>memorize this
>memorize that
>memorize
Why do people enjoy this field? I'm in Chemistry 101 and man is it bad. I hate memorization classes. Surely there is more than memorization in further Chemistry classes, right?
>>7862521
You shouldn't memorize shit. You're not in college to memorize. You're in college to learn, now do that.
>>7862521
This is why I hate humanities. I'm a lazy piece of shit too lazy to memorize who said what whatever years ago.
In math you just memorize a couple of rules and it's good to go.
>>7862521
>Hating Chem 101
>Has no idea about Ochem
( ^ :
>>7862526
Professor didn't tell us how to learn this. He just said memorize pic related.
>>7862537
I was just being an asshole. But in all honesty you should learn why those compounds are ionized instead of just memorizing. It will help later on in stiocheometry.
>>7862533
Computer Engineer. I only need Chem-101, thankfully.
>memorize
Wrong way to do anything you need to actually "learn". However, it is a fucking great way for lazy profs and teaches to maintain high test scores so the university can keep putting fat people in the stadiums and taking their money.
>>7862537
how do you expect to learn anything at all if you don't want to memorise the most basic shit
how else would you learn it? youtube videos? grow the fuck up, millenial
>>7862521
You can probably work out a degree in chemistry if you memorize, memorize and memorize, and that is why women tend to choose chemistry instead of CS, for example. But really, if you want to solve real problems or create something new, purely mechanical memorizing does more harm than good.
I personally had the same impression of chemistry until I took an introductory in Organic chemistry. I was so impressed how logical it was that I did a full master's degree. Really, chemistry is just a flow of electrons and there are only a few basic rules you have to internalize and you are ready to play with the rules of nature. One important thing to learn in the start is that chemistry is a fuzzy discipline unlike CS or EE; most answers are not totally wrong, some answers are just better than others.
>>7862609
Does one really learn anything through memorization? It's more likely that people will forget the moment the test is done. At least with Math you can memorize, but if you don't understand the concept, enjoy getting raped.
>>7862537
you'll be taught why they wre named that way, probably
anyway, the names are not that difficult
does anyone even consider chemistry a science lmao? The shit's probably all wrong since it's a new field, might as well call it alchemy.
>>7862537
dude this is literally HS tier AP chemistry shit wtf man
>>7862521
>memorizing in chem 101
Holy shit, thank God that you are in business or women's studies. You'd be swinging in a closet after a few weeks of Ochem
>>7862537
Tbh this looks like a physicist memorising the basic equations of motion.
>>7862729
How bad is it compared to Calculus II, Calculus III, and Differential Equations? I passed those with B/B/A.
>>7862537
You seriously have problem memorising pic related? Maybe you're not college material...
>>7862537
>WHY THE FUCK DO I HAVE TO MEMORIZE THE ALPHABET, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO USE ENGLISH NOT LEARN IT.
>>7862781
Basically this. Go fuck yourself, OP.
Daily reminder that chemistry is shit.
t. a chemsit
>>7862798
The basic "language" of chemistry must be learned before you can study actual chemistry. As with any other field,
ITT : butthurt chemists
>>7862521
Well, chemistry is closer to cooking than real science IMO. If you really want to understand how chemical reactions work or why molecules are structured the way they are, you need basic physics.
>>7862521
Cuz you'll need it later dumbass!!!
And knowing is half the battle!!
What isn't memorization? Give me a single example.
>>7862890
>>7862728
not OP, but maybe it's because we are barely a month into the semester
>>7862556
> later
> in stoichiometry
Kek
Unless you're serious
>>7862779
>>7862781
It couldn't be taught through deriving it instead of memorization? Look at Math. You can memorize, but professors give you the proof on how the formula was formed, so a person can just learn to get to the formula instead of just memorizing it. Is there even that option in Chemistry?
>>7862944
Dude, 1st month of 2nd semester into fucking Chem 101 and you think learning to memorise a bunch of meme ions that you had to deal with in even the lowest HS chemistry classes is normal?
>>7862729
>Ochem
>dat filter class
Fucking rekt people who weren't ready for it.
>>7862537
Dood... if you cant bother yourself to memorize this shit you are fucked. Its not even that hard to do once you realize the system behind it.
Step up your game dude. This is pleb tier chem.
>>7863040
Stop saying dumb shit
>>7862777
It's really not that bad as long as you stay on top of the work.
>>7862798
>isn't any real learning
In chemistry? HAHAHA
>>7862537
>complaining about memorizing polyatomic ions
I hope this is a troll
>>7862915
no chemisty background here. just wandered in and taking a stab in the dark.
12n^2?
>>7863666
how the heck did you get that answer
im legitimately curious
>>7862915
is it 4n^2 + 5n?
>>7862521
>bazooper
>>7863671
Ok so n^2 is a way different number than n would be so I just canclled out the n's leaving me with
12n^2 + 5n... and then I just dropped the 5n because fuck it. sounds fun.
and posted it.
Whats the real way?
>>7863704
Hell ya, I was hella fucking close.
>>7863704
How is it 4n+5?
>>7863718
>>7863718
because the n's cancel out and you divide by 3.
I figured that shit out.
>>7862537
You shouldn't even have to memorize these, just work with them enough until it's second nature.
If you can't physically rationalize what you're taught in chemistry classes (besides nomenclature), you're either dumb or your instructor is shit.
The only people who think ochem is all memorization are retarded pre-med students.
>>7863736
dumb people gotta make rent too
>>7862537
honestly, as a senior chem major i just know those now. its not even important in what we do. its just something we know because we've been exposed to it so much.
>/sci/ hates philosophy
>has a lengthy discussion about what it means to learn something
>has a lengthy discussion on what it means to know something
If only you would open your stupid minds. People have been proposing answers to your questions for centuries but you're too dumb to listen.
>>7862521
>simply memories stuff
>never able to talk on an academic level
I don't doubt that people who memorize do well in the course. But they are honestly the ones who are dead crap to talk to/study with, they have no idea what to do on a lab when they fuck up. Literally take everything at face value.
And if you think is Chemistry is just memorizing, have you dug further or just posted on these threads?
>>7863688
[math]\frac{12n^2 + 15n}{3n} = \frac{3n(4n + 5)}{3n} = 4n + 5[/math]
>>7862781
I have never memorized the alphabet and I do English perfectly well.
>>7862883
The worlds needs cooks though
>>7863800
I'm retarded so I figured it as this: "12 roots squared plus 15 roots divide both by 3 roots. 4 roots + 5 roots, 9 roots."
So I fucked up by forgetting a number divided by it's self leaves only the coefficient.
>>7862537
all you really need to remember is
per-, -ate, hypo-, -ite, -ide, -ium, and what they correspond with along with the element.
>>7862521
>2016
>remembering the entire chemical name instead of the roots
once you remember the roots, you can remember stuff like:
hexamethylenetriperoxidediamine
1,2 methylenedioxymethamphetamine
hexamethylenetetramine
tetramethylorthosilicate
almost instantly
>>7863718
>>7863688
>>7863673
>>7863666
BRUH
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THIS BOARD
>>7863852
So you'd rather memorise cyclohexa-1,3,5-triene than benzene? Mein neger
>>7862521
>I'm in Chemistry 101 and man is it bad
You're literally in the toddler-chemistry-kiddie pool with your little pink floaties on with mommy standing right beside you, making sure you don't drown. Take Pchem and then get back to me.
>>7863800
That number text is sexy as fuck, fampie.
>>7863888
>cyclohexa-1,3,5-triene
Not gonna lie, this made me cringe hard af. Like nigga wut
>>7863950
If you are one of those guys who wank off to Pchem then you may as well just do physics. It's like physicists who wank off to ultra-rigorous theoretical maths, just do maths for fuck's sake.
>>7863979
Stay buttmad, lad.
>>7862537
Thank me later fag
https://www.deltacollege.edu/emp/preedy/Handouts/Nomenclature%20Handout.pdf
>>7863978
It's memorising the roots despite it not existing. :^)
>>7862521
No, chemistry requires memorization. You literally can't afford to mix up chemicals arbitrarily. There's a very good example of this on Breaking Bad.
>>7864016
>Breaking Bad
holy fuck this meme is annoying
>>7862537
I remember learning this in 11th grade.
>>7863979
check out this memester
>>7864021
The entire premise of the show revolved around a chemistry teacher. There really aren't all that many shows on TV where actual chemistry comes up. It just doesn't tend to be relevant in popular culture.
>>7862537
Are you expected to see the Formula, then tell it's name or the other way around?
I actually understand OP, people are often told that they need no memorization just to find out that is true, and not even always, for the advanced parts. I wish people were more honest and downright told new students that yes, they do have to learn by heart chemistry.
>>7862537
>my math teacher said to memorise all of the numbers all the way to 20
>my english teacher said to memorise all of the alphabet
>>7863888
or just remember the common name you autist; none of those chemicals have a common name that can be used in other chemical names.
>>7862915
It's 4n+5.
>>7862915
this is 4n + 5
basic ass shit, go back to year 10
>>7863805
subtle
>>7864223
Usually both
>>7862681
>Does one really learn anything through memorization?
all these mathfags that plague /sci/ you think they didnt have to memorise 2x2=4 and so on?
you need to lay the foundation for whatever shit you want to learn later on, not everything is a "deep understanding" wherein you have a house md moment and just "get" everything
>>7863466
OChem and Genetics (y2s1) were the biology filters 100%. Gen chem does a pretty good job of weeding out the turds but year 2 really hits them.
>>7864693
You should read the second part of that post.
