can /sci/ explains how the placebo effect works?
how it's able to cure disseases and cause what christians calls miracles?
>>8195592
the mind is a powerful thing
since it controls so much shit, it can easily fuck your body intentionally and unfuck it depending on random shit
Maybe it causes epigenetic changes that somehow rewire the nerves that are sending pain signals when they shouldn't.
Placebo pretty much only works on stuff like back-pain, migraines and the like. Vague conditions without a clear cause involving abnormal pain. It doesn't actually work against stuff like infections and cancer.
>>8195592
>and cause what christians calls miracles?
Mr. Theologian sup.
>>8195592
Christians are social constructs.
>>8195613
The drugs of these treatments are compared with placebos, not just controls. There is a difference between placebo and controls even "against stuff like infections and cancer"
>>8195805
Drugs are a social construct.
>>8195613
>Maybe it causes epigenetic changes that somehow rewire the nerves that are sending pain signals
Wrong.
>>8195592
>how it's able to cure disseases
No.
Placebo doesn't DO anything. It just makes you feel better.
>cause what christians calls miracles?
Thats just retarded.
>>8195822
how do you explain christian miracles then?
>inb4 they don't exist
>>8195834
They don't exist.
>>8195837
how do you explain some of their miracles where people cure magically after praying?
>that doesn't exist
google some modern miracles that has been accepted by scientists as real.
>>8195853
They don't exist.
>>8195853
>magically
There is huge difference between "impossible" and "improbable". Living organisms are so complex that it is safer to believe it fixed itself than prayer. Also, lots of those people forget to mention actual medication that was given to them.
>google some modern miracles that has been accepted by scientists as real.
[citation fucking needed]
>>8195866
Thats 5 of how many billion? It is safe to assume those are statistical abnormality or incorrect data.
>>8195872
I didn't mean they're normal.
I'm talking they exists.
There has been some crazy shit if you read christian miracles.
My best bet is that placebo shit is some crazy shit.
>>8195875
>There has been some crazy shit if you read christian miracles.
Yeah. Because those are made up.
Wouldn't be surprised if that article was too mostly fabrication.
And this has nothing to do with placebo.
>>8195866
>Case #1
>god saves an implicitly yet obviously european child
>meanwhile in africa
If this case really was the result of a miracle, then your god is the biggest troll of all possible interchans
>>8195877
>fabrication
not all of them.
some of them are recorded.
at least the catholic ones are real, since the catholic church takes them seriously.
>>8195878
I dunno.
I'm talking about the real ones.
It doesn't matter if they're staticticaly impossible, they still happens.
I just want to discuss the ones that are real.
>>8195881
>some of them are recorded.
Nope. NONE of them is recorded. [citation needed]
>at least the catholic ones are real, since the catholic church takes them seriously.
Just because some retards take them seriously doesn't make them anymore real.
>Miracles don't exist
[citation needed]
>>8195891
>they have the medical records.
[CITATION FUCKING NEEDED]
That article obviously didn't have ones. And reading the comments, there were some changes to the anecdotes.
And just because you cannot explain it doesn't make it a miracle.
>agnostic
And you have no fucking idea what that word means.
>>8195893
Burden of proof is on the side making a claim.
>>8195895
nigger, I'm not talking god exists.
I'm not a christian.
I'm talking they must have some scientific explanation.
Something fishy is happening there.
I do think the placebo effect has more power than simply being some pain killer.
>>8195901
>I'm talking they must have some scientific explanation.
Yeah. "miracle" is not one.
>Something fishy is happening there.
Your feet?
>I do think the placebo effect has more power than simply being some pain killer.
No real biologist would link those cases with placebo. Placebo has been throughly tested and shown no real effect other than perception by the patient.
>>8195901
>I'm not a christian.
Doesn't make you less retarded.
>>8195916
Each person is different. One person's fatal disease is other person's mild discomfort. It also takes few days for immune system to kick in. If you can survive till then, then you can have good chance.
You cannot draw any reasonable conclusions from few statistical outliers. It is best to suspend your judgement till more evidence is found. And saying "miracles happen" doesn't give you any ability to produce more evidence.
>>8195895
>Burden of proof is on the side making a claim.
Exactly, and you are claiming they don't exist.
>>8195925
I'm just talking there must be some condition that allows the brain to subconsiusly coordinate a sudden attack on the infection.
I'm not a christian believer, and I think there's a bigger chance for the mind duality problem to be real and that faith could affect other people bodies than for some giant tulpa to exist.
Hell, if the mind duality shit is real, maybe god is some kind of giant tulpa made real by millions of believers.
>>8195930
miracles don't exist and most stories involving them are simply made up. The rest are just hyperbole or a simple lack of information, and are often third hand explanations.
The Placebo Effect is just an example if how the brain can influence out physiology. It's not magic or special.
Take your spirituality and shove it.
>>8195955
>miracles don't exist
[citation needed]
>and most stories involving them are simply made up
Most and not all?
>The rest are just hyperbole
So the rest is made up?
>simple lack of information
What do you mean?
>and are often third hand explanations.
?????
>The Placebo Effect is just an example if how the brain can influence out physiology. It's not magic or special.
Science of the gaps. We don't know how it works.
>Take your spirituality and shove it.
No, and get out of here you uncivilized scum
>>8195955
I'm not a believer.
you're simply saying the hospitals and doctors are making things up and the medical records are simply made up.
you seem a militant atheist engage in some tirade againts religion like a fedora from reddit.
you seem angry.
I'm telling you those medical records exists, unless you can prove they're part of some conspiracy.
>>8195834
They don't exist.
>>8195961
[citation needed]
>>8195955
Why are miracles not possible?
>>8196074
define miracle
>>8195853
that doesn't exist.
>>8195866
>top 5 article
>valid source to be taken seriously
>>8196084
there's a will of god behind every action in the universe. Science only brings us closer to understanding his decisions.
>>8196084
>miracles are simply things that science can't explain or are impossible acording to science.
Your definition is faulty. If science can't explain it, then we either don't know how it happened, or they are impossible. In other words, we either don't know what physical law made this possible, or it's impossible due to the fact that we do know a physical law can't allow this to happen.
So if we define miracle as something science doesn't yet know, then the definition of a miracle is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance. Meaning there are no miracles, we just haven't discovered how it happened, yet.
>>8196101
>>8196102
That's my point, miracles are things we clearly still don't understand.
religious miracles could be evidence of some weird things that happen randomly or in some low chance.
I don't follow the naturalist meme.
There's clearly fenomena that still doesn't fall under the naturalist philosophy.
The mind body duality problem is one of them.
Unless you're a science fedora believer, it has not been solved yet.
Dreams have several explanations, but I haven't read one that can explain how a dream has prophetic meanings in average life.
I still think dreams seems to operate in some etherical world we can reach.
There's even phenomena of people being reborn while having memories of past lives.
All this shit is clearly documented and it's not fake.
Most of that shit is clearly under new age pseudoscience, but because it's pseudoscience doesn't mean the evidence is not real.
There's shit like ancient prophecies, many of which are clearly happening.
Even if they're fake, how could an ancient person had such vivid imagination to describe moral degradations that was impossible in their age.
Also the problem of the faith, how is even able to operate miracles? (they exist).
All the naturalist fags do is close their eyes and ears and scream it's not possible while ignoring the evidence is there.
I'm not talking about UFO shit, sorry.
>>8196123
>All the naturalist fags do is close their eyes and ears and scream it's not possible while ignoring the evidence is there.
I find it funny that you fail to see the irony in this.
>>8195866
this happens so little that it can be discounted as statistically insignificant
occasionally diseases get cured and cancer goes into recession without medicine for whatever reason, this is just that happening around the time somone was praying
>>8196127
there's clearly evidence that is impossible acording to the naturalist fags.
most of /x/ shit falls under it.
>>8196130
most of that shit can be discounted as statistically insignifant, I do agree.
but they keep happening.
saying it's something that has no value because it has a low chance, seems like closed minded.
I'm just telling you that naturalism is just another philosophy.
>>8196136
>there's clearly evidence
too bad the evidence is not all too clear
>>8196130
>this happens so little that it can be discounted as statistically insignificant
the same could be said about earth having life compared to the trillions of planets out there without
>>8196081
when something in the natural world happens that could not have happened through its own regularity, implying an agent outside the system is the cause
>>8196140
even if 99% of shit can be explained with a naturalism philosophy, there's a 1% that doesn't fall under the naturalism explanations.
by example faith.
It's been shown in experiments humans praying have some kind of force that affects the body.
It's even worse when you can affect other persons by praying.
It's even worse when you take into account the combined forces of millions of humans praying.
I'm not telling you it's some kind of vodoo shit, but I'm saying it's something worthy of studying.
>>8196151
>It's been shown in experiments humans praying have some kind of force that affects the body.
It hasn't under controlled conditions.
You're describing the placebo effect, which can be controlled for.
>>8196155
that's why I made this thread.
It seems the placebo effect has more power than simply being a pain killer.
>>8196150
If we don't know what caused it, then it's just implies that we don't know what caused it.
>>8196156
>It seems the placebo effect has more power than simply being a pain killer.
yeah, and? It's not magic.
You know there's a nocebo effect too right?
Fuck, this thread is full of shitty fedora-atheists.
Anyways, here's an hypothesis: the brain can influence the endocrine system which through different hormones can trigger a stronger immune response. This can be enough to fight off infections or cause spontaneous remission in cancer, given the right circumstances.
>>8196157
what im trying to say is a miracle doesnt "violate" any natural law, it only is evidence of an outside agent changing something or interfering with the system that the laws of nature would describe had normal operations taken place... so no laws are violated since something natural isn't what caused the effect, it's caused by something beyond the natural operations
>ask reasonable question about why placebos have an effect compared with no medication
>instead of trying to answer or address the important and difficult question, /sci/ instead goes for the low-hanging fruit of arguing that there are no miracles
shameful
>>8196165
Like the other anon mentioned, it's not magic, and it's not a miracle. Assuming your hypothesis is true, then it's just an inbuilt protection system our body uses to get better. Not sure what's with all the 'its a miracle, it's a god' posts, if your hypothesis is that it it's a purely biological function
>>8196162
magic is based around the concept of the faith.
It seems you haven't spend time reading some basic introduction to real magic (not some shitty TV show astrology garbage).
real magic is based on the concept that concentrated faith can have real effects on the real world.
>>8196171
this is what I mean.
there's evidence to suggest there seems to be an alternate reality, it seems dreams and astral travel are evidence of this alternate reality.
Also postelgates, ghosts.
It's not something weird, most of the new age group seem to have some good explanations about it.
remember that pseudoscience is simply poorly done science, but this doesn't mean it can't be done in a better way.
Also remote vission and overall vissions of the future.
there's plenty of /x/ shit that keeps happening that simply dismissing it, is more a lack of imagination.
>>8196179
>real magic is based on the concept that concentrated faith can have real effects on the real world.
That's not how the placebo effect works.
When the placebo effect is controlled for, praying does as much as not praying.
>>8196183
I know.
I'm just giving you the definition of magic.
It's based around the belief that human faith can have effects on the real material world.
I do believe there's a science that study it.
Isn't it called noethics?
>>8196074
"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is."
-Albert Einstein
>>8196184
Where are you from, wise old mage?
>>8196189
what do you mean?
I love science but I also read new age shit and /x/ for fun.
>>8195592
It doesn't.
You can convince yourself that you're actually feeling better when you're not.
For example I could give you drink and tell you there's a bunch of alcohol in it. Seeing as you have no reason not to believe there's alcohol in it you start feeling a buzz. Soon you'll start acting like you're drunk. However the second I tell you there's no alcohol in the drink you'll suddenly sober up and feel embarrassed.
tl;dr it's very possible to make yourself believe that you're doing something that you're not.
>>8196204
that makes sense, except there's people with fatal illness that were at the brink of death that magically cured suddenly after praying.
sure, it's just a few times, but it has happened.
>>8196208
Name one that occurred under controlled, verifiable conditions.
>>8196237
maybe there's a little chance it will happen you know.
like from 1 billion times it only hapens a dozen times.
>>8196243
Is that another way of saying you don't have one? Then there's no reason to take you seriously, and I can justifiably say you're full of shit. You're full of shit. You're so full of shit.
>>8196257
my argument is how do you explain miracles.
your argument is they're not real which is basically a lie.
>>8196264
actually it's more like this
you: how do you explain miracles?
him: I don't think miracles exist can you give me one example
you: they do exist you liar
>>8196264
>which is basically a lie
How so? Because some "miracles" that aren't just complete hearsay are recorded in isolated, unrepeatable and unverifiable conditions that could just easily be faked? Yeah, that's real fucking convincing.
>>8196179
"magic" is something that occurs and you are unable to explain why. An example would be showing an android/ipad/smartphone to a civilization who has only invented the wheel. Magic is science that you don't understand yet. know a few nuclear physicists who love to say things "magically" work the way they do in lectures because no one knows why, but they say it in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way.
"miracles" are events with infinitesimally low probability, but given an infinitely long lasting universe you could see it happen. I mean consider the successful assassination of archduke ferdinand. Think about how many things had to go wrong (or right) for that event to succeed. Now multiply that by a thousand and I'd call that a miracle.
>>8196279
no, you just stole Arthur C Clarke's quote and used it as a definition for magic.
and every defenition of the word miracle entails supernatural cause not statistical improbability
>>8196274
>>8196275
you can spend five minutes on google searching for medical cases of the last 20 years.
if I keep bringing every case with some link you'll keep telling me it's some shit website or it's fake.
there was some news reports in my country last year about one, because it allowed my nation to have another new saint.
The plasticity of the mind is a very real thing that we don't really understand.
>>8196309
>f I keep bringing every case with some link you'll keep telling me it's some shit website or it's fake.
That's because it is either some shit website or fake, usually both. Find me one example of a miracle from a respected medical journal, or any other relevant field of study and then I'll consider taking your nonsense seriously.
>>8196340
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=184119
I'm sure there's some shit on google scholar.
>>8196294
guilty as charged for the magic definition. But I saw it used by my professors before I learned about the quote.
I find them indistinguishable, and there are religious scholars who argue that the concept of "divine intervention" is a farce if they want to simultaneously believe in a perfect God. Why would a perfect, timeless God need to intervene in his own creation after it has started?
>>8196351
This is behind a fucking paywall, has zero citations, and as far I can tell is about advances in medical science, not actual miracles.
>>8196370
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/miracle-could-allow-canonization-of-first-colombian-born-saint/
there's this one which was news in my country.
but you'll keep pretending is not real, is fake or some other BS.
>>8195592
>how it's able to cure disseases
The placebo effect doesn't cure diseases. People receiving placebos have spontaneous remission from their disease.
>>8196379
I said:
>respected medical journal, or any other relevant field of study
catholicnewsagency.com is not this.
>>8196385
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMbkrev0810816#t=article
I've found this.
>inb4 is not a world class journal or some BS
>>8195866
>Links to top 5 article that's clearly biased and full of errors and spelling mistakes
>>8196388
This is a book review, and thereview says nothing about its validity from a medical standpoint.
>>8196402
http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMbkrev0810816
at least try to read the review.
you're literally saying miracles are not real.
this is a book about a historical study on them.
>>8196405
Miracles aren't real. This is still a book review. And this book is a historical study of miracles. This does not confirm the existence of miracles.
>>8196412
what's your definition of miracles, maybe we're using diferent ones.
>>8196414
Something completely unexplainable by science. Some sort of genuine paranormal phenomenon.
>>8196419
sorry, my definition is something that can't be explained by science, not something impossible.
like I said, there may be some explanation to all these miracles, maybe there's some kind way the brain can orchestrate a sudden recovery if it's an infection.
Hell, even shit like the soul could be explained if the mind works as some kind of anthena that receives input from some external field.
>>8196422
>can't be explained by science
>something impossible
Those are synonyms.
>maybe there's some kind way the brain can orchestrate a sudden recovery if it's an infection.
It's called the immune system.
>soul
There is no soul.
If you are going to try to convince me otherwise, the same criteria as miracles are to be met.
>>8196438
something that can't be explained doesn't mean it's impossible goofus.
most of natural shit was unexplained until people started doing science.
the sun was consireded a god back then.
we need to start doing science on /x/ shit, there's some weird shit going on.
Like I said, there may be some kind of spiritual reality where the souls reside, like some kind of ether and the brain is just a signal receiver.
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/man-tiny-brain-lived-normal-life/
there's medical cases where people can live normal lives without critical brain parts.
you seem unable to see there's some weird shit happening, but you keep making excuses as they're not in journals.
>>8196455
>most of natural shit was unexplained until people started doing science.
And then science was done, and was then subsequently explained by science, and thus, not a miracle.
>IFLScience
Regardless, a brain isn't necessary for life. Cells are alive, and they don't have brains. As such, people can still be considered alive whilst missing a proportion of their brain, however mental faculties and motor control may be, and likely are affected (further testament to any lack of a soul).
>>8196469
sorry, but a miracle is something that isn't explained yet by science.
>isn't necesarelly for a brain
those persons seems to have a normal life.
It's clear their minds have no conection with their existance of the physical brain.
So, it seems in those cases, the brain seems to be nothing more that an advanced antena.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/feeling-too-much/201412/children-who-seemingly-remember-past-lives
There's weird shit like this, where kids remember memories from their past lives.
This is impossible according to current understandings.
Like I said, I follow the idea that the mind is separated from the body in some kind of aether.
Hell, it would be possible for the mind to inhabit some toddler body, since toddlers are not concious after some months (mirror test).
>>8196475
>It's clear their minds have no conection with their existance of the physical brain.
Yes, they do. Explain how drugs are able to influence perception, if this isn't the case. We also have every case for consciousness within the brain, and no cases for the contrary.
>kids remember memories from their past lives.
They don't. They are either lying, or are confusing some dream, delusion or something else to that effect with reality. The brain is a feeble thing, and is incredibly easy to fool.
>>8196484
all the documentaries or evidence I show you you keep telling me is not real or fake shit.
>drugs
I dunno, maybe the orders need still to be interpreted by the brain and a fucked brain gives fucked up orders.
I just told you there's humans without a physical brain or critical parts of it.
>they don't
except there are cases where they later seek their past relatives and found them only to find the relatives shock after they start describing what happened to their parents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wvbEQytuQk
It's been shown cases where a simple hypnosis some people are able to remember shit from their past lives.
>>8196494
>all the documentaries or evidence I show you you keep telling me is not real or fake shit.
Because it is.
>I just told you there's humans without a physical brain
No you haven't.
>critical parts of it.
A fully functioning brain isn't necessary for life.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wvbEQytuQk
This isn't scientific.
>It's been shown cases where a simple hypnosis some people are able to remember shit from their past lives.
Hypnosis is suggestion. The brain is easy to fool.
>>8196507
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61127-1/abstract
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/133/3/652
more journal shit.
>but is not real it doesn't exist
>reincarnation shit
http://www.jimbtucker.com/return-to-life.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
>inb4 his research isn't science
>inb4 he's not a real scientist with no real world acreditation in a real world hospital
>hurr durr imma completely rational being
>HERP DERP PLACEBO EFFECT AND MIRACLES CAN'T INTO REALITY BECAUSE MUH PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS ABOUT THE UNIVERSE!
the thread
>>8196520
>more journal shit.
Those are not miracles.
>http://www.jimbtucker.com/return-to-life.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
Thats just single guy. There is high probability of bias.
>>8196520
>http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(07)61127-1/abstract
>http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/133/3/652
I already said this. A brain is not necessary for life.
>http://www.jimbtucker.com/return-to-life.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_B._Tucker
His work, at least in parapsychology, which concerns reincarnation, is not science, because parapsychology isn't science. Jim hasn't even so much as published a single paper regarding the subject. He's a fraud.
>>8196539
>>8196540
I already told you I don't mean impossible things dumbasses, but things that need a better explanation that what we have now.
otherwise people wouldn't call them miracles.
>negate their existance
>shows evidence
>but is not journal shit
>shows journal shit
>but is not a real journal
>shows real researchers
>but they're shit researchers
keep moving the goal post faggots.
your only argument is:
>is not real
why?
>because i said so
What if something is going to clear up anyway
And...
And we pretend some placebo effect caused it?
>>8196542
>I already told you I don't mean impossible things dumbasses, but things that need a better explanation that what we have now.
>otherwise people wouldn't call them miracles.
Actually. People use "Miracle" as " things that are impossible and need some supernatural thing to explain". Like God.
Thats the most common definition of the word.
Miracles are real, if you wanna know. But is there various sources of miracles and there are too 'fake miracles'.
1) The real miracles (divine intervention) are obviously supernatural. They are not recorded, they're are experienced and related by the people who experienced it.
2) The 'recorded' miracles most of time are fake or have some of 'natural' sources as placebos and some anormal biological mechanism.
>>8196542
>things that need a better explanation that what we have now
Are you saying that anything that isn't completely understood by science is a miracle? I guess that means everything is a fucking miracle then. Wahoo.
>keep moving the goal post faggots.
I asked for a paper published in a respected journal from any relevant field of study from the beginning. You have still failed to present anything of the sort, and this has yet to change.
>>8196550
what if God is some giant massive tulpa?
>>8196552
>does science studies the placebo effect?
yes
> what if the placebo effect has deeper shit we don't know.
and?
> I told you I use miracle as not understood by science yet.
There are things not understood by science?!?!?!? Who knew?
Your thread's dumb.
>>8196552
>do science studies the placebo effect?
Yes. Science has extensively studied the placebo effect and confirmed it is just people FEELING better. It never has any actual effect.
>I already gave you the definition I'm using.
Well we can call those events Žulpačeces for all we care. What about it? Whats your point? We know its not placebo effect. We know its not work of some god.
>>8196554
>>8196557
because no respected journal will take any paper about such things seriously because of a bias towards natural philosophy.
I just told you the parapsychologist has some good ideas, like the mind being in some kind of aether or some energy field.
That could explain shit like the soul and reincarnations.
You're literally argueing that shit can't happen, even while miracles still happen.
>>8196558
then It must be something diferent.
>what's about it
that natural philosophy doesn't explain all the /x/ shit.
>>8196560
>because of a bias towards natural philosophy.
No. They don't accept it because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you want to go against established science that already has tons of evidence behind it, then some anecdotes are not enough to convince anyone.
If there was that evidence, any journal would jump on it like it was hotcakes and the person would get a nobel prize.
>>8196560
>That could explain shit like the soul and reincarnations.
You cited "tulpa" from Bhuddism and reincarnations from spiritism/new era spirituality.
Stay away of those obscurity. Atleast don't believe on this.
>>8196562
>that natural philosophy doesn't explain all the /x/ shit.
No. It is not about "natural philosophy". Its about assumption our universe can be explained and that events are reproducible and repeatable. If you have something that is causing X then we need to be able to create environment where we can confidently cause X. If you can't then your hypothesis is wrong and needs to be fixed.
>>8196560
>because no respected journal will take any paper about such things seriously because of a bias towards natural philosophy.
Oh boy here we go.
There is no conspiracy against your pseudoscience. The problem is that your "scientists" are bullshitting and real scientists don't like that.
>>8196564
I'm not a scientists.
look, there must be some logical explanation for all the /x/ shit beyond it doesn't exist.
>>8196566
I don't believe in all that shit.
I simply watch new age shit for shits and giggles.
I still like to think about logical explanations of their weird shit.
>>8196567
look, I'm not a /x/ schizo retard.
I'm simply trying to talk about logical explanations about why /x/ shit happens.
y'all answers has been that miracles don't exist, even while I just told you I mean by miracles things we don't understand yet.
>>8196570
>I don't believe in all that shit.
>I simply watch new age shit for shits and giggles.
>I still like to think about logical explanations of their weird shit.
So did you downloaded the last DJ Esco mixtape "E.T. Project" featuring Drake, Future and Young Thug or you're just mimitizing thug lingo on some troll shit?
>>8196570
>I'm not a scientists.
Being rational, skeptical and logical person has nothing to do with being scientist. You can be cleaning toilets for all I care.
>look, there must be some logical explanation for all the /x/ shit beyond it doesn't exist.
We already told you many possible explanations. Lack of information and bias being most critical ones. Also, why are you assuming there is ONE explanation? What if each case has different explanation?
>I'm simply trying to talk about logical explanations about why /x/ shit happens.
Personal bias and lack of information.
>miracles don't exist
Miracles as in "events that go against all known science" don't exist. It is ONLY YOU who is using miracle as "things that haven't be fully explained and understood". And any respectable scientist will admit there is tons of that. But that it is not reason to believe something supernatural exists.
>>8196573
I like to watch shit like david wilcock videos.
There's some weird shit in them.
y'all simply too agressive instead of giving me some logical explanation about that shit.
I'm not a scientist, just a layman.
Like I said, why those cases where the person is ill with a fatal illness the doctors can't cure and he suddenly get cured after praying.
By simply saying it's not real, it doesn't seem like a good explanation, having into account the catholic church takes it very seriously and they sent a medical team, they're not dumb retards.
>>8196576
>some logical explanation about that shit.
Cognitive bias and lies.
>cases where the person is ill with a fatal illness the doctors can't cure and he suddenly get cured after praying.
There are no genuine examples of this.
>the catholic church takes it very seriously
Catholicism isn't exactly known for its scientific rigour.
>>8196552
We dont know what the placebo effect is caused by, and I subscribe to Occam's Razor, so yea, I think its bullshit.
>>8196595
have scientists written explanations about /x/ shit?
Holy shit. I truly hope this thread is full of trolls... The amount of fucking retardation.
>>8196606
Placebo effect belongs on /x/ then?
>>8195592
The placebo effect is the result of miscommunication, misunderstandings, and exaggeration between scientists, doctors, and their patients.
Most diseases can be cured by remaining healthy and active. Most medicines only subside symptoms until this process occurs on its own. Placebo is remaining confident, through the symptoms, without taking a medicine to avoid them, and being tricked into thinking you took the medicine to avoid them.
Protip: you have tumors all over your body. You will only get told you have cancer, if one of those tumors pushes on something important.
>be doctor
>tell patient "get exercise and eat more greens and less sugar"
>patient takes placebo
>patient gets healthier
WTF PLACEBO EFFECT CURE ALL WHEN? SUGAR PILLS ALL AROUND!
>>8195866
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>>8195592
>can /sci/ explains how the placebo effect works?
If your body believes he's taking something that will make it better, it can make it better.
>how it's able to cure disseases and cause what christians calls miracles?
"How" implies a mechanism, I'm pretty sure we're still lost about that.
