What to do, /sci/?
Karate kick the the trolley off the track
>>8069205
you cannot change choose since there's only one node in the image
change uper track after the fronteheels drive on this track switch to the lower trach
>>8069205
Depends on how the revealed door was selected. If a door for with five people will always be revealed then switch. If a random for is revealed and it happened to have five behind it, it doesn't matter.
I need more of these
>>8069205
Never change
You only open yourself up to legal complications if you take action
>>8069205
That is not my problem. It looks like you are a mentally insane individual.
>>8069282
This. Just run away as fast as you can.
watch
Why would it be any different? You switch.
>>8069254
Eurobeat plays quietly in the background.
>>8069205
They should teach your convoluted version at Harvard Law School
https://youtu.be/TSH-m5GtrzE
>>8069205
look the other way and mind your own fucking business.
If I had to remember one thing my parents taught me, it's this.
>>8069205
What will really blow your mind is that the train actually passes through all three slits and it's wave function interferes with itself. So 1/3 of each group actually die and we can verify this by the interference pattern of the smashed train on the wall beyond the slits.
What about this, /sci/?
"A trolley goes into a Trolley Divisor (TD1), which has 50% of chance to transmit the trolley and 50% of chance of reflecting it, so it has 50% of chance of going each path. In each path, there is a mirror (M1 or M2) which reflects the trolley, adding a phase of π/2 to the trolley. If you do nothing, it has a 50/50 chance of killing 5 people or 1 person. If you pull the lever, you add a second Trolley Divisor in the system. If the trolley is a wave, it has 100% of chance of running over 1 person because of the phase added to the trolley wave. But if the trolley is a particle, you now have a 50/50 chance of being responsible for the death of 1 or 5 people. Is there a trolley particle/wave duality? Would you bet on it? Would you pull the lever?"
>>8069205
Let the trolley speed up a lot, it will diffract through the three slits and the people will be unharmed. Make sure you close your eyes though
>>8069806
Logically the train went through only one slit and yet there is blood on all three tracks. It is impossible to tell which slit is the source of this brutality.
>>8069837
ez, how much photon in the room, clearly interference solidifying particle-like behavior through classical limit
>>8069205
the train goes through all three paths and the blood forms an interference pattern.
I throw my self under the train in the hopes my flabby ass will stop it.
Then I take out my wizard sword and murmur the Argnaak The Terrible Fire Spell.
If all else fails, I'd use my lightning quick and super powerful kung fu, but only as a last resort because this plane of existence can't stand the force of my hurticane.
You forgot the chance for damage negation with each body run through by the train.
>>8069205
Choose the opened door, you already know the way to kill 5 people, why take the risk of killing only one?
>>8069926
Thank you. Considering how many times the Monty Hall problem has been posted on /sci/ I'm surprised it took this long.
>>8069837
>>8069926
>>8069205
>>8069254
land it on a bunch of guys or pull the lever on and land it on single person on a moving platform on sea ?
well /sci/?
do you pull the switch?
STOP STEALING OUT MEMES /SCI/
sincerely /lit/
>>8070285
THE JOOJS
>>8070281
Would totally do a "trips decide" thread on /b/
There are two trolleys on the critical strip of the riemann zeta function
they are fat, and will hit anything that does not lie on the critical line
there are infinitely many people standing on the non-trivial zeroes of the zeta function
there's no switch to pull or anything
what do you do?
>>8069282
That's because taking action is murder, and not taking action is not.
>>8070303
>Negligence is not an action
topkek
that's like saying banning guns kills people because <n (where n = amount of gun deaths) will die from additional non-gun related deaths
Fuck it's been a while since I had a good laugh on /sci/.
>>8070404
for you....
>>8070020
....so gay jesus
>>8070422
> all-star
> not the best song
change ur meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQj--Kjn0z8
>>8070422
pull the lever and hope it plays evangelion
>>8070432
and what exactly is wrong with gay jesus, pray tell?
dude was sassy with the pharisees and held one hell of a banquet.
why you have a problem with gay jesus?
>>8069205
dump?
This isn't even a trolley problem it's just the fucking goats again why can we never drop the fucking goats for christ sake just switch like you would with the goats.
FUCK.
You should be able to solve this.
>>8070477
Yea
>>8070544
>>8070477
yes, please
>>8070546
>>8070549
>>8070477
yes please
>>8070544
Fucking kek
>>8070552
>>8070556
>>8070557
>>8070559
last one for now, gonna watch game of thrones
Jesus fucking christ you people are still talking about this?
more?
>>8070544
lol
>>8070556
I would pull my fucking lever immediately
>>8070561
Push the fat man onto the track. Fuck the commies. Greedy owners and morally bankrupt workers are the foundation of a functional capitalist society.
for those not in the know, you should always switch? Why? the answer is simple probability. Suppose you pick the correct gate the first time then the announcer reveals an incorrect one and you dont need to switch. Now suppose you pick the incorrect gate, then when the announcer reveals the other incorrect gate you switch knowing that the final gate will be the correct one. Now the probability of choosing the correct gate is 1/3, so without even knowing if the gate is correct or not we can say that there is a 2/3s chance of getting the incorrect gate meaning that you should always switch.
>>8069926
pull all 3
>>8070631
It depends. What is my "moral best interest"? I think if anyone saw a man at a lever with a bunch of tied down people on train tracks, onlookers would naturally assume he tied them up.
In that case, I have tied those people down for a reason, and they deserve to die. My sad countenance must result from the fact that I forgot which track has only 1 person on it. Normally I would switch to the track revealed to have 5 people tied to it, but the problem only allows me to switch to the other unknown path I did not pick. In which case, I do not switch, in order to maximize my odds of killing 5 evildoers over 1.
>>8069265
>Depends on how the revealed door was selected. If a door for with five people will always be revealed then switch. If a random for is revealed and it happened to have five behind it, it doesn't matter.
This nigger right here.
Addendum though: If we don't know the algorithm, it is effectively random but I would switch anyway on the off-chance that somebody deliberately implemented the Monty Hall door opening algorithm.
>>8070422
Trolley Problem: American Election Edition.
>>8070594
This analysis is wrong. You get the right probabilities out ( Switch to change from 1:2 to 2:1 ) but your analysis of why it happens is wrong.
What would happen if a trolley made of fire collided with 5 people made of ice?
>>8069926
Change to the one you know is fake :^)
What do you do?
>>8070422
SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME
>>8070544
lost
>>8071080
Because both tracks of people are in an ordered line, they're both countably infinite. They're the same
>>8069265
thats true but cant we keep going?
it should be possible to consider the probability for both methods of choosing the door thats opened and include it in the solution
the E(5guysdoor) = 1
vs
E(5guysdoor) =2/3 when a random door is opened.
So i would say there is a 1/(1+2/3) chance for the door being actively selectef and a 2/3/(1+2/3) chance for a random door being opened.
But Im really not sure if I know that stuff well enough
>>8071118
>Because both tracks of people are in an ordered line, they're both countably infinite. They're the same
>the same
That implies the trolley will keep going. It might get derailed or, in the final instance, the sun blows up and cleanses the earth.
Meaning that at any real time t, the number of Killed people K(t) is higher for one track than the other.
>>8071118
The "slow" track has as many people as the reals. There are sets with this cardinality which look locally like the naturals.
You people need to learn how The Creators will works.
You're supposed to pray, obviously.
Whatever happens is his will.
THAT is morality.
>>8069254
that will cause the train to derail and kill the people behind all three doors
>>8069282
good samaritan laws protect you in that case
>>8071118
But the rate of death per second is different
>>8069205
Don't switch.
This way you have a better chance of hitting more people.
>>8071409
last one 4 now
>>8071274
Yes, and?
>>8071413
Assuming the button detonates the nuke, that's the morally best situation (issues + 100 kids is less than Sidney or wherever the fuck that is). If it launches the nuke, neither is better and you're fucked either way.
>>8069205
>What to do, /sci/?
laugh at feeble, poorly worded attempt at re-invigorating the Monty Hall Problem discussions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
>>8071405
Let the trolley through on track B. Even better if track B includes everybody in the world over 90 years old. I've had enough of those old fucks being allowed to drive. The innocent baby on A at least has a chance to learn how to drive well.
>>8070556
I pull my lever right away. I guess it will come down to whoever has the quickest reflex.
>>8069205
You pull the lever, you murder at least one person.
You don't do anything, you haven't killed anyone, you are free to go.
>>8071485
>being on /sci/ and not knowing everyone here can recognize an MHP on sight
>>8071274
>implying this isn't my goal
Science
>>8071661
>>8071278
good samaritan laws don't do jack shit. a decent lawyer will find a way to prove that you acted in negligence despite your intention to help
>>8070309
Negligence would only apply if you were trained to pull the lever to save people.
>>8071795
A good lawyer could also prove that through taking no action you acted with criminal negligence as well. Fuck, a good lawyer can prove just about anything if they go unopposed and they judge takes everything they're saying as the gospel.
Legally, you're fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't. There are precedents that go both ways and in that case you should really do whatever you want to do in that situation because either way you've still got a good chance of going to prison for it. The only instance where you're not gonna get tangled up in legal bullshit in this scenario is if you're one of the fuckers on the track.
>>8071809
what a time to be alive, mark
>>8069205
I fucking love these things to be honest.
>>8071594
>That's independent of ZFC(+large cardinals) you piece of shit.
Source?
>>8071813
it's been like that whenever we've had "fair" courts, even in Roman times.
At least it's harder to bribe judges nowadays.
>>8071949
>it's harder to bribe judges nowadays
Whatever you say...
Pick a track 1
Let the trolley go
Call it back
Pick track 2
kill all
>>8071959
>leave no survivors
>leave no witnesses
>>8071939
Honestly if you haven't even heard of the continuum hypothesis you should refrain from posting anything about mathematics, let alone about ordinals.
>>8071274
Or perhaps the wall will stop the trolley, kill those onboard.
Requesting an NP-hard trolley problem. IE show you can make logic gates. or better make a trolley problem that is a turing machine requiring the halting problem to be solved
>>8071080
The trolley is moving at a finite speed, so at any point in time more people would have been killed on the right track than the left track.
>>8071968
So you don't have a proof that the existence of a totally ordered set of the same cardinality as the reals which looks locally like the naturals is independent of ZFC(+large cardinals)?
>>8072045
No, but you can't have a proof (from ZFC(+large cardinals)) that 'The "slow" track has as many people as the reals.'
>>8071400
I lel'd
>>8071500
(you) all have the same reflexes. You'd all die
>>8070562
I don't know why I always come back to these threads. I used to send some of these pics to a friend and eventually they asked why the hell I'm so into these.
>>8069205
Listen to me. Those are people I don't fucking know. I don't care who dies. I'm probably a psychopath.
>>8071809
>A good lawyer could also prove that through taking no action you acted with criminal negligence as well
only in fascist countries like germany
>>8073408
>this image
Every time.
>>8072039
>The trolley is moving at a finite speed
that's an assumption dear friend
>Pick a track
>Get informed that one of the tracks that I didn't pick has 5 people on it
>Switch to that track
>>8075055
>>8075055
best.
>>8073408
>>8071661
what happens if you do multi track drifting
>>8077214
I push and hope for the other guys being channers, in the best case scenario 8 people die
>>8077214
You don't pull for only 1/5 senearios there is a less dead count
R5 = 5 dead
R1 + Y5 = 6 dead
R1 + Y1 + G5 = 7 dead
R1 + Y1 + G1 + B5 = 8 dead
R1 +Y1 + G1 + B1 = 4 dead
Without knowing them it is better overall to kill the first five
>>8070287
No I wouldn't want to get somebody killed
>>8070552
Not my fault if the predictor is a shit, the blood is on the predictor and it's creators hands so fuck that
I mean really what asshole would even set something like that up? I cant take moral responsibility for shit there, I'm only human ffs
>>8070546
extremely underrated
