How easy is it to get a degree in physics when you have a master in math?
>>7660665
I wish Cirno was posted more often in math-related threads.
Should be very easy, it's just applied math.
>>7660665
Completely different ways of thinking. Some mathematicians can't do physics even if their life depend on it, some can do it and they are good at it. It's up to you.
>>7660665
People get physics degrees without a math masters? That's like the bare minimum entry requirement.
>>7660679
What are you on about?
>>7660680
Physics requires lots of math knowledge
>>7660680
>What are you on about?
Major politics. Ignore him, he's retarded.
>>7660665
for anime-watching neckbeard faggots, impossible
>>7660681
Depends on what kind of physics, but yes. However, it's not so mathematical that you would need a maths degree just to enter a physics program.
Some theoretical physics might be getting close but even so.
Also OP is being very vague about this, what kind of degree (I assume PhD) and what kind of physics?
>>7660690
Can you actually get into a Physics PhD programme with math degree?
>>7660725
if you value your academic career in the slightest
do not come to this shithole for advice, especially when it comes to maths and physics
>>7660759
I'm not in math or physics, I'm just curious.
>>7660725
It's a mixture of people filtering down and high flyers.
Maths filter down into theoretical physics.
Theoretical physics down to physics.
There are people who studied physics taking theoretical physics phds, but you better be top of your class with a wealth of experience.
This is all for the UK.
As for maths majors going into physics.
I've seen many a math guy fail or do worse than expected in physics classes because they arrogantly expect that since maths is 'purer' than physics and physics includes some maths then physics must be 'easier' than maths.
It's not. It's just different.
Physics is stamp collecting, and I say this as a physics graduate myself. Maths is unfettered by such annoyances as real world data and junk. The type of person who enjoys pure abstract mathematics often finds the dizzying complexity of the actual universe difficult.
Our physical laws are stunningly complicated approximations. The real universe is not as clean as pure mathematics.
The crossover is complicated. Few on either side can successfully straddle both.
>>7660801
I was talking in a more administrative sense.
Can you get into physics grad-school with a math M/B or will you need to take undergrad physics classes first?
>>7660679
Physics is literally applied mathematical methods. It does not involve a lot of math. Just a lot of learning mathematical methods.
>>7660665
Let me share a snippet of a conversation I had with my master's advisor before entering the physics program.
>I didn't do my undergrad in physics.
>"You might have to take some remedial courses, then. But you did math, right? It's no problem."
>I did pure math.
>"Oh. Then yes, you should take Dr. [Chairman]'s morning class first."
Pure math literally has nothing to do with physics.
Applied math will give you a leg up, if you focused on differential geometry or linear algebra.
>>7660835
They really are fairly unrelated.
I talked to math majors who had never heard of the maths I was studying. Similarly they were studying down to such abstract levels I never knew even existed.
>>7660725
You need some basic chemistry background to go farther than physics w/calc 1
Are you the mathbro who always posted cirno. Do it we believe in you
>>7660725
>Can you actually get into a Physics PhD programme with math degree
I've seen physics professors recommend it.
>>7660800
This
>>7660665
Mathematics is the language of Physics.
Do you need a degree in English to study Literature? You will be more fluent, yes, but it won't make you a better author.
>>7660835
>Physics is literally applied mathematical methods. It does not involve a lot of math. Just a lot of learning mathematical methods.
>Pure math literally has nothing to do with physics.
You literally don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>7660665
>>7660801
At Cambridge they sometimes tell people who did badly in the 1st year of the Maths tripos to switch to Natural Sciences or Physics. So it is true on the undergrad level.
>>7662382
High school math teachers and CS double majors lower the average for math.
>>7662382
>over 75% of Health Professionals being female
I wonder what those stats would look like if they removed nursing, pharmacy and whatnot and only included medicine, biomed scientists and dentists
>>7660725
You could probably scrape by if you do a graduate diploma of physics before starting your PhD. One freak of nature at my university managed to complete a PhD in pure mathematics without even having a undergrad degree.
>>7662382
pretty much what I expected
>>7661628
i laughed way harder than I should have
>>7662382
>40% females in math undergrad
what about grad school? There are 3 girls in my program and they are all qts
It'll take a week or so, but that's one week of not earning 300k/year
>>7660679
A math masters should be a prerequisite for the following:
>physics
>biology
>neuroscience
>sociology
>computer science
>economics
>>7662376
>all dat reading comprehension tho
>>7662768
This is probably lumping together "math education" majors with actual math majors.
Those bitches only have to re-learn high school shit. The rest of their coursework is all education or history.
>>7661628
Aside from labs, math majors suffer more than Physics majors.
>>7662776
>physics
Yes
>computer science
>economics
Maybe
>biology
>neuroscience
>sociology
No
>>7663277
Physics labs are easy as shit
>>7663446
Sociologists need better stats knowledge if they ever want to be anything more than a meme
You pretty much need a math undergrad to get into any good econ graduate program
>>7664315
hahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahah coming from a chem fag too ahahahahhahhhahhahhhahhhahhahhahhahahh
>>7662376
>implying pure math and math methods are the same thing
Whut
>>7662768
>tfw with a mathenatcian qt
>she's platinum blond, blue eyed Aryan woman
>tfw blond straight white male applied math+engineering double major
Our children are going to be the whitest, wealthiest, most privileged academics in the world.
>>7665870
>applied math+engineering double major
You combined the two degrees that people who are too stupid to take the real thing do
>engineering
dumb man's physics
>applied math
dumb man's math
>>7665871
I mean you can tell yourself that. I know that not a single actual acadenic out there would actually agree with you though.
>>7665862
>implying they are disjoint
>>7664437
You don't need to take galois groups to do basic statistics. Writing skills and history are far more important.
But, you're right about economics. With computer science, it really just depends on what field you are interested in. HCI requires much less mathematics than algorithms or security.
>>7665874
I know I'm just memeing you friend ;)
I'm just jealous of you're qt math gf tbqh
>>7665876
What textbook is this?
>>7666501
Peter Szekeres: A Course in Modern Mathematical Physics
>>7665876
fuck m8
>ordered it
>>7663446
Not the guy you replied to, but I know for a fact that biology has some complicated math-like stuffs, especially when it comes to making up models, though admittedly I doubt its anywhere near the level of a math masters.
If physics is applied applied math, is Computer Science applied pure mathematics?
>>7668327
There is no math in CS. Fucking around with logical quantifiers doesn't make it "ultra pure math"
>>7668331
>I never studied CS
My CS degree required group theory, lattice theory, set theory, combinatorics, real analysis, linear algebra, numerical analysis, probability and stats etc.
>>7668331
I'm too unenlightened about pure maths to know if you're serious or trolling.
>>7667280
>Peter Szekeres: A Course in Modern Mathematical Physics
Thanks.
>>7668372
>group theory,
For what?
>>7668372
trivial, trivial, trivial, trivial, trivial, trivial, trivial, and trivial
>>7668372
No graphy theory or category theory? Your school was shit.
>>7668384
He probably thinks modulo arithmetic and Euler's theorem makes up a sizable chunk of group theory
>>7668397
All undergrad math is trivial desu
>>7662382
this is true.
physicists are smarter and sharper than mathematicians. a lot of them graduated with a double major in mathematics and know a decent amount of mathematics. they also have a higher competency for reading and writing.
most of the people i know that superbly bright are studying physics. im a pure math major, a lot of us tend to be more dull, and dumber than physics major.
physics is harder than maths. so they are smarter people working in there. but probably applied maths major bring down the score, but whatevs.
>>7668431
>Being THIS obvious a physics major shill
That chart was literally made by a physicist who got kicked out of academia and is based on GRE scores - a test which only physicist take seriously because they are competing for grad-school spots while it's more of a formality to mathematicians for which there is less competition at that level and the best of the profession major graduates are all entering industry for that 6 figure starting.
The chart is delusional.
>>7662382
>tfw CS is dragged down by brogammers who want to create phone apps
>>7668436
I didn't know that, thank's for telling me.
I'm amazed, you dug up on it...
>>7668125
Just ordered it too, looks perfect for based on the reviews. I've been looking for an intermediate between early undergrad and Nakahara tier.
>>7668443
Well I knew there were no official stats on IQs of college majors because I had looked for myself before.
OIson's blog cites another blog which cites the original source...fucking Motl, should've known.
>>7662397
It's a bit of a special case, that one.
Natural Sciences at Cambridge is a bit funky in the sense that you do four subjects in your first year, one of which is maths and only one of which can be physics. So if you miss the first year of NatSci you didn't miss as much physics as you might think, especially since you already know the maths.
Hence for someone struggling with maths on their first year the easiest and most natural option is to try physics since it doesn't require too much catch-up at that stage. It's also something that mathematically inclined people are often interested in, hence it's a sensible recommendation.
>>7668436
>Fucking Lubos Motl
kek, every time
Met him irl too once, dude's a fucking nutcase. Don't know why he was kept more than a day at Harvard.
>>7668475
why did they kick him?
>>7668465
Is it that hard to catch up a year of maths if you just did poorly (i.e. didn't fail)?
>>7668481
Cambridge tripos is arguably the most difficult programme on the planet. You can't really compare it to "normal" math degrees.
>>7668484
>yurop universities
>"difficult"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Math_55
>>7668486
>Math 55
>difficult
Vastly exaggerated myth. Essentially slightly more difficult than the American norm.
If you compare the actual coursework and progression to the tripos core curricula it's laughable.
>>7668481
I wouldn't know about maths specifically since I don't study it.
The thing is that if you're actually trying and can't keep up with the courses during the first year it doesn't bode well for future years. The pace is considerable and if you can't keep up then there isn't much that anyone can do about it.
>>7668488
Post curricula?
>>7668484
I don't really see the point of the tripos? It is not really that impresive considering everybodying taking it is a literal genius.
>>7668491
http://www2014.maths.cam.ac.uk/undergrad/course/schedules.pdf
>>7668499
That's so vague it barely says anything at all
>>7668501
Nevermind, there are quite a few pages lol. Still, looking at "Part A" it's just
trivial
>>7668502
Part IA is the first year.
Reminder that mathematicians can only do trivial mathematics because all the maths they know is trivial and all the maths they don't know is useless.
>>7668498
Are they? Anyone on /sci/ got accepted there? Can anyone confirm or share stories about the course?
>>7668514
I'm doing Physics.
Usually when people talk about mathmos the word 'autistic' is thrown around, even by mathmos themselves and some of my supervisors.
>>7665876
Shouldn't you know about linear algebra when doing physics? Or is it like a reference book?
>>7668519
That text is obviously written for students who have done basic bitch LA and calc.
>>7668499
>tfw i'll never be as good as these guys
What's with all the math shilling?
Math minor here. The only reason I'm completing the minor is because the proof courses are enjoyable and easy.
Occasionally I try to work out trivial problems in geometry/graph/group/etc theory from the University Problem Sets just because I like drawing shapes on my whiteboard.
Anyone explain to me why majoring in mathematics is useful besides "muh pure elitism".
>>7660665
Watch this OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk8q500rYo4
>>7662382
>>7668431
>>physicists are smarter and sharper than mathematicians
No.
>>7668869
>r=-0.08
>>7668431
might be true, but physicists are generally not interested in deductive mathematics which makes them idiots.
>>7668436
>mathematicians for which there is less competition
Is this true nowadays though?
>>7670523
Meaningless measure anyway
>>7668499
It doesn't look all that different from other universities.
