What does /r9k/ think about libertarianism? Is this the robot-approved ideology/philosophy?
>>29784318
Yea if you're not a classical liberal then you're economically illiterate or a dumb statist/collectivist
anarcho-capitalism is the best
original
Probably not, being a "robot" revolves almost exclusively on blaming others for your problems while demanding society to support your shitty stupid lifestyle.
>>29784334
Honestly why do so many people hate Ayn Rand or mention as someone people shouldn't listen to?
>>29784744
>the ANC
.......and that is?
>>29784784
Her philosophy is extremely polarising as a whole. Try reading her wikiquotes page.
>>29784334
any form of society is collectivism. that quote says exactly that.
if you give up anything for the common good, including the freedom to murder whoever you want or steal whatever you want, then you are a collectivist.
libertarianism is just collectivism that affords upper middle class white people the freedom to benefit from collectivism while at the same time not having any responsibility to contribute to the collective.
it's the ultimate hypocrite's solution.
anarchism is the only way to go if you truly want to be free.
>>29784856
>including the freedom to murder whoever you want or steal whatever you want
ummn, neither libertarians or anarcho-capitalist preach for that. Read about the NAP.
>>29784903
The NAP is kind of a fairy tale. I'm an ancap and I believe that security can only be found through negotiation or self-preservation, but just expecting people not to fuck with you because you won't fuck with them is silly. You have to give them real reasons not to, so I don't believe the NAP alone can protect one's rights and properties. Still, I don't think murder should be condoned or anything like that, I just think it's important to have a back-up plan for when the NAP fails.
>>29784974
Of course I have a backup plan
>>29784318
No. Libertarianism only benefits those who don't need the protection of the rule of law (i.e. The rich, the connected, the powerful, the well armed).
>>29784903
ummmm i didn't say they did. i said they were hypocrites who pretend to advocate for personal freedom but they are really self-interested collectivists.
i was exaggerating when i mentioned murder to make that point. they want laws that only benefit people who are already in positions of high social status. they believe in restricting freedom. they want protection from the collective but they don't want to have to protect those weaker than them.
>>29784784
She's both the most successful and influential female philosopher and author of all time and she declared open and unabashed war on academic and leftist doctrine. She lived under communism and said it was total dogshit and was stridently individualist and capitalist. Of course she causes maximum butthurt amongst identitarians and pinkos.
She was a poor female Jew and told the statists that wanted to 'protect her' to fuck themselves.
>>29785494
Guns are the greatest equalizer and preserver of human dignity and order that have ever existed.
>>29785950
>Guns are the greatest equalizer and preserver of human dignity and order that have ever existed.
except for the fact that drones and tanks and military aircraft exist now.
>>29785977
The US military had real trouble with Iraq and Afghanistan.
Fighting a determined insurgency is impossible.
>>29786004
It really isnt
Pesky human rights just restrict their capabilities. Insurgency in america would get crushed real fast
>>29786022
Nah senpai. There's a screencap floating around that shows a military guy's analysis, and it would be impossible for a dozen reasons.
>>29786004
they didn't spend trillions fighting the war dumbass they spent trillions building infrastructure in the iraq and afghanistan however because of they are muslims they rejected it and aped out, we did the same in vietnam and that's why they love the united states now.
>>29786038
It really wouldnt be. You can easily starve the whole nation out if you so desire. Bomb farms and food storages and wait.
http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/army/fmi3-24-2.pdf
tactics in counterinsurgency
for reference
>>29784856
>>29784744
>>29784334
Libertarianism is a utopian ideology which assumes all human beings are equivalent, and only separated from each other by study, motivation, and willpower.
In reality, over 80% of someone's IQ, likely income level, and corresponding financial success is due to their genes. Environmental effects actually don't matter very much, as twin studies demonstrate.
You can keep someone out of school his entire life, and throw him a math textbook when he's in his 30's. If he has the genes for intelligence, he'll be a professor in no time. That's just how this shit works.
There's a reason that all white countries are wealthy modern economies, all Hispanic countries are 3rd world shitholes, and all black countries are hell on earth. The more you study it, the more it becomes clear. It's not because of socialism, or government abuse. It's because of genetics.
Portland Oregen is a left wing Marxist dream come true. And yet it's relatively nice to live there. Why didn't society collapse there the way it did in Detroit? Why is Sweden, a socialist country, still a relatively nice place to live, whereas Somalia is not? Answer: Demographics are more important than economic system.
Stefan Molyneux used to be a hard core anarcho-capitalist. Then he discovered something: different racial groups have different IQ levels, corresponding to different brain genes. All of a sudden he understood the importance of borders to keep races distinct and separate, and also a social order to encourage eugenic fertility patterns. Now although he claims to still be an ancap, he's basically a nationalist.
>>29786137
>Portland
Yep. Live here. Whitest major city in America. Seattle is similar in terms of demographics and liberal attitude. Both are great places to live for the most part. And guess what, you go a few miles in a different direction to the suburbs Gresham and Hillsboro with large minority populations and they are extremely poor, crime-filled and unclean.
>>29786137
I have no argument or proof, but I believe you're wrong. I don't know why Africa is poorer than every other continent but I don't think it's genetics, just a coincidence..
>>29786198
Here's some food for thought for you
As a group, whites in America have a murder rate about equivalent to the average European country.
As a group, blacks in America have a murder rate about equivalent to the average African country (8 or 9 times higher).
If America had no blacks, it would have a murder per capita rate similar to Belgium (pic related). Once you unpeel the statistics, the fact that America has so many black people is the primary reason our murder rates are so high compared to Europe (pre-refugee)
>>29786137
>Stefan Molyneux
he changes his ideology to whatever new trend will bring him the most views and the most money.
he's pretty smart but only for the fact that he cons other idiots constantly.
>>29786276
Poverty and culture. There might be some genetic factor for blacks being likely to be more violent on average but I don't think it is a major player. If I was born in a ghetto I'd probably become a criminal just as if a black guy was born in to a successful family he'd probably be successful
>>29786137
>>29786276
What if you're black but also a statistical outlier?
Regression to the mean makes me just not want to get married. Don't want retarded kids.
>>29786313
If you'll notice that wasn't the crux of my argument. You're dodging
Race and intelligence
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTdMY9RI-7E
Race and crime
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTCVEVazeRE
I think it's a good ideology but the people that are libertarians are really mean on youtube they will fucking bully you for no reason if you ask a question
>>29786137
>Portland Oregen
How can you compare portland oregon and detroit they had two completely different economies one being a cultural, technology hub and one being a industrial city you can't compare the two case studies, and then make it an argument for race.
>>29784744
>Neo-Liberalism
>Altruistic
Try again laddie
>>29786396
nothing you say will convince him of the flaws in his arguments so you might as well just give up. i've been through this argument many times before.
libertarianism is for idiots who don't know how much infrastructure costs.
They're also the sort of people who demand a large military, because of scary boogymen like saddam or bin laden are out there. They just don't want to pay for it.
>>29786460
Not true. Libertarians think the Iraq war was a travesty and that 9/11 was the result of America sticking it's giant cock where it doesn't belong.
libertarianism is flawed as mass competition will never happen so you are forever destined to have capitalist overlords and wage slavery.
What's the difference between liberal and libertarian?
