Black holes are flat, not round. There is virtually no actual proof that black holes are round.
And why should there be?
Black holes SQUISH everything that comes near them into pancakes and noodles, but yet they themselves are balls?
Black holes should squish themselves into the smallest space possible, which means a flat object not a round one.
I mean its obvious, why can't people just open their eyes and think for themselfs?
>>8074625
>And why should there be?
Because the Schwarzchild metric is spherical.
>>8074625
Literally cancer
>>8074625
Black holes are isotropic.
>>8074638
how. do. you. know.
whats to say they arent flat? why cant they be?
its not like you can just look at one and see its round
this is all theoretical, and so my theory is just as valid
stop dismissing it simply because its not mainstream enough for you to take a risk in believing in it
>>8074625
gr8 b8 m8
>>8074657
You got any math to back that up?
>>8074657
>and so my theory is just as valid
Lol. Solve the EFE's to show that you can have a 2d black hole, otherwise you're just another filthy plebeian with ideas above his station.
>>8074657
your theory is not valid, at all. even slightly.
it's based on complete failures of logic.
whereas the four black hole metrics are based on general relativity, specifically the EFEs, a set of equations in a theory that's been relentlessly tested. there is evidence, lots of it.
>>8074657
>theoretical
Do you know what a fucking theory is? Look it up.
I mean, this is obviously bullshit. But I'll explain for my own sake. Why are planets round and not flat? Because Gravity is pulling equally in all directions. They're not flat, because all outward edges would be pulled back in, until all points are pulled on equally. with a black hole, the point at which Gravity is too strong to allow light to escape, is equilaterally a sphere in all directions. There's nothing saying some points of space should be pulled on harder than others, like it would if it's flat. Plus, black holes are observable. There's a fucking massive one right at the center of our galaxy, and nearly all other observable galaxies. just kill yourself OP. Why keep going, when life consists of going on an Internet forum and trying to type bullshit for what? Strangers thinking you're stupid? good fucking job.
TL;DR kill yourself
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>>8074625
Black holes are roughly symmetric you plebian. Spinning black holes are oblate. Really obvious.
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>>8074691
This is clearly bait. Nobody is willingly this stupid.
Secondly, you didn't make a "Theory", you have a hypothesis. If you want your hypothesis to become a theory, do some experimentation, or show us a mathematical proof/model that shows us that you are correct. After peer-reveiw and you most likely receiving a Nobel Prize will your hypothesis become Anon's Theory of Flat Holes.
I am asking you to do that "fancy scribbling" you seem so annoyed with to shut us up. The difference between Einstein's scribbling and yours, is that his actually follows math, while you will write down a ton of incoherent symbols to try to prove a point.
Please post your proof. I await with bated breath.
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> now there are flatholers like flat earthers wasn't enough
>>8075399
>sees bait
>calls it stupid to go for bait
>goes for bait
Mate, leave the /his/ fag alone in this miserable justifying
>>8074625
Theres No proof of blackholes even existing
>>8074657
>this is all theoretical, and so my theory is just as valid
I think black holes are shaped like a pissing gnome.
What's to say it can't be, all theoretical, just as valid, etc.
>>8074670
This desu
>>8076032
Explain the x-ray emissions from Cygnus X-1 and the gravitational waves detected by LIGO.
>le faulty measurements meme
If I remember correctly it's..
R=2mg/c2
Am I right?
Please fucking tell me I'm right.
>>8076075
c^2*
black holes arent flat or round you incomparably retarded inbred
a black hole is an object which occupies zero space. thats the point, heavier than even degenerate forces can withstand & therefore compressed into a pointlike object
its event horizon, which is the visible manifestation of our object, is round, due to its symmetrical gravitational pull, ajd enlarges as the singularity pulls in mass
its accretion disk is usually a disk
your question is similar to my asking, why CANT the vacuum of space be the color mauve? because its not fucking there you renaissance of genetic failure, thats why, youre asking the wrong question
>why cant a pointlike singularity be a pancake you guys are so mean
eat a dick
>>8075414
The moon landing was real, but the moon is flat
>>8077182
The moon isn't real, but people landed on it.
>>8077196
Landing isn't real, but moon people
>>8077203
The moon isn't landing, but the people are real.
>they're among us
>>8077207
The moon isn't landing
it's crashing
>>8077181
>pointlike
>similar to a point but not a point
so it could in fact still be flat, even if very small?
>>8077209
>the moon landings were real
>and they pissed it off
>>8077221
People aren't real, but the land is mooning us
black hole cant be flat because they dont exist
>>8074625
>Black holes should squish themselves into the smallest space possible
>what's the isoperimetric inequality?
>>8077226
The moon people are really landing, but
>>8077240
The people landing are really mooning. Butt.
>>8074840
I chuckle thinking of the person who first wrote this. A legitimate BA would have a migraine trying to write so deliberately poorly.
so you just naturally assume all black holes .. simply face the earth with their broad side?
smarten the fuk up.
>>8077306
there are trillions of black holes in the universe
we can only see a handful from earth
statistically it isnt impossible that all the black holes we have seen to date arent just facing us
i mean if we zoom in with better technology, we might find they arent facing us exactly
but from the current pictures of black holes, yes they could be flat
>pic related, this one is facing right at us as can be seen by the way it looks
get a bunch of round magnets and throw them together and see what shape they form
>>8077340
there isnt anything to miss you idiot, what part of 'a fucking singularity' is failing to penetrate your ivory skull
the event horizon is a ball, the black hole that generates it is a point of zero size
seriously are you fifteen i remember being both this adamant & stupid for several years around that age
>>8077441
>zero size
>zero depth
SOUNDS FLAT TO ME
>>8077444
flat disk = two dimensions, three in our universe
singularity = none
>>8077446
manifolds
>>8077451
dragonfruit
see i can do it too youre an idiot
>>8077441
it isn't zero niggerbitch it's 'near-zero'
>>8077454
look, a plane is flat
but a plane is normally talked about in higher dimensional contexts, e.g. a 2d plane in 3d space
flat implies something 3d that is "practically 2d" (or less), in some sense
manifold is often used to refer to objects embedded in higher dimensional contexts, e.g. a circle is a 1d manifold because a circle can simplify be defined: x=cos(t), y=-sin(t) - with 1 variable. A circle has a dimensionality of 1 (like all lines) but is embedded in 2+ dimensions.
A 0d point in 3d space is flat
>>8077461
practically 2d normally means that it's got very low depth, but depending on the shape it might mean otherwise
>>8077461
>0d
Imbecile.
sounds like a flat black hole is possible
and anyways if black holes werent flat, why would there be jets coming out of them on exactly both sides of the black hole?
if it was round then the matter would stream everywhere
but they come out exactly on opposite sides
sounds flat to me
did you ever watch flatland? I think you should. you seem to be having trouble imagining that everything isnt as 3D as it actually is
theres nothing wrong with flat things
>ITT: one big reddit circle jerk
/sci/ was a mistake
>>8078648
the jets of matter expelled from a quasar are directed by its magnetic field. you seem to have trouble imagining how stupid you sound.
>>8078703
exucse me? my opinion is just as valid as anyone elses
did you forget theories is just assumptions? who are you to tell me im wrong?
you tell me to do the math, but have you done it either? no? whats that? you just repeat what youve been told and cant think for yourself?
oh ok then >_>
>>8079624
for one, i can spell excuse
(if youre as incredibly useless as youve led me to believe, nows when youll respond by suggesting that my suggestion that your response is invalidated by a single spelling error is invalid. dont rush, you might hurt something)
my dick is bigger than yours, too.
also, you bring up an interesting point about opinions. youre right, yours is just as valid as mine, if you believe that all people are created equal. however, we are not. you are inferior to a great many people. i am as well, but im a sight better than you.
im going to go out on a limb here & suggest that youre either a kid or a joker. the first means im guaranteed to have a much higher level of self esteem than you. the second means youre so terrible at finding ways to entertain yourself that you do it here, & i would then have an INSANELY high level of self worth compared to you.
either way, shut off the computer, go outside, & play with some sticks. santa isnt real, soda makes you fat, & black holes arent shaped like gods dinner plates.
>>8079691
>nows
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whose bad at spelling again? nice ad hominems and black kettles and pots but you cant insult my valid arguements away.
sorry it's just not that easy
>>8079698
Not him, but 'yours' and 'insanely' are both spelled correctly.
>>8079698
Yes it is.
Oh dear, without any proof and while working solely with our opinions, it looks as though we've got a tie. How about you go find something to break it, like, oh I don't know, a single piece of evidence or any applied mathematics whatsoever?
Tell you what. Go locate the nearest STD-riddled addict hobo that ISN'T your blood relative, & if you can manage to take a picture of them signing off on their agreement with you on this without them biting off your ear, I'll concede. No contest. All you need is someone else agreeing with you on this idiocy, & I'm out for the count. ONE other human being who doesn't think you're a blithering inbred without the slightest understanding of the world around you, & you WIN. I triple-dog-dare you.
>insanely
>>8079718
lots of people in this thread already agreed with me.
proof of burden more?
its not on me its on you.
>>8079723
No.
Blackholes cannot be a certain shape because objects with a shape occupy a certain area. Blackholes are the absence of space therefore their shape is not definitive.
>>8079624
>did you forget theories is just assumptions?
Not him, but that's completely wrong.
You don't belong here if you don't already understand how horribly wrong this is.
In layman's English, an theory is a vague idea that barely explains something, and is accepted by at least one person, mostly because it serves some emotional need to believe something in particular.
By contrast, a /sci/entific theory is a well-reasoned idea that's widely accepted by the scientific community because it's been thoroughly tested, AND it fits well with other scientific knowledge.
>>8079736
hmm, i dont think thats right
>>8079741
Why dont you try enveloping yourself into a blackhole and then analyzing its shape. Once you have done so then I can accept the idea of a blackhole having a definitive shape.
>>8079744
well just have to agree and disagree on this one and one day when its proven they are flat or have no shape we will remember back to this moment and give a private nod to the victor
>>8079750
we may have different theories on the shape of a black hole but i dont remember ever insulting you because of it
in the eyes of time and space we are all equal and everything we say and do positively contributes to the advancement of humanity
Be well
>>8079758
dude im not insulting you im saying stop wasting your time
you fucking bitchtit muckraker fatshit
you too
[eqn] F = \frac{GMm}{R^2} [/eqn]
Gravity falls of as the inverse square of distance in all directions, i.e. as a sphere.
Black holes are therefore spherical, because the 'black hole' part is really the event horizon which is just the point at which spacetime's curvature is more than even an object travelling at the speed of light can overcome. It obviously has to be the same distance in all directions from the singularity (the actual point-like mass believed to be at the centre), so it obviously forms a sphere (spinning black holes notwithstanding, as they cause it to become a slightly oblate spheroid).
Black holes are formed when a big enough star dies. Stars are round, so black holes should also be round. Any other opinion is wrong...
>>8076064
Probably some alien civilization using something abnormal.
