What do?
multi-track drifting
>>8118943
It solves so many problems.
>>8118941
Kill my grandfather, since i am presently making the decision to kill him he must either somehow survive or he has already produced my mother/father
put the man and the lever in a box with a vial of poison and a radioisotope that may or may not decay
what do sci?
>>8118983
Pull the lever of course, some other cunts responsibility then
What do?
Alright, now an actual one
Why the fuck can't the goddamn driver make an executive move??
>>8118993
Ebin
>throw switch halfway
>floating switch points; not tight to rail
>trolley car derails safely
>minor injuries Maybe but no deaths assuming fairly alow trolley speed
T. Railroadfag
What about half way? Pull the lever only far enough to creat a neutral position, and or jamming the tracks in return; sending the trolley to a screeching hault. Further where the hell is this trolley going and with who on it, that it must sacrifice life to reach its destination. Answer this first. Instead of trying to solve hypothetical shit, just remove it entirely. Bam! Situation solved fucker!!!
well?
Half Way!!
>>8119027
It doesn't screech to a halt. It literally 'falls off' the rails and bounces along the ties and ballast.
My question might not be answered
but is there one of these involving the Keit-Ai pasta
>>8118941
top because someone else will invent the trolley.
without your grandfather you're fucked.
>>8119098
but anon anyone is capable of raising a NEET piece of shit
>>8118996
Assuming the predictor is somehow infallible, you pull the lever, but in reality no one is that good so it's a moot point. Also in reality if I accidentally kill people by letting a trolley hit a box that I didn't know for sure had people in it I'll probably get in less trouble than if I deliberately kill someone because of some convoluted excuse about my actions being predicted. Seriously doubt that would hold up in court.
>>8119012
Retard.
>>8119012
It would be more interesting if you put a single person on track B and 5 individuals on track A, explaining that when you pull the lever, you have a 50% chance of it switching to either A or B.
Alternatively, you simply don't know what track it is going to switch to. Do you risk 5 people dying for the sake of one?
>>8119137
Switching to either A or C of course. My bad.
>>8118986
Yeah but you are also responsible for letting a different set of people die, so it's no different to killing the first lot.
>>8119006
Technically 6 people in both universes die no matter what. Do what you feel like doing.
>>8119024
This wouldn't happen on a real trolley. May even end up exploding and killing everybody.
>>8119148
>see a (You), getting excited since I thought someone answered my question
>it's another one of those "gb2 le /a/ u pedo" posts
>>8119056
What is that pasta
>>8118941
>>8119124
>no one is that good so it's a moot point
The Predictor isn't a person, but rather an abstract concept.
Don't try to argue around it. If that's what you want to do, you might as well not fucking reply.
>>8120966
That was implied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs3rRDWQw5w
>>8120966
This puts me in a rather awkward situation, as my grandfather invented both the trolley and the time rift.
>>8119027
>Stop solving all this hypothetical shit
These hypothetical situations are fun to think about. Would you say someone who plays soccer as a hobby is being silly for competing for imaginary points?
>>8118965
If you're gonna make obscure anime jokes that nobody will understand you should make them at /a/ to maximize your chances.
>>8118941
If only there was a way to combine this with the Barnett integrals meme. Then we would truly be living in strange times.
>>8121058
Y u gotta post that gay shit?
>>8119012
Look up the Monty hall problem. It states that you should pull the lever.
>>8120966
> the time rift
> a fucking trolley
isn't it obvious?
>>8118983
leave the lever where it is and go lie down in front of the 5 people, embracing the sweet release of death
>>8121169
>>8118983
Just have every person pull the lever so it never hits a person. If any person lets it kill people, itll be their fault.
>>8121712
> If any person lets it kill people, itll be their fault.
You don't seem to understand the problem.
You can let 5 people die or you can impose a moral dilemma on another person.
And if you do nothing, you aren't responsible for the death of 5 (as you're only a bystander),
but if you do something and the next person does nothing you are directly responsible for the death of the next five.
>Just have every person pull the lever so it never hits a person.
It goes on forever. Someone will let it hit eventually.
As the first person, you could be held partially responsible for an arbitrarily large number of moral dilemmas.
You (the trolley problem bystander) are aware of the nearby fat man problem.
The fat man problem's bystanders are unaware of your nearby trolley problem.
The track switch is old and rusty, so it is slow to adjust. As a long employed switch operator you are familiar with it.
If you wait until the trolley has crossed the bridge you will not be able to pull the switch in time.
Trying to do so will derail the train (even if blocked by the fat man), killing the people on both tracks.
You should make your decision before the fat man problem resolves.
Because the switch is old, it will brake after you turn it.
Whatever decision you make will be know to all survivors from either track.
What do?
>>>8121866 Shit image is shit.
*the trolley is currently headed towards the group of 5, as in a normal trolley problem.
>>8121832
Choosing to delay the choice (and therefore assuming this is the ethical choice) also means holding an infinite amount of people hostage to wait their turn at lever-pulling. An infinite amount of people will never be able to go home, because a trolley travelling at finite speed will never reach them; yet they have to be there to ultimately avoid blood on their hands (because for any individual, the time until the trolley comes is finite).
How much are 5 lives worth?
>>8121866
obviously you switch to the rail with one person, the worst thing that can happen that way is that the life of an overweight man is sacrificed for the life of a normal man, and obviously a fat degenerate is worth less than a normal person.
>>8121898
if it goes at a finite speed then most of the men will starve to death anyway, so you can save five more people if you switch.
>>8121169
>>8121270
>>8121832
Nah that's philosophical bullshit. If you are at the lever, not pulling is as much a choice as pulling. All I'm doing is sending the trolley on a route that is less likely to kill people. Those other fuckers better get real and do the same rather than let their blundering philosophy kill.
>>8122035
What's the dilemma?
>>8121209
Lol no. In the monty hall problem you must pick a door (out of 3).
in this picture you have the choice to switch 1 lever, which then picks a door for you. you also have the choice to not switch the lever at all.
did you even think before you were posting?
>>8121209
In what way does it say that? Switching to track A could kill everyone on earth, and track C could cause nuclear winter. You have 0 way of knowing what they do.
>>8121169
>obscure anime references
>>8122038
if you pull the lever you are a murderer
>>8122228
No you arn't. If you pull the level you have saved 5 lives, than the problem is out of your control and someone else is the dilemma.
>>8122270
yes but by making it someone elses dilemma, you have assured that at least one person who had not been meant to die will die, by making that persons lever operator controller of the choice.
Up /Sci/'s corner
>>8122296
That's trivial as fuck, either way is an unending death train for the rest of the span of the universe, so take the offshoot track to maximize the gore/sec.
>>8122296
The ethical choice would be here to pick the double speed train. Both trains will kill infinite numbers of people. The double speed train will cause less mental agony (fear of death) considering the person notices both trains from the same distance.
>>8122314
At any given point in time, you'd have killed twice as many people with your choice.
>>8122280
In one outcome no one dies, the only way to achieve this is to have every person in the game choose to hit the switch.
If even a single person, including you, choose not to flip the switch there will be at least 5 deaths. That itself is choosing to kill people.
Flipping the switch at least presents the possibility of a zero death outcome, while not flipping it guarantee's several deaths which you will responsible for.
>>8122296
Who the hell designed such a sinister thing? Where did they even get the infinite amount of people?
>>>8122344 Where did they even get the infinite amount of people?
Speaking of which, if we have an infinite number of people does the value of a person go down?
>>8122345
Only if you're utilitarian scum
>>8122345
Where is this infinite track space? Not on earth, that has a finite amount of space? Is there the possibility of rescueing some of these people? If so would we be morally obligated to rescue the infinite amount of people for an infinite amount of time?
Also doesn't the universe eventually end and restart? If it does than a finite number of people die.
Trolly problems truely are the last frontier in all fields.
>>8122296
almost all people lying on those tracks will have died of old age before the train can reach them, in fact, before a photon emitted from the start frame can reach them
finite speed + infinite tracklength + finite lifespan = many deds
>>8122369
You're looking at this problem too narrow-mindedly. It's likely set up so that people are being born tied to the track constantly just in time to grow up and be run over.
>>8121832
if your choice is to do nothing as a bystander, then you're not imposing a moral dilemma on anyone as they can make the same decision.
>>8122296
with an infinite number of people on the track, you would have an infinite gravitational pull going off to infinity to the horizon. and thus you have no choice to pull the lever as you're instantly shot into oblivion at the speed of light
>>8118983
What about this version?
I have no idea what is the physics of transfinite tracks and time. But on the upper track, for any large enough finite time t there are more people whom will die up to the time t and thus those more people will suffer less (it seems to be very horrible to waiting to be smashed). Therefore, definitely upper track.
Do you risk it?
Are you ready to create life?
>>8122519
Holy fuck that's clever.
>>8122532
I don't get it. What's the dilemma?
>>8122559
-1/12
>>8118941
fuck my grandmother, because I'm my own grandpa
>>8122568
Nobody cared who i was until I pulled the lever.
>>8122577
Would it hurt? If I pulled the lever?
>>8118996
Switch it to track 2 then switch it back to track 1
>>8121832
If R represents my responsibility for the moral dilemma and N is the number of persons then
R / RN = My partial responsiblity
If the number of people down the line is infinite and all pull the lever then as N goes to infinity, my responsibility is becomes zero. Therefore I did nothing wrong.
>>8118941
Kill the guy who invented the trolly, it's not exactly complex. Someone else would have invented it.
>>8122632
You're a big guy.
>>8122490
That's a good one. Man up and accept responsibility for the five deaths. Any more than that and it's your fault.
>>8118941
depends on the date
if this is after he invented the trolley, trolley guy
if this is after he passed along his seed, grandfather
...Its already paradoxical that you;d have the option so
Alternatively go to your grandfather's corpse and inseminate your grandmother with his seed
or just tell your grandpa about the design, let him get rich, etc
both carrying larger risk
>>8122729
For you
YOU KILL JOHN CONNOR.
>>8118941
Kill the inventor. If there are tracks in his timeline, it implies the trolley has already been invented.
>>8123015
OP BTFO, guy who invented the trolley is a fake!
>>8122519
best one i've seen of this
>>8122532
Updated version
>>8123545
I really like how he said "create life" because of how absurd it is, and it's like a mad scientist trying to create life by killing an infinite amount of people.
>>8123708
About fucking time. I mean, it is 2016 and they still did not offer a computer science degree?
>>8123723
I think you meant to say nuke there friendo :^)
>>8122628
What if all those people were even more sucidal than you? Can you honestly say that you are the most miserable out of all of them? Learn some humility.
>>8122296
Why does it matter? Both will just create 1/12th of a person.
>>8124023
but that's wrong
Well, /sci/?
>>8124223
I'd save myself over 5 people, let alone myself and 5 people over one person.
If someone else wants to stop it later, they're welcome to.
Regardless, I won't look at it as if it's my problem.
>>8124268
You have the choice between ending it all with 6 deaths (including yours), or with 1+6/1+1+6/1+1+1+6/...
Delaying the final choice makes you potentially responsible for dozens, thousands, millions or even infinitely many deaths. Because you DID have the chance to avoid them, and chose not to. And if you chose to delay, then you'd choose the same when being relayed to, meaning that you value your life as having the value of infinity (saving 5) other lives.
>>8124297 You're welcome to look at it that way.
>>8124297
Well yes, to me my life is more precious than any amount of others' lives.
>>8124223
That's actually almost interesting and worth discussing, please leave the thread
>>8124223
How far can person 1 actually see?
>>8124320
Let's assume all persons have perfect information about the dilemma.
>>8122532
Jokes on you, I don't pull the lever and actually revive a person!
>>8124386
...that IS the joke.
>>8124386
>this is what statisticians actually believe
>>8122562
No brainer, you are even legally endorsed to kill those fuckers to save your hide.
Now what, /sci/?
>>8124579
jesus christ...
>>8124579
topkek
>>8124579
>>8124700
Let all 12 die by making trolley's go on opposite tracks. If the two were to hit, then the world would explode.
>>8119028
Pull the lever! There could be someone tied to the rail after an infinitely long length of tracks.
>>8124700
10/10
>>8124777
That's fucked up
>>8124913 Fine.
Is this better?
>>8124579
>>8124975
>tell other dude about trolleyfags
>convince him we each take responsibility for our trolley
>crash the trolleys into one another on his lane
This is how I would do it anyway, if he goes through with it, I get a free pass outta there, and I got to kill 6 people. If he stabs me in the back and feels how I do about others, then I get considered a good guy in the end.
Win-win.
>>8124579
>>8124997
Holy fuck my sides
A trolley is heading towards two tracks. If it is left alone, it will kill three people. However, if you pull the lever, to reach the people the trolley must first travel half of the distance, but before that quarter of the distance, and before that an eighth and so on; logically, the trolley cannot move. Do you pull the lever?
>>8126297
You got the Paradox of the Turtle and Achilles wrong.
The thing you're trying to reach has to be moving.
>>8126432
it's literally the same. write it down.
>>8126432
No.
>>8126432
It's not the turtle paradox, but Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox.
>>8122296
Assuming the universe exists for a finite time, only a finite number of people will die before the universe ends, so the number of people tied to the track is irrelevant. Since the offshoot track will kill twice as many people because it is going twice as fast, the logical choice is to do nothing.
why do i think the lever guy is the OP and the five tied up people are the people itt
>>8124777
>no, no, you pull it, I won't
>I can hear the people next to me shouting save them
then he pulls AND I pull and I save the trolleys and become an hero, awarded trolley medal of honor postmortem.
>>8126537
assuming that track covered in people goes on to cover the whole population; the answer is obvious
-save my own dick
-the tram has to stop eventually, due to parts wear or pushing too much gore.
-solve over-population
-at least some of the survivors have to be female of breeding age
-repopulate the earth with my superior decision making genetics.
>>8126537
invoke the -1/12 meme
>>8124975
Why did you color it pink? Is that part of the dilemma? Would the people not want to live in such a world?
>>8126537
I wonder what the legal ramifications of this would be.
If you let the train keep going, technically you didn't do anything.
WHO THE FUCK KEEPS TYING PEOPLE ONTO THESE TRACKS
>>8128557
You'll do best not to talk about the trolley-master
>>8122490
There's nothing wrong with letting -1/12 people die.
Hit the guy who invented the trolley. If he gets hit by a trolley and dies, no trolley exists that will kill him from the future, so he actually lives. Either that or we end up in a different timeline. But I can't kill my grandpa.
>>8122519
This one's a bitch. I might have to let the 5 people die. Because the next guy is probably just going to let me die since it's only one person at a time after that.
>>8119005
/lit/ had fun with it that one time
>>8124223
Holy fuck that's a good one
>>8128678
Someone should do a /fit/ one with people doing it wrong, new year style
mi grandpappy is already dead so just kill him again I guess
>>8124223
Would be better without the 5 people thrown in on each track. Make the choice simply whether or not to stop the killing but to do so requires killing self.
>>8128758
>Self killed
>Nobody else dies
>Remembered as hero for saving others
Perfect
Now to make sure nobody finds my porn folder after I die
>>8128771
>not wanting everyone to copy your porn habits as hero worship
>>8128834
This is a tought one, gonna be hard to multidrift with that bend.
>>8124700
That's a game theory problem. It's either 12, 5, or 2 deaths.
>>8128678
>Two leverees mutually decided to kill one of themselves
>or they both die along with 6 others people\
That's a really good one.
>>8128834
Send the trolly at me and put the chain on the rail
>>8128846
You misunderstand the problem,
the chain is just a fancy sort of being tied to the track.
Great comic though.
