>Ceres DAWN has been in LAMO for months
>here have this nice closeup of some random crater
Um, I'd like to see some high detail of the Occator bright spots.
>haha we already told you they're salt (probably) didn't you see that heavily manipulated image we put out in August :^)
Why can't we see a raw image like all the rest of the features.
>because it's salt we told you what are you a tinfoil :^)
Why can't we see some pics of this interesting feature? I just want to see them, what's the big deal?
>>7946134
Tell me, do you honestly believe it is ayy lmaos? Not trying to discredit your post, just curious.
>>7946137
Denying the strong possibility (pretty much certainty) of alien life is super retarded.
Its like going to the ocean and scooping up a cup of sea water and saying "obviously no whales live in the ocean, heres the proof"
>>7946146
Not that dude but obviously he's asking if you think proof of aliens is in that image, not if they exist entirely.
You're going "this whale could be in this cup of water"
>>7946137
Who said anything about that? He just wants to see the landmass.
>>7946137
That's not relevant. What I want is to see some pics of this interesting feature.
>>7946146
You don't even know what a whale is, but you think everything is evidence of whales.
There haven't been any pics of occator since August I think. The only pic released at that time were the computer generated flyby in OP pic and a heavily processed composite, where the bright feature was processed and overlaid on the crater image. Why not release a raw picture?
>>7946177
>Why not release a raw picture?
Because their GoPro is broken.
>Ceres DAWN blog
>wow bright spot look at this pic!
>wow bright spot look at this pic!
>wow bright spot look at this pic!
>umm it's just salt nothing really here's a doctored photo from a higher orbit
>wow look at this hires pic of a generic crater from LAMO :^)
>ok thanks for following no more news :^)
>>7946306
AYY LAMO
Seriously why hasn't there been any real photos of the bright spot?
Also what about that fucking huge unnatural mass in deepspace creating its own light? Whatever happened to that as well?
Why does nasa doctor the FUCK out of their images to begin with?
>/sci/cunts don't question nasa because it goes against their own narratives they cling to
>>7946332
Just because there could be a conspiracy, doesn't mean there is one. If you have evidence, then present it.
>>7946332
>what are composite images
>>7946340
>It isn't. What you see int he OP isn't actually "light".
He's talking about the impossible mass which was discovered a while ago which has been completely forgotten. Not ceres.
>>7946342
It's nothing but conjecture then, and what can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
>>7946345
>I will hide behind the fact that nasa refuses to give any facts and just follow their public statements and doctored photos.
top cuckerino
>>7946345
Can you prove is it one giant salt deposit?
>>7946134
Because they're hiding the discovery of alien life from the public, obviously.
There's still observation info coming in about the spots but Dawn mission is just not giving us anything. This is an interesting feature aren't you fags interested in geology?
>>7946352
>goes straight to tinfoil shit in order to deflect from the fact that nasa is keeping information away from the public
>>7946359
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2016/03/surprising-new-bright-spots-observed-on-ceres-an-internally-active-dwarf-planet.html
And linky.
>>7946349
This ain't /x/, it's /sci/. And in /sci/, when you make a claim, you present your evidence, if you have any.
>>7946350
The burden of proof is on the one bringing the claim.
There is more observation data being supplied by Earth stations than by Dawn mission. Why is this so?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/astronomers-see-changes-on-dwarf-planet-s-surface/
>>7946393
Why do you think it's so?
>>7946386
Yeah nasa claims it is salt you kike.
Prove it.
>>7946406
I have no explanation. A crater is a crater is a crater, how many closeups does Dawn need to make of random craters? Why not focus on studying this unique bright feature which is so interesting that several teams are studying it from Earth observatories. All we've had from Dawn is a handwave "could be" paper, presented before Dawn even got to final LAMO observation.
>>7946360
>tinfoil
NASA psyop detected
>>7946421
I ain't NASA, and I don't know enough about it to prove anything. All I'm doing is sharpening my logic on your dullness.. you jerk.
>>7946428
It seems like you're obviously implying there's a coverup. Are you sure that your explanation is not that "it's a coverup"?
>32 replies
>10 posters
You know, /sci/, the rest of 4chan probably wouldn't come here to troll you constantly if it weren't so fucking easy.
>>7946146
You believe whales exist?
For all we know they are an advanced organic hologram invented by an ancient insectoid species.
>>7946456
I'm not implying anything just stating a fact that there is more interesting Ceres observation data being supplied by Earth teams than by the Dawn mission.
Nice try at implying some ad-hominem at me though.
>>7946384
You make a hypothesis before you test it.
>>7946470
>implying some ad-hominem
I wouldn't imply ad-hominem, I would just say 'You're retarded' and be done with it.
Bandwidth is very limited, important science data takes precedence.
Why don't you look at the spectroscopic data? pictures are pretty meh science wise.
>>7946477
Yeah there you go, here's a reasonable explanation, one of many possible explanations, so I ask again: why do YOU think there is more data from Earth teams than from the Dawn mission?
>>7946482
There is literally no data on the bright feature though, not even one picture from LAMO observation has been supplied. Are you implying that there are absolutely no photographs of the Occator feature from LAMO?
>>7946488
Didn't we conduct a pH analysis?
>>7946489
Where's the data? Why not even one photo? What's your deal aren't you interested in this unique feature on Ceres? I've seen craters in the flesh I don't need a photo to believe that they're on Ceres, nor are they special in any way. Why not share even one picture of the Occator feature?
>>7946495
I replied to the wrong person.
>>7946488
The bandwidth is very bad. So bad Dawn has to spend like a dat transmitting data back. When it transmits data back that is the only thing it can do.
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html
>>7946456
That's not what he has saying at all. It's a fair and simple question.
>>7946477
Are you implying that the Occator feature is less important than the many generic craters that do have public photographs? The Occator bright feature is the single most important geological feature on Ceres, which would supply important data to the internal makeup of that world along with implying that it's still geologically active; fairly unique amongst bodies that small.
The full spectroscopic data hasn't been released either, only from one instrument and only within context of the published paper.
All I'm getting from this thread is
>omg asking questions is bad, are you a tinfoil? It isn't ayy lmaos, curb your curiosity
Science is about being curious. If something piques your curiosity, investigate to satiate the need.
>>7946571
It could be that they are concerned about speculation and want to release good and relevant data that cannot be misconstrued beyond a certain degree.
Or maybe they found something.
Who knows.
>>7946571
OP here, I just want a good pic of the Occator feature is that too much to ask? Dawn mission were the ones hyping the fuck out the feature for nearly a year and then just handwaved it away as they think it might be salt. Mainstream ran with that "ayy lmao it's not aliums it's salt no more to see" and Dawn has not said a single thing since or released any further information.
I note that Dawn reconfigured their orbit earlier this month, around the time of the ESO observation announcement on the bright feature.
>>7946598
Maybe they're trolling everyone.
>>7946598
You'd think at this resolution the feature would be pretty clear. If it's salt or ice or any other geological feature it should be clear. The earlier paper was pretty solid, what's the big deal? Just release a pic.
>>7946610
Plasma from something on the surface being released from being heated? Maybe something frozen in the ice and once it becomes available it reacts to its new environment or itself or something.
>>7946639
Plasma? Heated? Nobody cares about your stupid fucking theories christ no wonder this board is just shit science and homework.
>>7946605
>
I note that Dawn reconfigured their orbit earlier this month, around the time of the ESO observation announcement on the bright feature.
could you expand on this, anon?
![PdCjkMe[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/gtSO1da.gif "PdCjkMe[1].gif")
> its emitting light
> its salt guise :^)
da phuc ? Was "salt" actually the official NASA explaination for glowing cum cocaine we saw on mars ? What is this rain of bullshit coming from NASAs way for anything they can't or don't wanna explain.
>>7946657
by Mars, I mean't Ceres
>>7946146
That's a pretty bad comparison. We know that alien life probably exists somewhere in the universe, maybe even in this galaxy. But there are so many factors that make life improbable (distance to star, chemical makeup, size of the galaxy, position in the galaxy, enough mass to hold an atmosphere...) that life, especially technological life, could be very sparse. We might be alone in this galaxy or even alone within the next 100 million light years for all we know. And even if there was an alien civilisation only 10ly away from us, they'd still take a massive amount of time to get here if they do not have access to worm holes or warp drives which, for all we know, require the existence and isolation of negative matter, which contradicts our 2nd law of energy conservation.
>>7946460
That's not an unrealistic ratio of posters to replies when people are replying to one another.
>>7946134
You are pathetic, tbqh
>>7946657
>what is reflection
>what is photocapacity
>>7946738
> only salt is reflective
> it reflects inexistent light where entire planet surface is under a shadow
Nice try NASA :^)
>>7946657
It was never emitting light...
While Occator is undeniably prominent and the photo is intriguing, all of the other observations are important. The mission isn't to "go look at neat stuff," but get as much broad data as possible with finite resources in order to provide context.
Probably a decision was made not to waste valuable mission time gathering redundant data. It's possible they are waiting for more certainty about some extraordinary claim before going public with it, but usually these sorts of things are PR fodder.
That is why prettified photos of an unusual feature were publicized to begin with, without first knowing or revealing what the fuck it is.
If there were a conspiracy to hide something from the public, why show it off?
>>7946772
Then why was it emitting light when that part of the planet surface was entirely in shadow ?
>>7946755
>only salt is reflective
It's four times as reflective as the surrounding surface.
>> it reflects inexistent light where entire planet surface is under a shadow
It never did that.
>>7946777
light is coming directly from above
> its reflecting from that angle
light is coming from the side
> its reflecting from that angle too
light is coming from 90 degrees
> i-its just a reflection
no part of that planet is recieving light
> i-its salt guise
you're trying way too hard you dumbfuck
>>7946781
I can't see anything weird in that image. High albedo areas are brighter than low albedo areas. So what?
>>7946775
Can you post source?
In this picture it's due to elevation, much like the rim of the crater.
The population explosion of humans is already an event comparable to the impact which killed the dinosaurs, and it is not over, it is accelerating. Luckily humans themselves possess the forethought to consider long term consequences, and the ability to mitigate them. Or at least, some of us do...
>>7946784
reflection indicates the light is bouncing off from a light source with a specific vector and hitting the camera lens. if its bright from all angles, it's not a reflection
>>7946784
You're either trolling, or maybe don't understand exactly how cameras work.
It would be possible to take almost exactly the same pictures with nothing but starlight if you exposed long enough.
>>7946774
Exactly, why not release a photo after hyping it up so much? The mission itself was excited for the feature too, undeniably. Are you actually implying that there is not one single LAMO photo of the feature?
>>7946791
>reflection indicates the light is bouncing off from a light source with a specific vector and hitting the camera lens
Only from a polished mirror. Obviously this specular reflection. When you're outside in the daytime you can generally see objects from all angles, even though you're seeing them with reflected sunlight.
>>7946814
No. Here's one now
>>7946456
It looks like there very much is a fucking coverup
Doesn't mean its goddamn aliens or something
But it IS a coverup
>>7946839
>But it IS a coverup
What makes you think that?
>>7946774
Occator is easily the most important feature of Ceres. Besides being a nice popsci fodder, if what the published paper says is right, along with other observation, the feature implies that Ceres is geologically active. This raises more than a few questions such as how is it energized.
Occator isn't some neat feature they tripped over but have been actively hyping it since the mission launched. Why has it gone so quiet?
>>7946850
because they haven't talked about it
>>7946854
>because they haven't talked about it
They've got mountains of data to look at. Be patient.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IbtkOt9.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>7946875
It's not a sunny day on ceres. the light source is coming from the side. Also I've yet to see any proof of it being salt, and not a copout
Interesting how this topic gets shitposted so hard.
>>7946860
All OP is asking about is a pic. Not unreasonable.
>>7946886
>It's not a sunny day on ceres
Yes it is.
>>7946890
>All OP is asking about is a pic. Not unreasonable.
There will be plenty of pics. What's unreasonable is demanding it immediately.
>>7946902
its not sunny anymore if the sun is out buttkid
Have a bioluninescence pic. (There may even be whales).
>>7946904
Dawn has imaged 99.6% of Ceres in its Low Altitude Mapping Orbit as of February 29th. They have the pictures. Compared to the previous orbit image releases, this delay is unreasonable.
>>7946926
Who are you addressing this to and what is your point?
You are clearly mentally ill, seek help.
>>7946660
>That's a pretty bad comparison
Neil Degrasse tyson is the one who originally said the things about whales in the ocean
I highly doubt you are as smart as black meme science guy so go fuck yourself
>>7947230
I haven't failed a single math exam this far, so I think I might be a bit more intelligent than him.
>>7946904
They didn't even release a raw image from the higher orbit.
>>7947230
>Neil Degrasse Tyson is the one who originally said the things about whales in the ocean
That doesn't make it relevant here.
>tfw ;w;
ITT: Autists so desperate for evidence of ayy lmaos they think NASA is hiding something on Ceres, but won't openly say it because of how ridiculous they know they are being.
Its almost sad they cannot accept such a simple reality that NASA has a whole dwarf planet to study in a limited time frame, and cant just focus on something with a higher albedo in a couple craters.
Here's an artist creating a glowing illusion by carefully placing the leaves around the roots. He placed gradually brighter leaves around the tree trunk to create an illusion as if there is light emitting under the tree. As this example depicts its very easy to cheat the eye with simple light play.
It's quite understandable that people are tricked by this and think its an emissive material, but it's simply brighter than the dark soil around it and thats all there is.
>>7948756
>can't release a single photo of the most geologically significant feature
Do you even science?
>>7948764
Would be nice to see a photo.
>>7948767
>can't
Remind us of the reason NASA has to release images on a schedule you approve?
>shut it down
>>7946146
Yet this same atheist will talk shit about Christians making this same argument.
>>7946467
get woke stay woke
>>7946386
Science is about finding the truth together and having fun, it's not a competition.
>>7946134
Never A Straight Answer, what do you expect?
>Why does nasa doctor the FUCK out of their images to begin with?
This. I only found out Europa was half blood-red while watching some cable pop-sci last night. It's like they want to hush that up because then people would start asking questions as to why the ice on Europa looks just like bacteria-laden ice on Earth
hey NASA how about a closeup pic of that cool feature you've been hyping for that past year and even put up a web page devoted to it?
>no what are you a tinfoiler it's not aliens there's nothing to see here look at this picture of some rocks
OK here's a reasonable account:
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news-detail.html?id=5745
>"Dawn began mapping Ceres at its lowest altitude in December, but it wasn't until very recently that its orbital path allowed it to view Occator's brightest area. This dwarf planet is very large and it takes a great many orbital revolutions before all of it comes into view of Dawn's camera and other sensors," said Marc Rayman, Dawn's chief engineer and mission director at JPL.
>Researchers will present new images and other insights about Ceres at the 47th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, during a press briefing on March 22 in The Woodlands, Texas.
So, will they release Occator pics? Let us see.
>>7948880
>implying there's a strong possibility of a magic superman in the sky who conspicuously and consistently fails to lift a finger to prevent such things as the holocaust, pacific tsunami, etc, yet has a special interest in your personal welfare
>implying it's even the same argument
>implying christians aren't gullible idiots with no critical thinking skills
>>7948963
>holocaust
Jews
>tsunami
Heathen gooks
Why would Christian God care about these people?
>>7948900
Well I guess if people actually expected NASA to do things in space they would get upset when all their money is wasted.
>>7949058
Dear Musk dick sucker, what exactly has SpaceX discovered in outer space?
Maybe they haven't released any more pictures because they know it's fucking salt and not interesting or worth investigating? Why would they reroute their probe or waste time getting high res pictures of an uninteresting feature just to satisfy autists who think it's aliens?
>>7949152
You clearly don't understand why salt would be interesting. Please refrain from commenting further.
>>7949154
What would a picture tell you about salt that a spectrograph wouldn't
>>7949152
>here have another 100 photos of craters
>>7949152
Here's where your wrong retard.
>actual unmanipulated closeup image :^)
>>7950555
I wish they'd release the raw one, like they did for the other features. :<
>>7951191
Like this one?
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia20350.jpg
>>7951193
Nice. I wonder if that has any overlays like previous pics to deal with the brightness difference? Good detail though, now how the fuck does that feature even?
>>7951204
I think the leading theory is "salt deposites from impacts or geological activity" but hopefully time will tell.
Or, if you are into the whole "NASA made it unclear-therefore aliens" and the subsequent "NASA made it so high-res that it has to be photoshop'ed aliens", then....aliens.
I think its time for some space OC :^)
>>7951214
Ok, thats one of the first times i've kek'ed on this page.
>>7951213
What's with the snarky dig, this is /sci/ right? I wonder what would power the geological process out there>
>>7951214
Ebin :-DDDDDD
>>7951251
Snarky dig?
>>7951279
The alien thing. I don't see anyone seriously "gotta be aliens" here.
how are these salts created? Could they be formed by organic life? (there's probably no life on ceres, but maybe there once was?)
>>7951354
popsci faggot detected
>>7948764
>I have become reddit, the destroyer of worlds
That said, you have a point
>>7951331
Yeah, fair point, and if >>7951204 is you then I only meant it in a joking sense. In any case, sorry.
I tend to frequent the cesspool that is NASA's facebook page, and the comments there on things like these are generally in the area of
>"NASA made it unclear-therefore X"
and
> "NASA made it so high-res that it has to be photoshop'ed X"
with X usually referring to their
-aliens
-NASA's secret base
-space is fake because reasons
-Obama's birth papers.
In general, people seem to lack the understanding that just because a probe sees something with a certain "wow, wtf is that"-factor, it has limited possibility to focus only on that. DAWN has a limited amount of fuel, the whole flight-plan is planned years in advance, although with some leeway. There are thousands of pages in instructions on how the probe will study Ceres, coverin such as altitudes on the orbits, which sensors/cameras are used when, and so on. Then you have the limitations of tech, and choosing between high-altitude pics showing lots of stuff in little detail, and then you have the lower-altitude high-detail pictures that are currently coming in. Just because you notice something really cool in the low-res pictures dont mean that you should say "fuck it" to several years of pre-planned observations(although i wish we could).
Now, on top of that, you need time to process the data, analyse it, work out theories, and so, before releasing pictures/papers.
I consider myself a popsci-fag, and love watching stuff like this, and honestly i want it as fast as possible. Its the whole "NASA isnt showing the pictures due to X" as i mentioned above that i cant stand.
>>7946791
>if its bright from all angles, it's not a reflection
So snow is autolumiescent because it can't be reflecting light?
It's clearly cocaine. You can even see the razor scratches in the terrain around it .
>>7951545
Soo.....the cartels have a stash-house there. Surely we can get DEA to fund a rover-mission? They can even paint the rocer in tacticool black if they want.
>>7948764
Nah man that tree must be an alien.
>>7948880
Believing in extraterrestrial life doesn't require suspension of disbelief though.
>>7951462
You're a bit of a dickhead man, I recommend you interact with more people IRL.
>>7946146
>quoting neil smokedagrass tison
>>7946134
that's pretty cool
>>7948880
There's 100% certainty that life exists in the universe. You can't prove any god exists.
>>7951724
here's a superior version of that
Why is everyone just asserting that there aren't any new images coming out? This one was posted just yesterday, and there are plenty of others.
>The view was produced by combining the highest resolution images of Occator obtained in February 2016 (at image scales of 35 meters, or 115 feet, per pixel) with color images obtained in September 2015 (at image scales of 135 meters, or about 440 feet, per pixel). The three images used to produce the color were taken using spectral filters centered at 438, 550 and 965 nanometers (the latter being slightly beyond the range of human vision, in the near-infrared).
>>7953236
alien artifact buried under the sand confirmed.
>>7953226
Not as dank.
>>7953236
Pic was released after this thread started.
>>7953317
twice as dank
>>7953323
I know, but these threads go on for a while and I figured SOMEONE ought to have checked.
>>7953345
people are too concerned with complaining to check.
>>7953420
Yeah, I saw that.
Oh well.
I have the Occator's elevation data and I can't see anything out of ordinary. My guess is it's either salt deposits or ice
>>7953501
Well that's a nice popsci brainfart, but the scientist wants to know: how?
>>7953501
Looks like something is buried under the creater t̨bh f̨am
>>7946332
>Why does nasa doctor the FUCK out of their images to begin with?
I get this, they just want nice stitches and cool colours and shit. But isn't it basic science to also release the raw data, any raw data they gather, for everyone to play with?
>>7946788
Nice series of pics, so there is a mountain of salt inside the crater that's higher than the crater is deep?
So the bright spots are variable, what a bizarre feature! There must be some significant geological activity down there.
>>7953786
They do. The NASA website itself usually isn't where they put the actual data; it's mostly a PR interface, not where the scientists go.
For raw Dawn data, see http://sbib.psi.edu
This is them close up high res from NASA, learn to google OP
>>7955261
>released after thread started
Learn to read, stupid.
>>7955268
people posting in the thread today not mentioning these images, learn to read retard
>>7955309
Pic clearly refers to OP, shitlord.
>>7955047
>>7955047
>>7955047
>HI-RES IMAGE
