Can it even be done without another super-rich guy buying some shit team and spending billions on them?
>Inb4 Blackburn revival
>can a non-billionaire owner team win a league with a top 4 consisting of billionaire owner teams?
>>63487421
A lot of teams in the league have billionaire owners, though. I think Liverpool, Tottenham, Leicester, Southampton, and Newcastle at least are all owned by billionaires. They just don't spend their money the way that Abramovich and Mansour did.
Liverpool la. Don't underestimate Klopp. He will win it within the next two seasons.
>big four
>no Liverpool
Shit b8
>>63487449
It's not 2007 anymore, Bostonbro.
Leicster
>>63487430
my point is that it's pretty unlikely a poor (respectively) team can compete with the teams that have near unlimited resources
Southampton were one of the few teams I was rooting for to make top 4 and maybe PL in 5-10 years, but every time they get close, they lose half their starters
the rest of the teams you just listed spend a lot of money, but they made their money rather than being gifted it
United and Arsenal don't fit your "super-rich guy buying some shit team and spending billions on them" criteria, so I'd pick one of them to win it within 3 years
>Arsenal still big4 in 2015
>Chelshit situation
>simply thinking about manu
What big four dude?
>big four
>Arsenal
Lmao
In Fairness arse aren't really considered likely to be winning it anytime soon
There's really only 3 teams
>>63487492
United have the best defence in Europe all this fecklessness and sleeping mid day has turned your brain as lazy as you javier
>>63487497
>>63487501
This desu. Arsenal haven't been title contenders since Mourinho showed up.
>>63487456
Liverpool are the most successful club in England. They will ALWAYS be part of the top 4 teams.
if spurs keep improving they could seriously rustle the top 4 in the next few seasons, even more so when their new stadium starts paying off
>>63487535
yeah, but on the other hand it's spurs
>>63487531
on what basis are Liverpool the most successful club in England, cherrypicking European cups as the criteria is stupid
>>63487535
Yes, spurs scare me a bit with how young that team is. They thoroughly dominated Arsenal at the emirates.
You now remember when Newcastle finished consistently in the top 4. Leeds too.
>>63487544
They've won more trophies than anyone else. Seems pretty straightforward.
>>63487531
Nobody gives a shit about that anymore, though. Aston Villa, Everton, and Tottenham all have more trophies than Manchester City, but nobody would seriously argue that any of those three belong in the conversation for "Big Four/Five".
>>63487535
spuds have been saying this since 05 at the very least
next year is our year la
>>63487531
And Real Madrid HAS 10 CL trophies.
>>63487544
>'Cherrypicking'
Its the CL m8. The most important trophy in european football. Liverpool have won it 5 (five) times. The nearest is United with only 3, ergo Liverpool are the biggest club in England.
>>63487559
United have won 62
Liverpool have won 60
fuck off back to burgerball
>>63487571
20 (twenty) titles
>>63487556
most people posting on here were toddlers when the 90's ended
>>63487585
Liverpool (41 total): 18 league titles, 7 FA Cups, 8 league cups, 5 European cups, 3 UEFA cups
Manchester United (39 total): 20 league titles, 11 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 3 European Cups, 1 UEFA cup
Where are you getting 62 and 60 from?
>>63487629
you are leaving the community shield, club world cup, intercontinental cup and cup winners cup out
>>63487531
my mate says the same about notts forest t b h lad
>>63487644
>community shield
>a real trophy
try telling a certain scottish manager that
>>63487667
It's an official honour, if you are counting honours you have to count it, not just leave it out because it's mickey mouse
>>63487644
>Community shield
A friendly between last season's champion and last season's FA cup winner.
>Club World Cup
meme tournament nobody cares about
>Intercontinental Cup
meme tournament nobody cares about
>UEFA Cup Winner's Cup
True, forgot about that one. United won it once. So I guess it's 41-40 instead of 41-39.
>>63487674
>It's an official honour, if you are counting honours you have to count it, not just leave it out because it's mickey mouse
Fair enough, I should have said "relevant trophies".
>>63487675
>claim Liverpool have won more
>get proven wrong
>change criteria
are you a fucking child
>>63487685
ok so lets take league cup out then
>these delusional scousers
Top 4 refers to the top 4 clubs who are comfortably the most able financially to win the league, and can attract the best players in the world in 2015
if you want to talk about history, the top 4 would be Liverpool, Forest, Wolves and Preston, but that's not what we're talking about
>>63487512
>United have the best defence in Europe
>this is what mancuntians unironically believe
You didn't have the best defense in Europe with Rio and Vidic, let alone now m8, your delusion is turning you numb.
>>63487708
>wolves
>not huddersfield
>>63487699
I thought the League Cup was a relevant trophy. I used to think it was just a meme cup, but a lot of Brits I've talked to insisted that it was a legitimate tournament, which would explain why the better teams usually win it. Kind of like a slightly less prestigious FA Cup.
When England institutes a better homegrown rule.
>>63487531
except when they finish below 4th place
SPOILER WARNING
which they did
>>63487629
What the fuck is the UEFA cup
>>63487737
>being this literal new
Bet you think City have always been a top prem team too right?
>>63487737
It's what they called the Europa League before 2009.
it's not a big 4 anymore, it's a big 2
Chelsea and City have infinite monies, the others do not. but Chelsea are 16th and already out of the title race. all it takes is a classic City wobble, and Leicester could genuinely win the EPL. United are shit, and Arsenal are made of glass, in terms of player injuries, and also mentally. they always have a 3-0 away loss at Stoke inside them, waiting to get out
>>63487756
>they always have a 3-0 away loss at Stoke inside them
Tbh even Barcelona admit they couldn't win at stoke
give me 5 more years
>>63487756
United has basically infinite money. Just look at their transfer spending the last couple of years.
>>63487775
forgot pic
>>63487434
>Liverpool la. Don't underestimate Klopp. He will win it within the next two seasons.
Unless there's a billion dollars buried under Anfield, I'm not sure how that's supposed to happen.
>>63487843
it's kind of sad, but Liverpool in 2015 have basically become Everton in the 1990s...a faded big club clinging on to success from a previous decade
>>63487395
I think you'll find Arsenal's rich owners don't invest any of their own money into the actual team. Everything the club spends has come from the footballing side of things - ticket sales, sponsors, etc.
>>63487853
so like arsenal then?
>>63487917
Arsenal still wins trophies and qualifies for the Champions League.
>>63487395
Big 3 you mean
It's been 10 years since Arsenal won
>>63487395
big four used to be
>United
>Chelsea
>Arsenal
>Liverpoop
now city is in there and liverpoop is out, and who knows what's going on with Chelsea, so possibly yeah, just not in the next 10 years I reckon
Reminder that City were not a big four club 5 years ago and these things can change
>>63487690
>Bong gets proven wrong
>tries to make literally meme trophies as criteria
>>63487395
Liverpoop and Tottenham if they get past their small club mentality; realistically, never
>>63488109
Arselel will fallout out of the Top 4 before Chelshit, regardless of what happens this year.
Chelshit have at least won the fa cup, UCL, PL and league cup within the last 5 years.
What has Arselel done? Consistent 4th place? What a pathetic club
>>63487690
Lol fuck off the fucking intercontinental cup and community shield don't count as trophies you fucking cocksmith
>>63487488
>United and Arsenal don't fit your "super-rich guy buying some shit team and spending billions on them" criteria, so I'd pick one of them to win it within 3 years
Yes of course they do, you dumbass. Their owners just happen to be western oligarchs instead.
In fact that's literally what Manure has been doing since the Glazer acquisition/takeover.
>>63488367
>THEY DON'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAY THE DON'T COUNT >:(
What a child
btw, Intercontinental Cup > FIFA Club World Cup
>>63488520
>In fact that's literally what Manure has been doing since the Glazer acquisition/takeover.
Exactly this
It's funny to think about that whenever people post that image of Man Utd claiming that they got successful without spending nearly as much money as Man City. Hell, they don't even adjust the prices for inflation in that pic.
>>63488315
>americans
Mou will leave and that club will fall into ruin and the rent Boyz will he back to permanent mid table
>>63488315
Since you mentioned FA cups arsenal won back to back you insufferable cunt
>>63487717
Johnstone's Paint Trophy> Champions League> Premier League> FA Cup> UEFA super Cup> Community Shield> League cup
>>63488622
Oh I'm sorry, you're new to football, let me be the first one to tell you the FA Cup is worth shit compared to the PL and the UCL, both of which Chelshit has won recently unlike ArseWanker's club of overhyped flops
And I forgot to mention the Europa League which Chelshit also won in the past 5 years.
Arselel's only saving grace by staying ahead of >Spurs, an even more pathetic club but with a more realistic grip on reality.
>>63488690
wew lad why don't you calm down and take a break from the computer before you get overly upset
>>63488315
>Arselel will fallout out of the Top 4
>>63488520
>>United and Arsenal don't fit your "super-rich guy buying some shit team and spending billions on them"
>Yes of course they do, you dumbass.
Arsenal don't. Neither Stan Kroenke nor Alisher Usmanov have poured any of their personal fortune into the club. Everything Arsenal spends has been made from ticket sales, sponsors and player sales, etc.
>>63488712
>those thighs
How does Leicester become Lester?
>>63488712
I'd like to feel her cumming in the air tonight
>>63488690
Haha, wow, it's pathetic how mad you're getting, just relax dude.
>>63488803
2000 years of history does that.
>>63487395
Leicester and Palace are the only teams capable.
>>63487556
>tfw no Sir Bobby to make shitters like Jenas and Andy O'Brien champions league quality players
>>63488315
this is probably a troll but this is the worst shitposting i've seen today. how can you even compare arsenal's situation in the past 10 years with chelsea's? Chelsea have had infinite money to spend while arsenal have been operating on net loss due to stadium costs.
>>63488699
>>63488826
I'll calm down when Arselel wins the PL/UCL
>>63488948
How many of those millions turned into legit starters? How many of them were flops? You could have infinite millions but if your transfer policy sucks that only means wasted millions, same thing works the other way, if you have little money but you buy good transfers you can progress, quality over quantity. Arsenal has one of the worst transfer policy I've seen, Arlene seriously needs to fuck off but I guess years of back to back 4th place has turned you arsenal fans into conformists
>>63488690
why do Livershit fans think it's ok to talk trash about teams miles better than them?
They should focus on the teams that are around their level, like Leicester and Wet Spam
>mfw some manc counted the charity shield as a legitimate trophy near me
arent you going to count the international champions cup too lads? top top kek
>>63489061
>Arsenal has one of the worst transfer policy I've seen
What about Andreï and Fernando m8 ?
>>63487548
tbf arsenal are literally fucked atm due to injury's
>>63487512
This fucking delusion man holy shit
>>63489073
>why do Livershit fans think it's ok to talk trash about teams miles better than them?
How is it not obvious that he's a Chelsea fan? No other fanbase, not even Tottenham, has that kind of personal hatred for Arsene Wenger. Only Chelsea fans have that because they take Mourinho's word as gospel.
>>63489073
>implying that a Liverpool fan would ever say anything positive about Chelsea
Anyone who could pose a threat to the status quo would get picked apart by the vultures in the transfer windows.
FFP also stops anyone else pulling a Chelsea or a City and buying the league title.
This is Liverpool's year la' and next year too. And the year after.
>>63487531
Dead supporters don't count as trophies la
>>63487531
>tfw you know that liverpool fans aren't joking when they say this
>>63489310
>No other fanbase, not even Tottenham, has that kind of personal hatred for Arsene Wenger.
Arsenal fans do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZZPt4R1YSs
>this kills the ABL
tbqh
>>63489494
All of those trophies were won more than a decade ago tbhfam. And 4 of them were won more than 30 years ago.
>>63489536
*Just doesn't mean that much anymore, it's like Everton fans talking about how good their team was in the 1980s
>>63487512
>Javier
>Not Manolo
0/10 tbqh senpai
>>63489536
How many European Cups were won by YOUR club over the past 30 years?
>>63489576
Well, I'm a Liverpool fan, so.....5?
>>63489615
*1
Sorry, sleep deprived and went to public school in Miami.
>And they think soccer has parity with relegation
>>63489631
who said that?
>>63487395
Real question. Is sabermetrics used in soccer? Has anyone tried?
For any euros who don't know, it's advanced stat analysis used to assemble a team of undervalued players in baseball, giving small market teams a chance. I would be surprised if some bottom table team hadn't tried something like moneyball.
>>63490067
Sabermetrics doesn't work in soccer. Liverpool's owners, Fenway Sports Group (try guessing which other sports team they own), tried it over the last few years. They spent 300 million over the last 3 years, and all but a few players have been flops.
>>63490067
>ameristats
>>63490067
Doesn't work, the closest you get to that are teams like Dortmund that rise through a combination of strong youth development and clever scouting (and even they're pretty "big market" by German standards).
>>63490081
>>63490067
Never heard of the word sabermetrics. Moneyball has been used about a couple of teams, notable Brentford
>>63490067
liverpool tried, it basically failed. unfortunately stats don't work in football like they do in handegg baseball etc. this is believed to be because handegg and baseball are stop-start games, not requiring great communication and teamwork between players and no invention on the field, whereas football requires players to work together and a team of good players with great understanding between each other that have played together for 2-3 years would quite easily blow out a team of superstars that have never played together
but leicester are guaranteed to win this year and vardy will get ballon'dor
>>63487479
god i dream of this
>>63489333
Trips of truth unfortunately.
Players arent willing to stick with a team on the rise when big wages are on offer. Sooner they bring in a wage cap the better. Of course if it only comes in in england then all the players could be poached by other countries without a cap
>>63490139
>>63490150
>>63490174
>>63490081
Makes sense, but I even see analytics creeping into hockey (a fairly free flowing game by american standards) which made me curious. Obviously chemistry and managerial decisions are still the deciding factor.
Spurs will win one eventually, and maybe
Everton or West Ham or could step with the loadsamoney coming into the PL.
The well run clubs - Swansea, Southampton and Leicester - could maybe get to Everton/West Hams level and push on from there.
Newcastle might have a resurgence in fortunes. Maybe even Villa, Leeds or Derby.
Pardiola might lead Palace to one if he stays Fergie length of time.
Aside from that though I don't think anyone has a chance.
Don't watch soccer, but are analytics popular in it yet?
>>63492923
>Newcastle might have a resurgence in fortunes
Stopped reading here
>>63488678
when you realise that most americans know what it is
If you stop and think about how much extra money the Champions League provides it's really not surprising.
>>63493033
Dont know what it is
When this happens.
>>63487488
>poor (respectively)
You meant to say comparatively or relatively.
Two of those teams didn't even exist like 20 years ago.
20 years from now there will probably be new teams in the top four that seem like they have been there forever.
>>63493054
how many of those teams would hold up vs Ligue 1 champions barcelona and Liga BBVA champions Bilbao Athletic
People used to ask if anyone could crack the top 4 of United-Arsenal-Liverpool-Chelsea in the mid 2000s it'll happen
>>63492923
imagine a coked up pardew lifting the pl trophy, then running to some official and beating the shit after him while throwing the trophy to bolasie who engages warp speed and runs away to um bongo land with the rest of pardew's pace pals, never to be seen again
>>63487535
>said for the past 20 years....
>>63487535
I don't really like spurs but this is the best chance they've had to go big for a while, levy better not fuck it up now and jew out deli alli for 20m to man united or something silly like that, but then again it is spurs they will find a way to fuck it up
>>63487531
>This is what Bindippers actually believe
>>63487395
Before Arsenal T B H
>>63493054
Weird seeing an American post about Ashington and Blyth
I watched the Spartans last week
When good players stick to a team and stop jumping ship for the money.
I think Roberto Martinez is capable of doing it eventually.
>>63487395
subtle ABL action, I like it
>>63493188
>I don't really like spurs but this is the best chance they've had to go big for a while, levy better not fuck it up now and jew out deli alli for 20m to man united or something silly like that, but then again it is spurs they will find a way to fuck it up
20 million? Don't be ridiculous, it'll be 30 million at least. Levy has a team full of talented young English players, Tottenham is a goddamn gold mine right now. He could easily get 100 million out of selling Kane+Alli+Dier in a couple years with a little luck and patience.
