You have 5 seconds to prove to me why anyone should ever bother learning, understanding and memorizing all the complex functions, rules and ideas behind this decrepit, inane, obsolete study of chemistry
it allows you to literally play with nature. You can make drugs, explosives, medicines, materials, etc...
>>8052494
Sounds like you've already judged it before learning anything about it. Typical brainlet.
>>8052494
because mathematicians don't have sweet labs and some people think physicists messing with lasers is outright boring.
My senior research was on organic chemistry; think about how frustrating it is to try to create something from a simpler chemical, then walking down to the NMR downstairs and BOOM you find out (by literally solving a puzzle of data) that you've successfully synthesized your product. As hard as it was, it was the most challenging and rewarding experience of my life.
>>8052510
not that I don't respect mathematicians and physicists, their work makes organic synthesis possible. Otherwise you'd have some pretty archaic methods of figuring out what the fuck you've made. Without infrared spectroscopy, mass spec, NMR spec, we'd have to rely on good guesswork, melting point, specific gravity etc.
>>8052494
You could say the same thing of any discipline. Why bother learning anything?
>>8052494
You'd probably be dead without the medicine that was developed using this branch of science.
Also it's not completely obsolete, it's still used all the time.
I like the smell of organic compounds
(I feel I'm gonna die like this)
>>8052547
I'll dovetail on this: you also wouldn't have a significant number of materials used on a daily basis (polymers), enjoy a lot of the food you consume (flavorings), smell as good (shampoos and perfumes), or be able to clean your clothes (soaps and detergents).
The drugs that are the reason you are living today.
Fuckin retard
Also
>memorizing
DELETE THIS MEME
>>8052559
same lad
methy ethyl ketone smells like butterscotch and ethyl acetate smells divine too
>>8052787
I like the smell of chloroform, pretty sure I'm fucked.
>>8052494
>t. salty premed
>>8052655
do you write out the whole mechanism for a reaction scheme on a test and derive all the reactions, you fucking aspie? no, you don't. you memorise them.
oh wait, you can't even do that for organometallic reagent formation, since the mechanisms aren't fully understood, so you HAVE TO memorise them
ochem being all memorisation is a meme, but it not having memorisation, or having less memorisation than math or physics, is a meme, and I say this as a 98th percentile on the ACS final, with an A+ in both semesters of ochem
desu i admire chemists, especially organic chemists
I tried to get into it in college and genuinely found it fascinating. Loved synthesising stuff. Never had the sort of mind for it though - I can't memorise a million edge cases.
OrgChem aren't brainlets, they're just autistic, and thank god for them desu
>>8053149
Enough with the "desu" shit. Good grief. I doubt any of you actually even speak Japanese.
>>8053576
Baka, desu, senpai.
>>8053576
Is this a meme? Not knowing that there are world filters on 4chan?
Or are you actually a retarded-beyond-belief newfag that posts without knowing jack shit?
>>8052523
Ah yes...good ol fashioned wet chemistry
>>8052787
Good lord i love doing TLCs because i get to smell sweet sweet hexane/ethyl acetate mixes. Dont even get me started on ether
>>8052510
>Not being a mathematician AND a chemist.
Geez, anon
>>8053666
>tfw international society for mathematical chemistry has like 100 members
>tfw chemists hate math
Get back to me when the best resources on chemical graph theory and chemical algebra are from this century.
>>8052494
Because carbon is a cool element.
>>8053680
That hurt my feelings, anon.
I wish more people were interested in modeling chemical and biological processes.
>>8053686
I prefer iron
>>8053696
Why do you like Iron so much?
>inb4 muh cell respiration
>inb4 muh ferromagnetic alloys
>inb4 muh sandwich compounds
>inb4 muh d-electrons
As a MD/PhD student I see it as;
if I don't understand this shit I'm as dumb as my peers in college
if I can't do it in the lab I'm as useless as a doctor
If you actually understand the chemistry it has all sorts of applications outside of the Orgchem class you take in undergraduate(biochemistry/Polymers/enviromental and so on)
>>8053703
I like the phase diagram.
And it gets even better with a lil carbon.
Tin also has cool phases, but is less useful
>>8053593
I'm a "newfag" who actually speaks Japanese, and finds it so fucking annoying that I have to read all of you fat morons posting "desu" all the time like you're cutesy fucking anime characters in a shit-tier anime.
>>8053776
T.b.h. (Without .) wordfilters to desu
Tbh desu DESU
>>8052999
>memorisation memorisation memorisation memorisation
Its called learning the discipline, pls shut the fuck up
>>8054282
I don't learn things that have a half-baked reason behind them. I memorize them.
>>8052494
Inorganic >>>> Organic
>he has to memorize
>>8052999
>oh wait, you can't even do that for organometallic reagent formation, since the mechanisms aren't fully understood, so you HAVE TO memorise them
No you fucking don't. As an organometallic/inorganic chemist, you learn a few concepts and then apply them and about 95% of the time your intuition is correct. Memorization is fucking dumb and only people that don't have a grasp on the foundations of chemistry do that.
>>8052494
>I failed Organic Chemistry 1 and I need justification: the post
>>8052494
Are you computer scientist?
>>8053776
P-please don't be mad senpai
How come a computer engineering major has to take Chemistry 101?
>barely study
>three test in and have an average of 85%
>fourth test I am not taking since the lowest gets dropped
>only need 80 points out of 200 to pass the class
>will half ass it and take whatever grade because I don't care
>majority of points that I lose is due to not memorizing key terms
>memorizing to get a good grade
I only need Chemistry 101 to fulfill a requirement, but I hope that further chemistry classes have less memorization.
>>8053776
Lol such a salty bitch
You know there's a global filter right?
making meth, morphine and heroin
>>8054870
>but I hope that further chemistry classes have less memorization.
top fucking kek. Good luck with that.
>>8053776
What a nigger cuck desu
>>8055007
A global filter doesn't change the fact that you degenerate weeaboos exist.
Hello. I did not want to make a new thread for a seemingly silly question, but I hope that you guys are able to help me with this.
I am looking for a PDF file of the textbook Organic Chemistry: Principles and Mechanisms by Joel Karty. I have tried searching for it on Google and various torrent trackers, but the searches were not successful.
If anybody could find this book for me, I'd really appreciate it.
>>8053776
kek stop being so sour desu global filters are life
>tfw just got an A in Organic Chemistry 2 at Florida State
>tfw all I heard of all year was how that was the class that broke every biology major, it was everyone's first "bad grade" etc
>tfw the median and average grade for every exam including the final was an F that semester
>tfw not even premed, just a plain biology major
>tfw all these premed majors suddenly discovering their passion for exercise science and psychology
Feels pretty fucking good.
>>8054765
that's called memorizing
it's not even that hard, nigger
>>8056460
Then everything is fucking memorizing you moron. Oh I learned how to tighten a screw on a table, I'm gonna apply that to tightening a screw on this chair. I can do it because I've memorized how to tighten a screw.
>>8055605
>thinking that just because a filter changes some words everyone is a weaboo
>on a Singaporean cross stitching forum
Please kill yourself
>>8055624
>Karty
I have a low res but readable, usable version of Karty.
https://mega.nz/#!TscEEa4J!oy_02VEuhwzYb026k5taqf_N8h2la3MIyb4u7bHBxso
>>8052510
This. An undergraduate course is pretty easy, you only have to read chewed results, but when you enter in investigation that shit gets hard.
>>8055605
Nobody is choosing to type the phrase "desu." It is involuntarily put in posts in place of t.b.h.
>>8052999
>do you write out the whole mechanism for a reaction scheme on a test and derive all the reactions,
yes
is it done differently in amerilardia?
>>8052494
Looks like somebody just got their final orgo mark. Got my orgo 1 grade yesterday, A+ and barely studied
>>8056727
bump for the guy who wants the textbook
>>8053776
desu senpai is really mad
I'm not going to be getting my bachelors until 23, is there a point? I will likely be double majoring with math to compensate though.
>>8057062
and will I ever get to go to grad school with multiple Fs on my transcript, even if I retook them and end up with a 3.5+ GPA and solid research experience?
>>8056776
Only if you're a premed.
>>8057226
Nah, its totallty possible for him to get into some grad program. Double majors usually get tons more leeway, depending on how well they play it up. He'd probably have to get a master's first though if he wanted a doctorate from a worthwhile school. Also depends on his relationship with his research advisor and their connections.
Sup /sci/.
I want to learn organic chemistry myself.
What book can I buy and literally self-teach myself the principles and getting me started?
>>8052494
How's your med degree going, huh ?
>>8052494
Sounds like you're a salty premed that failed his class.
Granted, undergrad Ochem is nothing but stamp-collecting and memorizing, but it's still easy as fuck. Pchem and Inorganic Chem were much more fun as a ChemE.
>>8053655
>Dont even get me started on ether
Don't even get me started on vanillin/anisaldehyde stains, that shit starts baking and it smells so right
>>8057711
Just google "best organic chemistry text", and go download it off lib-gen, dude.
>>8057745
I just finished Pchem, and literally spent half the class thinking "So THAT'S why that fucking happens", and all of the shit I've known from general chemistry came together, and made a lot of physical sense. It was a really great class imo.
>>8052495
Almost all of the fun stuff you can make with chemistry is illegal, and pretty hard with out a decent lab
>>8052999
What shit school do you go to that doesn't make you answer mechanistic problems in ochem?
>>8057062
Find a different field. As a graduating senior, you have been warned
>>8057284
thanks senpai
>>8057903
>graduating senior
I said 23, not 70, retard
O-Chem is so fucking stupid.
"Here's this rule that applies to chemical compounds, except for chemical compounds X, Y, Z. Now remember these 50 different rules with all their different exceptions."
It's not even science, it's just fucking rote memorization. Shit is retarded.
>>8057855
Get a job in a decent lab then, dip shit. You sure are fuckin stupid.
>>8052999
>and I say this as a 98th percentile on the ACS final, with an A+ in both semesters of ochem
Wew lad.
>>8057097
I got if from a kid taking chem112A at Cal.
Evidently his access to the PDF is legit, it came with the paper copy he bought.
