Hey, do you think that going for med in school is really worth it? I mean all that time and money thrown away for something that would not come in the near future, would something from STEM fields be better?
>inb4 I suck at maths
>little to no money but big dreams
>>7678743
US or UK? or other?
>>7678757
The contracts are still up in the air. If you're on the fence about medicine, wait (if possible) to see what the monetary situation looks like.
Other than that, it's really a personal commitment to do more work than you get paid for (in terms of complexity, hours, emotional situation, etc)
>>7678819
What is... surprisingly strange, med is all about ''the more you study, the more you get higher in ranks'', which is somewhat deserved but meh
>>7678854
What I meant is, the salary of UK doctors is lower than it should be (in my opinion)
For example, using countries with "free" health care, Canada pays neurosurgeons a median of C$ 250,000, equivalent of £125,000. UK pays £100,000
neurologist £93,250 to UK £75,240
cardiologist £120k to UK £50.6k
cardiac surgeon £125k to £98k
orthopedic surgeon £122.8k to £78.5k
The discrepancy is massive. UK doctors are under paid. The government wants to fuck over new/junior doctors. Unless you really have a good reason for studying medicine, it's becoming a relatively bad situation to be in.
But I don't know everything, so make your own decision carefully
>>7678885
>mfw already been accepted to med school in the US of A
>mfw I will make boat loads of money
>mfw euroshits
>>7678889
Enjoy bankrupting people who need healthcare :^)
>>7678885
Thanks for sharing, I agree with the fact that UK are fucking up young people come out of Uni, starting from lowering extremely the students loan paid by the governement, it's all about the Uni and how generous they can be
>>7678743
>do you think that going for med in school is really worth it?
No it isn't. Get enough money for weed, vidya and beer and you're set for life.
>>7678889
Enjoy your hundreds of thousands in debt.
>>7678899
I have ambitions anon, I barely went out of the addiction to online games
>>7678743
Worth it for what? For money, no there are far easier ways to make money. If you're one of those fags that care about people and your passionate and shit it could be worth it.
>>7678903
>I have ambitions
Ambitions to be a slightly bigger cog in a somewhat different machine?
If you really had ambitions you'd not opt for medicine because it's a really punishing route where you really don't have much options.
If you were 20 and had a company valued over $200k, then that would be indicative of ambition. Going on a route where you'll be 25 with $200k in debt isn't much ambition.
>>7678909
Those easier ways are not always worth it for other factors, like studying business and pretending to be rich, when it's one of the most underpayed jobs, unless you have luck and know people
>>7678909
>care about people and your passionate
I can't imagine how these people don't kill themself when they start working. People seeking medical care are assholes. It's like a robot service line where they aquire defect self-service protocols and smear themself in feces instead of car wax.
>>7678915
As I said in the next post, to have that, you need luck or know people, by being no one and getting graduated in economics is really meh, you could just go straight to fill out the McDonald's CVs
>>7678885
you do realize the average income is about 20k, right?
>>7678952
The average of a pleb, but not of someone in med field
>>7678885
UK is oversaturated with MDs while Canada is not. Every profession has to deal with supply/demand curves.
>>7678952
I realize it's 20k.
I also realize that the average person getting 20k isn't tasked with taking tumours out of a persons brain and ensuring they don't die. Or performing heart surgery on a drunk person who got in a car accident. And the average person doesn't go through 5-6 years of university, and then several years of training in hospitals to earn an average salary. The average person doesn't work in a field where the psychological and emotional pressure is high enough to cause above average rates of suicide in their field.
>>7678970
Moot allow me to press the like button on this post
>>7678963
sure 271 per 100,000 compared to Canadian 220 per 100,000
>>7678978
You have more immigrants and poorfag welfare NEETs. Canada has more wealthy people willing to pay more for quality care.
If you don't want to live in a socialist country write your quals in the US or something.
>>7678952
>>7678970
>>7678982
I'm not a medical doctor though. I was on my way to becoming one after a masters/PhD by a graduate programme, but I don't care enough to help people who fuck themselves over through life style choices.
My point is simply to the OP that he won't be paid enough to validate becoming a doctor; he should do it because, essentially, he can't stand not becoming a doctor
>>7678990
What do you mean with the last period?
>>7679385
what?
>>7679394
What do you mean by "validate"?
>>7679385
If you wanted me to explain this part
>he should do it because, essentially, he can't stand not becoming a doctor
I mean, there are things that people really can't imagine their lives without.
It might be a woman who is abused by her husband, but doesn't leave him, because she can't stand being without him.
It may be that a girl cheated on you and you can't get rid of your feelings for her.
It's the same thing for some people about being a doctor, they can't imagine being anything other than a doctor, even though it may be a lot of work and pain.
For some doctors, it's when your ideals are stronger than the deterrents. A lot of doctors work unpaid over time because they care enough that they can't bring themselves to not help. They feel compelled to help. That is what I'm trying to say.
For OP, he should know that he wants to become a doctor. A reasonable amount of doubt is to be expected, just like when you get married you may feel doubts on the wedding day, because it is a large commitment. It'd probably take a 7 years minimum before you can work as a fully-qualified doctor, if you don't have that goal then you may burn out over time.
>>7678970
It's 3 times larger than average wage, it's literally the most well payed job in the UK (other than ones requires straight luck). You do realise engineers are lucky to make £50k here?
Wages are completely different and 70k will give you a very cushty life.
>>7679411
Thanks for sharing, kind words
>>7679407
Oh, I meant that if you're trying to do medicine and become a doctor just for the money then it wouldn't be enough, because you can work other jobs that require less hours or are more flexible and earn more money.
For example, being a cardiologist has a median salary of £50.6k in the UK. There are plenty of management jobs that can earn £60k+ without so much training and such unfavourable hours.
I mean, if you worked as a neurosurgeon in the US, you'd get $400k a year. Which may be worth it for you, since that is quite a large amount of money, equivalent to £265.2k in the UK (whereas the actual UK salary is £100k for neurosurgeons).
My point is, unless you enjoy cutting people up, and saving lives, and the "prestiege", becoming a neurosurgeon in the UK is too much work for the amount of money you get.
>>7678889
You won't see that boatload of money until your mid40s. You will be paying off loans(students, car, and house) for the rest of your life. Ask any accountant, and financial adviser. Doctors are the worse spenders. Also doctor pay is being cut because everyone now has healthcare and AMA/Congress want to open more med schools to meet the future demand of doctors. You should read on the dissanctification and suicide rates of doctors about their profession. The field is depressing. I believe you have to pay 25-50% of your income in malpractice insurance. Not to mention uncle sam fucks over the middle and upper middle class in taxes. Enjoy the lifetime of debt.
>>7679418
Sure, And Jeremy Hunt gets paid £134,565 a year for his health minister position whilst fucking up the NHS.
Why does some faggot who fucks shit up get 134k? 6.7 times larger than average wage
>>7679443
6.7 times the average wage*
not 6.7 times LARGER
>>7678743
>Hey, do you think that going for med in school is really worth it?
No.
They've got an evil system going, like a medieval guild. The professional organizations have it rigged to certify too few people to meet demand, and work new physicians like slaves for years just to pay off their debts. By the time they're through, they feel entitled to huge incomes by all the shit the last generation put them through, so they're sufficiently hostile to anything that could reduce their profits that they'll support another generation of this garbage.
People are catching on. It will be resolved from outside the profession. Already, regulators are finding ways to certify physicians through alternate means, such as promoting nurse practitioners and physician's assistants. At the same time, technology is rapidly improving that can make better, more consistent, less error-prone healthcare available despite less skilled personnel.
If you go through the hazing now, you will not receive the reward the last generation is dangling in front of you. Your M.D. isn't going to win you a higher net (after subtracting education costs) lifetime income than, say, a bachelor's in engineering, but you're still going to be worked like a slave into your 30s.
>>7679493
The NP and PA are going to be rolled out by 2020. The Boomers are truly lazy, greedy fucks. If you want to go into medicine wait until your early 30s. You won't have to deal with the bullshit. MD salaries are going to go down in the next 50 years.
>>7678743
if you can get a good gpa in a physical science then yes. dont even bother with biology as a major, med schools will throw your resume in the trash. A popular one seems to be chemistry. im a chemistry major and everyone in my subject both enjoys their major while some of them have dreams of going to med school. i can tell who is going to get in, and its a large percentage of us. im going to grad school for organic/organometallics, but i think chemistry *for the moment* is a solid route. the most important piece of advice i could give to an aspiring premed is "major in a subject you enjoy". take the prereqs for med school, and do what you actually like as a major. you will crash so hard if you get to junior /senior year and realize you arent going to get into med school and you are stuck with a useless biology degree. its useless.
to put it in perspective, i think there are roughly 50 chem majors in my class. there are about 1200 bio majors. you are fucked if you go into biology and dont get into med school.
>>7679438
>the field is depressing
this. abandoned my dreams of going to med school when i actually saw what they do. didnt help that my dad was the dying patient either.
it's not a greys anatomy episode in there. when a patient dies shit hits the fan. doctors were crying while telling us the news. they make the interns watch either out of respect for the family or to show them what happens when you fuck up. most likely both. If you are ok with being paid a fat salary to deal with people during the worst times of their lives, then go right ahead. Just realize an average day at work isnt going to be an episode of House.
>>7679493
>Your M.D. isn't going to win you a higher net
That`s pure garbage. A M.D gains lot of more than an engineer in average
