Chernobyl 30 years. Discuss.
The radiation levels in the worst-hit areas of the reactor building have been estimated to be 5.6 roentgens per second (R/s), equivalent to more than 20,000 roentgens per hour. A lethal dose is around 500 roentgens (~5 Gy) over 5 hours, so in some areas, unprotected workers received fatal doses in less than a minute.
>>8046539
I'd rather we discuss the much more interesting biological effects of Chernobyl. Higher percentages of birth defects in the area for example. Panic over the effects of the spread of radiation. Also, dank radiation-powered fungi growing in the walls of the reactor ruins. Cool stuff.
>>8046570
Radiotrophic fungus is some cool shit actually. Imagine space travel using that stuff as one of your food sources.
they say the thing blew up because of a test run that had gone wrong, but the truth is they that they were drunk with vodka
>>8047901
While correct, what does this post have to do with the posts you replied to?
>>8047901
Source on this? I remember reading it to be the opposite from my intro to health physics textbook. Since the organisms reproduce more quickly genetic defects caused by radiation damage would spread more rapidly from generation to generation,
>>8046539
i must post mortally "thank" its operators for retarding development of nuclear power by at least 20 years.
and making it unfeasible by requiring paranoid security measures
>>8047917
I'd place money on both. Honestly the only way anyone could have thought that test was a good idea was if they were shitfaced drunk.
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This applies for Chernobyl, Fukushima, and any future nuclear power plant.
Melted down reactors need to have a safe way of being removed. Since you can't get people or robotics near the horribly radioactive core.
So they could put huge shipyard type cranes at power plant sites. Then play the world's largest crane game. Rip everything out and then pluck the core out. Move the crane down its rails and drop the core in a deep deep deep hole. Which you then fill with cement; or place the core in a shielded container to move it by train or ship to a permanent storage site.
>>8048112
Thats a yyuuuuggggeeeeee carne
>>8048130
It has a smaller second crane on it, over on the left side. Even that crane is pretty big.
>>8047901
The Radiotrophic fungi didn't become that way do to Chernobyl. It was already like that. The melanin all fungi and even humans contain turns radiation into biologically useful energy. It is actually pretty neat, but probably 99.999% useless for the human body. However, growing fungi using radiation as their food source means you can have an endless supply of edible fungi for human consumption.
>>8048112
Can't a melted core be recycled? you can use the crane to drop a wedge on it to cut it up into smaller and smaller pieces until the core parts are strewn enough to be normally manageable.
I think it they can make a crane to get the core out that would be cool
Then what would you do with a core?
>>8047934
Wait, is human melanin radiotrophic?
>>8048112
Sounds like that'd require having a deep, deep hole next to every power plant to begin with.
In which case, why not just put the reactor down there to begin with, and simply bury it if it melts down?
>>8048112
>>8048694
>>8048726
>>8048914
instead, why dont we just use already existing technologies to build reactors where meltdowns are nearly impossible, waste is almost non-existent, and fuel sources are cheap?
oh wait, because we let people who have no fucking clue what they're doing make energy policy...
>>8048939
people making energy policy think oil is only about energy for transportation.
they fail to consider that pretty much everything is made from oil these days.We would all starve if we didn't have petrochemcial based fertilizers and pest/herb-icides
Which makes Comrade Sanders and Shillary's stance on fracking really dangerous.
>>8048688
Sorry if stupid question, but how exactly does the fungus turn radiation into more biomass?
>>8046539
Proof (along with Fukushima) that we need to decommission all nuclear power plants all over the world, they just pose too much of a safety hazard especially when truly clean and safe sources such as wind and solar exist
>>8048990
>Wind and solar
Have fun using electricity on a cold windless night.
>>8047901
Wrong
Spiders specifically within the zone are now building fucked up webs which are less effective at catching prey, and these are many many generations down the line from the original accident 30 years ago
The most interesting thing that happened in the zone is a species of bird has evolved to produce anti oxidants that protect them from living in such a radioactive place
This is two examples of short lived animals' evolution being affected by the radioactive environment
A third is the catfish living in the Chernobyl cooling lake and while catfish can live a long time and therefore don't fall into your categorization, catfish in the lake are roughly 1/3rd the size that they should be for their age
The radioactivity has driven evolution there with some species thriving which is very interesting considering at the time people believed it would be a lifeless wasteland for thousands of years
>>8048990
>careful not to fall for it
>>8048694
>Can't a melted core be recycled?
Only thing I can think of is as a dirty bomb to be dropped on a city you do no like,
>until the core parts are strewn enough to be normally manageable.
read this story to see just how small it might have to be: http://www.wired.com/2011/10/ff_radioactivecargo/
>>8049006
I'm pretty sure by short lives and high reproduction rates anon meant microorganisms, not higher animals like spiders, birds or catfish.
>The radioactivity has driven evolution there with some species thriving which is very interesting considering at the time people believed it would be a lifeless wasteland for thousands of years
Very interesting indeed, but did people with proper scientific education think that it would be a barren wasteland, or was it just the general public? Seems pretty obvious (now at least) that life adapts pretty much everywhere.
>>8050557
>barren wasteland
Hiroshima, ground zero: nearby was a bank built with bricks. Everyone inside died. Two days later the bank was operating again. The scientific community knew but you know such scenarios do not sell newspapers. So please bring on the doomsday scenarios.
>>8046541
how many different measures for radiation are there jesus fuck
>>8048939
extremely expensive
some of the most expensive man made structures are nuclear power plants
coal and natural gas is orders of magnitude cheaper and doesnt come with a massive political stigma
>>8048112
absolutely wrong, future nuclear reactor need to be built on top of rockets, so when there is a core melt down, the rocket will ignite and send our problems into space.
