Conference Semifinals on Sunday
Games on ESPN and Fox Sports 1
first for MLS Cup is a meme cup and RBNY are already the champions
>>63162463
Pretty much yeah, still an exciting meme cup though.
Tonight's match is going to be decided in penalties, screen cap this I'm from the future.
>>63162463
Fuck off
>>63162463
Fourth for go fuck yourself
https://instagram.com/p/9beH-nnqDJ/
muh dick
>>63163567
pls anon
>>63163567
>right click
>Inspect Element
>Resources
>Frames
>instagram.com/
>Images
>pic related
>portlel
lmao
PK coming up?
>>63164241
Jesus christ at that spaghetti
>>63164241
Ugly sequence, ugly goal, but I'll take it. Cascadia broship get hype!
>>63164241
>the match consistently shows portlel fans crying
kek nice
why do the bad guys always win?
>>63164925
>northern most city isnt on top
REEEEEEEE
>>63165043
Tried matching it with primary colors, making that geographic switch would be a stretch as for colors matching up
>>63165025
but portland is losing
>>63165105
what? the whitecaps blue logo goes with the blue on the top
>>63165215
Yeah but then Seattle's stuck with a color they only sometimes use for their clash
>>63164948
>>63165043
Just for you my autistic friend
>>63165402
you have found the cure lad
LOL PORTLEL LOL
>that skc penalty kick
wtf
Good game tbh
>Insanity of first 20 minutes of Seattle-LA
>Montreal laying the heat
>Dat penalty shootout
Best playoffs ever so far?
FUCK SUNDAY IS PACKED AS FUCK
gotta prepare
>RBNY
>Columbus
>Seattle
>Vancouver
Would be GOAT semis tbh fam
I'm off to bed lads
Might do webms of penalties tomorrow
>>63165972
>Seattle Vancouver
>Back to back Cascadia fixtures
My body isn't even close to ready for that epicness
>>63165972
>rbny
>columbus
>dallas
>vancouver
fixed
That penalty shootout was the craziest thing I've ever seen
Lol @ the NASLshills claiming playoffs suck
>>63166017
hell, you could have back to back Cascadia fixtures followed by a All-Canada cup.
Not saying it's going to happen, but it's possible.
Bring it on Vancouver
>toronto
wew. better luck next time or something
Yeeeeessss they spread out all the games on Sunday. 8 straight hours of soccer.
My body is not ready
>>63166155
There was no luck involved when they blew the chance of getting a bye by losing the last two games only to face the same team they just lost few days before in a knockout match.
>>63162614
ayyyyyyyyy lmao
>>63166055
>the Arena of Bruce
>>63162614
The fuck? Is Union Bandwagoner Garber using a proxy all along?
>>63166043
Up there with Brazil v Paraguay Copa America 2011
Any chance of massive riots if Whitecaps loss to Sounders?
>First leg of Vancouver-Portland isn't even on TSN1
Go fuck yourselves TSN
>>63166260
that would be fun, I missed out last time. but sadly no.
>>63166055
>Bruce """"""""""Arena""""""""""
>>63166300
no quotation marks necessary, it's a measure of his width
JUST
>>63166330
JUST
Confirmed by Jonathan Tannenwald
Sunday, November 1: D.C. United vs. New York Red Bulls, MLS Cup playoffs conference semifinal first leg, 3:00 p.m. (ESPN, ESPN Deportes)
Sunday, November 1: Portland Timbers vs. Vancouver Whitecaps, MLS Cup playoffs conference semifinal first leg, 5:00 p.m. (ESPN, ESPN Deportes)
Sunday, November 1: Montréal Impact vs. Columbus Crew, MLS Cup playoffs conference semifinal first leg, 7:00 p.m. (Fox Sports 1, Fox Deportes)
Sunday, November 1: Seattle Sounders vs. FC Dallas, MLS Cup playoffs conference semifinal first leg, 9:30 p.m. (Fox Sports 1, Fox Deportes)
sounders / montreal mls cup
calling it now
>thinking fc dull-ass has any sort of chance against obafemi martins
>thinking port"land" or va"nco"uver presents any sort of threat to the sounders at all
>not thinking drogba is going to pull a 2012 champions league and drag montreal single-handedly into the finals
>even thinking about supporting the ny blue balls
lets get real
>>63166355
I'm a whitecaps fan but I'd be ok with this, as long as montreal don't win it, anyway
>>63166375
Montreal looks a bit too scary with Drogba
>>63166355
If Montreal wins the Cup every /mls/ general thread next season has to be in français
Seattle will not make it out of the next round. That team is a fluke.
Whitecaps-Red Bull final
>>63166407
>a fluke
Least goals conceded (while playing in the Bestern Conference) and a healthy Oba+Dempsey? I don't think so
>>63166375
>vancouver resident
>okay with seattle winning
what are you a fucking fegit
>>63166428
no alonso. good luck with that.
>>63166343
what a crazy day that will be.
>>63166428
[spoiler]dempsey a shit[/spoiler]
>>63166355
>sounders even getting to western conference finals
when will this meme end?
>>63166458
On Sunday when Dallas booty blasts them
>>63166434
I'd rather have another cascadia team win it than another canadian team tbqh. toronto can fuck right off (and now have, thankfully) and I'm still mad about that shit montreal pulled in the canadian championship about 6 years ago
>>63166407
see >>63166428
sounders would have easily won the supporters shield had dempsey and martins been healthy for the whole season. they went on a 9 GAME LOSING STREAK without those two players losing a shit load of 1-0 games and still finished 4th. the seattle defense can absolutely pull it together, valdez is already fucking killing it, and the pappa/friberg combo will shit on your mom's tits.
>>63166480
Cucked
>>63166485
Seattle niggers need to fuck off.
>>63166434
BTFO BY THE CASCADIA BROSHIP
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>>63166494
Literally the most reddit thing I've ever seen
>>63166343
>Seahawks vs.Cowboys
>FC Dallas vs.Sounders
>all on the same day
Should be fun
>>63166504
ABCs LITERALLY ON SUICIDE WATCH OVER HERE CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE CASCADIA TEAMS IN THE MLS CUP
GO SPEND ANOTHER $20,000,000 ON A MIDTABLE SQUAD LAG/TFC FAGGOT
>>63166504
ABCs literally on suicide watch over how many Cascadia teams are this deep in the MLS Cup
Go spend another $20,000,000 on a midtable squad LAG/TFC bandwagoner
>>63166519
>>63166581
>mfw I don't see my post posted but I still get it 99% right the second time
>>63166600
that fucking faggot child has a fake diamond earring
deutschland ist vorbei
>>63166600
can't tell if boy with stupid earring or girl with stupid haircut
>>63166634
greece stole it in order to >pay debts
>tfw I went to bed right after the POR-SKC game started because I was tired af
Tears
For those of you who missed it, here's the full penalty shootout
https://streamable.com/rd1o
>the city of Toronto
HAHAHAHAHAHAH HOLY FUCKKKK
HOW BAD CAN IT GET
LITTERALLY 100% OF THEIR SPORTS TEAMS ARE FUCKING SHIT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FUCK
EVEN WITH SPENDING 20 MILLIONS ON GIOVINCO + BRADLEY +. ALTI THEY STILL GET BTFO BY A TEAM OF RETIRED EUROPEANS
FUCKING PATRICE BERNIER SCORED AGAINST THEM ANS HE'S LIKE 36
>>63166343
That DC/energy drink series will be fun
>>63169971
>not from on relevant city in entire nation
Who killed the national autism soccer league general?
>>63166185
>>63166221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmlhK0HenMc
>>63170449
It died
The funny thing is that 99% of the posts were actually about the NPSL
>>63169971
Still, they got what they looked for for 9 years, being in the playoff.
$20 mils well spent.
https://twitter.com/NewYorkRedBulls/status/659910278851788800
DC ALREADY GETTING BTFO
>>63171005
So glad Montreal blew them out.
>>63171021
>score already 1-0 before the match starts
>tfw trollpost ends season
>>63171005
One thing for sure
If they want to do any better next year, they need a better coah than Vanney
>yfw the league changed the rules so LA could sign Dos Santos, only for them to get eliminated in the first round
When will a MLS player die on the field?
>Bobby Boswell suspended for the first leg
Easy Bulls win
>>63171372
When one with a serious undiscovered heart condition (like some guy straight out of college or something) succumbs to it.
Or when a guy who suffers multiple concussions is allowed to repeatedly come back in and suffers a seizure then slips into a coma.
Or if Robbie Rodgers makes the USMNT for Russia 2018.
>>63172256
Lol this team is gonna be so cringe, but I can see them trying to start an arms race with LA only to get BTFO
>>63171190
>the league changed the rules so LA could sign [insert player name here]
Another orbit around the solar system and we are right back where we started
>>63172256
>>63172280
This'll just be the Bestern version of RBNY-NYCFC. LAFC-NYCFC should be maximum cringe too.
>>63172256
>implying Guisados are the best tacos in LA
But of course some white hilltop faggots would think that.
Guisados is literally Hipster Gentrification: Tacos Edition.
Protip: if you are North of Florence Ave. buying tacos, those aren't the best tacos in LA.
Lord knows some fucking rich cunt aint' going South beyond Staple Center though.
>>63172443
Name the best spots then fag cause I'm hungry
>>63172256
Fucking faggots
You now remember that, were it not for a coin flip, Jones would be playing for Chicago instead.
>>63172256
Can't wait for chivas usa 2.0 to join.
Nice beat up team.
>>63173017
LAFC will probably have its own stadium and wont be doing that Mexican only shit. I don't think it will be Chivas shit.
That being said, they are going to be super lame.
>>63172636
I'm making fajitas right now, amigo, come on over.
Alright lads, I have a confession to make. I made the /NASL/ General yesterday just as a containment thread for NAShilL and friends. The whole thing was a meme, 1-2 people called it.
>Traffic Sports pic in OP
>"the league is growing exponentially - an absolutely unprecedented feat of the human spirit that inspires us all"
kek, but it did get over 100 posts and last way longer than I thought it would. Might have to contain shills more often.
>>63173497
was pretty cool discussing non-mls leagues tbh.
>>63173497
Why contain it?
>>63173632
yeah, its cool for those who care about non-MLS teams. I personally dont. But if all the "ABMLS'ers" could just fuck off and stop shitting up this general that would be great.
>>63173673
the shills were insufferable and multiplying. wanted to stop the problem early.
>>63173681
What are the rules about this sort of thing, anyway? I mean, if someone on /v/ or /vg/ walked into a Halo thread and started bitching about how the PS4 was so much better than the X1, they'd get rid of that pretty quick, right? I even think the NASLbros have some decent points but the discussions are just so done by now nothing productive comes from it.
Remember my little sawker cucks
NASL will bring the true pyramid of pro/rel after we get division 1.
>>63173980
want me to make you fuccbois a new general?
>>63174003
Sure once USSF grants us our rightful division.
Grantland blown the fuck out
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>>63171134
TFC need better defenders and goalkeepers more than a new head coach.
>>63173946
There absolutely nothing stopping you from shitposting on /v/. There really is no rules.
Honestly I'm surprised people are actually responding to blatant shitposting here.
>>63172636
King Taco, puto. Make sure to ask for green salsa while you're at it.
>>63173497
>>63173632
>>63173681
>>63173946
Yesterday was fun. Join us and shill with wild abandon.
>>63174248
>>63174248
>>63174248
>>63174153
Because there are people who are insecure whenever MLS gets criticized. The NASL shitposting was much worse when the Cosmos tripfag was around.
>>63174327
>tfw I started a fake general which eventually led to ridding our sacred land of filthy shills.
I should be in the HoF tbh fam.
>>63174360
Well they should man the fuck up.
>>63174419
I agree, this is 4chan after all. You have to tell that to these anons
>>63174003
>>63173681
>>63173698
why did the union suck ass so much this season bros
a midfield of maidana/nogueira/barnetta/edu on paper should be one of the best in the league. is jim curtin a meme coach?
>>63174467
this is like some ditzy girl breaking into your man cave and moving all your shit around, adding all her dumb bullshit and then telling you to just man up about it. bitch, you and your shit need to get the fuck out.
>>63174537
>taking a Mongolian cartoon board this seriously
You should go to r/mls if you don't want any negative news about the league
>>63174532
>a midfield of maidana/nogueira/barnetta/edu on paper should be one of the best in the league
Barnetta joined halfway and Edu spent half the year as a center back.
>is jim curtin a meme coach?
No, look at the rest of his team. There is 0 depth whatsoever. Fabinho sucks ass.
If they can add some decent defenders and forwards this offseason and keep Aristegueta they should be fine. They got rid of Sak which helps
>>63174532
a bunch of problems really. thankfully changes are being made and they're heading in the right direction. here's to next season
I'm from the future.
The Red Bulls will choke again.
>>63166330
>When she extra wet and you just got done eating her out
>>63174532
No depth, shitty FO.
>>63173497
It was obvious man I eventually had to call you on it: >>63153865
But it turned into something fun and interesting, so tbh thanks
>>63174135
Kinda
But their gameplans are always extremely lackig
>>63174593
The only proper response to MLELSshills
>>63174380
Brilliant
TBH this sport needs segregation.
MLS should set up its own negro league
>you will never celebrate with her at a game
>>63175238
the 7 on the left right?
Anyone down for Trials? I'm still learning, but I have a Hacksaw with Full Auto, Hammer Forged, and Hand-Laid Stock
>>63175923
Is this some an hero shit?
First the Nasl shilling, now we have to deal with the beta uprising?
>>63162463
No, MLS has unbalanced schedule so the Supporter's Shield doesn't matter. If you want single table that's one thing but you can't declare them champions of league given the current schedule.
>>63176889
>MLS has unbalanced schedule so the Supporter's Shield doesn't matter
Not that guy (although a RBNY fan), but I love this argument because not only has there only been one balanced schedule season in the history of MLS, but the supporters actually went out of their way to create the shield. And yet, it somehow doesn't matter to anyone.
I'm a cup > all guy, but IMO, the Shield is a bigger accomplishment than the USOC.
>>63172256
>celebrating your 1 year anniversary when you don't even exist yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPO8RNyuCHs
>GOATlaxy playoff beast mode
Cant wait tbh
>>63178607
wow, location is about the only thing i like about this meme team.
>>63178817
got some bad news for you
>>63180062
He's a time traveler, don't ruin it for him just yet
>>63163945
OMG, she curls, too? Perfect woman.
>>63181851
>canadian meme marbles
>>63184495
Who?
https://twitter.com/SaddamAleikoum/status/659909840488275972
>Giovinco in charge of handling the banter
>>63184944
>Montreal fans being dicks.
I now remember that these people are also Canadians.
>>63185338
canadians are really passive aggressive
>Soon
>>63174380
Way too obvious, looks like most people in that thread just ignored your bait and were glad to find a lower leagues thread on /sp/.
>>63174360
Yeah, haven't seen in post in two years. Maybe Ted told him to stop posting on this site.
>Naming a professional sports team after a fucking sports drink
>>63184944
>letting French people get under your skin
He needs to go back to Libya
>>63185943
>Having the exact same name and colors of a team that already exists
>>63186121
>implying any team in MLS has a good name.
It's a pretty big gimmick
>>63186062
It's not named after
They bought the team
>>63172312
>le aids man
>>63186141
I unironically like the names, Chicago Fire, the crew, and the quakes.
>Soon
>>63191792
Always thought the Crew was a classic, even as a kid
>looking at NYRB roster
>see this
>>63186141
Tampa Bay Mutiny was pretty good desu sempai
>>63196109
thats the make a wish foundation thing that mls does with some of the kids
NASL SHILL BTFO
>>63196361
>PAYNE: I told them, “I don’t get this [Tampa Bay] ‘Mutiny’. What’s with the symbol?” They said, “Oh, it’s a mutant bat.” “Okay, what does that have to do with Mutiny?” “You know—Mutiny, mutant.” I said, “Those are two different words with completely different meanings. They just share some letters. What are you doing?”
>THOMAS RONGEN (Coach, Tampa Bay Mutiny): What the f---? A mutant bat? What are we representing? Nike must have had a few guys smoking dope, coming up with the craziest things.
XFL-tier m8
>>63198146
God I love MLS
>>63198146
MLS is the result of letting a twelve year olds make a wish dream
Can't stand the new skin desu
>>63202059
Thank God I left this tab open from yesterday so it still looks the same for me.
desu senpai
TFC literally still crying: http://www.wakingthered.com/2015/10/31/9649664/montreal-impact-supporters-need-to-be-punished-for-thursdays-antics-fan-violence-hooliganism-mls
I'm not even sure what a crew is. I just like how they are one of the few teams that aren't euroboo.
>>63206887
>pic related is a crew
I'd call them 50% yuroboo. Their new logo is obviously German-inspired and they added SC to the end of their name (but at least say it stands for Soccer Club).
>>63206816
Toronto fans need to harden up desu
>>63206887
>>63207062
their #1 fan roots for them regardless of their new name stills refers to them only as the crew.
>>63198146
that was a good read
Is there any good reason not to bet on the Cosmos tonight?
>>63209190
go back to /bet/
>>63207062
SC is still yurosnob faggotry. Just because you changed it from "football" to "soccer" doesn't mean you aren't still using European naming conventions.
desu I don't really give a shit weather it has sc, fc, or some corny american name
>>63206816
The league needs to stop punishing supporters groups period.
>neo-nazi mls club never
>>63210399
U.S. sports were like the first adopters for family-friendly stadium environments though. There's no chance for authentic ultras here. Roma's ass-stabbers would be imprisoned after suffering the beating of their lives from cops in riot gear.
>>63210163
Before 1930 most teams in the US had some variation of "FC" or "SC" in the name. They're just hearkening back to a time before the game died out in the US.
>ABMLS thread couldn't even last until the games this weekend
not even a nashill, watching my first game now.
>>63210622
>go to bed
>wake up
>ABMLS is ded
I'd make another one but the board is 2spooky. Putting that shit off til tomorrow.
>that minnesota united fc crowd
they'll fit right into mlels
>>63210575
They were actually clubs back then though. A group of workers or neighbors who got together to play soccer on the weekends. Maybe there were some barnstormers too, although that was a mostly U.S./black thing.
Nowadays all these teams are franchises or, in the case of MLS, single-entity subsidiaries. They should be called Columbus Crew Ltd. or something.
>>63210937
They're all privately owned and operated outside of MLS and their USL reserves, though. If you drill down to NPSL and lower, the FCs and SCs are exactly what you describe.
So yeah, MLS teams are about as artificial as Applebee's, but that doesn't mean a non-corporate name is somehow un-American.
>>63210993
That's why I'm perfectly ok with NPSL teams naming theirselves FC or SC if it accurately reflects their organization.
I'm particularly a fan of AFC Cleveland, who say their AFC stands for A Fan's Club, since they're fan-owned.
MLS should stick to the Nike/U.S. pro sports leagues-style [city name] [nickname] imo
>>63211091
>their AFC stands for A Fan's Club
That's really cozy. I assumed it was Athletic Football Club and they were being Euroboos. This may be the first and only time I have ever been jealous of the city of Cleveland in any capacity.
>>63211157
>Athletic
>not Association
reeee
>>63211091
That's probably not gonna happen since they specifically chose the most generic names to be internationally marketable ie Atlanta United
>>63211236
To trigger you further, between 1890 and 1920 a few teams in the US used "SFC", meaning "Soccer Football Club".
>>63211236
>2015
>not ETO FC aka Egyetértés Torna Osztály Football Club aka Concordance Gymnastics Department Football Club
shiggy diggy
>>63211465
Forgot the pic
>>63210622
>finally got into the Cosmos-Rowdies game at like 75 mins
NASL could really make it clearer that the best way to watch without cable is Sling TV.
>>63210993
>that doesn't mean a non-corporate name is somehow un-American.
MLS teams effectively aren't allowed to follow normal US sports naming because there are too many faggots who think we have to do thing the European way or it doesn't count. If an MLS team tried to name themselves Bears or Eagles or some shit everyone, even people who don't consider themselves Yurosnobs would come out against it.
We're stuck with FC/SC and even a meaningless Real or two all because American fans would rather see you pretend than be authentic.
>>63212095
been watching on the espn app on my tablet, since i've got cable. don't think they show the games on tv, just online.
>>63170744
/NPSL/ general when?
>>63173017
LAFC
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>>63213066
isn't that just summerball though?
unless we've got a /sp/fc in the works, i don't see it sustaining a thread.
>>63213159
If our 4cc team ever wins a cup, do we get promoted to NPSL?
>>63213397
you gotta pony up even more to join upper leagues no?
>>63213874
America, where winning costs you more money.
>>63212131
>Real
>Whitest place in America
>You support this "league"
>>63207173
She looks bretty gud by columbus standards. I'd fuck her tbqhwyf.
>>63213930
>>63213874
we would realistically need 40-50k dollars to join the NPSL, could it be owned by the 4chan meme trust? We have the logo.
>>63216158
>the union is literally better than any NASL team name
>>63213930
Yeah because it's not like the money flush teams in European leagues are the strong ones.
>the /MLS/ thread is almost entirely discussion of non-MLS leagues lately
>during MLS PLAYOFFS
We all made fun of NASL shill (competitionisgood) but did he win?
>>63219674
no games on you pleb.
tomorrow, open wide for mls playoff drama
So fuckin hype
I forget, did they get rid of away goals for the playoffs?
Fuuuuuck
http://www.sounderatheart.com/2015/10/31/9651238/osvaldo-alonso-unlikely-to-play-vs-fc-dallas
At least we have an excuse if we lose, I guess. Has any other playoff team been hit by injuries this hard?
>>63223014
Probably a mixture of the turf and the conditioning coach. Alonso has been injured literally all season, hopefully it's not the beginning of the end for him. ;_;
>tfw even though >we won the ss, are in the playoffs and are playing dshit, we won't sell out rba
What time does the /mls/ fun start today?
>>63223517
I hear the 2nd leg is selling out well. Either way, I'd rather just be successful right now, and focus on popularity later.
>>63223636
3:00
>>63223857
thanks, I was hoping I had time for a cheeky nap before the noon game.
Is it to early to get hyped guys?
My balls have been tingling all morning
>go impact
>>63225189
My body isn't ready for BONG just yet
>lowest payroll in the league
>the kids are all right
>erryone healthy
Feeling pretty good senpai to make a mockery of this league.
POST YFW DC UNITED WINS THE MLS CUP: HALLOWEEN EDITION
>>63223517
Winning>Muh Attendance
>>63223014
>>63223363
lol get keked shitteale
http://youtu.be/r1RG6O4tHZg
hype
>>63226532
>thinking DC stands a chance against the Pink Cows
>the city of you
>>63226929
Funny thing is I'm still somewhat confident
We're like 5-3-1 against the remaining Western Conference playoff teams, some of those wins coming when we had pretty significant injury problems
My body is ready to give DC the business for the fourth time this season.
>>63227761
Nobody ever beats the same team 4/4 times in the same season
>>63225189
Impact gonna take them young niggas to the promised land
>>63223517
>New York Red Bulls can't draw crowds
It's weird, because out of the 2 New York teams you guys are actually the less plastic ones, and Red Bull Arena is way better than Yankee Stadium for soccer. Maybe the problem is the name?
>>63228580
Yeah and location, although it isn't hard to get out there desu.
>>63228355
Technically it's not four wins; our only game at RFK this season was a 2-2 comeback draw
Even so, a non-scoreless draw does us good too. As long as we set ourselves up well for the return leg, I'll be satisfied.
>inb4 that's so metro
>>63228580
It's the name. And the 18 years of futility and treating fans like ass.
VAMOS METRO
>Soon
I can't wait to stop caring about every other shitty team from here
Match thread
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>>63234473
>this will never go away
kill me senpai. why did she have to leave her house and go to that event. there was nothing else she had to do that day? didnt they get enough pics without her? why post hers? this is literally hurting more than it helps because of how ugly she is.
>>63225975
you guys better beat seattlel senseless
>tfw back to back to back to back playoff games
>tfw living around the corner from an ultracomfy soccer pub
>>63234638
kek deal with it altantlel
>>63234638
>tfw no hot sothern belle was available for rent that day
>>63235444
its literally this tho. They brought me into VIP because I had hot friends.
>>63235446
>Not niggerchu.png
>Portlel
>Shittle
Two of the memest teams are in the semis. Do t let us down Van and Dallas. Save our league!
>>63235943
Hurr look guys I said nigger. Aren't I edgy and cool senpai.
>DC
shit city
shit fans
no stadium
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>>63234473
What is wrong with her face? It's like she had to shave the whole lower half and every inch got razer burn.
Seated and ready for the cascadian clash! PTFC
>>63166375
ACES!
>>63238447
post pics of qts
>>63236130
>Dallas
>refuses to pay players competitive wages or buy players worth them
>meme'd their way through the Bestern through chemistry and elite injury avoidance
>this is the MLELS you want to save
>>63239604
>prefers overpaid usmnt players and imports to homegrown players
it is a great storyline that nyrb and dallas, the two lowest payrolls in the league, won the points game. if they can make it to the final, it would be further validation. i'm thinking there is a happy medium that can be very successful
>>63239604
A team of nobody's that develop to be a competive team in this league as are the vancover white caps. Btw why are you so butthurt Portlel supporter?
>>63239604
>playing with homegrown players and undervalued south american players is a bad thing
yeah, because spending millions like toronto works so well
>>63239546
Not much around me, desu
>>63239883
It's a horrible story. It speaks to a lack of ability to coach >superstars among the big clubs. Developing homegrown talent is great if they go on to achieve success on a higher stage, but if they're held hostage by MLS clubs that pay them wages you can barely live off in a major city, that's despicable. The MLS is the WNBA of U.S. men's sports leagues when it comes to salaries.
>>63239919
most likely a Shittle supporter to be honest
>>63240155
if this can happen with these low wages, imagine with higher ones.
probably spend less on the overpaid, underperforming superstars, and more on the lower end of the team.
anyway, wages are going up as it is, so we're getting there slowly.
>>63240184
You called it (even though it's not hard to go straight to ABS on /sp/).
I'm not butthurt about anything though. I'm disappointed that so many Sounders got injured this season, sure, but I'm not blaming anyone for it. I think we'll win this meme cup, but I won't blame any other team if we don't.
>>63239604
>>63240481
Stop posting your as intriguing as a bag of sand desu.
>>63240361
I'll only be able to imagine it, because the more this happens, the more unlikely it is.
Wages are going up from poverty standards, sure. There are still players whose wives have to work to support the family. PRO U.S. ATHLETES WHO AREN'T THE MEN OF THEIR HOUSE.
What makes you think wages are significantly raising? The MLS players' union is a joke. All that holdout talk is memespeak. They have no chance at defeating the single entity or USSF.
>Dom Dwyer is from Kekfield, United Kingdom
O I AM LAFFIN
How long did you Brits think you could hide it from us that you have a city named Kekfield? Fucking typical
>>63240603
Is there anything worse than a /sp/clone who can only shill for the MLS and shitpost Anybody But Seattle? Come up with some original content or kill yourself my man
>>63240733
>the city's name was around before the chopped up slang term was used
The word is kekold not kek. So your statement is invalid.
>>63240931
>hivemind
I'm glad you have no idea what your talking about.
I thought the Red Bulls were gonna dominate? Looks more like they are steam rolling their good ol choke and dive antics.
>>63241299
>believing the delusional red keks
wouldnt be surprised if they lose against DC
>>63241299
>>63241394
>you
>not keks
>These two teams made the eastern semis.
Who here has a better view than I?
>>63239604
Someone's upset.
>>63242151
Dallas is good people.
Will be rooting for them if they make it past the Sounders
>Tfw you'll never see Parerra hand fucc boi Caleb Porter a tissue full boogers this season again.
>>63242269
Are Seatle supporters this full of shit?
>>63242269
>>63242334
>if they
>not when they
truly the shittiest
how does this meme competition work? is it not a league system?
>>63242445
First round was knockout. Conference semi and finals are home and away leg, mls cup final is a final.
whitecaps thread?
>mfw victory
>>63242445
It is a league, but the ultimate winner is decided by a playoff series at the end of the season, with the draw for who faces who and who goes straight to the 2nd round decided by final league position. much like how promotion would work in many euro 2nd- and lower tiers if there were no automatic promotion positions.
there's a sort of trophy for finishing 1st in the regular season, but it's considered unimportant compared to actually winning the playoffs
>>63242498
>>63242795
thanks. I've always wondered how it worked and why people always talked about a final.
>>63242334
No, ignore the Brony
>canadian national anthem
>anthems
pls no this is embarrassing, save that shit for international games or maybe the final
Gamethread?
>Tifo irrelevant
Portlel fan boys
>>63243245
propaganda machine desu
They take a team picture before every game? That's hilarious
GAMETHRED WEN
>THE POWER OF KWARASEY STOPS YOU HOSERS
>HOSERS
What a bunch of eurofags
>>63243393
It's pretty common in cup tournaments. They do it in the Champions League, anyway.
So are Portland never gonna wear their home shirts again or
>>63243515
>mfw the power of kwarasey couldn't stop the flu
>>63243515
I actually thought hoser was a Canadian thing
So why is some Aussie cunt starting and not kuwarsey?
>>63243515
I don't think that's European..
>>63243628
He has the flu
Giving MLS a try - the Dallas/Vancouver game will be the better of the two right?
>>63243515
Hosers is a Canuck slang word dumbass.
>>63243593
It is, I think it's more a rural prairies thing than the west coast though
>>63243713
Yes
>>63243713
so you can bully us?
don't think so m8.
and it is seattle v. dallas
>>63243713
portland/vancouver you mean? probably, although the whitecaps are in bad form and portland are probably a bit tired
>>63243751
this. only time I've ever heard it is from americans trying to mock canadians
>>63243713
Seattle us usually the most entertaining, though Portland/Vancouver looks promising. Montreal will have a good atmosphere.
>>63243713
Dallas/Seattle. Maybe, Vancouver-Portland is an actual rivalry though
>Koffie
Why is Mezquida not even on the bench? I thought he was ready to play today.
>>63243786
It's fucking Portlel they're second biggest posers in the league. Maybe a close third.
>>63243763
>>63243768
>>63243786
>>63243790
>>63243793
My bad, misread the OP image. I guess I'll have to flick between them all but watched Toronto/Vancouver the other day and was impressed overall. Cheers lads.
>turbomanlets
>>63243888
Don't think you have to switch between them, all the games should be back to back
>>63243888
That was toronto/montreal m8, as much as I would have liked it to have been vancouver that got to B toronto TFO
>>63243917
Oh cool, nice one.
>>63243888
There actually on one after the other so you can see all the matches, not that you would want to do that
>>63243933
Ah fucking hell, yeah that's the one. I enjoyed the bells after every goal, nice touch. Defending was truly appalling by Toronto but they really weren't that bad overall. Cheers all again.
So far this game is just people whining. Fuck it's sad
wish vancouver had a third uniform with the oldschool blue hoop, would look great along with portland's retro shirts
Why do Canadians teams play in American leagues?
>>63245510
because unofficially canada is our 51s state.
>>63245510
Because what Canadian league?
>>63245510
Why do welsh teams play in the English leavue?
>Red Bulls win
Guess Bobby Boswell will have to come back and rape Bradly Wright Philips ass on national TV when he comes back from suspension.
>>63246913
DC United just became the first team in MLS history to not register a shot on goal in a home playoff game.
Boswell ain't changing shit.
LETS GO CREW
Shit, now we on ghetto ass Fox Sports 1
>>63248134
nah better then espn
http://cricfree.sx/sky-sports-5-live-stream
UK stream if you want it lads
Match thread: >>63248423
>>63248489
>>63248489
>>63248489
>>63248489
>>63248489
Crew vs Montreal Gamethread
>>63248464
shit thread desu
>>63248505
good thread lad
>that drogba blatant foul
disgusting
>yfw montreal might actually win the cup
Seattle vs. FC Dallas game thread:
>>63253835
>>63253835
>>63253835
>Seattle looking old and slow
>letting the meme team score on you
cmon dallas
I was at work for 10 hours today, what did I miss?
>>63257589
Scoreboard.
>>63257589
Well, FC Dallas is a young team and led offensively by 2 pacebabbies, so that's no surprise
>>63260508
Stop
o-oh well, maybe that home record will come through next week.
r8 drogba/sith lord video im working on pls
http://i.pomf.pl/dhejog.mp4
bump from p9
>>63269423
from p6 nao
don't stay hidden in your general.
come discuss the incident, famy
>>63271817
>>63265243
Pretty good, don't forget to inlcude his antics vs the red bulls
>>63272880
'no'
>Seattle
>able to actually play good soccer
Pick uno. The Flounders are a trash team able bumble their way around due to shit offciating.
>because no one ever posts an updated playoff bracket
>mfw Jermaine Jones nignogged the Revs to the MLS Cup finals in 2014
>mfw Drogba nignoggs the Impact to the MLS cup finals in 2015
http://www.nycfc.com/post/2015/11/02/jason-kreis-leaves-post-new-york-city-fc-head-coach
>NY*Clap*FC
>Jason Kreis and NYCFC part ways
Will Seattle get him if they don't win MLS Cup?
>>63278812
Damn
It's over for NYC
>>63279368
It's never over as long as the emir has a dollar (or a million) in his pocket.
>>63279445
That would be true for any other league
But this is MLS, where the top two finishers had the two lowest payrolls
You can't just throw money at a problem here and it will work out your problems
>>63278816
Maybe even if we do win the cup. Word on the street is Sigi is having health problems and is looking to retire soon. Winning the cup and going off into the sunset knowing the team is in good hands would be a great time to end a storied career
>Soon
>>63279873
shouldn't you go to /nfl/?
>Jason Kreis sacked
Og fuck off Mansour.
>>63280016
>>63278816
Union sign Kreis pls, him and Earnie would wreck this league
>>63280016
>Jason Kreis sacked
>Jose Mourinho comes in
>get rid of proven MLS coach to most likely bring in a yuro who has no idea how many DP slots there are
20 bucks says they miss the playoffs again if they bring in a yuro coach
>>63245510
were keks and too cowardly to form our own league. We piggyback on the achievements of the US because we practice in our culture "the tall grass is the first to be cut". In canada its not about succeeding, its about making everyone else fail. We are nothing, a joke, a cancer.
>>63280404
No one's going to take that bet when we all know it's going to happen
>>63280455
Should've put Louis Riel in charge.
>>63280455
In a way, youre right. Canadian history is the history of finding someone to blame for all of your problems. Whether it was the French, the metis, the americans, Stephen Harper, this country is so arrogant and yet so passive aggressive.
We would never tell americans to fuck off, because we are too weak and cowardly to go it alone, instead we have passive-aggressive media like comedians making fun of "idiot americans". Ask a Canadian to define an american and its always the same stupid "fat, racist, blah blah blah" and yet we are nothing without the USA, we would be as poor as mexico without the weather if america stopped buying out shit. We are so jealous of that need that all we can do is try to make fun of americans, what the fuck have canadians accomplished?
>>63280960
You, at least, have the Avro Arrow.
pls come back jason
>>63281222
He's coming to Seattle after we win the cup this year, faggot
>yfw NYCFC hire Petke
>>63281283
>Seattle
>Winning MLS Cup
lmao why are sheltered hipster white people so fucking delusional?
>>63281283
he's going to toronto m8
>>63281283
Seattle MLS Cups: 0
>>63281101
I curse this land and I curse this nation, to hell with Canada and all who call themselves Canadian
>>63281416
I'd rather live in canada than the US at this point to be honest with you
>>63281400
Toronto should have gotten Bob Bradley
>>63281498
>wanting to live in literally a socialist shithole
>>63281498
>might move in with my gf in toronto next year
pretty hype to be honest family. fuck the USA
>>63281583
>wanting to live in a backwards ass capitalist society
>>63281629
Don't forget to learn Jamaican Creole, Urdu and Arabic before you go
>>63281629
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH
oh boy are you in for a world of dissapointment
>>63281682
>>63281739
It can't be that bad? We're looking at apartments
>>63282080
You'll be living in one of the most expensive places in the world to live (cost of living wise) with shitty weather and your neighbours won't speak english.
>>63278812
The shit show at Boy City this season isn't really his fault. Someone will snatch him up. Shit teams like Chicago and Colorado would love to have him.
>>63282940
And this was NY Shitty's first season. It's unrealistic to think you can go to the Finals in your first year.
Manchester City B
>>63280404
Here's a cool thing they could do after flying in that yuro: tell him how many DP slots there are
>>63280455
soon: http://www.wakingthered.com/2015/6/1/8700625/canada-new-soccer-league-by-2017-csl-nasl-cfl-world-cup-2026-bid-football-stadiums
>>63283729
CSL already exists and is probably one of the most corrupt sports leagues on the planet and only exists for Indonesian gamblers to make easy profits.
>>63284624
That's why the Canada soccer federation unsactioned it in 2013 (and also because all the teams were in Southern Ontario, so it wasn't exactly a national league).
This new league would open in 2017, until which there's no official Canadian national league. I'm not hopeful about it, since Canada hasn't been able to make any successful pro league in a sport the U.S. doesn't have one for already, but it's something.
>>63283592
>there's 4
>well actually, there's 3, but there's also a 4th player that you can pay over the salary cap, but you have to buy their salary down with TAM
>you do know there's a salary cap right?
>oh, TAM is this special allocation money. You'll get so much TAM over time, but you can spend it all at once
>what's allocation money you ask? Allocation money is
>you know what, let us get back to you on that
>>63285073
Biggest single reasons are the enormous distances between major population centers. The distance between Calgary and Toronto is the same distance as Lisbon Portugal to Minsk Belarus. And in between that there is only 1 city with more than 250K people.
>>63280404
I can already tell that the management is going to make it hard for me to be a fan of this team.
>>63286882
So you're A-OK with the >hooligans and playing in a baseball stadium?
>>63285073
The CSA has zero money, so I don't understand how they expect to attract talent befitting a pro league designation, especially when it'll have to directly compete with a far superior product already entrenched within the country's biggest cities. Does it really make sense to have a 'national' league that omits all of Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver? And if they do go into those cities, where are they going to play? A Vancouver canadian-league team tied to the CFL - would they also be playing in an already-obscenely-busy BC Place with a schedule directly conflicting with the Whitecaps? Who is going to seriously enjoy watching shit soccer in front of 2-3k people in a 55k-seat stadium when your city already has a far better draw playing in the same venue?
Nothing about it adds up.
>>63286962
I'm still not convinced NYCFC aren't a fake team being used to collect footage for a Mike Bassett England Manager-style documentary comedy
>>63280404
>implying
kreis, like other mlels coaches, is fucking awful. Lampard, Pirlo and Villa should have been enough to domininate this meme league. Cant wait for a competent coach like Capello to show this meme league who is boss.
>>63287152
hell I'll go even further and say that any NASL coaches given the chance can beat mlels meme teams.
>>63287848
>>63287152
put your trip back on naslshill
I've made a chart comparing continuity of coaches and number of playoff appearances
It's not as definite as I thought, but the trendline does show that more continuity correlates with playoff appearances.
http://www.univision.com/deportes/futbol/mls/jaime-penedo-podria-regresar-al-la-galaxy-como-recambio-para-la-temporada-2016
Apparently Jaime Penedo is going to come back the the Galaxy
>>63185943
>disguising no fans with curtains
>>63282940
No, I don't think it's his fault either; I'm just laughing at all the supporters who predicted their club would be a powerhouse. Now they're coachless. But "the best is yet to come", right?
Unless they're trying to follow the patented "Fire Coach, ????, Supporters Shield!" process, developed and perfected by the New York Red Bulls.
>>63291047
Both of those involved hiring coaches with MLS experience
Do you see Man City doing that?
>>63289481
Playoff qualification is relatively easy in MLS. Redo the graph by total number of playoff games. Does coach retention correlate to actual deep playoff runs
Nasl rabble rabble rabble
>>63289481
>>63291157
Or just scrap playoffs all together and plot coach/season against median final standing position.
>>63291348
That seems like a lot of work and I'm not autistic enough
>Soon
>>63286968
>Nothing about it adds up
Because the original idea was brought by Traffic Sports to the CSA, since both entities were already working together for a potential 2026 World Cup bid. Traffic Sports also had NASL involved in the planning of the league, since two potential markets (Edmonton and Ottawa) were already part of the NASL. Traffic Sports managed to convince some CFL owners to be part of this league.
Once the FIFA corruption scandal emerged, Traffic Sports was immediately out of the picture and NASL stepped down to focus on its own league expansion. Looks like the CSA and CFL still have plans to continue with establishing a Canadian League, with some help from Bell Media.
>>63165239
pure fucking class
i was there in the supporters end and TA goes DEAD QUIET when anyone scores on them
had a strange matchday cause i'm a naturalized sounders supporter and sat there in the heart of darkness silently cheering on for an skc win
that penalty series was absolutely RETARDED if you guys havent seen it yet
>>63166458
well they were western conference champs last year along with winning the supporters shield so WHO FUCKING KNOWS WHY PEOPLE HOLD THIS BELIEF
>>63295699
>Sounders fan
>wanting KC to win
how much fucking worse can shittle fans get?
Crew getting refballed out of the playoffs
>Soon
>>63299585
It's ok, Ohioans will toke it up after tonight to forget their troubles.
>>63299585
>>63308358
>yfw montreal will refball their way to the finals just because of drogba and the ratings
>>63281403
>needing our elite turf to beat LA
>>63308465
>ratings
The Montreal game had the lowest ratings of all the conference semifinals
Supposedly Houston is looking for potiential buyers for Cubo Torres.
Doubt that will go through.
Now that Kreis is the best MLS coach on the market, what happens with Petke? Did Marsch's success make him look bad?
>>63311192
Henry hurt Petke more than anyone desu.
There's real questions about him being a good coach, or he just happened to have a strong roster. He'd still be an improvement for some teams.
>>63310710
Its not unlikely, especially if Owen Coyle stays. He seems to prefer Bruin over Torres.
baka desu senpai
>>63308358
>(You)
>>63313081
Only thing that has me thinking otherwise is how Chris Caneti (AEG-kun) says how they plan to work the team around Cubo, but like you said if Owen Coyle is gonna stay and be able to produce, he's gonna build the team the way he wants to make this "Kinnear team" into the "Owen Coyle super brit/euro elite MLS team"
This thread is close to the limit, so I'll hold the webms until the new one.
>>63320140
There are 60+ responses left. You're good.
http://www.sacrepublicfc.com/news/2015/11/04/sacramento-market-analysis#.VjpW9_mrTIU
SOON
>>63322914
Please kek Paul Buckle for us, will you Sactown anon?
Friendly reminder that all West Coast fans are obnoxious scumbags and hipsters
FC Dallas' goalkeeper is the supreme gentlemen.
You are now aware.
>>63323705
You just need to give him a gf and he won't shoot anyone.
>Soon
>>63325362
who's stadium is this?
>>63326364
Atlanta Falcons
>USSF won't make decision on Richie Williams until next year
Why?
He's already proven himself incapable
>>63314928
Nevermind, apparently the Dynamo are looking to put Cubo on the block because working a team around 1 player doesn't already sound retarded. Giles Barnes has signed a new contract with the team, who has also gained attention from a few other teams.
Also San Antonio confirmed to coming to MLS
>>63327013
Correction.
San Antonio is in the works of coming closer to landing a spot in MLS.
The City of San Antonio is buying Toyota field, Spurs Sports and Entertainment will own soccer franchise.
https://twitter.com/ellierosetx/status/662011501797093378
>>63327028
>>63327192
What about the Scorpions?
>>63328247
Scorpions were also sold with Toyota Field.
for 21 million.
They will be moving from the NASL to USL.
All part of the move to MLS.
Wonder what the NASL shill has to say about this.
https://twitter.com/ByNeilMorris/status/662020513292812288
>>63327251
>>63329047
>>63329288
>>63329474
>>63329288
triggered
>>63323705
nah, he is mexican, so not the same dangerous eurasian mutt type the supreme gentleman was.
but he is also just 20.
damn
>>63328659
NAShill on suicide watch
>>63330811
>muh anti-trust
>muh conspiracy
>muh rigged open cup
>http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/132549625852/san-antonio-scorpions-fire-head-coach-at-the
Pretty fucked up, but couldnt help laughing at the fact that this happened in NASL.
>>63332009
The Scorpions apparently have a ton of problems
http://www.examiner.com/article/sources-reveal-problems-inside-scorpions
Should have expected it when the initial rumors werenthe Spurs were going to buy the stadium and not the team
>>63332009
literally Mike Bassett England Manager-tier
>>63281283
>Shitattledumbs
>Seakekladumbs
>Soundumbs
>the metrosexual shitty of Seatlel
>>63332697
I can't believe how scummy these fucks are
"The other major problem in attracting players to the club is the lack of health insurance, with sources confirming that Scorpions players are not offered health insurance. While players who get injured on the field are covered that is minimal and there is no further health insurance offered to clubs, meaning that they need to acquire that insurance privately if they want coverage for themselves or their families.
Talking to sources outside of the Scorpions, this is unfortunately not an anomaly for the club, as it appears that most American NASL clubs behave like this. That is likely due to NASL standards, which don’t require any coverage of players or their families’ health insurance, which does not constitute a breach of the Affordable Care Act as very few clubs have 50 employees."
>>63328659
>>63332009
>>63333847
NASL SHILL ON SUICIDE WATCH
who thinks D.C. has a shot over New York. Are we totally fucked bros?
>>63335411
I do
It would be the most MLS thing MLS could MLS
Plus all you need is a 2-1 win
>this obsession over NASL
pathetic
>>63336110
>this obsession over MLS
You know that guy who acts all mighty and then gets his shit kicked in?
That's you
We reserve the right to laugh our asses off when that happens
>>63336147
what bait? half the thread is shitposting about NASL
>>63336159
who got their shit kicked in? i'm happy San Antonio is leaving the league, shit meme team that is stupid enough to throw $100 million down the drain
>tfw no rachel qt gf
>>63308589
ahahahah oh yeah
i forgot we literally won a championship on your home field
lmao
>>63335411
Depends how we play.
If we play like we did in the first half of the previous match, we have a shot.
If we play like did in the second half... zero chance.
>>63339960
>you will never cum on her face
>>63335411
I'd eat that booty like groceries
Kinda of odd, but really no choice
>>63347360
Not really odd, considering this was the format CONCACAF planned on using to determine the two remaining Copa America Centenario spots. Good to see the rumors of CONCACAF changing the qualification method to give teams like Honduras and El Salvador a chance to qualify didn't come to fruition.
>>63347745
I meant the date
But not much they could do
Any new rumors recently from the team your following /mls/?
>Brad Davis could be going to Kansas City
>>63348024
Cosmos apparently want to sign Leo Fernandes when his loan expires.
>>63348024
may or may not get our old flame back.
>Nagbe confirmed on the USMNT
Good start, but Klinsmann needs more
I wonder how he'll be out of position
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1110/major-league-soccer/2015/11/05/17019212/inside-mls-ramos-leads-pack-for-fire-job-morris-still
>the Fire have already interviewed former New York Red Bulls coach Mike Petke and U.S. Under-17 national team coach Richie Williams for the position, but it is believed Ramos is the preferred choice.
What the fuck?
>>63348468
>ramos leaving his comfy position at the USSF
I doubt it
>>63348492
I doubt your doubts
I'm sure he sees it as like a college football coach sees the NFL
I just don't know why he would be first choice, especially above Petke
>>63348596
Ramos already talked about focusing on being a technical director in the future and being content working at the USSF. Also the fact that the last youth national team coach to make a move to MLS (Wilmer Cabrera) is currently job less, it will be risky for Ramos to take a job at a team where he will get sacked if immediate results aren't obtained.
>>63348024
Not a too obscure rumor, Brad is from Missouri, wouldn't be a bad team for him to end his career in.
>>63348933
They all say that.
Is he really going to talk about complaints he has?
Things change. He has two huge losses in the last 2 months.
He's got a friend as the GM
Plus the reason Wilmer Cabrera doesn't have a job is because the club dissolved, nlt because he was fired.
>>63349073
>Plus the reason Wilmer Cabrera doesn't have a job is because the club dissolved, nlt because he was fired.
For the shitty team he had, he did an incredible job and deserved another opportunity at some other team. But that stigma of "Chivas USA's last years were shit" will stay with him. Same could happen with Ramos.
>He's got a friend as the GM
Except Rodriguez's boss isn't a complacent Gulati who doesn't give a shit about the youth national teams. Its an MLS owner who wants immediate improvement of his team.
>>63349188
>But that stigma of "Chivas USA's last years were shit" will stay with him
Wouldn't that have stuck to Nelson Rodriguez more?
>Its an MLS owner who wants immediate improvement of his team
True, but he'd have better job security than Kreis did at City
>http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2015/11/david-beckham-partner-land-owners-probably-will-blow-up-miami-soccer-deal.html
I almost feel bad for them
>>63349633
Republic definitely getting that expansion spot
>>63348342
>inb4 Nagbe starts at left back
I guess if you're going to be a cringeworthy NPSL team, might as well imitate the MLELS's best.
>Soon: We need a new thread edition
>>63357718
do it
new thread
>>63358609
>>63358609