who else here would transition but has too masculine a frame to even remotely pull it off? life is misery.
>>29837700
Me. I'm also too ugly in addition to not having the frame for it. Life sucks indeed.
>>29837700
you are killing me anon, i hate my wide shoulders and narrow hips.
life is misery and i cant do anything about it, ill be another number in the tranny suicide stats soon enough
I feel so bad reading those threads. Some of you really must have a more female brain (or whatever) and really feel like you should have been born as girls.
Some of you just fell for the traps meme though and need to get over it.
hey girls please post this on mtfg, not on r9k
thank you
>>29838873
The majority of lgbt is completely normalfag and will tell robot posters to go back to /r9k/. It's a never ending cycle.
>>29838849
Every group of people has a dumb subgroup, I guess.
But you can't really know in wich one you are.
> get over it.
Helium will fix everything, eventually.
HRT will stop you from progressing into a man. I think I would rather be a manish looking women then a man. Feminine looks are still more attractive me.
>>29839065
>tfw have already progressed into a man but not in a good way
Hoping I'll die in my sleep
>>29839130
me to senpai, becoming a woman seems like a hopeless dream
>>29839387
It is for all too many of us. I'd only end up an ugly man in a dress. It's something I'll never be able to achieve and I hate myself for it everyday.
look at timelines and vlogs? Transitioners in their 20s don't look that bad. Better then the alternative.
>>29839671
iktf all too well. i want to believe theres hope, but im afraid to find out
Nope. I'm a big, muscular, hairy fucker and I love it. I really want to slam some qt boipucci though.
>tfw no submissive little sissy faggot gf who only lives to make you cum
Why don't you sad fucks just try hrt for like 6 months? What if you like it? You can always just stop if you don't like what you see, you'll never find out otherwise.
And yes you do go back to normal 100% after you stop taking mones.
>>29837700
Yup. I just ended up accepting that I'll only ever be able to imagine myself as a cute girl. Hopefully good VR or medical techniques will arise within my lifetime.
>>29840413
I'm too old at this point. I wish I would have had the resources to try it when I was younger even though I'd never pass anyways.
>>29837700
>wide shoulders
>wide hips
>196cm
>can never be the pretty girl next door type I should have been
Just kill me, senpai
>tfw no bf who is really a transgirl with no chance of passing to live through me
>>29840548
See >>29840634 you can still be cute or at least someone's type. I know you want to be a real girl but that's impossible anyway. I would give anything to go through my teens as a girl, teasing nervous teen boys and hanging out with my girlfriends talking about stupid shit carelessly, but it will never happen.
You can usually only get "next best thing"s in life, and hrt is that in this case. It's still better than never trying, someone might make you feel pretty and treat you like a woman.
>>29840634
>tfw no gf whod want to be with a transgirl
also how do you all keep from screaming your lunges out, breaking things or hurting yourself?
>>29840773
You anons, How do you even have the guts to deal with the social pression of friends of you asking:
"WOAH DUDE WHYR U DOING TIS"
Like, y'all have the balls (in a not sadly way, I guess)
>>29840773
You're probably right but I was a coward and missed my chance.
>>29840634
>to live through me
What?
>>29837700
>Tfw feminine hips
>Tfw feminine lips
>Tfw you can't transition effectively because bad acne, fuckton of asshair, and puberty hit like a fucking semi truck, so deep as fuck voice
Just fucking kill me
>>29840987
idk, none of mine have really asked that
>>29841019
how did you miss it?
>>29837700
shouldn't you be more worried about the face op?
>>29841034
I waited too long and now I'm too old to even try. It's basically guaranteed hon status even though I was doomed to that from the start.
>>29837700
>tfw born male
>tfw don't even like females or girly things but just want life on easy mode
>>29841064
how old? im fearing hon status myself. that fear is really tearing at me, on one hand i really want to start, but on the other ending up a hon is worse imo
le button push
>>29837700
I feel like too many people see how perfect they made life for a female in TV, movies, hentai, etc, and apply it to the idea of being female.
>>29841102
25. My fear of being a hon is the main reason I never transitioned because I agree that it's the worse fate.
>>29841026
>take isotretinoin for acne
>see acne disappear like a little bitch after 6 months
>start hormones
>see yourself become the qt grill you were meant to be
>nair/wax that asshole
>go to korea and get a vocal chord surgery when you're already a trap
Just do it fagget
>>29841102
There's no "ending up as a hon". If you see yourself becoming a hon without the hope of it getting better just fucking stop the hrt and go back to being a man with 0 changes compared to your current state. What do you have to lose?
>>29841094
this. god it would have been so much easier you literally don't have to do shit and when someone calls you out for your shortcomings all you have to do is spin them an over exadurated sob story and BAM, immediate sympathy and acceptance you never have to stick up for yourself, you never have to face facts, you never have to work (not nearly as hard as guys at least) you can just sit there, bitch and complain and your vagina will carry you the rest of the way.
>>29841146
>25
Anon that's not even close to being too late, I thought you were like 40
Natalie Mars is 32 and started hrt 20 months ago.
>>29841146
im closing in on 24, despite getting mostly good responses when asking if i could do it, the fear still lingers
>>29841165
my only hope really, the hope that life could be good. i dont know if it this will make sense, but having that hope and trying to go for it, for some reason is better than having made the journey only to find that it was false hope, you know?
also ive been talking to an FFS surgeon and been looking into VFS as well since i dont want to half-ass anything but really give it my all
who else here has too feminine of a frame/face/voice to ever be an attractive male but has no interest in transitioning?
>>29841094
tranny here
Living as a girl isn't much of an easy mode. There are perks to both living as male and as female. Just depends which you value more. The female perks are kinda nice though as people treat me nicely and go out of their way to help me.
>>29841279
"/r9k/ autistic scientist yet had to find the pros of being a dude"
>>29841250
The chances of it coming out well after 21 are extremely slim. It's almost guaranteed hon status. There are a few exceptions, but those can't be considered average results.
>>29841259
If you get good responses then it's probably worth the risk to get happiness. I on the other hand have been told I would never make it.
>>29841279
what are the disadvantages of being a female you noticed?
>>29841165
But anon, I'm poor and my family would reject me. Also, what is nair? I have never heard of that.
>>29837700
The frame isn't my problem. Mine are the low voice, which is gross as fuck on a girl and, you know, having a dick and all.
I have the perfect frame, and I'd be one hell of a hot chick.
however, I'm not a degenerate.
>>29841279
i can only assume you pass pretty well?
>>29841343
it seems so, but i have been working on it all year, ill likely not get on hormones before sept/oct unfortunately, having it drag out just makes things so much worse in every single way, more time for the body to get fucked and more time for my mind to fuck me
>>29841354
People talk down to you as if you are a child even when you are being serious. Your opinions aren't taken seriously in the real world. It's a real issue when you work for a living. Guys think it's ok to say degrading and sexual things to you unsolicited and get mad or aggressive when you don't take to their advances. Also, guys almost never want to be friends with you without some ulterior motive.
>>29841034
Parents, and stuff like that?
Really, I'm not even in the trans thing, but I quiver just at the idea of telling someone a something like that.
All the judjmental stares. Gosh.
>>29841397
Yeah I've been on the hormones for about 6 years now and I wasn't too masculine to begin with. I thank some of the asian genetics for preventing me from going past girl height or looking anything older than a boy on the cusp of pubescence.
>>29841415
what do you do for a living?
if you don't mind me asking
>>29841259
>having that hope and trying to go for it, for some reason is better than having made the journey only to find that it was false hope, you know?
Yeah it feels like that now and you'll be drowning in sorrow when you reach 35 and convince yourself you missed the train.
If social bullshittery is of no concern for you start hrt asap, and don't get off hormones for at least a year. If you don't see it getting better after the one year decide if you'd rather go further to see if it does or go back to boymode.
But if you have the money for FFS and VFS, are willing to get both, are under 24 AND you get good responses I don't see why you'd want to turn back at that point.
Just go through with the one year, there might be times you feel like it isn't worth it and you should just give up, but just keep going hormones don't work overnight but they get a ton of work done.
>>29841343
There's literally no excuse for not trying mones for a while. You have nothing to lose
>>29841357
Nair is a product you put on your skin for about 10 minutes and it gets rid of all hair in the area. Hormones and nair aren't that expensive, and you need to evaluate and decide if the potentially negative responses from your family are worth giving up on the dream.
>>29841397
Good luck to you anon.
>>29841467
I'm a poor neet. I couldn't afford the mones even if I did want to take the risk. I don't want to end up a freakshow. I'm not sure how much they'd change me and if I waited too long for results I would end up with boobs that would look like awful gyno if I tried to go back to boy mode.
>>29841415
>People talk down to you as if you are a child even when you are being serious
Lived my entire life like that, even today if I tell something to my mother she will completely ignore it like:
>Mom house is on fire.
>Okay sweetie
>Proceeds to do anything else she was doing.
>Guys think it's ok to say degrading and sexual things to you unsolicited and get mad or aggressive when you don't take to their advances.
Pretty shitty I guess but since I'm attention starved I wonder if I would like that even if it's a degrading thing.
>Also, guys almost never want to be friends with you without some ulterior motive.
Well it's not like I have any friends anyways.
>>29841415
>Your opinions aren't taken seriously in the real world
>Guys think it's ok to say degrading and sexual things to you unsolicited and get mad or aggressive when you don't take to their advances
I don't get this. Why do these guy do that?
>Also, guys almost never want to be friends with you without some ulterior motive.
It's hard fighting 3.something billion years of evolution telling you to fuck everything that moves.
>>29841504
Boobs like that take 16-30 months to grow. Seems like a reasonable time for you to make up your mind. Also mones are literally $1.5 a day, don't tell me you don't have $45 worth of neetbux a month for this
>>29841563
>>29841504
I mean reasonable amount of time
>>29841463
retail slave, though I've advanced up the chain a wee bit.
>>29841506
>Lived my entire life like that, even today if I tell something to my mother she will completely ignore it like
People second guess every plan or decision I make or take my advice lightly. Also family doesn't count I'm talking abuot real world interaction.
>Pretty shitty I guess but since I'm attention starved I wonder if I would like that even if it's a degrading thing.
At first it can feel nice to get attention, but when you get it enough, it gets annoying. Not to mention, I'm rather small and not that strong, so I get intimidated by guys who are persistent. Being objectified and called things like sexy or fuckable tends to make you think little of yourself. Getting groped feels disgusting as well. It makes you feel like an object to someone else.
>Well it's not like I have any friends anyways.
Then leave the damn basement and socialize. Go to hobby shops and meet other social outcasts and make some damn friends.
>>29841541
>I don't get this. Why do these guy do that?
Because they think with their dick and act like guys in movies thinking they can sway a maiden's heart.
>It's hard fighting 3.something billion years of evolution telling you to fuck everything that moves.
Well being on the receiving end of that in an intelligent society sucks. I've had guys where I tell them off the bat I'm not interested in getting romantically involved and just wanna be friends and we hang out and stuff and then they get all mad because they keep trying despite me being clear in my intentions and then they stop talking to me because they can't get their dick wet.
>>29841420
well telling my friends wasnt too bad since ive known them all for years and were all (all 4 of them) supportive or "you do your thing," telling my dad and my sister was some of the hardest things ive ever done though, luckily for me both are also really supportive.
>>29841443
lucky you, i wish i had the asian genetics, im gonna end up as an amazon at 6'1...
>>29841467
thank you, this is really what i needed to hear, i know that is what i want and what ive been working towards, these periods of doubt are awful.
yea ill be 24 in the end of the year and my dad said he'd help finance the surgeries, which im more than willing to have, the surgeon i talked to said i could have them done before in a couple of months and that having them early on/before hrt doesnt matter much. as for the responses, i feel like i cant be sure if im being hugboxed or not, idk.
>>29841504
thank you
>>29837700
I'm 6'1 and not too feminine and manage to pass. If your voice, style, and mannerisms are on point then you can usually manage. It's a lot of stuff to learn but its doable for most people, though some people are just fucked.
>>29841617
>Well being on the receiving end of that in an intelligent society sucks.
I guess it must. Just remember humans are animals; most guys know not to act on their innate desire, but some still can't help themselves.
Also,
>intelligent society
Are you from the future?
>>29841629
>friends dad and sis are accepting and supportive
>dad will help financing the surgeries
>generally positive responses
Anon life is giving you a big ass green light. Make sure to get the VFS in korea though it's supposed to be as good as it gets with minimal discomfort.
Best of luck to you, and don't give up it will be worth it even if sometimes it feels like it won't.
>>29837700
Yeah, life is nothing but pain
>>29841629
having the surgery when you haven't been on hrt for long is a terrible idea, hrt will change the fat distribution on you so your body and face will look different. what surgeon are you going to that is telling you it doesn't matter? I know spiegel, suporn, and most other top tier surgeons recommend between 1/2 years on hrt before you do anything. and dont worry about being an amazon, a lot of people prefer that. only downside is the shoes
>>29841761
>>29841629
The bone structure won't change at all so that's probably why he said it.
>>29841563
>>29841577
I've heard people that started getting breast development within a year. And yes, I'm telling you I don't have disposable income. I don't get any sort of neetbux.
>>29841756
Your body is cute. I wish I had something salvageable.
>>29841830
Starting breast development yeah, but pre one year boobs are too small for being "awful gyno" if you go back.
>>29841629
Yeah I'm 5'4". Guess I lucked out in the end.
>>29841727
Whatever the case, it feels gross and you just feel violated and disgusting. I'm a person, not some onahole.
>>29841815
the bone structure wont but you can still look very different after a year or two on hrt. any surgeon who says you wont doesnt have experience with this and isnt the best you can get, and if youre going to spend thousands to look good do it fucking right
>>29841868
a lot of girls dont even really get handfuls, some end up with massive tits. my gf got tits to put a lot of cis girls to shame, shes even above the chestlet line. its purely random on what you end up with
>>29841756
disgusting,
hopefully your attention whoring doesn't derail the thread.
>>29841617
seems to me like those aren't disadvantages at all, more like you blaming society for your short comings.
>and then they stop talking to me because they can't get their dick wet
how is this a disadvantage?
>>29841740
it really is so i cant give allow myself to not go for it.
i have been thinking about having the surgeries in korea, but i havent had much luck in finding anything on FFS over there, nor anyone who have had it there. but they sure as hell do an amazing job on the kpop stars, which is something i would give up a hell of a lot for. you wouldnt happen to be able to help me out a bit here?
>>29841761
as >>29841815 said, the bones doesnt change, but yes i generally hear from others that 1-1.5 years of hrt is recommended. also it was dr. bart who i had a consultation with, who said that the soft tissue changes are insignificant in comparison.
>tfw just one shoe size too large for most of the shoes...
>>29841886
did you remember to check your superior genetics privileges today anon, you gotta remember to do that
>>29837700
Yes OP. I've decided to just not bother, even if it means I kill myself in the next few years. I even tried for a little while, it was the first time since I was like 7 or 8 that I could say I was honestly happy and felt like there might be hope. Still I'm not so delusional that I think other people would accept me. It comes down to deciding whether I want to be happy and accept myself but be homeless, unemployed and worse, or having a job and get looked at normally by others and loath myself so much I want to jump in front of a train.
>>29841900
How is getting sexually harassed at all my fault?
>how is this a disadvantage?
Because at first they try to just be friends, throwing hints of interest here and there, dropping it after a while, things are good, and then boom they can't take it anymore. I do find it ironic that people of this board would say it's my own fault when the majority of the users here blame society for their own shortcomings.
>>29841925
At this point they are superior, but back then they got me bullied, so I guess it evens out.
>>29841898
Boobs take more than 2 years to reach their maximum size, so even if you have great boob genetics and end up with c cups they will be small in the first 11 months
>>29841925
No I don't know about FFS in korea sorry. I know I've read about a clinic that's supposed to be the best in VFS though I'll see if I can find it
>>29841868
Anything that looks like boobs instead of an actual male chest is going to fall under awful gyno for a guy. I wish I had a bf that would accept me and help guide me through it no matter what.
>>29841984
> I've had guys where I tell them off the bat I'm not interested in getting romantically involved and just wanna be friends and we hang out and stuff
>just wanna be friends and we hang out and stuff
>Friends
>Hang out
how the fuck does this qualify as sexual harassment?
>Because at first they try to just be friends, throwing hints of interest here and there, dropping it after a while, things are good, and then boom they can't take it anymore. I do find it ironic that people of this board would say it's my own fault when the majority of the users here blame society for their own shortcomings.
again how the fuck does this qualify as a disadvantage for being a woman?
you are one deluded fuck.
>>29841990
>>29841925
Oh yeah it's the first fucking link on google
The clinic is called "yeson", I've found it on youtube there are a bunch of vids of people showing their voices before and after
>>29841925
theres a lot of options for korean ffs, they dont have a ton of experience with trans people though because being trans is still an iffy thing there. Look up cosmetic surgery or facial contouring for it. and whatever you do, dont whine and groan about genetics and needing time to pass or anything like that, being feminine is a lot of work and effort to learn how to talk and how to move and how to dress and apply makeup. it's all important if you want to actually look good.
iktf on the shoes though, i'm a size 13 womens and finding boots is a nightmare.
>>29841990
after 2 years if you've still got mosquito bumps you'll be stuck with tiny tits forever. they won't grow that much, you might be lucky to go up a size in another few years if at all.
>>29841990
damn, the only thing i remember hearing about is the Cinderella clinic, and the Yeson center for VFS. the Yeson VFS results are just remarkable, i really want to have it done, but i dont know when would be the best time for it, right now im having some voice sessions but i dont really feel like im having any kind of progression with it as it is right now
>>29842063
>how the fuck does this qualify as sexual harassment?
No the friend thing isn't sexual harassment. Getting groped and getting hit on aggressively by total strangers is.
>again how the fuck does this qualify as a disadvantage for being a woman?
Because you're always looked at in a sexual way over anything. I don't get how so many guys are completely incapable of platonic friendships with the opposite sex or with people that look like the opposite sex.
Learn comprehension bud.
>>29842081
There's something cute about tiny boobs though. I don't even like them above C cups but that's just me
>>29842088
Just make sure you do your homework and get the best you can afford. The voice surgery at the Yeson clinic is like $7k though so keep that in mind
>>29842140
tiny boobs are cute when they're round and well shaped on a cute girl. theyre not so cute when they're torpedos that look even weirder on a mildly masculine chest
>>29841122
It's definitely not a movie or a tv show in terms of ease, but then neither is being a man like what you see in tv or movies.
I grew up with a younger sister and all the kids in our neighborhood were girls. I wouldn't say they were treated better or had an easier life than I did, I would say the way they were treated and the difficulties they had in their lives were something I envied about them. I so much wanted to be one of them, part of their group. I was really uncomfortable about male friends at school. I didn't like what they likes, I was bullied for liking the things I liked. And then when I'd go home, my sister and all these other girls treated me like an outside, like a freak that they could poke and punch and push whenever they wanted because i was the only boy.
I think most guys are probably perfectly okay with how they are treated and live their life, but I wasn't. I fucking hated it. There are little things about being a guy that are nice, but the little things are not worth having to deal with hating my entire existence and knowing I'll never fit in the way I want to. Even just the fact that I am a guy is asking to be ridiculed for even saying that. A girl that doesn't like girly shit doesn't take shit like that, but a guy not wanting, or hating being manly is some kind of freak and treated like it if it's ever found out.
I went on HRT even though I'm unpassable
I'm still pretty young so I don't really look like a gross hon, it's preferable to aging with testosterone. I totaly recommended it for any of you who are at least mildly cute and not too old/big
>>29842081
i know they have a lot of options, but i havent got the slightest idea of where to start looking, given that they would need to deal with a white trans who cant speak korean.
its a lot of work yea, and harder when you dont have anyone to help you with any of it...
>>29842140
i will try. was this the same clinic as you were thinking of?
>being an (ugly) woman will make my life better!
Go to a fucking therapist
>>29842133
>because you're always looked at in a sexual way over anything
Nature tells men to pass down their genes every chance they get. Nature also tells you to eat the bowl of delicious looking strawberries on the table, because your body knows they contain sugar. This doesn't mean you can't appreciate the strawberries for their beauty or for the fact that they're the product of billions of years of trial and error and were literally made from solar fire. It just means that your immediate though about them is eating them.
Similarly men aren't incapable of platonic friendships with women, it just isn't their first thought.
>>29842159
>they're not so cute when they're torpedos
Thanks for the chuckle anon.
>>29842206
Yeah see >>29842079
>>29842271
oh, i missed that
yea i really want to know how much of it is the surgery and how much is the training
>>29842133
>getting groped
that is one valid disadvantage will give you that.
>I don't get how so many guys are completely incapable of platonic friendships with the opposite sex or with people that look like the opposite sex.
simple biology, then again, trannies aren't fond of biology
>Learn comprehension bud.
I'm not the only anon you are talking to.
>>29838849
Which make you feel worse? The .005% who actually identified as fem all their life or the 99.005% that fell for the traps meme?
>>29841506
>Pretty shitty I guess but since I'm attention starved I wonder if I would like that even if it's a degrading thing.
Not that anon you were responding to but this feeling is only nice in novelty. It can feel good in some contexts, but after a while it becomes uncomfortable especially because hormones make you significantly weaker. It's not really as great as it seemed.
>>29842311
Look up some videos on jewtube, apparently training is really important and getting surgery without properly learning to speak like a woman will just make you sound weird
>>29842206
theres tons of ways to get help anon. /lgbt/ is a cancerous shithole, but so is /r9k/. talk to other transgirls who arent hopeless losers, and try to ask for advice from ones who make it. makeup is online everywhere, /cgl/ has threads about it a lot, hair too. its research and practice anon, if you really want to look good itll take a lot of work but it all adds up
>tfw cute face, very passable voice, decent hair and no facial or body hair
>tfw shoulders and big hands
Sometimes I think the former makes up for the latter in day to day passing but I'm always plagued by worry due to my shoulders and hands
>>29842311
>>29842331
voice surgery barely does anything, and from the experiences ive read about and samples ive heard it isnt uncommon for it to do more damage than anything. its all in the training, eventually you get to the point that talking like a guy is harder than talking like a girl. even if you have a turbo deep voice you can still have a passible female voice with enough training. its an every day thing though, you can't skip out or try to not use it in public. you have to practice like your playing an instrument, because you basically are.
>>29842331
yea i know, i wonder if theres a good indicator for when youd be ready for the surgery
>>29842343
>cancerous shithole
no kidding, finding the ones that arent hopeless is a bit tricky though.
i do try to practice makeup and everything fair bit, its harder than it looks
>>29842377
>more damage than anything
i hear thats mostly down to the techniques used in other places. but you are right training is a big part of it, i just wish i could do something to make it better, after a month or so of sessions with a voice trainer i feel like i havent had any progression at all really
>>29841354
Silicone boobs
>>29842377
"barely does anything" is a big overstatement.
>isn't uncommon for it to do more damage than anything
Yeah if you cut corners. I've only ever read/heard good things about yeson, probably the reason they're so expensive.
In any case, you have to perfect the technique before getting the surgery, VFS only lifts the frequency of your voice and there's a LOT more to speaking like a girl than that
>>29842480
>I wonder if there's a good indicator
I don't know about this one, I guess when you can hear the difference and you permanently speak like that without thinking about it or being aware of it at all.
>>29842317
Well, I'm sure the proportions aren't THAT bad (and hopefully add up).
Maybe it's like 25% that actually identify as female? I wouldn't know, but it's my guess. And it's already pretty bad. The SJWs are pushing the idea that genders don't really exist and that people should transition anyway. Some of those people are just lost and end up hurting themselves a lot because the SJWs encourage their confusions.
And yeah I guess I do feel bad for those who just fell for the traps meme, because they may end up suffering for it.
And then again there are those who don't truly identify as either male or female. It's not just an SJW meme, I'm sure SOME people are like that. It's kind of grey area for me. I don't get it. Transitioning is something really fucking serious though and I hope they don't do it lightly. And not just because they think they're gonna be living life on easy-mode...
>>29840413
Oh contrare mi ami
I'm knowing too many poor deluded souls that fell for the tranny meme and were on HRT long enough that after they quit they can't get an erection any more.
>>29842544
idk, my friends tell me that ive always had a high voice. from a voice analysis i have an avg pitch of ~165Hz without trying to sound any different and can easily go to +350Hz.
its really frustrating to try and find the technique, its like fumbling in the dark for something. it doesnt help that i dont really speak that much to begin with, but still...
>>29841261
Attractive to who? That fembod of yours is in demand without any HRT
>>29841756
what's wrong with your hand dude?
>>29842641
Jokes on you. Half a decade of hormone use and my dick still gets hard. Not very big though. Then again that was an issue even before the hormones. Shikata ga nai
>>29842641
That's takes long time though, and the recovery isn't immediate. Unless you damage your balls they take care of you
>>29842659
I remember learning to whistle it was frustrating and I thought I'd never get it right because there was 0 progress over days of trying and then it just worked.
Same thing with learning how to growl like those death metal singers. It was really satisfying both times though.
I know this is different but I think you just have to keep trying. People have done this before, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to.
Anyway I'm off to bed best of luck to you and remember to keep going. The night gets darkest before dawn or some shit
>>29841868
You so fell for the tranny meme. And for what?
>>29842480
theres good ones everywhere, you just have to try out a lot before you find decent friends you can get a little help from. when you first start youre going to be hopeless, thats how it works. the key to it is finding people who actively try to improve, wanting to do something is worthless if you dont. good on you for practicing anon, once you manage to get makeup down well it ends up being really fun to try and experiment, its turned into one of my biggest hobbies at this point
>>29842786
Am not a tranny
>>29842816
Then what do you claim to be?
>>29842779
true, thank you and ill definitely keep going even if i have no idea in which direction to go.
>>29842797
i hope ill get to that point, for the time being i can only do some really really basic stuff without me wanting to quit halfway though because it looks so awful, no way around it unfortunately, though i like that i can do myself better than what ive had a professional do. i dont assume theres a "from nothing to something guide" out there somewhere?
>>29842852
A guy. Not sure what form of autism you have but I've never said I was on hrt
>>29841279
>Living as a girl isn't much of an easy mode
So glad you said that. They'd never believe me
>>29841026
You sound cute anon.
>>29842875
not that ive found. ive been thinking about making one myself since i had to learn from nothing too, but a lot of is just trial and error and mastering application. the eyes were the hardest 100%, then the contouring and lips were both a decent bit of trouble because there's no really good explanation or tutorial since everybody looks different and you just have to figure it out, then everything else was pretty simple.
>>29842940
if you do make one, id love to give it a read.
i guess its kind of like riding a bike, once youve gotten it down a few times you can start having fun with it.
one thing i know for sure is that liquid liner is the hardest thing to master.
how did you go about it? did you keep trying the same or just experiment with a lot of different things?
>>29842605
>don't truly identify as male of female
literally the 1% of the 1% though, considering only 0.4% of the population is trans and probably only 0.01% of those are truly not male or female
iirc, there's only one person in the world who is legally recognised as neither
>>29841094
desu unless you pass well i doubt it's any easier than life as a man
>tfw just want to be cute
I wouldn't care if it was twink, trap, tgirl but instead I have to live as an ugly 6' 5" piece of shit man. Feels suicidal man.
>>29843025
I tried the same thing a lot, but made sure to experiment too. usually one or two attempts at a really simple application a day, along with one or two of something more interesting. some days more, but always at least 3 or 4. Throw in some eye shadow and mascera too and eventually you start to feel how it can come together. making a pintrest and browsing it a ton helped me get new ideas and see a lot of different face shapes and how it all went on. One nice tip for liquid liner is you can apply it just below your lashes.
tilt your head up as far as you can while still being able to look into the mirror, and then you can run the pen along the underside of your lashes without brushing against them too much so you get less tempted to blink, and its easier to do it when the brush is touching your lashes less. for the top of the eye you do the same thing but in reverse, tilt your head down a little bit and run it just barely above the lashes. as you get better youll be able to get smoother lines closer to the lash, and then you can work in a pencil to go along the tear duct or powder to go amongst the lashes. then you get into wings and shading and it all just goes further and further till youre judging disgusting roasties trash attempts at application on the street
>>29843207
ha, i love the way you put it, thanks for the the tips, ill be sure to work hard on it!
