Who /programming/ here?
>Spend all of today and yesterday doing programming project due Tuesday
>Hopelessly flailing around, trying to Google for help
>Made no progress yesterday
>Made partially working program today
>Finally Google the most obvious search term
>80% of the program I need to create comes up
Fuck my life, I wasted so much time and I'm probably just gonna trash the code I wrote.
Tfw
is cs major a meme or is it actually the best possible degree?
i took programming class my senior year of hs and it was extremely easy and just html5/making flash games and i skipped half the time and still got an A. i also type 150+ wpm so people keep telling me i should be a programmer. what's the deal with the job market and pooinloos taking most of the jobs? is that a meme too?
>>29705406
html and flash aren't programming languages lmao fuck off
>>29704862
post your assingment
>>29704862
Nothing beats the feeling of suddenly realizing what you did wrong and making it work. I feel like a god every single time. Dont give up.
>had to do a group project where we implement different algorithms in both java and scala
>lecturer had given us BFS code for java and we were trying to translate it to scala
>had never encountered scala before and there weren't any books in campus library for it so I had to just look up everything online
>the java program found that 13 nodes could be reached from node 1234
>end up finding some scala BFS code on a forum but it arrived at a number much larger than 13
>another group said they didn't even bother with any graph-processing algorithms so I was tempted to give up and just use what we'd done so far
>on the day when the assignment is due I discover that the "large number" was actually the number of records in the original dataset
>the code from the forum worked but I had to remove nodes with a distance of infinity
>add one extra line of code to do this and finally get a result of 13
not sure why I never bothered to check that 2bh
>>29704862
c++? java? what was your program supposed to do?
>>29704862
>tfw got to program in html and css for my thesis
>2,000 long program
>haven't even started
How fucked am I /g/?
>>29705406
Its pretty easy major, especially if you don't want to do math or anything rigorous at all. Job market is pretty good too.
>>29705604
neither of these are programming languages
>>29705575
I had to do a hello world using Linux syscalls. It was our first assignment
>>29704862
don't trash your code. they love hemming up people who copy code from the internet.
>>29705406
>150wpm
If you use dvorak layout this is quite easy, if you're using the qwerty layout you're like in the 99th percentile of typists
>>29704862
I'm trying to become a self taught programmer so I can pay for college. It's kind of fun but I need to get a better internet connection than my shitty hotspot so I can post things without worrying about it eating up data
>>29705641
is this a prank?????
it took you that long to figure out how to use write()??????
this isn't the career for you my meme man
>been "learning" to code for 6 months
>can't do much more than print and make a random number generator
please end my life
>>29705628
I'd give them at least a bit of credit if js or php were in there.
yeah I do it for a living
developing software for a large enterprise with Indian and Chinese coworkers will literally kill all enthusiasm and joy you have for coding
pay is p good tho
>>29704862
Developer here. Sometimes work is OK if your an autistic like me and you find something in the project to sperg over. Did physics at uni though so don't know what the degree is like.
Trick is to try to work somewhere where you'll do lots of different projects all the time. Web/apps are boring after a year or so. Either that or switch companies a lot.
>>29705678
I had to call it through interrupts
>>29705784
ok? so you had to know how to move parameters to registers and know the syscall interrupt?
it's basic assembly my man
if you really couldn't figure it out yourself you could have just just compiled a write() function and used a debugger to see what it's doing
>>29705893
Are you a developer
I have worked for two week to implement a stupid curve fitting in python. The shitty function is an integral with two parameters to be fit. After googling the shit out of the Internet I finally found a method to do it just to realize that the parameter output is plain wrong. I have given up although its an assignment
>>29705924
nobody in the industry calls themselves a developer, it's "software engineer"
but ya, i mostly work on low level windows api shit, do a bit of reverse engineering, and use c w/ classes and x86_64
>>29704862
I remember the first time I was trying figure out angles and vectors for a simpler game I was making,
I spent probably 4-5 hours trying to figure out the math which it turns out could be summed up in
a single line of code, problem was I hadn't considered that certain type of solution.
Don't sweat it too much bro, it is as hardest in the start without a doubt, but once you get into swing of things picking up new concepts will be a breeze.
Starting out I found youtube had lots of answers presented in formats that I felt easy to understand.
KOAD
>>29705784
why don't you call my dick thru interrupts you sexy faget
>>29706007
How do I get a job like yours?
>>29706113
You have to suck a great deal of penises. Like many, many penises. Like over one hundred penises. You'll probably have to suck your dad's penis, just throwing out that warning. It's a lot of penis sucking, mostly your father's penis and grandfather's penis. And smelly homeless penis.
>>29706113
knowing people, start participating in your schools CTF team, go to conferences like shmoocon/REcon don't go to defcon it's a meme conference full of retards
Getting into CTFs lets you meet A LOT of people who can get you comfy ass fed jobs/contractor jobs that pay insane money once you learn how to find and write exploits
>Going to Uni in Silicon Valley, studying CS
>Big companies will literally approach me for a job once I graduate
I'm so glad life is this easy, how do people even fail?
>>29706209
Do I need to go to a good uni. I go to a mediocre one
>>29706249
Which uni though?
>>29706265
Not really, a lot of schools have CTF teams, if that doesn't work out there are also public ones that aren't tied to schools you can join, they generally don't teach you like school ones do though. You can also just play the ctfs by yourself and try to learn from them
People put up the solutions after the CTF is over
Check out pwnables dot kr and ctftime
>>29706249
>tfw going to my paid internship tomorrow
>tfw finished high school two weeks ago
>>29706249
which one? everyone says they go to some great school but no one ever says which one exactly, apparently everyone goes to a top 10 school.
>>29706334
No good US company is open tomorrow, so you either are lying or you live in a shithole and are interning at some dumpster code mill
>>29706265
>>29706345
UCSC famalam
>>29706315
Did you went to a good school?
>>29706388
That's a p good school
>>29705659
yeah standard qwerty keyboard.
people are actually impressed by my typing ability and the typing teacher said i type faster than her. i wish i had a cooler talent.
>>29706364
yeah, I'm not from the US. i think it's a outsourcing firm partnered with microsoft. i guess it's ok for now until i finish uni.
>>29706429
No, I didn't go to college, I started programming by copy/pasting game cheats, then finally figuring out enough to write my own. The connections I made from that led to me people in the CTF teams, and I started doing that and learning from them
Once I felt like I knew enough I started applying places and got a job.
>>29704862
>not actually learning the material
What the fuck are you even doing in college then, you retard?
>>29705406
Big business is actively campaigning to turn it into a McJob.
They hate paying living wages to programmers.
Problem is that it actually is really difficult, constantly changing, and you will definitely come to hate it and burn out within 10 years of doing it, unless you are 100% OCD autist.
>>29706505
I thought I could Pajeet my way through it
>>29706464
pretty good, i type 130wpm and people shit themselves when they see it, 150 is beyond the pale imo
>>29705730
>Web/apps are boring after a year or so
What else is there?
>>29707319
real programming, in house automation, build server shit, work for a company that sells desktop software and server software
>>29707758
Im guessing you dont think these things are boring? Why do you think web/apps get boring after a year or so but enjoy the things you listed
>>29707857
I wasn't the person that said web/apps are boring, I was just pointing out that there is more out there
>>29705607
>Its pretty easy major, especially if you don't want to do math or anything rigorous at all. Job market is pretty good too.
Not sure where you're getting this... A serious CS bachelors program (ABET accredited) will have plenty of math and be on the rigorous side (as far as majors go.) I only had to take one additional class to have a math minor. Anyone who comes out of school not knowing how to write a proof didn't study computer science.
If you want to avoid the math but work with computers you are better off studying IT.
>>29706007
>nobody in the industry calls themselves a developer, it's "software engineer"
Never heard this either, I use software engineer as my job title, but in the office I am "a developer."
>>29705730
>Web/apps are boring after a year or so.
Eh, I've been working on the same web app for two years now, and I still find it interesting. I get to work on the full stack though.
I enjoy programming in general; the project is kind of irrelevant to me.
>>29708235
>Never heard this either, I use software engineer as my job title, but in the office I am "a developer."
Then you work somewhere whose main focus isn't tech, all the big tech companies i.e. google facebook twitter use software engineer
>>29708327
>Then you work somewhere whose main focus isn't tech, all the big tech companies i.e. google facebook twitter use software engineer
Sorry, I've literally never heard this. How come I've personally met, and can easily find dozens of people online, working at those companies right now who identify themselves as a "Senior Developer" / "Lead Developer" / "Software Developer" etc.?
Most of the devs I've worked with don't give a shit what you call them. If some dude got on my case because I referred to him as a "developer" instead of "software engineer" I'd immediately know I was dealing with a pretentious twat. I usually tell people I am "a programmer."
I work for a contractor, but the main focus is tech, and almost everyone in my building is a developer.
>>29708663
since this site hates a lot of links heres a pastebin of them
http://pastebin.com/jNGUPz99
what are you talking about
Advice would be needed
>Study for useless bach
> Have N+ and A+ cert
>Work in a SOC internship
>Contemplating getting the S+ for DoD
>Taking grad level computer networks courses at my uni next fall
What else should I be doing on the side, I really want some useful skills before I grad.
>>29708775
>http://pastebin.com/jNGUPz99
Nice, those are job openings, they're designed to sound formal. They're carefully worded and vetted; i.e., they aren't reflective of conversation.
A few rudimentary searches on LinkedIn can reveal thousands of people working at Microsoft and Twitter and other "pure" technology companies who identify themselves as "developer." I don't know how you can say no one calls themselves a "developer."
If someone got uppity with me over this, I'd think they need a check up from the neck up. It's pretentious as fuck. It's like hearing a garbage man say he prefers to be called a sanitation specialist.
Like I said, I've never seen it happen in person, though. Most people working in this field tend to be pragmatic.
This actually jogs my memory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE
>>29708989
Searching "Software engineer at microsoft" on linkedin returns almost 8x the results as "Software developer at microsoft"
>>29709258
Ah, no dispute there. I'm saying people use both terms, including people who work in the industry. So, if someone asked me, "are you a developer?", I wouldn't lecture them about not using my formal title while rotating the pinecone firmly stuck up my ass. I'd say, "yes." Anything else comes across as pretentious as fuck.
In fact, in my experience, it's people who are working in technology only tangentially who are more likely to hung up on absurd formalities. Specifically in finance, and to a lesser extent government.
OP, is it Java? C++? What?
>>29709668
I suppose it's different where you work then, I'm in the game's industry and every idiot at the company says they're a "dev", each group refers to themselves by what they do, i.e. designers, artists(going into their specific fields, animation, fx etc), automation, engineering (generally saying server, gameplay, ui), production and sound.
it's the QA and CS cucks that call themselves devs so the people who really work on the game say what they actually do
>>29709900
>it's the QA and CS cucks that call themselves devs so the people who really work on the game say what they actually do
Ah, that makes sense then.
My place specifically does web apps used by business. There's CS but they're in a different building. No designers or artists, just business analysts, project managers, QA, a few system engineers. Everyone else is a "dev," because they really working on the code (to varying extents.)
