami than Clemson

doubt UF moves up much
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>>63595224
A two loss FCS team beat a team that is 5-2 in the Pac-12.
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>>63595153
Most parity of the Power 5. Even Colorado got a win this year. I think there's one or more teams in each other P5 conference that doesn't have a conference win
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>>63595288
cool
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>>63595328
everyone in the SEC has at least 1 conf win
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>>63595254
>coastal > east
>the worst team in the east beat the best team in the coastal
>yeah well if you only look at these stats the coastal is better
>the coastal has a OOC record and has lost to almost everyone, including the SEC east
>yeah well wins and losses don't count to the committee
>the committee has the SEC east champ way above the coastal champ
>yeah well... they're not gonna be as far below this week because they beat Miami
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>>63595153
Not when Clempsun is in the ACC
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>>63595409
this is a well thought out post lmao
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>>63595409
why that just means ACC will have a team at #1 or 2 in the playoffs and the Pac 12 will have nada

>>63595387
see
>>63595055
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>>63595515
see
>>63595147
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>>63595378
Ah, you're right. And Oregon State hasn't beaten anybody

LIST OF "POWER 5" TEAMS WITHOUT A CONFERENCE WIN:
Boston College (0-7, ACC Atlantic)
Kansas State (0-6, Big 12)
Kansas (0-7, Big 12)
Indiana (0-6, B1G East)
Maryland (0-6, B1G East)
Oregon State (0-7, Pac-12 North)


ALSO:
UCF (0-6, AAC East)
SMU (0-6, AAC West)
Charlotte (0,7 C-USA East)
Eastern Michigan (0-7, MAC West)
Hawai'i (0-7, MW West)
UL Monroe (0-6, Sunbelt)
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>>63595620
see
>>63595254

Florida and UNC will be separated by less than 5 places on Tuesday cap it
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>Mackenzie Alexander to get MRI Monday
Well fuck there go our chances
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>>63595773
we'll take it from here
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>>63595890
I mean in the playoff
Not before the playoff
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>>63595913
trust me we got you bro don't worry about the playoffs now
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>>63570125

As one of those Iowa fans yes I was because he had done jack shit.

Now by doing this and possibly more he'll go back to being mediocre and nothing will change.

Iowa will be stuck with him till he dies or is fired due to scandal
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>>63595999
>Losing to the gaycocks
Lel
And we've got the better black qb
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Oklahoma State has to come back against Iowa State and everyone tosses themselves off with glee.

Jesus fucking christ you people are fucking dumb
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>>63596214
>losing to the team that lost to the gaycocks

this is your future din't fight it
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>>63596249
4th quarter comebacks are our specialty.
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>>63596278
I'm pretty sure Alabama didn't even play South Carolina this year
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>>63571698
Please see
>>63572227
and
>>63573425 once again before you start saying stupid shit like you did. You are like a fucking AP voter who looks at a score and nothing else.

Simply comparing Iowa and OkST's efforts against Iowa State shows about the same offensive output, a better defensive performance by Iowa and to top it off not fucking trailing most of the game before pulling it out of your ass at the last fucking second.

However you seem to be blind as fuck and stupid to boot so keep crying and no way in hell are you reading anything good since if it was ESPN they'd be dumping on Iowa as much as you are attempting to.
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>>63596249
M8 2/5 of the undefeated teams had trouble with Iowa State
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>>63596570
Pretty good post

>not putting all your school bookmarks into one folder
Ew.
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>>63596570
BASED GOLDEN DOMERS da bes
>>
Who /fourthstraight10winseason/ here?
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>>63596570
>>63596691
>audacity audeo
>audeo
what the fuck, how did i misspell that
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>>63597050
Who /fivestraight10winseason/ here?
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>>63597050
Ohio State bro reporting in
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>>63597278
Bro, Fickel didn't win 10 games
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>>63595153
Recruiting is the objective reason.

USC will always bring in top talent compared to a school like Pitt. It's not even close.
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>>63595999
>>63595890
>ranked teams played: 0
>SoS rank: 100th

If, UNC beats Clemson, the ACC's chances of a playoff team are ruined.
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>>63597350
2012
2013
2014
2015 now

This is season 4 of the Urban Meyer era
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>>63569441
Yeah, he ran Bama into the ground. They don't like to talk about those years though.
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>>63597425
Its a fucking joke that the ACC is allowed a playoff team when their best teams play Boise State tier schedules
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>>63597425
where are you getting 100?

http://www.predictionmachine.com/Strength-of-Schedule-Rankings-CFB-Teams
says they are 68 before booty blasting 6-3 Miami

>>63597508
Big 12/Pac12 fan detected

Clemson beat #4 Notre Dame that is not exactly Boise State
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>>63597508
FSU deserved it, they at least play UF every year. Even though UF has been bad lately, it's still a real team.

Clemson plays SCAR every year. They'd been in their best stretch ever lately, but they're a lot less fearsome than UF is.
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>>63597619
>Clemson beat #4 Notre Dame that is not exactly Boise State
Thats pretty Boise like. Play exactly one quality opponent all season and steal a high ranking
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>>63572488
ND beating Stanford means shit now that those faggots lost at home to Lolegon.
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>>63597673
>FSU deserved it
They obviously didn't, had they been in any of the 4 major conference they would have lost 2 or 3 games
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>>63597619
ND is only ranked number 4 because clemson played no one else

Clemson is high because ND was high in the preseason and they one, and ND is stil high because Clemson hasn't lost yet. If SCAR blows out Clemson everyone will realize that Clemson was shit all along and therefore ND is creampuff too.

And SCAR is really, really shitty.
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>>63597697
It's still better than what Baylor does. They play high school teams then act like they're god's gift to football.
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>>63597792
What happened to that one guy's website who used a random pre-season Top 25 and was updating it with each week?
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>>63597792
>Clemson is high because ND was high in the preseason

this is exactly why the SEC is so overrated because of the worthless preseason polls
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>>63597740
I'm fine with shit conferences existing as long as they schedule top tier talent in other conferences.

An 8 team playoff of conference champs with no OOC would be just great
>>
Hey guys remember just last year where the ACC went 4-0 against the SEC the last week of the season
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>>63597882
>An 8 team playoff of conference champs with no OOC would be just great
an 8 team playoff with the best 2 teams from the 4 major conferences would be much better, then you can finally put the MWC/ACC/MAC tier conferences in 1aa where they belong
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>>63597861
UGA and Auburn both preseason top tens
unranked now because they play real opponents and shown to be frauds

ND ranked in preseason, lose to one semi decent/good team-- still playoff worthy becuase they play no one (not entirely their fault that U$C an Texas are in the gutter this year)

I guess we agree preseason polls are stupid, but they do make the banter and speculation fun

I think conference champs should duke it out and ND can watch and fap
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>>63595637
lol biebers
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>>63597936
then GT bootyblasted Mississippi State in a NY6 bowl
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>>63597944
Bring FSU and Clempson in the SEC
send Vandy and Mizzou packing
and we're good
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>>63597944
are you going o cry when Clemson makes the playoffs and whatever shitty conference your team is in doesn't have a team in?

you are extremely upset
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>>63597944
>Purdue should be put in a higher NCAA division than Florida State (or even Northern Illinois) because they are a founding member of the Big Ten
You're pushing the limits of /cfb/ shitposting
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>>63598025
>doesn't know SHIT about how conference realignment works

You don't go into the same states that you already have teams in because you get do new media markets and the teams (Fla and SC) already in those markets will veto the fuck out of it
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>>63597959
Your hatred of Notre Dame blinds you. Check out the strength of schedule of Notre Dame versus the other contenders. Please tell me who you would put over them at number 4 at this point in the season.
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>>63598030
I am a fan of a Big Ten team with no shot at the playoffs, I just want to watch good teams play each other, and when Clemson or Boise State or Navy steal a major bowl from a good team I am deprived of that
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>>63598150
Clemson is #1 in the AP, coaches AND college football playoff rankings

you seem to be extremely retarded if you think you know better than all those people
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>>63597673
>They'd been in their best stretch ever lately

who?
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>>63597673
you mean the UF who beat Vanderbilt 9-7 and only beat Scar by 10?

not intimidating at all tbqh
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>>63598253
The fact is we have no idea whether they are good because their conference is basically D2
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>>63598296
SCAR has been on the up and up until this year


>>63598095
>SOS
Oh look, another arbitrary measure based on preseason rankings and circular logic.

Any one or two loss team from the SEC, Ou or OKie Lite, 3 AAC teams, Utah, or Stanford are all better teams with better resumes than Notre Dame

Thankfully stanford will kill this meme!
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>>63598405
yes FSU and Notre Dame are D2

by your simple minded reasoning so is the Big 10 West

reminder the ACC has a more recent national championship than the SEC and had a winning record against them last year including 5-0 in the last 5 games (the ones that matter the most)
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>>63597740
The Big 12 is much, much worse than the ACC, especially last year.

FSU would have beaten TCU or Baylor by 20. Neither would have had a winning record in any of the other four conferences. FSU was worse than Oregon, yes, but lightyears better than any Big 12 team
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>>63598529
Did you see FSU when they tried to play a rare major conference opponent last season?
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>>63598487
Stanford is terrible

>losing to Northwestern
>losing to Oregon

I mean I hope they beat ND to open up more playoff spots but they will be an underdog at home against ND
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>>63598360
SCAR literally had 40 yards of offense into the 4th quarter and score two touchdowns in garbage time

Do you have any idea how many times UF-FSU has had national championship implications in the last 25 years? how many times both teams were in teh top ten or top five? UF is as real as an OOC opponent as you can ask for faggot.

Unless your shit squad schedules Bama for OOC games, shut the fuck up.
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>>63598605
Did you see Baylor when they played a Big Ten runner up?
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>>63598605
they beat Florida last season and the season before that
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>>63598592
Maybe the top of the ACC is a little better, but the ACC has fucking 10 mid majors in it.

IF you took Clemson and FSU and put them in the Big 12, then you would actually have a legit 4th major conference. There are so many ACC teams that do not belong in a major conference, let alone on TV at all
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>>63598680
The top of the ACC is better. The middle of the ACC is better. Even Wake Forest is better than half the Big 12.
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>>63598665
none of that post make UF intimidating dumbfuck

your shitty backup QB is going to get beat by FSU and wrecked by Bama
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>>63598678
To be fair Florida was losing to FCS schools in those years.

Even tho UF lost Jameis got exposed
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>>63598713
>The middle of the ACC is better
I really don't think you actually believe this
>>
>>63598253
>Clempsun
>Anything other than complete shit
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>>63598680
the Big 10 has the same problem of at least 8/14 the teams being no better than mid-majors yet the Big 10 has the worst sports channel on earth to showcase their shitty games
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>>63566518
>Tennessee below those literal who's and Georgia after beating them

I can understand Arkansas but none of the others
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>>63598150
Nebraska will never be relevant again, just accept it
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>>63598871
>you
>knowing better than the AP, coaches and CFB playoff committee

see how retarded you sound?
>>
>>63598719
>>63598719
>acc plays boise tier schedules

>Literally schedules a top tier SEC team every year

Fsu can't control if Florida is having a bad year, but they're in the top 5% of opponents a team could schedule
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>>63598817
Absolutely, particularly last year.
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>>63598487

>OU lost to Texas, Notre Dame destroyed Texas
>Utah lost to USC, Notre Dame beat them

Stanford is good, and will help pad their schedule. LOL at thinking teams like Florida or NC/FSU are better than ND at this point.

You have yet to explain why those teams are better than ND. The only one who could be above them at this point is OK State, but all the other teams are behind ND for reason.
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>>63598911
He's an bait autist who doesn't pay attention to the sport. Don't feed him.
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>>63598879
Minnesota would be like the 3rd best ACC program. Its not even comparable.

Plus Big Ten schools are in more affluent states so their network is wildly profitable. I don't understand your problem with the Big Ten network, its pretty great to have every football and basketball game your school plays readily available on TV
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>>63598893
maybe when Tennessee beats a winning team, they'll get ranked higher, but they're literally Nebraska tier in clinging to the 90's
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>>63598914
are you high? none of your posts are anything about UF being intimidating this year especially more so than Clemson

focus
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>>63598879
>not liking Big Ten Network
Also it never gets the marquee games. The best game it's ever had might have been the first game it broadcasted (pic related)
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>>63598931
The only good teams ND plays are having down years

The rest of their schedule is high school tier
The one 'good' team they played beat them

ND won't make the playoff
cap it
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>>63598879
It's six of fourteen. Maryland, Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, ordinarily Northwestern. This year Minnesota and Nebraska are shit but not always
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>the first real SEC natty will be won by fucking Clemson
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>>63598967
minnesota wouldn't even beat fucking NC State
>>
Clemson and FSU would both be undefeated in the pac 12
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>>63598680
ACC probably focuses more on basketball than football now, given how Miami, VT, and BC joining the conference worked out after the mid-00s.

I don't see why people keep running their mouth about how the ACC is a shit football conference when they(the management) don't even really give a fuck.
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>>63599005
>ordinarily Northwestern
Not really, they are hit and miss, they would be elite if they got an ACC schedule every season
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>>63598967
>Minnesota would be like the 3rd best ACC program. Its not even comparable. Minnesota MIGHT be as good as Duke but in know way are they better than UNC or Pitt. A vegas oddsmaker said UNC would be a favorite on a neutral field against Iowa so of course they would booty blast Minnesota

"no"

and my team is ALWAYS on national or local tv so I don't have to watch Purdue play Illinois two teams that wouldn't win the MAC
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>>63599085
>ACC probably focuses more on basketball than football now
and the Big Ten has still been way the fuck better than it over the last 5 years
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>>63599030
They're not ready.

If Clemson wins the national championship this year, I will record myself drinking 2-pints of moonshine. Cap this post and remember this post.
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>>63599030
>SEC natty will be won by fucking Clemson
Wut
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>>63599108
has UNC played a single major conference opponent this year?

But yeah, Iowa has gotten incredibly lucky this year, they aren't nearly as good as their record, but thats just random variance, and winning games they shouldn't have like against WIsconsin
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>>63599138
I'm pretty sure the ACC has more success in basketball than football, regardless of how much better other conferences are.
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>>63599138
>way the fuck

see when you say retarded exaggerations you lose all credibility

say real shit like the when is last time the Big 10 won a NCAA tournament?

what you are saying is like me saying Duke destroyed Wisconsin when it was a close game actually
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>>63599138
>checks the natties
>duke over wisconsin
>louisville over michigan
>5 out of the last 10

are you sure about that?
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>>63599183
They beat the fuck out of Illinois and had to schedule FCS teams because FBS teams chickened out

Michigan and Tennessee are two recent teams that pussed out from playing UNC
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>>63599264
Nobody wants to play UNC because their players don't even go to school.
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>>63599219
>say real shit like the when is last time the Big 10 won a NCAA tournament?
Conferences do not get awarded championships, there is no prize for being the best conference. The best team also being in the best conference is actually very rare. Typically it is beneficial to play in a weak conference if you are an elite team as it will allow you to get a higher seed and easier route to the final 4 (see Kentucky most years)
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>>63599264
Illinois is like the 12 best Big Ten team
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>>63599096
You must not know your college football history that well.

Northwestern is historically one of the worst programs. Only Indiana has more losses than Northwestern throughout history.

In the 90s, Northwestern players got in trouble with the NCAA because they were betting against themselves. That's how bad they have been.
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>>63599337
but the Big 10 hasn't had the best basketball team in 15 year so you are not "way the fuck" better than anything

>>63599365
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/m-footbl-standings.html

says the are better than Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota and Purdue learn to count
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>>63599422
I mean in our lifetimes, not historically.
They ahve had more decent seasons since the 90s than all but 3 or 4 ACC teams
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The real top-8:

Alabama
Clemson
Notre Dame
Iowa
Oklahoma State
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Ohio State
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>>63599426

>http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/m-footbl-standings.html


damn that conference is FULL of scrubs
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>>63599426
>Pedo State is already competitive as fuck in the Big 10 after their near death penalty

jesus
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>>63599426
>but the Big 10 hasn't had the best basketball team in 15 year
This is entirely irrelevant. The Big Ten has been by far the best conference over the last 6 years, the Big 12 finally passed them a single season basis last season (I think, I don't remember the final numbers). The Big Ten was the single best conference in each of the 5 seasons before that.

but yeah, I am not talking about 10-15 years ago, so thats not really relevant to the discussion at all
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>>63599461
Well, Pat Fitzgerald is basically their Bill Snyder
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>>63599528
why couldn't Wisconsin beat Duke?

why can't your conference win the national championship if its the best? don't give me this "hard to through" crap because Wisky was a 1 seed

The SEC is "hard to get through" in football but they won 7 straight national titles
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>>63599519
>near death penalty
Penn State's punishment wasn't much worse than OSU's.
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>>63599601
>be know has the child rape enabling school during recruiting
>still be one of the best Big 10 teams

lel
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>>63599426
>which conference the best team in the country belongs too determines which conference is the best
I believe this is how 10 years olds think
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>>63599575
The tournament is a 64 team battle royale. Even Dean Smith himself, at the blueblood University of North Carolina, won just two tournaments in his career
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>>63599575
>why couldn't Wisconsin beat Duke?
Wisconsin was better than Duke, Kentucky was better than both of them, the best team doesn't win every game, thats why it is fun to watch

I guess you just have a silly definition of best conference. The best conference is not the one where the best team is the best in the country, its the one that is best from top to bottom.

I can't even think of the last time the best basketball conference had the champion in it, its probably been at least 10 years, its a very uncommon event
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>>63599461
>9 winning seasons
>3 seasons where they've won 9 or more games
>16 seasons of .500 or below

truly one of the greatest teams of the modern era
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>>63599624
They recruit better than most schools in most conferences, despite being known as the child raping school.

Their recruiting competes even with much of the SEC.

Now, WHY people still willingly go there, that I have no answer to.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/teamrank/2015/all/all
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>>63599575
>The SEC is "hard to get through" in football but they won 7 straight national titles
Good point, the SEC wouldn't have even been given a chance to play in those titles games if it was a deep conference, having a champion who blew out the competition was key to getting so many opportunities. The college football system has been set up to reward teams who do not face many challenges in the regular season. If you have a deep tough conference you will not end the season ranked in the top 2 of the polls most seasons
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>>63599631
The SEC is able to back up their football dominance with national titles

why can't the little ole Big 10? playing the best teams in conference play should get you ready to booty blast other conferences in the tournament but that never seems to work out, like ever this century

also its funny that a former ACC team is the only team from your conference in the top 10 right now
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>>63599689
>truly one of the greatest teams of the modern era
Dude, I was comparing them to ACC teams, not to good teams
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>>63599768
>why can't the little ole Big 10
How do you not understand that being the best conference is almost entirely unrelated to having the team that wins the tourney?

What conference has been better than the Big Ten since the 2010 season? None have even been close
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>>63599768
Because of the tournament being what it is. Like I said earlier, winning tournies isn't the sign of dominance in Basketball, due to how big the tourney is.

Dean Smith won just two tournaments his entire career
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>>63599801
the thing is, is that that's even worse than Virginia.
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>>63599842
Maryland

>>63599859
>>63599886

not listening to you until a Big 10 team wins a NCAABB tournament

"being a large tournament" is such a shit excuse I am laughing at you all right now
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>>63599842
He's talking about Basketball, Maryland is the only B10 basketball team in the top 10
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>>63599859
>>63599886

Big 10 is looking pedestrian this year

Maryland is the only top 10 team

>Michigan State
>Indiana
>Michigan
>Purdue

soft as shit at the top
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>>63599983
Is Michigan State winning in 2000 not good enough?
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>>63599983
You are entirely missing the point, its not about the size of the tourny, its about the negative correlation between having the best team and being the best conference (regardless of whether you define best team as the tourney winner or the statistical best team over the course of the season, though you seem to not believe these two teams could be different)
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>>63600025
the Big East has won a football national title since 2000

also 2000 is technically part of the 20th century so you still haven't won a natty this century in bball
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>>63600021
Way too early to really know, but yeah, I doubt they will be as good as they have been recently
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>>63599987
>Maryland is the only B10 basketball team in the top 10
>preseason AP rankings
not even worth discussing
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NEW THREAD

>>63600103

>>63600103
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>>63600066
How can the Big 10 be the worst conference when the Pac-12 exists?
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>>63600066
Southerners are fucking strange. You act like I want my rivals to win championships.

If my team isn't going to win, Ia m just fine with some random school I don't give a shit about from another part of the country winning
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>>63600126
I am not calling the Big 10 the worst conference in either sport

they have been really good in basketball just can't finish
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>>63600181
I really don't understand this mentality that conferences are awarded championships. It is so illogical.

Do you really think if Wisconsin hadn't slightly chocked in the title game last year, that that would make the Big Ten a significantly better conference?
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>>63600242
It is the most important game of the year so it certainly wouldn't have hurt if they didn't choke it in
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>>63600290
>so it certainly wouldn't have hurt
Way to avoid the question

Thats just way too simplistic of a way to look at it. When rating conference strength you have to account for very game that every team plays, and how well they play in these games. Wisconsin scoring a few more points in one game would not have had a significant effect on how good the conference has been over 6 years of data
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>>63598680
>IF you took Clemson and FSU and put them in the Big 12
You just made my pants fit funny.
>diamonds
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>>63569966
>Iowa city
>Mall

Please tell me you're talking about the one in Coralville. If you're from there you'd know the three in Iowa city have like a combined 25 stores and a DMV office.
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