is there anyone here who really likes reading books?
i fell for the meme "BOOKS WILL GIVE YOU KNOWLEDGE" so i literally spent year on the thing that didnt give me any knowledge and pleasure at all
JUST
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T
The only book I've enjoyed reading was I Am Legend, even if you don't like reading I stongly urge you to read this and forget everything you know about the dog shit film
You were probably reading incorrectly.
>>29747962
i thought the film was better
>>29747962
Bloody brilliant book, very short too. Everybody needs to read it at some point in their lives. The film was a train wreck.
>>29747941
I find book annoying, boring, repetitive
>>29747941
Books are like movies you imagine yourself.
Now composing music, that's not something any 5 year old can do.
>>29747973
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN?
THAT I HELD THE BOOK UPSIDE DOWN?
>>29747941
i read books to feel smug and superior to people
>>29747987
I watched the film before I read the book and still didn't enjoy it. I felt nothing when the dog died but in the book he spends a long time trying to get the dog to come to him because it is shy and will disappear for weeks at a time and when he finally befriends it and it dies it's heartbreaking. He already has the dog at the start of the film though so it wasn't sad to me.
>>29748010
No. You weren't fully processing and engaging with the texts in a meaningful or constructive way.
>>29748027
Same. And occasionally I read books that Adam Lanza read because I want to feel closer to him.
>>29747962
Book = dark and psychological, exploring loneliness, lust and the will to survive
Film = action, explosion, is that a zombie or a vampire? what the fuck is this shit
>>29748043
Start them off with Foster and Prose, not Bloom.
>>29747941
You were probably wasting your time reading faggoty fantasy books about elves. You fucked up. You should have been reading classical philosophy.
>>29748070
No, the Greeks, and then Tao Lin.
>>29748043
are you a teacher or something?
what if i dont find that deep meaning that is written between the lines? sometimes i simply like the story and characters sometimes not, wondering what they have done or what they could have done is literally of the point, if you analyse every single word that author put into his book you arent inteligent but retarted
>>29748077
I can't wait until he and Mira demap themselves.
>>29748098
I'm just telling you how to gain knowledge from books, bro. If you're reading them for the plot you're missing the point
>>29747941
I read pretty frequently. I studied some lit at college though which made me hate reading anything for months. Currently reading Money by Martin Amis and it's pretty enjoyable.
>facebook is full of beta girls posting about how special they are because they read YA trash and how literary guys are better or whatever cringey shit
>>29748098
>spelling errors
>those opinions
It's like you're trying to trigger /lit/ right now.
They think the value they get from an object is universal. Crazy, I know.
If you aren't interested in something, or if that something isn't NECESSARY, you're wasting your time. Simple as that.
I fucking love books man. I was a lonely kid since I was 12 and the libraries at my schools were my sanctuary. All these pages were full of worlds similar or radically different to mine; they served as an escape. Plus, since no one else liked reading as much as me, I never had to deal with bullies or people otherwise amongst the shelves.
>>29747941
You read fiction like some kinda faggot, didn't you.
>>29748189
i tried everything american and european classics, philosophy, fantasy, biographies, current bestsellers and still got nothing out of them
>>29748189
>Watches fiction
>Probably plays fiction
>Bitches about reading fiction
Consider suicide
>>29747941
>books will give you knowledge
>read pleb shit like GoT and wonder when you don't get it
question to all butthurted philosophy fags - so what have you learnt from the books, and why arent you rich if you are so smart?
>>29748305
nice bait mate i rate eight out of eight without using any eights.
>>29748305
im rich in knowledge
go ahead ask me what type of knowledge iit is
>>29748368
how to deal with loneliness?
whats the meaning of life?
what is after death?
do the penguins have knees?
>>29748393
ask me what knowledge it is
>>29748393
Actually especially the first two are very important questions when it comes to literature. You wont get an answer but for some people it is just fun to think about it.
>>29748218
How about something that's actually related to something you can apply IRL?
>>29748226
>do something that already treats fiction by default like gaming
>thinks everything else should be fiction too
Are you retarded?
>>29747941
Reading is a process. Practice it. Read things you like until you can learn to enjoy reading. Then get into philosophies or areas that you have interest in.
>>29748393
>>29748406
i got knowledge in ur mothers puss
>>29748406
>>29748433
let me redefine my question then - what advantage do you have to the typical lazy, uneducated man who spends all his free time in front of tv watching football etc
>>29748486
No material real life advantage to be honest. We'll all die anyway.
So what does knowledge mean to you personally?
>>29747941
Did you read fiction OP? If yes, there lies your problem.
>>29748555
i love the way that you faggots can only answer to the questions with your own questions...
>>29748637
Because there are no real answers to those questions and we both know it.
I do it for entertainment. Not for muh smarts. I read 100-200 pages a day. I find something interesting that someone online suggests for me. I'm reading "my name is Asher lev" by chaim potok. Bout a jew who's a painter, coming of age novel as well.
Since I started reading 4 or so years ago all that's happened is that i developed the patience to read what you would call tl;dr posts.
I try not to be the "reading is good for you. You should do it for your brain. What book are you reading anon why don't you read man what's wrong with you" kind of guy. Its a hobby of mine and I don't like television or vidya.
>tfw internet and vidya have ruined my attention span and I can't read more than a page without getting distracted
>>29747941
Did you read fiction?
lf you did, you have nothing to blame then yourself
>>29747941
I think what's really important in this situation is to actually pick a book that you know a bit about or have researched and so actually really, genuinely want to read. Don't just pick a book up, read the blurb and then make a judgement. Chances are you'll just get bored and give up. I remember I did this with 1984 - I hadn't read a book in a while and couldn't really focus on anything I tried to read, then I gained interest in the book online, went out and bought it and then fucking flied through it.
>>29748868
*flew
>>29748608
>>29748838
i said earlier that ive read everything
>>29748790
>100-200 pages
are you NEET or just a speed reader? I can only read that much in a day when I don't have anything else to do
>>29748919
The fact that you are on 4chan proves you wrong.
![Guns_Germs[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pq4ZFON.jpg "Guns_Germs[1].jpg")
I recently started reading for about 2 hours every day.
I enjoy it, and I also think I become smarter from it(it's gradual).
Just finished reading pic related. Now I'm halfway through SPQR: A history of ancient Rome.
I did read some classic fiction books, but now I find myself veering towards non-fiction.
OP, are you really so soulless and dead inside that you can't find interest in learning about the world? I mean, you can pick up a really old book and read the words of someone who lives centuries, sometimes millenia, ago, someone who lived in a different world. Isn't that just magical?
>>29747941
well you should have known that manga, comics, stupid love storys and your average scifi bullshit isn't really benifitial
idiots read idiotic shit
If it's not scientific then it's not real knowledge
just pointless shit that doesn't matter
>>29748976
>storys
>benifitial
My common sense tells me this is a sarcastic reply, but I can never tell.
>>29748948
>guns, germs, and steel
>became smarter from it
lmao
>>29748988
autists actually believe this.
why does science matter if it does not affect your profession?
We all die anyway.
>>29749023
Reading even a shitty book makes you somewhat smarter.
Have you read any books? Ever?
(just for the record, Guns, Germs and Steel is a good book)
>>29749062
Not the same guy but to be honest compared to real specialist literature those popular non-fiction stuff is really superficial and often wrong.
>>29748919
Its not that much in my opinion. Couple hours a day, sometimes longer.
>>29749109
Everywhere I look, people only have good things to say about this book. Considering it came out quite a long time ago, I would expect some errors, but in general, it's still a valid book. 4chan dislikes the book, because this place is racist as fuck.
>spend 30-40 hours reading non-fiction book
>year later and barely remember any of it
I could have played four video games or watched four seasons of TV and remembered every episode
>>29749164
I have no clue about this book, I am German and read mostly German books. Just quickly pigeon-holed it because of "major pbs special" and "winner of pulitzer prize". Usually something like that is a red-flag to me.
>>29748900
but nonfiction gives you knowlege. it's basically everything it does...
>>29749184
Kind of sad and funny at the same time how proud some people here are of being a lower class member.
>>29748305
>why aren't you rich if you're so smart?
Porky has been spreading his propaganda, I see.
>>29749218
It IS aimed towards laymen, not actual scientists. I'm man enough to admit that I may be too stupid for actual science books.
>>29749254
And what does that have to do with my post?
>>29749249
Fiction also does. About love and empathy for example. Something a lot of you could need some knowledge about.
>>29747941
i've never understood why people think reading fiction is anything other than just consuming media, much like watching tv or playing a video game
>>29747941
How can I read without getting distracted? I'm really interested in reading but I can never get myself to focus
>>29749254
Nice to see that you took the time to come off your yacht and make fun of us poorfags.
Just for the record, I disagree with the guy you replied to, but you're still an elitist douche.
>>29749278
It is actually not that big of a step, just harder to get access to unless you are in a university setting. Nothing bad about reading popular stuff though I also do this in subjects I dont know much about.
>>29748948
literally a bunch of bullshit with no basis in reality or science to explain why non whites/asians couldn't put a civilization together as a form of virtue signalling
>>29747941
Yeah books don't automatically make you smart, redditors read all the time and they're dumb as fuck
>>29749325
Just go somewhere where you dont have your distractions like your PC. I sit in the train for 2 hours everyday and there are few distractions for example.
>>29749339
Being lower class is not always about money alone.
>>29749310
Because it expands your vocabulary. Also, compared to watching a show, reading a book actually requires that you put some thought into it. Instead of just sitting on the couch like a vegetable, and seeing the directors vision, you have to read the words and picture the fictional world in your own mind, which is more challenging and makes you "smarter".
>>29749310
Because it's an older medium, that is literally the reason
People used to think Latin and Greek were some sort of "higher" language and to some extent we still do, and the only reason is cause they are old and from a culture we respect
>>29749290
kek
>you could either read this nonfiction book on love and empathy or you could read this fiction book about a scientist making a pact with the devil and try to extract some hidden meaning from it
>>29749405
It is not about hidden meanings. It is about thinking for yourself. Non-fiction just tells you stuff, fiction make you think about stuff.
>>29749339
Disagree with fucking what? I'm just saying that I read a history book that took me 40 hours to finish and now I only remember a few things from it, and yet if I had spent that equal amount of time watching a television show or playing a video game I would have remembered thousands of things about them, down to details of individual levels or plot points of every single episode
>>29749385
>you have to read the words and picture the fictional world in your own mind, which is more challenging and makes you "smarter"
Has this ever been proven? l always fel like that was just pretentious book readers trying to justify why they're better than you.
>>29749341
Asians and non-whites DID "put a civilization together".
I would ask that you prove your claims, but clearly you have not read the book, or even the synopsis.
>>29747941
>checked out book about atomic energy
>learned more from that book than i ever did in school
school is for suckers
>>29749466
Just sit down and read a book for once and you will experience it yourself.
Maybe there are people to whom that doesnt apply but I guess they really are just dead inside.
>>29749381
Fuck you, asshole, it's not my fault my memory is not so good
>>29749499
Just as much as it is a fat persons fault that they are fat.
>>29749440
Okay.
>>29749466
It has to be proven? Reading words, and then drawing meaning from them obviously requires more brain power than just looking at a TV screen.
>>29749521
wow thanks man you're right it turns out I just had to will myself to be smarter all along!
>>29749432
no it doesn't. at least not anymore than watching a movie does.
reading faust did nothing for me than bore me to death.
If you honestly think that reading philosophy, economics or science doesn't make you think more than reading shakespeare, you're deluding yourself.
>>29749477
i said asians and whites made civilizations
jared diamond is an idiot and easily impressed by primitive bush people's ability to have basic survival skills, he thinks they are smart because they can do things like shoot a bow and arrow
he's an incompetent academic with no practical skills
>>29749560
I have recently turned towards non-fiction books myself, but you are wrong to dismiss fiction as you do.
Fiction books, especially old ones, tend to be filled with archaic words and overly complex sentences. It kind of takes a lot of effort to make sense of it.
>>29749498
l know what you're talking about. But my brain making up a movie on itself without any effort of myself , how does this do anything for me in the long run? ls it supposed to train my imagination? How do we know if it actually does that? l could be reading investment strategies instead.
>>29749582
>i said asians and whites made civilizations
When did you say this?
Either way, please point me towards an objective source that tells us exactly how the book is inaccurate and why Jared Diamond is wrong.
Or am I supposed to just take your word for it?
>>29749628
>ls it supposed to train my imagination? How do we know if it actually does that?
If you find yourself trying to concentrate, and make sense of something, regardless of what it may be, it is safe to say that you are excercising your brain.
>l could be reading investment strategies instead.
Well, why don't you? Seriously, do it.
>>29749655
Problem Jared?
>>29749560
If you have problems with old language then just try 20th/21st century books.
Maybe it is also something that works different for different people.
>>29749628
I can not tell you, I dont even believe you can not really prove that, I highly doubt any studies or researches on that topic.
But it feels like it to me. I looked at a lot of people (especially girls and women I have to admit) and the ones that are reading (good) fiction seem to be more intelligent in general. I dont know if there really is a connection.
>>29749655
>to explain why non whites/asians couldn't put a civilization together
weird wording, but i was trying to say non white and non asian people
>Either way, please point me towards an objective source that tells us exactly how the book is inaccurate and why Jared Diamond is wrong.
the whole thing is just an incoherent rambling, he's making such a large statement he paints everything with a very broad brush
most of the statements he makes about people not having access to resources is entirely false
what dafaq is going on at my thread?
>>29749701
Jared Diamond said that zebras would be difficult to domesticate.
You have presented a picture with zebras. I don't know if these particular zebras have been tamed or domesticated. If they were domesticated, that doesn't mean it was necessarily viable to domesticate them back in the day. And if it was, you have disproven a single point of a book released in 1997. You have not invalidated the book as a whole.
>>29747962
Can I suggest you Fahrenheit 451
>>29749736
Again, I have to ask, am I supposed to take your word for it?
All I'm asking for is a scientific article, written by real researchers, which says "jared is stupid and his book is horseshit, and here's why". If you give me that, I will be glad to concede your point.
>>29748066
> Literally goes insane, because he hasn't fucked in two years.
Ridiculous desu
>>29749786
are you not aware that jared diamond is the laughing stock of the anthropological community and everyone with any credibility agrees that his book is retarded?
a quick google will lead you to dozens of articles explaining this in depth
>>29749736
Me >>29749786
Just to follow up, blacks did have civilizations as well.
>>29749786
Even if there was a "real researcher" saying that, there are always other "real researchers" who say the opposite. There are still people defending some stuff that seems to disproven centuries ago. You will always find someone to validate your opinion.
>>29749836
>Just to follow up, blacks did have civilizations as well.
you know what i mean
>>29749381
>I sit in the train for 2 hours everyday and there are few distractions for example.
>tfw spent 4 hours each day on a train and there was never a minute of silence
>>29749835
>a quick google will lead you to dozens of articles explaining this in depth
Oddly enough, a google search yielded no such results.
Is it too much to ask that you take 20 seconds out of your busy schedule to give me the links to said articles?
>>29749852
Yeah I hate it. If I come home early there are school kids on the train too and its so fucking hard to concentrate with all the noise. But usually it is quiet. Maybe just listen to music to not hear them.
>>29749841
So, basically, I just have to take your statements on faith?
>>29749850
>you know what i mean
Not really. Do you mean to say that blacks were so primitive and stupid, that the societies they had couldn't possibly be called "civilizations"? That's the message I'm gleaming from you.
>>29749869
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=guns+germs+and+steel+criticism
here you go
on an unrelated note, my personal theory is that it's too easy to live in a tropical environment without farming/planning so people were not motivated to build the systems though who live in colder climates had to
in the case of native americans i think they were just behind from all those years of migration, and were probably proportionately on track with others in europe/asia
>>29749906
im saying their civilizations don't hold a candle to asian/european civilizations
being pedantic is not an argument
>>29749906
Just stop trying to believe in truth.
i can sit on a computer for hours reading on 4chan or wikipedia and be perfectly fine with it. i can't really do that with books. i have read some books that i couldn't put down and time would fly by while reading it, but those types of books are the exception. once or twice a year i get in a mood to read a book or two, but that's pretty much it, i can't force myself to do it.
reading fiction isn't much better than watching television when you really get down to it. it's just a story. i guess you could make an argument for reading books where you actually learning things, like a historical book or biography or something, but not fiction. fiction is entertainment.
>>29747941
I dunno man fiction is a nice form of escapism and also improves your vocabulary
>>29749852
>>29749852
>someone enters train
>plays music through their fucking phone speaker
>alternatively it's some fucking crackhead who's talking to himself out loud to get attention
I wish trains had security guards or some shit. I just want to sit in peace and look through the window lost in thought.
>>29750052
>train has specifically designated a "quiet car"
>people still shout and play loud music
I read about one hundred pages a day, a book a week.
Yes it gives me knowledge since I rarely read fiction - waste of time and I don't care what some faggot has to say about metaphors and shit.
I read the things I'm interested in. It takes a bit of time to get in to as a habit but it's worth it.
Ask yourself: What do I want to KNOW right now, what piques my interest? Then look up lists online containing related books. Keep consistent in your reading material and you will learn well as books often overlap in the same areas.
>>29747941
R tha old "BOOKS WILL GIVE YOU KNOWLEDGE" meme good times
>>29747941
Here are some books I liked, before I disappear with a bit more finality than usual:
- On the Beach
- Oryx and Crake
- Nineteen Eighty-Four
- Brave New World
- Notes from Underground
- The Road
- Blood Meridian
- Neuromancer
- Snow Crash
- The Diamond Age
- Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep
- Grendel
- Beyond Good and Evil
books will only make you appear more annoying to intelligent people if you're not intelligent to begin with. if you are, you know what to do.
books are for nerds what are you a nerd
Can anyone give me feedback on these book series? I'm thinking of reading them, just wanted to know which ones I should read first.
The Demon Cycle series by Peter V. Brett
The Night Angel trilogy by Brent Weeks
The Broken Empire series by Mark Lawrence
The First Law series by Joe Abercrombie
The Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson
The Gentleman Bastard series by Scott Lynch
The Powder Mage series by Brain McClellan
The Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks
The Raven Shadow series by Anthony Ryan
The Magicans series by Lev Grossman
The Chronicle of the Unhewn Throne series by Brain Staveley
The Malazan Book of the Fallen series by Steven Erikson
The Dagger and the Coin series by Daniel Abraham.
I really would like a book series that can rival the Kingkiller Chronicle series by Patrick Rothfuss, I absolutely adored that series. I'm still waiting on the third book but the first two books in the series were phenomenal, I couldn't put them down once I started reading them. I want a book series that will give me that sensation again, a really good fantasy series that draws me in.
>>29747941
How retarded do you have to be to read and somehow not learn anything? How is that even possible seriously? Were you reading nursery rhymes?
>>29750355
>T. a classy gentleman with an extensive fedora collection
Also don't diss fiction, I love fictional works and just because it isn't "real" doesn't mean people can't enjoy it. Escapism is something many people do, you can't find escapism in boring non-fictional works talking about the roman empire and what not. All that stuff actually happened, and while it is knowledgeable you are reading it for knowledge and not for escapism.
Two completely different concepts
>try to read recommended books
>they're all boring as fuck
We have superior forms of entertainment these days, books suck
>>29747962
There's a 1964 adaptation of it called The Last Man on Earth starring Vincent Price that's pretty cash money: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPgXDWMB-Q
>>29747941
Sounds like you read the WRONG BOOKS faggot!
I'm not used to reading (books) but I can understand complex vocabulary
can you guys recommend me something? I like deep stuff, mindfucks are gold to me
is the donnie darko book nice?
I've got completely obsessed with the movie
>>29750631
Are you that anon I talked to about Blood Meridian a few days ago? I'm on chapter 7 of Notes from Underground now, I really like the style it's written in
>tfw you will always be hyperconscious
>>29754113
"mindfucks" almost always =/= deep
>>29754295
I mean deep plot, not deep meaning
I don't understand books.
To me art is a medium that objectively adds to an experience.
Given equal quality (rare) IE: anime > manga > light novel
Having the ability to have voice actors, music, animation, visuals, etc, all improves source.
That being said, it's very common for manga/ln to be better than their above because shitty adaptations/budget.
I read books for escapism not for knowledge. Really good novels make me feel like I've pretty much transplanted myself inside another person's body and mind for a dozen hours, it's top tier escapism
>>29754321
You obviously read to escape reality. You re-enter it without having changed yourself significantly, apart from shortening the remaining time you have on earth.
A good book will change the way you perceive reality. They are vehicles for philosophies and ideologies
>>29754406
This is easily one of the most fedoracore misinformed posts I've ever read here.
>>29754406
>I read non fiction because it is superior to escapism fiction
>Reading for knowledge is superior to reading for escapism
Don't let the fedora squeeze your head, you can like non fiction and not be an asshole towards people who enjoy escapism and fiction. I personally like BOTH non-fiction and fiction, but I enjoy fiction immensely but that doesn't mean I go around bashing people who love non-fiction.
>>29754423
Lower-class pleb detected
>provide a thought-out critique of post
>or associate it with le silly hat
>hmmmmmmmm
>>29754529
I didn't say anything about nonfiction. I don't read nonfiction myself, except for uni homework. Most classics are fiction, they convey ideas through fictional stories. See Dostoevsky, Wilde, etc
I like reading. To me it's more engaging than watching or listening to something.
YMMV, though
I am a big fan of audiobooks. I don't have time to run eyes over paper for hours,but work with my hands with headphones on,so I appreciate the escape they offer,especially when the reader is good and through acting out the voices of the characters makes a book come alive. I get them through audible.com, but there are passable free ones here...
https://librivox.org
I keep trying to get into reading, but it's hard. I used to spend days and days reading books, but now I haven't finished a book in like two years or so.
>>29749852
move to nihon, where it's socially unacceptable to make noise on the train.
>>29747941
While the wagies slave away,
the NEET gathers knowledge, and develops theories,
that rival the great scientists like Newton and Einstein.
>tfw there's a book on how to read a book
>tfw you realise there are no must-read books because millions of people lived enjoyable lives without having read them
Actual helpful books for dealing with people:
-When I say no, I feel guilty
-What Every Body is saying
I, for one, am glad to see so many fellow reader-bots here, of all places.
