Project adeline is superior in everyway to what spaceX is doing.
>>Fuck spaceX go Airbus!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeline_(rocket)
>>7680341
so does it work or is it just a concept?
>>7680341
>wings at mach 5
>>7680341
>Project adeline is superior in everyway to what spaceX is doing.
No it isn't.
>>7680341
How does the aircraft almost double in size?
>>7680705
It inflates into a lighter than air blimp
thats how it lands
>>7681038
oh yea well why does it have the shape of an owl
>>7680341
>giant wings eat up huge portion of the payload mass
>fuel tank is unrecoverable
>the wings have propellers
>engine block has to be separated from the fuel tank somehow
>engine block has to be aerodynamic
Good luck.
>>7680341
>superior in everyway to what spaceX is doing.
Well, with Falcon 9, SpaceX is trying to land their entire first stages in good enough condition to simply refuel and refly without significant maintenance. This may be a proven and mature capability by the end of next year.
More on the timescale of Adeline, which is a post-Ariane-6 concept, SpaceX is also working on a fully-reusable rocket, both lower and upper stage, that runs on cheap LNG and doesn't consume any helium.
Let's see what Adeline's goals are...
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adeline_(rocket)
>The project engineers believe it could recover 20-30% of the cost of a flight at a added weight penalty cost of perhaps 10%.
>After the stage is exhausted, the engine module is jettisoned for reentry.
>a booster's main engines fly themselves back
>They would then be refurbished
Hmm...
would work in KSP/10
therefore it would work in IRL
There's a lot of paper rockets out there.
Ariane 6 will be a disposable rocket, and maybe make use of that Adeline thing later.
Read 2025-2030. By this time, SpaceX will have a fleet of falcon 9 1rst stages.
>>7680341
What's on your mind, bro?
Posting a european (french!) concept in this nest of spacex shills and expecting not to get insulted? not to receive simplistic and idiotic comments?
This is /sci/ mate. Decades of experience in spaceflight don't count, having the most developed rocket industry in the world doesn't count, having conducted studies on reusability since rockets even exist (and having found it's not really that profitable) doesn't count. The newcomer will always be right, whatever it does, because it is spacex, and they will save us all.
You know it for next time.
Here's what I see happening.
When SpaceX is confident it can nail its landing every time, they won't lower their price.
They'll use the money to make their first stage tough as fuck. They might as well make it of diamond because they know they'll get it back.
After a while, they get enough of those that they can launch as fast as they produce 2nd stages.
Then you lower the price and kill the opposition.
Use moneyz to ramp up 2nd stage production rate.
Repeat.
>>7681179
Adeline, like the ULA partial-reusability plan, isn't even aiming to keep up. It's a completely unambitious face-saving gesture that's never going to be built.
They're talking about recovering equipment worth 20-30% of the marginal cost of the launch, while reducing capacity by 10%. That's never going to be worth the development cost.
>>7680705
It gets closer to you. Faggot.
>>7681207
K you forgetting the benefits that project adeline has
instead of landing an entire 1st stage which require a fuck ton of fuel, just landing the engine with ultra-light electric propellers is more fuel efficient
Landing an entire first stage of a rocket has a lot of aerodynamical problems the drag is too large which causes unstability in the landing procedure.
>>There are way more pros of project adeline to the spaceX idea.
>>Dude who gives a fuck about the fuel tank?
the whole idea of this is to reuse the only expensive part of the rocket: the engine
>>7681184
This is exactly the scenario that is scaring Arianespace shitless. Thus the various crash programs to reduce the cost of operations: the smaller Ariane 6 design, use of Soyuz and Vega for smaller payloads, and pie-in-the-sky reusability concepts like Adeline.
This isn't the first flyback concept. Russia proposed flyback boosters as well, but never got the funding to fully develop it.
