If there is a /sci/entific way to build a house, all of them would look the same.
>>8011789
>I don't know what skyscrapers are: The post
Why would you cover your lawn
>>8011789
hobbit holes
>>8011806
>tfw no cozy small hobbit hole with a pantry buttfuck full of godly foods
>>8011789
lol, you retard.
In one context (such as an environment) there may be one best way to do things but in another context there may be a different way. A best house in the arctic may be different from a best house in a very humid region or a best house in a desert. Even moreso other things may factor into the context like the house's relationship to the city facilities, transportation, and places of employment.
There was an architectural designer several years back who became very influential for his arguments. Essentially he argued that cities, buildings, and architecture in general should be developed organically as needs arise. The guy wrote a series of books on it.
That guy's argument is basically the antithesis of yours:
>Given some context like an environment, economy, society, time period, etc.. then there may exist a best house. However quality of said house will vary as the context changes and so one must figure out a way to build a house that can be easily and efficiently adapted to a changing context.
>>8011810
>no white boards
>tiny little table
How could you ever get anything done in such a place?
>>8011789
Really?
>>8011789
terrace, pilotis, balcony, veranda
left to right, top to bottom
>>8011828
>white board
thats what the windows are for :^)
>>8011801
This. Good luck growing grass UNDER A GODDAMN HOUSE
>>8011878
Did you read the katakana, or is architecture a science now?
>>8011801
I think the green part isn't nessarily supposed to represent lawn as much as it is supposed to represent open, outdoor space
>>8011801
lol, it would be fine. you'd just have to orient your house and adjust the stilt height
>>8011911
read it, I had to look up piloti though
BRUTALISM
>>8012105
Mexico City?
>>8012105
this isnt real is it ?
>>8012194
Singapore
>>8012240
That's a shame I hate that place.
>>8011908
Just build the whole thing out of glass.
>>8012276
>TheNailThatGetsHammeredDown.jpg
>>8012297
Hong Kong air is pretty good by China standards.
>>8012297
Is the concept of an indoor plant actually new to you?
>>8012373
I have never seen them live very long.
>>8011789
they do
a) foundation
b) cap
c) load bearing beams and telepost / columns
d) walls, all rough openings have "headers" above them
there is a line of support from top to bottom.
there is a design of products to use and how to use and fasten them.
fucking engineer reports.
build to plans
build to code
>>8011789
"No"
You can generally observe, for example, that the slope of roofs is proportional to the amount of rain in the latitude where a house is built. Scientific construction would produce houses exactly as varied as their locations.
>>8012411
i'd hate to have something so high maintenance like that in a home, can't even take a nap on that couch just so I don't drown on the unlikely chance someone breaks in the house through the glass
Several people have pointed out that different environments encourage different designs.
It's probably also worth considering that different buildings are built for different purposes, and that the local availability of materials differs from place to place.
>>8012199
https://www.google.com/search?q=parkroyal+hotel+singapore&tbm=isch
>>8012575
>local availability of materials
wood is everywhere, unless you easter island it
>>8012567
>latitude
>>8011822
> in the arctic may be different
guys, do you have the slightest idea how a wall can be build and insulated?
also this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house
>>8012857
>wood is everywhere
Wood isn't just wood. There are different kinds of it.
Also there are other materials worth considering too.
>>8012857
>latitude
Pretty much latitude. Compare traditional Swiss houses to traditional Arabian houses. Latitude is a decent proxy for climate.
All bets are off with modern materials but the pattern is pretty clear in traditional architectures.
>>8012273
Doesn't glass filter out UV light?
>>8012257
Yeah it hear it's an oppressive hell-hole
>>8011828
There is a bar/island partially obscured by the stairs.
>>8014219
Cthulhu approved.
>>8012276
>5Su6ng3.jpg
Literally this is a hell place.
>>8014269
Yes, but suicide jump could be so easy
![kowloon1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4NrB9kI.jpg "kowloon1[1].jpg")
>>8014269
google Kowloon City
>>8011789
>a /sci/entific way
There is. The scientific method isn't restricted to a singular output for every environment. Even making a house changes the environment subtly.
>>8011789
>If there is a /sci/entific way to build a house, all of them would look the same.
That is the least scientific way to build.
To build scientifically, lots of identical houses would be constructed, and then lots of slightly different houses, and then lots of slightly different etc. etc., "different" to examine what works better, "lots" to get a proper sample space and avoid noise in the data.
>>8015076
>>8014281
>>8012276
having children was a mistake
>>8015076
>>8011789
Honey combs nigga
>>8011789
Yes, but you first need to define the goals of what you want your house to do, and location plays a huge factor.
Start with researching the ICC, as they are the go to standard for how to build houses. Then look at the reason why those rules were made, it takes some digging as these things have been repeated to the point of blind fact.
Personally I admire the reasoning and decades of scientific research behind them, but think political agendas have corrupted them and we need to reevaluate everything. Because to be frank I should never have to argue with a building inspector about the flammability dangerous of my new high silica bricks.
>>8011789
>no trees
>>8015164
>Honey combs
what about cubes?
>>8016006
> autism.mpeg
>>8011911
>or is architecture a science now?
what is it then, art?
>>8016008
>mpeg
I wanna see a video of this, too. Show us.
You tried that in the 50's, it didn't work. Fuck off internationalist commies reee.
>>8012273
Water
>>8015164
>>8016006
Modular houses can work only if you can easily extend your own part without damaging the others; it's not easy, at all.
If it's a big condo and everyone is on rent, then you can ask the next door qt to move to another cubicle, so you'll have 2 of them connected; again, not easy.
>not having an evil scientists tower where you can cook up your experiments all the while observing plebs with your telescope
>>8011837
Did nobody during the design phase say, "No, that looks too much like two legs with a penis hanging between them"?
>>8016323
>their face when
>>8016323
yfw pants skyscrapers are real:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_to_the_East
>>8011810
those stairs don't look like they're to code..
>>8016560
They're not stairs they're shelves that people mistakenly step on to go to the second floor sometimes
>>8016608
>Whops I tripped on the shelf and accidentally ended up on the second floor
>>8016619
And finally this thread earns its worth.
>>8016544
>>8016323
It is safe to say this design caused a few comments.
In actual fact there are 4 legs and a huge pyramid suspended between these. Also there are different models, these scale from 300 to 600 m tall.
>>8011789
>implying there is only ever one kind of optimal
well for housing, if there is it is clearly a multistory nuke-proof, self-sufficient basement. Never would I have to venture into the outside world again.
>>8016799
>putting your supplies that close to the surface
>>8016784
Its nice to look at but living there might not be as fun.
>>8011837
whyyy?
And, how is that scientific? It's nice design, yes, but scientific??!!
>>8011902
Jacob please go
>>8014281
I always thought of this idea of just a fuckton of layers as a whole city, but damn.. Imagine if these things become commonplace all over the world due to overpopulation.
>>8017705
>I always thought of this idea of just a fuckton of layers as a whole city, but damn.. Imagine if these things become commonplace all over the world due to overpopulation.
Stuff like Kowloon City isn't built due to overpopulation, it's built due to terrible zoning laws. Ain't nobody want to build the seventh apartment wedged in between the walls if there are other options, but if that's the only place where you're legally allowed, then...
>>8016774
>pyramid
Illuminati headquarters?
>>8016807
I am not sure about the details but somehow the structure is surprisingly stable also in areas with earthquakes. I would guess that would take a bit of research to find out of.
This came up a few years ago now but from what I remember there is a lot more to it than just nice design.
>>8017852
That would probably be the Inverted Illuminati.
>>8016323
no they weren't in the sixth grade
>>8018200
I know about those, that is well established tech used for decades.
>>8012276
This is dumb as fuck, towers in between won't get any sunlight thus depressing the inhabitants and raising heating bills
>>8011789
Science keeps finding new ways to make houses and dwellings for different locations. Like this concept for a water laboratory living space for scientists to have easier access to remote lake or sea locations.
>>8016323
you're a closet faggot m8
im a psychologist
you might want to get evaluated
>>8020986
>Like this concept for a water laboratory living space for scientists to have easier access to remote lake or sea locations.
I'm sorry, but that thing's completely ridiculous.
It does nothing that a regular research ship with a moon pool can't do, but is less stable, has less internal space and costs much more to make.
>>8015076
>>8014281
>>8012276
Reminds me of the limitless fortress from "Getbackers"
Then again, that's probably where the inspiration for it came from,
>>8020989
I wish they'd reclaim mines into structures similar to this, once Kinnecott shits itself it could be easily restructured into housing like this and be a very vigorous community for retirees or refugees and the like. All the terraforming goes to waste the second the reclamation begins though, it's a damn shame.
>>8011789
Depends on what you want to build.
First image would be for a traditional suburban lot.
Second image would be for a coastal lot prone to flooding.
Third image might be a denser neighborhood.
Fourth image might have it's deck face the sun and require some extra shade.
What the client wants is different from building to building, and there are of course like aesthetics that make for a variety of buildings. You may also find people do not like the stoic nature of a replicated design you might find in suburban developments.
>>8017705
Overpopulation isn't going to happen.
We're in the midst of a fertility crash right now.
>>8016544
yfw China doesn't stop:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCTV_Headquarters
>>8020320
>towers in between won't get any sunlight
That is probably the advantage with the inverted pyramid: lots of light. I hope they will build one soon.
>>8016784
>am i the only one who finds these kinds of repetitive, cramped buildings really cool?
Probably. To me especially >>8015074 looks like a graveyard with tombstones all lined up with great precision.
Fun fact: noone knows how many live in Hong Kong. They just make an estimate based on the tobacco consumption, according to the guide I had in HK.
In case some still have an interest in this you can check up Darkroastedblend in category architecture, pic related. There is a ton of examples of architecture unlike anything else.
http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/01/category-architecture.html
Hahahahahahahaha
The building so ugly it made an entire city ban tall buildings for 40 years
Yes, but much like cities there are multiple answers depending on the variables you have.
For example, compare cities that are pedestrian focused to ones that are car focused. Both can be built "scientifically"; ie the widths of the streets controlled, the size of the lots, the placement of buildings on lots relative to the streets etc. Pedestrian places tend to take up less real estate but also have more engineering constraints due to the taller buildings. Whilst car-based cities have less engineering challenges, but are also much sparsely populated and take up more space.
Another example would be the use of the area. For example, a suburban bedroom community tends to get more use out of cul-de-sacs than a mixed use area that requires through streets. Industrial oriented areas typically require railroads, which causes activity to cluster around the rail line.
For a real life example, compare the homes in Boston's Beacon Hill to a suburb like Elk Grove, California. Both were built "scientifically", ie preplanned, but serve different purposes.
>>8027397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IytdogmNERQ
>>8027397
>>8027398
Of course one of the biggest problems with preplanned cities is that they don't adapt well. For example, streetcar suburbs found themselves turned into ghettos when streetcar systems were ripped out in the 1950s. Many cities with rail lines also found themselves unprepared for the escalation of freight traffic; in 1900 maybe one or two trains a day would go through a place like Colfax but today it's over 10. This is a problem given that many cities built their downtowns around rail lines many of which run in the street itself.
Likewise car based suburbs can't be anything other than bedroom communities, so if middle class people move out the area plummets into a death spiral. Similarly, suburbs that do grow into mixed-use areas find it difficult to adapt since the street plan works against most businesses. Transit also becomes difficult to expand outside of major arteries.
>>8021388
Nope it's our ticket to living on water planets
>>8027397
Fuck having cars in the city, we need to force everything to be public transport like it's those old japanese mega-cities.
>>8027594
Even if everyone used public transport, you still need vehicles for transport of goods.
The best idea is to bury all roads (most importantly highways) underground, and try to have only pedestrian, trolley, and bike traffic on the surface.
>>8027623
>>8027623
>underground """"""""high""""""""ways
But yeah that sounds like the best plan.
>>8027623
Or at the very least have some half decent public transport at my uni
>>8021388
Apple has shown once and for all that there is a well heeled group who buys design over features any day. As long as it looks cool they will willingly fork over huge amounts of moohlas. And they will do so in the future too.
>>8015076
Imagine living in one of those when one day the elevator breaks and you have to use the stairs to get to your top floor apartment.
>>8027631
Are they trying to build this?
>>8027755
Koreans already done it
>>8027720
Some of these apartments are so microscopic that the main chair in the living room is basically the throne. And I haven't told yo about the shower yet.
>>8027720
imagine 630 m to the top floor; it'll take 2 hours for a normal person:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeddah_Tower
>>8028024
With 58 elevators I think they'll be fine.
>>8016018
It's art. Engineering is science
>>8011789
That would only be the case if they were not influenced by their environment, cost, or any other one of a million factors
>>8011789
>all of them would be the same
You would have to take into consideration wind and sunlight.. which immediately makes all houses different.
And if you call psychology a science... well.. you'd have to make the house suite its inhabitant by including features from it's childhood and textures, colours & mediums associated with comfort, concentration ect. depending on the room and what the inhabitant would want to do with it.
Renuable energy sources would be dependable on the area.
Generally you want a house to suite or even camouflage into its environment but that could be negated by the inhabitants psyche.
Then you have security is determinable by area. Or defenses against certain animals/insects.
>All the same.
Faggot.
>>8027777
>Lotte World Tower
>1,819 feet
>Comparable to the Half Life 2 Citadel
lol no.
Science doesn't declare everything is the same.
Science doesn't declare environments are all the same.
Science declares extreme diversity due to definition being defined by contrast, and contrast is defined by differentiation.
Science declared people are different due to genetics, environment and experience.
There is nothing but flaws in your presupposition.
>>8011789
Nah. We humans are much more prone to stuff that tickles our emotions than rationelle and efficiency. Well most of us seem to be any way.
You could build something that is "best" in any objective sense, but if people don't like it and want to spend money on it, it's still gonna kind of irrelevant on any social scale.
>>8011789
congratulations, you're a retard
>>8011789
if there is a scientific way to build a telescope, all of them would look the same.
>>8027777
Sweet Christ that smog
>>8011789
Yes and no, the design of every building is made of two different part, the first is the Architecture, it's not a science nor an art and it has lots in common with psychology, aesthetics, etc. The second part is engineering, and it's a mix of applied science, statistics and secolar know-how.
That is.
You can't made an algorithm for the perfect house. You will need a team of expert, and maybe more than one, to get the project perfect for you.
http://www.amazon.de/Future-Roman-Dmitry-Glukhovsky/dp/3453315545
it gives me a odd feeling about our future
>>8030108
forgot pic
>>8017705
this might interest you
>>8027777
do gooks even breathe?
>>8025392
>inverted pyramid: lots of light
WUT?
Are you referring to the one underground? Well, no, it doesn't make sense either way. Even in your own picture the base of the pyramidal part is casting a huge shadow.
If you want more light, build a slim and isolated skyscraper with one apartment per floor with windows looking in every direction.
>>8031331
... and rotating floors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP24UZrbI2Y
>>8031232
So...We have to go back to XIXth century Huassmanian inspired urban planning?
>>8011789
What the hell do you even mean?
>>8012573
Who would break in through the house that way? They would fall onto glass and other furniture and have a possibility of not being able to run away after they realized they had autism
>>8011789
This thread is just civil engineers/material scientists arguing with people who don't know what they're talking about
>>8014281
Fuuuuuck living there
>>8031331
Each of the 4 legs are 300 m tall skyscrapers in their own right. The pyramid is not underground. In fact most of the prospects I have seen the building is surrounded by water, some times there is a reflecting pool directly underneath the tip of the pyramid. From what I understand this softens the shadows. Everything appears to be clad in glass so there is a lot of reflections too, also via the water.
The picture shows there is a lot of air here. There are other figures too that I cannot find anymore, where the pyramid was a lot shorter and did not extend anywhere as far down as these figures show.
>>8011789
>>8021106
Freud pls go
>>8033739
Looks like a bad design.
A round-ish periphery minimizes outer surface relative to inner area in which case you want to make the most of the visual resources like windows and surfaces that catches a lot of sunlight. At 9 o'clock they have placed ... a stair well!
And there appears to already be another stairwell in the centre.
Also designer suffers from excessive corridor-itis. A corridor parallell to another corridor (at 2 o'clock)? Bah.
Next you want to optimise for avoiding heat loss, so hot rooms like bathrooms, toilets, central heating and more should be in the centre of the construction. Is not.
>>8034673
I agree that's a bad design but I disagree with every single one of your reasons. I'm guessing you've never lived in an apartment building.
>>8034683
I have lived in a few apartment buildings.
Care to explain?
>>8034673
>>8034707
Ok, I'll explain.
>A round-ish periphery
Which this doesn't really have, other than having curved walls. The perimeter/area ratio appears to be larger than a square would be, actually.
And a low perimeter/area ratio is a GOOD thing, actually, since it makes it more energy and space efficient. There are lots of windows in all the living spaces, here, and they would all be filled with light.
The problem is the curved walls themselves, which are expensive to build, add lots of complications when making modifications, make it hard to buy furniture, and inevitably create unusable spaces.
> At 9 o'clock they have placed ... a stair well!
Which appears to be the main entryway, and is probably filled with light (windows between floors, skylight).
>And there appears to already be another stairwell in the centre.
An emergency alternative stair, which necessarily is separated from the main one.
>Also designer suffers from excessive corridor-itis. A corridor parallell to another corridor (at 2 o'clock)? Bah.
The inner one is the main corridor. It's about as short as it can be to access all apartments. The outer one is inside that apartment, and thus is certainly not redundant. It's quite short and provides separation between public and private areas of the apartment.
>Next you want to optimise for avoiding heat loss, so hot rooms like bathrooms, toilets, central heating and more should be in the centre of the construction. Is not.
So they should all share a bathroom? What central heating are you referring to? That's clearly not even on this floor.
>>8034791
>At 9 o'clock they have placed ... a stair well!
>Which appears to be the main entryway
the purpose is to reduce the possibility of watching inside each other windows of the two ap. at 10 and 8
2 stairs and 2 elevators serve to reassure rich fags of escaping routes; and they will not have problems ordering curved furnitures; I imagine that ap. at 10 will go for no less than 1 million just because of that massive window
>>8034791
>And a low perimeter/area ratio is a GOOD thing, actually, since it makes it more energy and space efficient.
Agreed and that was part of my point: they did not make much of it.
>Which appears to be the main entryway, and is probably filled with light (windows between floors, skylight).
And it has no windows to the left. Had it been moved further right the outside area could be used for living quarters.
>An emergency alternative stair, which necessarily is separated from the main one.
Most likely. However if you move it right you can reroute the common corridors and exploit more of the areas.
>The inner one is the main corridor. It's about as short as it can be to access all apartments.
It seems still badly designed. See for instance the two doors too close at 11 o'clock. When you open the door at the top apartment you risk slamming the door into the face of someone entering that common corridor. Also the emergency stairs is entered through a maze and feeds only from one side.
>So they should all share a bathroom?
No. My point is that the hot rooms should be towards the centre so that lost heat warms the rest of the building. Now much of the lost heat is lost to the outside. We agree on the potential for energy efficiency but it seems to me this was a halfway job,
As for central heating an apartment building often share common infrastructure like HVAC etc. There seems to be some infrastructure in the centre but I cannot tell exactly what it is.
![neighborhood1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mzemcXE.jpg "neighborhood1[1].jpg")
>>8023266
Imagine a typical American suburb built w/ house A.
Now imagine the exact same suburb, but built w/ house B instead. That gets rid required on-street parking, which lets you cut street width in half, for about ~+30% density.
With the increased density, you can support more stores closer, allowing more walking or bicycling.
Car traffic redirected to pedestrian traffic gets your street throughput requirements down by another ~20% letting you reduce streets more and building even closer.
Now you have a typical Tokyo residential quarter, deep dense city, yet without the traffic that makes you want to move out into the suburbs.
Pic super fucking related.
>>8028229
Oh man I am at work w/ no headphones but I am bookmarking that video for when I am home again.
>>8032053
>Fuuuuuck living there
That's not the kind of place people build voluntarily, that's the kind of place you build when you are legally required not to build somewhere else.
Like, imagine if a single square mile of Bay Area SF suddenly lost all zoning requirements. With SF housing prices being as high as they are, that area would probably look something like that - though probably slightly less 3rd world.
>>8035916
Wait shit I forgot one part:
The reduction in car traffic means you no longer need a front lawn to separate you from the non-existent cars, allowing you to build two houses on the same lot, doubling density, further reducing the necessity of cars.
What I'm trying to get at here is:
smaller streets->higher density
higher density->more pedestrians, fewer cars
fewer cars->smaller streets
Let me tell you real quick about Cities Skylines, and how I know that despite the Finnish developer, it is for building American cities:
The narrowest street I can build in Cities Skylines is the width of the the major east/west highway going through the city of 200,000 inhabitants that I live in.
>>8020989
How do you think this would react to earthquakes?
>>8035916
The first thing I thought when I saw the picture is that it looked like Tokyo. I used to work in Japan. Tokyo is a strange place - it is more of a conurbation of countless villages than a normal metropolis. So if you walk just one minute away from the main streets you get to a place like the picture. Where I worked, in a hyper modern city, you went just a tiny built outside the city perimeter and you would see farms just the way they made then centuries ago.
Tokyo has an absolutely awesome infrastructure for commuting. Practically all main streets have an underground line just underneath it. That makes it possible to live without a car. Few cities would put such a system in place.
Density is very high but also limited by earthquake safety requirements as in very few tall buildings.
