I've always really wanted to be a girl, but I look at my body and I know I won't pass as a woman.
It really makes me want to die, should I just save myself the hassle and just off myself now?
See a psychiatrist. Also go on /lgbt/, /r9k/ will just tell you to kill yourself, which you shouldn't do.
Good luck anon. Best wishes.
>>30022338
But there's like 3 people on /lgbt/ so I guess I have no other choice.
Be like me then.it's a last chance effort. Who cares if you're just gonna off yourself?
>>30022432
Seems like an awful waste of time.
>>30021997
Or you know, get over it and live as a male like you're su-fucking-pposed to
>>30022476
So? There's the off chance you'll be decent.
>>30022488
>just stop feeling this way
>just stop being anxious
>just stop being depressed
>>>/fa/cebook
>>30022514
Maybe, but transitioning would really fuck things up.
>>30021997
Gib measurements and estimate of muscle amount
>>30022568
I don't have any idea of those numbers, but I can tell you that my shoulders are very broad and my legs are huge and no matter what I do they won't get slimmer, not sure if muscle or just fat.
>>30022555
So? If it's what you want just fucking do it. You won't have possessions or relationships six feet under.
If it would fuck things up for you, then you're a fucking normalfag anyway. If that's the case then, who the fuck cares? I just don't see why people have these stupid fucking hesitations. It's like you want to be a hon. You can't be a tranny normalfag anyway.
>>30022568
Post str8 on face and profile. Post body too. I'll dash your hopes if you want me to.
>>30021997
Instead of focusing on things you can't change, learn to accept what your body is
>>30021997
You don't actually want to be a girl.
You just fantasize about being a hot girl.
You probably wouldn't trade who you are now to end up as a landwhale or ugly black bitch or mid-40s below average mom or something.
If you were an attractive and tall male with average intelligence and social skills, you wouldn't even entertain these thoughts beyond maybe some occasional borderline faps.
>>30022642
The point is that people are notoriously bad at assessing themselves objectively. Even little fucking 5'5 fuckfaces with 30" shoulders will complain about how tall they are and how wide their shoulders are. Without numbers or photos your "word" is useless
How old are you, anon? It's pretty important for transition success.
>>30022724
>>30022678
>>30022649
Its like 3AM if anyone cares enough about measurements or something I'll post in like 10 hours.
>>30022761
19
>>30022761
After 16 it isn't, you fucking retard.
>>30022818
Ehhh, that's not a terrible starting age, but since your in my bracket, you should know that you could be a hon like me.
>>30022818
19 is a good age actually, about the earliest that can be reasonably expected, given that one has to come to terms with the whole trans thing.
Don't get caught up in imagining that you won't pass. If you do start now, you've still got a lot of growing and changing ahead of you. Don't try to repress it owing to fear if you're sure of what you want - it won't work, and you'll miss your moment.
Go and book a talk with a GP or specialist and take it from there. It takes a while to get hormones legally depending on where you live, so at least get started down the road.
Personally, I started at 20, and after a year and a half I've had great success, mentally and physically.
If you have any questions about it I'll help you out, I know /lgbt/ is dead and or full of shitposting.
>>30022877
>After 16 it isn't, you fucking retard.
Why on Earth are you so hostile...? Of course it's important, your body doesn't stop growing and developing until latest 25 depending on when you experienced puberty.
I have been going through the same thing for the last 5 years anon. The worst part is that my body shape and face could pass but im 6"4, have huge feet and a horrible deep voice. I could have dealt with being considered an unnatractive girl from the height and feet, but the voice just seals the deel that ill never be able to pass.
>>30022979
Well, thanks but hormones won't take care of my worries about looking like a hulk woman...
>>30023011
I'm a bitter hon that started at 17 with hope since I fell for the age meme. It's minimal unless we are talking 25+.
Don't know where else to post this so I'll post it here
>me and two other guys all thru high school
>everyone thinks we are gay but we really aren't.. yet
>we all grow up, I end up super cute and feminine and they hint that I'm gay but I never own it
>realize I AM a flaming fag but stay in the closet, even to them.
>stay in closet for years
>friend comes to town today, I can't hold it in anymore
>"anon, I'm so gay. I like wearing women's clothes, I like being fucked in my boipucci, I need to be put on a leash"
>he is completely dumbfounded.. After all these years, I actually am a trap and want his dick
>some day soon I will visit him, and he will put me on that leash.
I don't think there's any way to be happy once this particular mental illness infests you. Hopefully it's not too disruptive for you and you're capable to forget about it and live a normal mans life. Gender identity disorder is the AIDS of mental disorders, it's always fatal.
Save yourself the hassle and realise you are a man with some problems. Please don't kill yourself though. If anything it's self hatred which has lead to your gender disorder in the first place. Learn to accept who you really are.
>>30023235
I have heard that it can spontaneously go away for some people, i have been waiting for 5 years and it hasnt happened yet so im guessing it takes much longer.
>>30023160
Actually, they may well do. One of the effects of hormones for me was that I stopped worrying about needing to fill a mould marked 'typically feminine'. Transitioners trying to overcompensate is one of the most common ways in which they are clocked.
As for your worries right _now_, hormones will change you for the better if you give them time to. You might be worried anon, but _everybody_ goes through this same stage. As sensible as it is to have anxiety over big changes, I think your fear isn't justified. If you do a bit of digging and enquiring about how exactly hormones will change your body, you can get a more realistic perspective.
Obviously it's not for everybody to transition, but if you're serious about starting but merely feel it's impossible, then please try to look beyond the fear and at least get a professional perspective / therapy (be aware the latter can delay an application for hormones though, making an already long process even longer).
>>30023201
I'm sorry to hear that you've not had the best successes, but I still think it's fair to say that age matters a lot for most people and right to let somebody else know that. Did you possibly have an early puberty? Why don't you think you pass? What e and t-blockers did you use (assuming MtF but correct if wrong)?
Feel free to not answer if you don't want to but I'm not looking to argue at least.
>>30021997
suck it n00bs, i pwn u on RoonSkeip
>>30023408
I appreciate these very informative replies but hormones can't change my height and I will always be self conscious about that, but anyway I need to get to sleep now, so goodnight.
>>30023487
No problem anon, it's up to you. Take care of yourself.
>>30023408
I had low-t, but beards came in early in my senpai. Like 13? is when puberty hit. Was on Spiro, but I was on lithium and I fucked my shit up, so I went on finasteride. My levels are in the proper ranges, but my jaw and chin fucked me. My browbone fucks me, but that's not as bad. Honestly, I hate how ppl think that if you are on t blockers before 18 you will pass. You need the genetic lottery on your side, and yeah age decreases your winning chances by 17-25 is a bracket before a sudden dip.
Oh, I've been injections this whole time tho. My levels are good, but that don't mean shit when you have a fucked bone structure. I need ffs to have a chance.
>>30023487
There are tall people that pass, and people like me who are 5'4" and don't.
>>30023532
13? Well despite low-t it sounds like an early puberty. Not sure what effect t actually has on when puberty starts... maybe we should be asking potential transitioners when they experienced puberty, rather than how old they are, huh?
Genetics are important for sure, at least to achieve your absolute ideals. I've known MtFs who just can't stop getting fat on their stomachs rather than anywhere nicer (thighs, legs, breasts). I'm the opposite and I know I'm pretty 'lucky' for that, but then there's things I miss out on and am not as fond of in myself as well.
Maybe try and consider the whole picture, though... stuff like your chin, I mean, I think you're paying more attention to this than anybody else is likely to.
>>30023759
Oh, most of my weight is on my thighs too lol. My chin stands out too much not to notice it. My jaw is fucked, as well. I'm doomed to trannybangs until I can get a fucking appt with Spiegel.
Anyone can get thighs with work. You can put muscle where you want it. You can't put effort into almost 16" shoulders. You can't put effort into a terrible jaw. You can only mask it. Masking to achieve passing isn't passing, since I know what the fuck I look like. If you don't pass to yourself, you don't pass ever. You won't recognize that you do,so you won't. When you pass to yourself, you have an easier time passing, and if you aren't a fucking Susan's hon, then you can pass with effort then.
>>30023879
Don't see it as 'masking', see it as de-emphasising your less-preferred elements and playing up your preferred ones. big thighs sounds like a real plus, I know people who cut off their right arm for that. There are ways to dress, allign yourself etc., to alter how you look in context - you probably already know about some such resources and where to find them, but you could also try to consult a professional about tips for this.There's some seriously talented people out there.
If you're looking for a moment where the penny drops, where you look at yourself and tick a mental box that says 'I pass now', you probably won't find it. Most of the changes I've experienced have actually been noted by others - my face changing and improving in various ways, for example, my chest ballooning and so on. Because we see ourselves every day, there's never going to be a moment where you see yourself as 'passing' suddenly. That's what I think, in any case. How long have you been on hormones?
>>30024036
Ehhh, I mean I could pass with contouring and shit I think. I've had people disagree with me on how I look, but that could be hugboxing. At least I see it that way. Unless it's negative I'm p fucking skeptical about taking the comment to heart. This is p much my daily oversized shirt and dead inside look.
I've been on blockers since Nov '14 and estrogen for 11 mo. I'm getting a haircut this week tho I think. And make up is hard af. I need to git gud with it. Been watching YouTube shit on it.
(trip off because this is most recent I have not the best one I have.)
>>30024221
Oh shit it's you. I got drunk with you one night. Brooo.. just be gay if you wanna be, what's holding you back? Keep dat long hair, get better at makeup and if you need motivation just remember you won't be young and cute forever.
>>30024221
I started e as soon as I started t-blockers, were you indecisive about being on e or was there some other reason you didn't start both like financial constraints? Sleepless Brit here so for me it's all been free on the NHS.
Without a comparison of before I couldn't estimate how much success you've had, but looking at just this you honestly don't look bad at all, not whatsoever the image I conjure up when I think of 'hon' (the term you described yourself with, that is). No stubble, hair is messy but looks of nice quality, long lases, small nose, chest progressing quite well... I think something with a higher neckline would suit you, and would draw attention from your chin which you mention being self-conscious about. You could possibly wear something more shapely that shows off your bdy a bit better, the confidence would really sell it. Overall, pretty good - and I hope you won't see that as hugboxing because I'm just anon here.
>>30024403
Wait, what? When did I get drunk with a bot?!???!??!?!!?!!??? Ahhhhhh, when was this?!?!? Was it at a show? Or like what???? I don't know or remember this..... Also, I can't pass since I don't have the features. If you've seen me IRL then you know that. Also, you can atest to the fact that I look worse IRL right?
>>30024436
I wasn't stable. Umm I p much look he same. I just look like I don't care most days. I need money for good clothes tho.
>>30024532
>I need money for good clothes tho.
Share this feel. One of these days it's going to all come together for me, and for you too I hope. Good luck anon.
>>30024636
Glhf anon. Hopefully one day we will know what ASAP Rocky meant.
>ywn have that crispy look
>>30024532
Uhh well, we didn't actually get drunk together we were just both in a drunk thread. You probably don't remember me, I only said like three things I generally lurk. I am a lurker. I am the Zerg.
>trannyposters will at some point always kill themselves
feels pretty good knowing you guys get what's coming to you for shitting up this board
>>30024915
Anyway, everyone looks worse irl but point is you're cute and could pull it off, maybe not always pass but perhaps it's the submission you want. I didn't realize that about myself for a long time. Now I do, and I'm fucking based.
>>30024915
Ohhhh OK. I was probs gone by then. Omen anon. I thought you might have seen me drunk IRL, since I'm normally p high when I'm drunk too, and that looks terrible. I just want to pass as a grill. Even a masc one would be fine.
>>30025019
But I'm not cute and I just want to pass. I don't want anything else at this point.
>>30025187
Bruh, you're cute, what makes you think you can't pass? Your face is cute, with makeup I honestly believe you would pass. I can't see your body but do you not like it? If you want to lose weight, hit the gym! If you want to lose fat, get off the estrogen! Estrogen makes you fat! If you want to pass, find out what works and doesn't work with your features. There's so much wiggle room, trust me on that.
This is the truth and it's going to sting. You can be a flaming, cross dressing faggot if you want to be. But you can't be a woman. You weren't born a woman. Gays emulate women. You can be gay. Being gay is great - I am gay. But you can't be a woman.
>>30024221
In all honesty i think you could pass. You look like a girl, not a model but a girl non the less. And thats what really matters in the end
>>30023532
The positive is that you have a strong foundational bone structure, at the very least you may look pretty after ffs!
>>30025400
Yep, and you can't fully appreciate cross dressing until you realize how often you want to do it ( all the time. ) which makes you wish you were a girl.. which makes you realize you CAN'T be one.. but then you still have crossdressing. The best activity. And you get to be as gem as you want. People, pleb included.. just should be gay. "Trans", just like BLM, is by and large a joke.. I hope you're not too far gone to realize that. Because just being a male who cross dresses, it's quite awesome.
>>30025544
I have broad shoulders as well.. Btw I haven't read this thread, I just saw that shoulder part. I'm sorry lol I should read the thread. But shoulders are a good example of things you can work on with clothing, see pic example! These are my fav shirts lol probably because of my shoulders.
>>30024221
Lose some weight, it would make you twice as pretty.
>>30025544
I didnt start wanting to be a girl because of crossdressing, that came long after i realized, like 4 years after. Its a mental disorder that is being enabled by current society, we have no other options right now. Its nothing like being gay and simply wanting to dress like a girl. There is more to it
>>30025660
He has really pretty features, with the right makeup and fashion he would surely pass.
>>30025334
My chin can't pass. My jaw can't pass. My brow bossing can't pass. My shoulders can't pass.
I just want to pass though. I can lose weight on estrogen, but not having it makes me sleep all day and do nothing. I'd rather not live as a dude. Trannies are in the nether of the dichotomy. You can't change that you were born a man, and you'll never be a woman. I know that. I just want to pass. I don't care. I want to go out without being paranoid because of being a visible tranny.
>>30025400
Who tf are you looking at senpai? I look like a fucking man.
>>30025536
No. I have fucking Chad skull.I have his shoulders too.
>>30025544
Honestly I just don't care what like ppl think of trannies are dudes or men thing. I'm gonna pass or die trying, since I want shipman to do my ffs at this point.
>>30025653
Almost 16 inches is massive on my fucking hips and my height.
>>30025660
I'm trying to desu. I might be able to get a lot of the stuff I needed money for from my parents so I might user that money to but my soylent ingredients, so I don't just eat what my parents make and I can have x amount of calories pre determined daily.
>>30025733
I actually really agree with this.
>>30025759
Not until after ffs.
>>30025806
You can continue to wallow in you self pity or you can get constructive with your situation. Regardless of what you think you know about femininity and bone structure, a chad skull will make for a great base, ffs that's thought out and mixed with the right hrt config will you do fine. How tall?
>>30025901
5'4". It doesn't matter. My jaw kills any hope. Have you not seen my fucking face? You see my fucking shoulders and no hips, how the fuck can anyone work with that?
>>30021997
It's okay. Just transition as far as you feel comfortable. Whatever helps, honestly. You don't have to be full time girl, you can just be a more feminine looking guy while you save up for FFS or something. Don't kill yourself before you even try.
>>30025733
Maybe I just don't understand it. I fucking hate society.. it's so fucked right now. But I think a new era is coming. The end of political correctness is near, senpai.
>>30025806
A lot of people, MOST people wish they had a face that cute. You definitely can pass, it's very hard to believe otherwise. Obviously it would take makeup, I don't know any mtf that it wouldn't but heck a lot of women look like men without makeup lol. And I love makeup, it's super fun. Lol. I donno what to tell you man, but I hope you feel better, and give yourself credit to have been blessed with nice looking features.
>>30025806
you're pretty cute.
original oregano
>>30025927
Lmao are you a troll? I just saw that fucking picture... You're cute as hell wtf? You could pass for a cutie tumblr-lez no problem...
>>30025806
I said before that i thought you could pass, i hate hugboxing and accept that my own face cant pass. Remember that girls faces can have flaws as well, your jaw seems to be your only issue and the fact that you are chubby hides your sholdours being wide well. If you had showed me your picture and said you were a girl i would have believed you. You are not a pretty girl but you can still pass as a average/slightly below average yet chubby girl
I have said it already but remember that girl's faces can be flawed as well. I really want you to understand this
>>30025956
>>30025999
>>30026021
Honestly I'm pretty fucking ugly. I mean I'm trying to git gud with it, but like even then it won't make me pass without ffs.
>>30025999
Checked, but I'm not. It's angles and meme magicks.
>>30026021
I wish I was. I'm not cute at all. I don't fucking get this meme. I'm above average in things that you want smaller to be fem, and larger where you want smaller.
>>30026055
For someone that hates hugboxing, you're doing a lot of it. Those shits are almost 16" from end to end. Do you know how fucking huge that is?
>>30026104
OK, but when there are overwhelmingly masculine features that no longer looks like a girl.
>>30026055
I agree accept for the fact that I genuinely find him/her attractive
>>30026131
post another pic, maybe it is the angle.
>>30026131
Nope, you're legit perf. Its annoying you don't see what I see because its so beautiful. I your more special this way though
>>30025806
do you have a cute voice?
>>30026131
The average female shoulder size is 17". You're good.
>>30026131
Bleh he's not hug boxing you just can't accept yourself. I have to go watch Don Lemon get destroyed by David Clarke, peace out and I hope u just become gay some day. I felt like you, then I realized gay was the closest I was gonna get and life got a hell of a lot easier.
>>30025806
cute, manly, chiseled jaw
Hey there, tomodachis!
Is anyone here a gay anime or a mentally ill tranny? I wanna talk to you.
>>30026131
I said i hate hugboxing becuase im trying to emphisise that im telling the trutg. Its important to be careful with how confident you think you look but you are being too anxious about it. I cant pass, most people cant but you can to a decent degree, i dont want to see you waste the opportunity to be happy.
>>30026180
Have a meme angled one.
>>30026191
I'm not. Not at all senpai.
>>30026211
No. Its worse than everything else. Nobody will hear my voice unless I meet up with them.
>>30026214
I'm not. The average female has hips too.
>>30026235
Ehhh, I'll probs rev up the nitrogen that day desu. I just want to pass.
>>30026277
>tfw manly jaw
It's a fucking curse.
>>30026281
I'm a p fucking obvi tranny. I'm not a trap, but an ambush. :^(
>>30026282
Look at my fucking face. Most people have wayyy better chances than me. I have no idea what the fuck anyone here sees.
>>30026373
I know rational thought won't get through to you, all I can say Is I think a lot people including myself would be happy to cuddle and spend a great many days with you.
>>30026489
just give up. She expects an unnattainable standard of beauty from herself, and applies too much meaning to it.
>>30026489
I honestly don't see why. I'm not really desirable. I've been over my looks, even then I'll just think that you're going to leave me all the time. Really, you shouldn't be wanting anything to do with me.
>>30026617
lolno. I'd be down with being ugly but passing, but that's not really in my cards.
>>30026778
are you worried I'll leave you :(
i won't
You don't want to be a girl. You want to be a hot chick that can live out your fantasies and fetishes, that gets the love and attention that women receive, and let me tell you mate that you won't be having any of that.
Sure, if you have a load of money you could get tons of plastic surgery like Bruce Jenner, but if you're here chance are you don't.
You won't get guys attention unless you're in a Bangkok nightclub and they're specifically looking for a ladyboy. The only chance you would have with a woman is with a Tumblrina crazier than you who wants to virtue signal.
You will never be a girl, Anon. Sooner than you think we'll have quality immersive VR that you could fantasize in, but you'll never live out your dreams in real life. This isn't a dojin or DeviantArt story and no witch is going to magically make you a babe.
>>30027502
lmao
there's nothing in OP's post that would suggest that, please generic tranny replies elsewhere.
>>30026373
You look fine. Chill out nigga
