Out of shape people are fucking scum. There's people who can't even walk in better shape than you fat fucks. You worthless piles of lard literally drink sugar all fukin day. The only vegetables you get is if they accidentally put some lettuce on your cheeseburger and you're too lazy to take it off. Go run and eat some ice cream to take the pain away you little bitches.
>>29691847
Post your face op
I bet ur ugly
don't bully fat people anon they're just victims of the capitalist system
>>29691847
How long have you been lifting anon?
How much do you curl?
>>29691847
>There's people who can't even walk in better shape than you fat fucks.
There are people who can smoke several packs a day and not get cancer, while hanging around my aunt and uncle's second smoke for two years got me my tumour.
>>29691896
Tough luck mate. Should have taken up smoking regularly first
>>29691896
>tfw picked up smoking specifically to get cancer
Fuck chemo, I'll just do stupid shit until the pain finally takes me.
>>29691896
thats pretty fucked senpai.
>>29691928
inb4 instant regret when you finally get it
>>29691861
Wrong again faggot
Stay jelly you fat piece of shit
>>29691878
I dunno since highschool, don't curl anymore I do pullups and chinups.
Muay thai ftw
>>29692076
>tfw chubby and still pull this off with girls
As long as you present yourself as someone people can have fun and a good time with, even fatsos can get the hot chicks.
Why should I workout when guys who are naturally tall and attractive can get cute women without working out as hard as I would have to? It's not fair. I'm not accepting it.
>>29692168
There's always gonna be someone better looking. You sound like a 6 year old waaaahh it's not fair.
Fukin pussy
>>29691847
I've seen that image posted everywhere.
Your naming scheme means nothing.
Shitpost, guise. As usual; sage goes in the options field.
>>29692153
Okay fatso until someone who actually takes care of himself comes along
>>29692196
You have anything other than shaming?
If I have to put in some amount of effort to get something, but there also exist people who have to put in less effort to get the same thing. Then what kind of retard would actually put in the effort? It's not fair and what's more important, it's humiliating and cucked.
>>29692207
And bitch? That's my fukin pic I'll post that shit whenever the fuck I want
>>29692076
>on r9k
>posting chat on whore app
>taking picture in what looks like a halfway-house
>violent
>mentally disabled
>Is that angry in shape, imagine him overweight.
>4am
>autism
>originally got on tonight to look for cuck and trap porn
>still thinks if he can lift enough he'll lift himself out of the shit tier nobody that he is and always will be.
Us fatties welcome you, brotard. We're all fucked and you belong here just as much as we do. :D Fuck the world, ammirite?
>>29692214
I guess...? Ionno, my last three exes they left their boyfriends (who looked as normal as normal can be) to be with me. But we'll see...
>>29692227
Holy fuck you're a cuck. Is that really your mentality? It's humiliating to change yourself for the better?
Keep chugging down that mountain dew you hamplanet
>>29691847
> Go run and eat some ice cream
>Go run
>run
>>29692285
Wrong. I would be a cuck if I worked hard for things that gifted people get easily.
Yes it is my mentality.
It is humiliating to change yourself for the better because you are working hard for what some lucky guy would have by default.
>Keep chugging down that mountain dew you hamplanet
More shaming you dumb fucking retard. How many times do I have to tell you that social shaming and peer pressure is useless on /r9k/?
>>29692244
If I was overweight I'd probably kill myself, it's 3 am and I'm at work. I only lift twice a week
>>29691847
>Oh look I lift and shit I'm superior
>Lol fat people who think that being in shape is not that important
Wasting time on being fit matters only to faggots and casuals.
Why the fuck waste time working out and eating well when you can study and develop instead?
Brain > body
>"But you won't get girls"
Asexuality m8
>"But that's bad for your health"
Good, I want to die anyway
Fucking normies in this board, man.
>>29692307
i think you're on the wrong website
did you mistake this for tumblr?
>>29692321
Typical normie. Can't respond to my points, so he tries insults. But these don't fool anyone. It's apparent that you just can't react or disprove me.
>>29692307
Hurr durr shaming is useless yet you get bent out of shape about it, but you were already out of shape to begin with you fat fuck so I'm not sure how that works.
Then don't change stay exactly how you are cuck
>>29692315
Hey retard eating a healthy diet is essential for both mind and body. Exercise is also important for the brain.
Obviously you don't do a lot of reading if you haven't figured that out
>>29692346
>yet you get bent out of shape about it
Yeah just keep wishing.
>but you were already out of shape to begin with you fat fuck so I'm not sure how that works
Not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean that I never tried? That I was never fit? Because that would be wrong. After getting fit I found out that Chads still win no matter what. And I figured why work hard for scraps of what Chad gets? I'm not a cuck to just accept that.
>Then don't change stay exactly how you are cuck
I've told you why improving yourself is cucked. You haven't reacted to it or disproven it, so I take it that you agree with it. Therefore you're a retard.
>>29692380
Eat normally and from all groups and you'll be fine. Healthy diet for your mind is a meme. All the biggest brains probably don't work out.
I'm pretty sure that Steven hawking, Albert Einstein and others haven't worked out in their lives.
>>29692345
Hey dumbfuck this is dorian yates before he touched a weight. That guy went on to become one of the greatest bodybuilders of all time.
Fucking cuck
>>29691847
Thanks OP, people like you are the reason chubsters like me choose to change for the better.
The fat fucks who don't heed your motivation are the ones that truly have dug themselves the hole of cholesterol they cannot climb out of.
>>29692442
So what? What are you trying to prove here? It's more than apparent that he has broad shoulders and big arms. Compare him to some fucking nerd with twig arms and narrow shoulders. The nerd would have to work much harder to get the same results he got. Not to mention the difference in testosterone that would likely be big between these two.
>>29692428
Yes providing your body with the vitamins and nutrients it needs is a meme
The cucks are out in full force tonight
>>29692477
You think those arms are big? You rockin like 9 inch biceps dude? I feel bad for you, you must have failed miserably at something and this is how you cope.
Nobody cares work harder
>>29692533
Look at his wrists. Look at his forearms. These are two things that are quite hard to change without lots of exercise (probably not even then). And he obviously is over average. He got lucky. He had a great starting position.
>Nobody cares work harder
Nobody cares about injustice? I care. And I will not work harder for things that some guy with naturally big frame and lots of testosterone gets easily.
>>29692492
I said eating from all groups.
Eating from all groups: vitamins and nutrients
Learn to read, faggot.
>>29692575
There's nothing special about his wrists or his forearms.
Lol at injustice, this world doesn't owe you shit. You gotta take what you want, do what you gotta even when you don't feel like it. If not you'll end up being a cuck your whole life.
Finish your ice creams before it melts cuck
>>29692587
You said healthy diet for your mind is meme. You can't even read what you wrote further stressing my point of needing to eat properly for mental focus.
>>29692629
>There's nothing special about his wrists or his forearms.
Look at them again. He obviously has a big frame judging from his wrists and shoulders.
>Lol at injustice, this world doesn't owe you shit.
And I don't owe shit to the world. I will not work hard for something that lucky people get easily.
>You gotta take what you want, do what you gotta even when you don't feel like it.
Fuck you. As I said before and I will say it again. Accepting injustice and playing a rigged game is what makes you a cuck.
You keep repeating your shaming and just-world bullshit but you're not disproving me.
>>29692575
Small wrists are preferably in bodybuilding anon, makes everything else look bigger in comparison. Huge joints are good for stuff like powerlifting, but even then, you just look fat if you have big joints and a skinnyfat body, it only measures your absolute top level potential.
>>29691847
>mfw faggot OP posted this exact same pick with the same tinder chat bitches on a thread 2 weeks ago
>he sperged hard for 1 hour in that thread attempting to convince everyone he wasn't a manlet and trying to prove to everyone how great his life was compared to everyone
So how big is that void in your life OP
>>29692699
Nobody gives a shit about how things look. If you have bigger wrists you have bigger/stronger frame. How could that not be prefferable in lifting?
Yes it measures potential. That's what I was talking about.
>>29692687
>i'm not a cuck, but I'm going to accept being worse than others and allowing them to do things I want to do
You're just scared of potential failure, it's much easier to sit at home and go "No, I could never achieve anything because of things out of my control" than it is to have to work hard to achieve them.
>>29692732
>You're just scared of potential failure
Of course I am. Unlike normies who keep spouting "hurr failure means nothing" I know it bloody well does. And because of things out of my control I am more likely to fail.
Most of people on /r9k/ who have mindset like me actually tried. And we either failed or only got very limited results. All of this while being overstepped by gifted people who got better results in shorter time.
>>29692730
>Nobody gives a shit about how things look
Do you think Dorian Yates was reknowned for being super strong? The whole point of bodybuilding is to look a certain way.
>If you have bigger wrists you have bigger/stronger frame.
No, it measures your top absolute potential.
>How could that not be prefferable in lifting?
Because unless you're competing in powerlifting, you'll literally never notice a difference. You achieve 1/2/3/4 and you'll be stronger than almost everyone you meet, and better looking, and that doesn't need huge joints and excellent potential. To reach like a 4 plate bench you'll need some genetic potential, and roids too, sure, but the amount of work that goes into it apart from that means you're almost guaranteed to never achieve it. Plus, no-one fucking cares outside of powerlifters.
>>29692768
>Unlike normies who keep spouting "hurr failure means nothing" I know it bloody well does
Why does it? What does a failure mean? Unless you cripple yourself failing, how does that stop you from achieving your goal?
>And because of things out of my control I am more likely to fail.
Actually, by things entirely in your control, you've already achieved that failure. You going "doesn't count because I don't want to succeed" doesn't stop the fact you're currently in that state of failure.
>Most of people on /r9k/ who have mindset like me actually tried. And we either failed or only got very limited results. All of this while being overstepped by gifted people who got better results in shorter time.
Sure you did, faggot. Sounds to me like you tried for a month, didn't do great or work particularly hard at it, then gave up as soon as someone did better than you and just went "Oh no it's not my fault, they're just genetically more gifted than I am", as if that's how genetics even work.
>>29692687
Why are you still even posting ITT. We get it your body sucks and you don't want to change. So then leave
>>29691847
Can I cum on your bicep? Will give a reach around if you're nice.
>>29692670
I meant that focusing too much on your diet is pointless.
I said, eat from all groups and you'll be fine.
>>29692729
What the fuck are you talking about? Why would I need to convince anyone I'm not a manlet?
>>29692820
>No, it measures your top absolute potential.
Having a big frame makes lifting easier. Any results you get look better. I know this because I know guys with shitty frame with very narrow shoulders who lifted. And they were shat on by big-framed guys every day. It's not fair.
>Why does it? What does a failure mean? Unless you cripple yourself failing, how does that stop you from achieving your goal?
Fucks up your confidence. Dameges you social standing, preselection works both ways you know?
>Actually, by things entirely in your control, you've already achieved that failure. You going "doesn't count because I don't want to succeed" doesn't stop the fact you're currently in that state of failure.
Not trying is not failure. You normies will try to say it is. But it's not. I am in control. If I tried to work hard and failed, then I would not be in control. That's the difference. Very important one.
>Sure you did, faggot. Sounds to me like you tried for a month, didn't do great or work particularly hard at it, then gave up as soon as someone did better than you and just went "Oh no it's not my fault, they're just genetically more gifted than I am", as if that's how genetics even work.
I lifted for about nine months. Seeing tall and attractive guys who never even touched a dumbbell get more success with women and also be stronger and better in pretty much everything is what made me stop. Why work hard for something Chads get by default?
>>29692835
Fuck you. I'll post wherever I want. If you can't disprove what I'm saying, I will just keep repeating it. I will not let you ignore the truth.
>>29691847
>Finally I'm somehow superior to someone!!!!
>I'm so smart bcuz I know about food n vitamins n I'm pious bc I work out hard one hour every few days w00t go me
>>29692906
Lmao go ahead keep my thread bumped cuck. You've already been disproven multiple times yet keep going. Lamar gant had severe scoliosis, yet went on to become one of the greatest powerlifters of all time
>>29692927
Never said I was superior to anyone, can any of you cucks even read?
>>29693000
>You've already been disproven multiple times
How exactly? Quote.
So what some nigger with scoliosis made it? Anecdotes mean jack shit.
>>29692887
>Having a big frame makes lifting easier
How exactly do you figure that?
>I know this because I know guys with shitty frame with very narrow shoulders who lifted. And they were shat on by big-framed guys every day. It's not fair.
Shat on in what way? What the fuck are you even saying? The point isn't "are there people better off than you", it's about being better than the average. If you lift enough to be noticably muscular in clothing, you'll look much better than nearly anyone you see on the street. People aren't attracted to your potential.
And as I said, even dorian yates only had big shoulders, the rest of him was small as fuck. And his shoulders are much, much smaller pre-lilfting to post lifting. If you're a muscular guy, your shoulders will get bigger.
>Fucks up your confidence. Dameges you social standing, preselection works both ways you know?
Confidence is entirely your own personal issues. Everyone fails, those who eventually succeed are those that continue to keep trying and improving. It sucks to miss a lift, for example, and sure, you look dumb if you get stuck in a gym. But the next day, no-one remembers, and if you keep lifting, you'll hit it eventually.
>I lifted for about nine months
You're calling nine fucking months trying? Even on /fit/ they say it takes two years to get any decent results unless you're roiding. Two years of excellent diet and training, too.
Someone who's got 8 years of athletic experience is going to probably be stronger than some absolute beginner in a gym, sure. But you keep lifting, and you'll end up much stronger and with a better body.
>Why work hard for something Chads get by default?
No-one's born strong or with a good body, retard.
You're bitching that you didn't get instant gratification where everyone threw themselves at you, despite anywhere reputable you look saying that this won't be the case. You've got the mentality of a fucking five year old.
>>29693015
When your whole point is that "Unless you have perfect genetics you can never make it", then yeah, an example of someone with significant flaws making it is fucking important.
Do you even know what an anecdote is? It's a story someone tells you, not a provable example that shows you're incorrect.
fite me fagit
>>29693018
>How exactly do you figure that?
Bigger stronger bones. I mean this is not something that needs to be explained.
>Shat on in what way?
Big guys getting better results in shorter time with same routine or even worse sometimes.
>The point isn't "are there people better off than you", it's about being better than the average
For me the point is actually that there are people better off than you.
>And his shoulders are much, much smaller pre-lilfting to post lifting.
His shoulders are exactly the same. Your bones don't change through lifting.
>Confidence is entirely your own personal issues. Everyone fails, those who eventually succeed are those that continue to keep trying and improving.
Fucking bullshit. Those who succeed are the ones who had good starting position. They didn't get bullied, treated like shit every day for things out of their control. Crushed every time they tried anything. That's why they are succesful.
>You're calling nine fucking months trying? Even on /fit/ they say it takes two years to get any decent results unless you're roiding. Two years of excellent diet and training, too.
HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH. Dumb fucking normie. I know guys who barely lifted and they looked so much better than me due to their good genes. And you say I have to work hard at least two years?
>No-one's born strong or with a good body, retard.
But people are born attractive and tall.
>You've got the mentality of a fucking five year old.
Any actual arguments?
>>29693063
>When your whole point is that "Unless you have perfect genetics you can never make it", then yeah, an example of someone with significant flaws making it is fucking important.
That's not my point. My point is "Unless you have perfect genetics you have to work extremely hard to maybe make it (but likely not)".
>Do you even know what an anecdote is? It's a story someone tells you, not a provable example that shows you're incorrect.
Oh my god you're so fucking retarded. I don't even know if I should respond to such a dumb fucking retard who doesn't know what anecdotal "evidence" is.
>>29693015
Holy fuck you're retarded, the mental gymnastics you go through to tell yourself you're right and tou shouldn't try is astounding
Everytime i try to go to the gym i always give up after like 2 or 3 weeks.
I don't know, man, i don't feel good going to a place full of Chads, i feel like they are staring at me and my chubby body, laughing on their minds about how big of a failure i am.
>>29693114
Still waiting for the quote. Which you obviously have none.
>>29693086
>Bigger stronger bones. I mean this is not something that needs to be explained.
How do big bones make lifting easier? Strong bones have nothing to do with frame, and unless you have an actual medical disorder that significantly weakens your skeleton, you'll have no issues lifting.
>Big guys getting better results in shorter time with same routine or even worse sometimes.
So someone who started off bigger than you looks bigger than you after you both improve at the same rate for the same amount of time. How is this a failure?
>For me the point is actually that there are people better off than you.
There's always people better off than you. Ronnie Coleman is better off than Dorian Yates. But as far as strength goes, Eddie Hall is much better than him. No-one is the best at everything.
>His shoulders are exactly the same. Your bones don't change through lifting.
Are you implying it's not possible to put muscle on your shoulders? Do you know what a deltoid is?
And compare the photos, he's much wider after lifting, it's physically impossible not to be.
>Fucking bullshit. Those who succeed are the ones who had good starting position. They didn't get bullied, treated like shit every day for things out of their control. Crushed every time they tried anything. That's why they are succesful.
How the fuck could you know? Do you personally know every single successful guy? Lifters in particular are massively insecure people. Arnie started out at a massive disadvantage.
>I know guys who barely lifted and they looked so much better than me due to their good genes. And you say I have to work hard at least two years?
Those guys look better because they were physically active long term before you ever touched a weight. You can look good within two years if you work hard from an absolute skelly/fatasfatass. Or you can refuse to, and stay looking shit forever.
>bullied his entire life
>no money lives with parents
>is a part time garbage man
>trains hard everyday
>becomes one of the most dominant fighters in history
>>29693145
Everbody here is picking apart your shitty arguments and quoting you, so there's no reason too. Keep my thread bumped though cuck
>>29693187
>How do big bones make lifting easier? Strong bones have nothing to do with frame, and unless you have an actual medical disorder that significantly weakens your skeleton, you'll have no issues lifting.
Having a stronger skeleton means you can lift more.
>So someone who started off bigger than you looks bigger than you after you both improve at the same rate for the same amount of time. How is this a failure?
Because I worked hard and still was overcome by someone with good starting position.
>There's always people better off than you. Ronnie Coleman is better off than Dorian Yates. But as far as strength goes, Eddie Hall is much better than him. No-one is the best at everything.
There is a difference between being one of the strongest and being (like me) so under average I can't even see it. And I'm obviously talking about things out of my control.
>Are you implying it's not possible to put muscle on your shoulders? Do you know what a deltoid is?
Do you know why I said bones you dumb fucking retard?
>How the fuck could you know? Do you personally know every single successful guy?
I know enough.
>Arnie started out at a massive disadvantage.
Yeah being 6'3" and all. Poor fellow.
>Those guys look better because they were physically active long term before you ever touched a weight. You can look good within two years if you work hard from an absolute skelly/fatasfatass. Or you can refuse to, and stay looking shit forever.
No it's because they were tall and good looking. Also they had a big frame.
>>29693241
Still waiting. But obviously you will just dodge and not post anything. Like the retarded normie you are.
>>29693222
And yet I don't recognize him. Also he worked hard to participate in society that bullied him, he is a cuck.
>>29693086
>But people are born attractive and tall.
Attractiveness comes from looking after yourself too, if you treat your body like complete shit, regardless of your genetics, you'll look shit. You see it regularly in music, people that lose their looks because of a shitty lifestyle.
>Any actual arguments?
Gee, I dunno, maybe the entire point before that that you ignored, where I explained why your mentality was stupid? Don't quote half my fucking point and then act like there's no logic there, retard.
>>29693109
>Unless you have perfect genetics you have to work extremely hard to maybe make it (but likely not)
This is legitimately the stupidest argument I've seen so far, congrats. You're literally going "life is pointless and I can never achieve anything because I don't want to have to work for it". Once again. The mentality of a five year old.
That guy has scoliosis, very badly too, and is a reknowned bodybuilder. What issues do you have that can stop you just looking good in the average gym?
>Oh my god you're so fucking retarded. I don't even know if I should respond to such a dumb fucking retard who doesn't know what anecdotal "evidence" is.
Why don't you explain it then, seeing as you have such a great understanding of debate techniques. Anecdotal evidence is using an anecdote as evidence. A provable case is not an anecdote.
By the way, fisking is a fucking incredibly dishonest way to argue.
>>29693222
he is weird as fuck too.
>>29693254
If you don't know who GSP is I'm sorry for you.
>>29692315
Healthy brains are only found in healthy body. There has never been a smart person who was fat. It's impossible. Anyone smart would never become fat, and anyone fat would never become fat. Fat people are subhuman.
>>29693254
Gsp is a cuck and you aren't? Fukkin lol
>>29693242
>Having a stronger skeleton means you can lift more
So the difference between lifting three and four plates as your max. Also, you've yet to explain why your skeleton is so weak you can't lift heavy.
>Because I worked hard and still was overcome by someone with good starting position.
So did they. Someone who started being physically active before you, and started lifting and improving at the same rate as you should be bigger than you.
>There is a difference between being one of the strongest and being (like me) so under average I can't even see it. And I'm obviously talking about things out of my control.
You're under average because you don't try. Do you think those people just go to the gym a couple days a week and barely do anything else because their genetics let them succeed?
>Do you know why I said bones you dumb fucking retard?
Do you? Because you've legitimately got no logic going on here as far as I can tell. You lift, you get bigger delts, you get wider. What's your counter to this?
>I know enough.
Yeah, sure you do. But none of the actual examples provided in the thread count for anything, right?
>Yeah being 6'3" and all. Poor fellow.
Height has fuck all to do with how successful a bodybuilder you are. How about you look at the rest of his life, not just the one thing you can go "But this was good, so he doesn't count!".
>No it's because they were tall and good looking. Also they had a big frame
You're legitimately impossible to debate anything with. I've explained to you why you're wrong, and you've just twisted around yourself, and ignored my arguments to go "No, I'm right".
>>29693259
>Attractiveness comes from looking after yourself too, if you treat your body like complete shit, regardless of your genetics, you'll look shit. You see it regularly in music, people that lose their looks because of a shitty lifestyle.
And you also see many ugly people who look after themselves and get significantly worse results.
>Gee, I dunno, maybe the entire point before that that you ignored, where I explained why your mentality was stupid? Don't quote half my fucking point and then act like there's no logic there, retard.
That's irrelevant. If you work hard but get worse results compared to someone who got genetically gifted you are a retarded cuck.
>This is legitimately the stupidest argument I've seen so far, congrats. You're literally going "life is pointless and I can never achieve anything because I don't want to have to work for it".
If I am expected to work hard for things I could have had easily if I was born differently, then I'm not gonna work hard. It's rational. Because if I did work hard, I would be accepting humiliation. That won't happen.
>What issues do you have that can stop you just looking good in the average gym?
I'm short and extremely ugly.
>A provable case is not an anecdote.
Lol. You don't know what you're talking about. Just because some people who worked hard made it doesn't mean everyone who works hard makes it.
>>29692076
Better looking than you bud
I don't need to go to r9k to assuage my inferiority complex either
Loling at all the butthurt fatass faggots ITT and that one fat faggot fenying he's a cuck. This thread is gold
Use to be in ludicrously good shape
>lift for and hour, run for an hour, and then cycle 40miles.
>derailleur was damaged so i kept it in the hardest gear always.
>injure back take break from lifting
>neighborhood infested with gang scum and loose dogs, stopped running.
>short on money had to sell bike.
>use to lift at home of a friend but he since sold his equipment and starting using a gym
>hate the gym but go any way, injure back getting off the bench.
its over familia im never gonna be that fit again
>>29693360
At least you admit you have an inferiority complex you fatfuck, probably hide candy bars in your pillow case so your mommy won't find them.
>>29693372
............
havent worked out in almost 2 years
>>29693349
>Also, you've yet to explain why your skeleton is so weak you can't lift heavy.
This is not about me. I'm talking in general.
>So did they. Someone who started being physically active before you, and started lifting and improving at the same rate as you should be bigger than you.
I like how you try to do what every normie does. Act like everything is in your control. The fact that sometimes it's not about starting sooner, but just being gifted even without doing anything is completely beyond your understanding.
>You're under average because you don't try. Do you think those people just go to the gym a couple days a week and barely do anything else because their genetics let them succeed?
Wrong. I'm under average even in things that can't be at all affected by trying.
>You lift, you get bigger delts, you get wider. What's your counter to this?
That your bones get the same.
>But none of the actual examples provided in the thread count for anything, right?
Examples mean jack shit. I could post lottery winners saying how everyone can win the lottery. But for every lottery winner you have by definion many many people who bought the ticket and lost. That's how relevant are you examples.
>Height has fuck all to do with how successful a bodybuilder you are.
Height affects everything.
>I've explained to you why you're wrong
No you haven't. I'm almost tempted to ask you to point where exactly have you explained why I'm wrong. But it would be a waste of time.
>>29691861
you can tell because his bed is right up against the dresser.
no girl wants a man that lives in a hobbithole.
Find a rock climbing gym near you
>stick headphones in
>do easy routes, poke around higher difficulties
>go on hikes
>>29693384
wow, you come across as having a severe mental illness. i'm sorry you feel badly anon. it's okay. if you would admit it, you might actually get some help. good luck becoming a human being again.
>>29692076
>fat jew
>>29693352
>And you also see many ugly people who look after themselves and get significantly worse results.
Once again, you're bitching about your absolute top potential. And if your facial attractiveness and reaching that absolute top 1% is that important to you, have surgery done.
>That's irrelevant. If you work hard but get worse results compared to someone who got genetically gifted you are a retarded cuck.
Restating your point isn't an argument, faggot.
>If I am expected to work hard for things I could have had easily if I was born differently, then I'm not gonna work hard. It's rational. Because if I did work hard, I would be accepting humiliation. That won't happen.
No, by working hard and improving, you're fighting against humiliation. By definition you're accepting it, by going "I am a failure and will always be a failure, so shouldn't even bother trying". You're accepting your current place in the world.
>I'm short and extremely ugly.
Height has nothing to do with how good your body is, there's short contestants in the Olympia. And as for extremely ugly, that once again has nothing to do with a gym. Lift and your features will get more defined as you lose bodyfat though, I should add.
>Lol. You don't know what you're talking about
Are you going to explain how I'm wrong? Or just shitpost about it?
>Just because some people who worked hard made it doesn't mean everyone who works hard makes it.
And not everyone with great genetics who works hard makes it. What's your point here?
But if you're talking about in a gym, then yeah, keep lifting and keep your diet good, and you'll make it. Want to look bigger than your natty limit? Roid. Short of a medical condition that needs treatment before you start lifting, you can make it.
>>29693429
>Once again, you're bitching about your absolute top potential. And if your facial attractiveness and reaching that absolute top 1% is that important to you, have surgery done.
Not really. I'm talking about how if you are a 2/10 and you start lifting, you will at best get to 3/10. If you are a 6 or 7/10 you can easily get 9/10. For same amount of work. No equality of outcome.
>No, by working hard and improving, you're fighting against humiliation.
No I am not. I am improving not to be humiliated by normies. Which means I am accepting their game. That means I've lost.
>Lift and your features will get more defined as you lose bodyfat though, I should add.
Exposing shitty features sure will help.
>And not everyone with great genetics who works hard makes it. What's your point here?
That people with great genetics are much more likely to make it.
>>29693331
There are smart people who don't work out.
You don't need to work out to be smart.
>>29693402
>This is not about me. I'm talking in general.
Short of osteoporosis, your skeleton has nothing to with lifting heavy.
>I like how you try to do what every normie does
You're clearly a failed normie anon, I wouldn't use that like an insult.
>The fact that sometimes it's not about starting sooner, but just being gifted even without doing anything is completely beyond your understanding.
Seeing as you've yet to explain why it's out of your control? While I've explained how in this case, it is? I'd say my understanding is far greater than yours, at least as far as demonstration goes.
>Wrong. I'm under average even in things that can't be at all affected by trying.
Are we talking about the gym here, or all of life? And is it you, or in general?
>That your bones get the same.
No-one's impressed by your great skeletal structure. They're impressed by how you look.
>Examples mean jack shit.
So what then, you want studies? On what exactly?
The lottery is nothing like this, by the way.
>Height affects everything.
How's that anon? I've said this before by the way, don't ignore half my fucking posts and then act like you've got the high ground, I have no interest in arguing against some fisking retard who can't even counter most of a point, so just takes things out of context and uses that.
>No you haven't. I'm almost tempted to ask you to point where exactly have you explained why I'm wrong. But it would be a waste of time
For this point? Sure, right here.
>>29693187
Last two lines. A quote so you don't get lost.
>Those guys look better because they were physically active long term before you ever touched a weight. You can look good within two years if you work hard from an absolute skelly/fatasfatass. Or you can refuse to, and stay looking shit forever.
>>29693331
My dad is fat and he's a psychiatrist with a 140 IQ.
You are retarded.
>>29693483
>Short of osteoporosis, your skeleton has nothing to with lifting heavy.
I think that's bullshit.
>Seeing as you've yet to explain why it's out of your control? While I've explained how in this case, it is? I'd say my understanding is far greater than yours, at least as far as demonstration goes.
Can I change my height? My looks? My testosterone levels?
>Are we talking about the gym here, or all of life? And is it you, or in general?
All of life. And in general. There are people like that.
>No-one's impressed by your great skeletal structure. They're impressed by how you look.
And if you have two guys, one with very broad frame and one with narrow frame. The one with narrow frame would have to lift hard to even get to the point where the big framed guy was by default.
>I have no interest in arguing
Then we don't have to argue. But I'm still right. Don't bother responding further.
>>29693470
>Not really
Objectively.
> I'm talking about how if you are a 2/10 and you start lifting, you will at best get to 3/10. If you are a 6 or 7/10 you can easily get 9/10. For same amount of work. No equality of outcome.
Now you're moving the goalposts. We were talking about general aesthetics of your body, not overall. As I said, if you want to be a 10/10, go get surgery.
And butterface applies to guys too, if you're very ugly facially but have a great body, many people will find you attractive still.
>No I am not. I am improving not to be humiliated by normies. Which means I am accepting their game. That means I've lost.
You ignored half my post again. I explained exactly how you're the one currently accepting humiliation.
>Exposing shitty features sure will help.
How will having a more defined jaw, chin and cheekbones not help you?
>That people with great genetics are much more likely to make it.
So now you're arguing for statistical likeliness, not objectivity. Statistically, most people who try will never be huge successes. Does that mean no-one should ever try at anything?
>>29693384
This is what I look like
I don't know how you manage to devote so much time to yourself, and still manage to have a terrible personality
You choose r9k, of all places, to post yourself flexing a bicep because you know it's the only place where you can go and feel superior to someone
Basically, what he said >>29693412
>>29693536
> As I said, if you want to be a 10/10, go get surgery.
Why should I? I could have been born top great looking Chad. It's not fair.
>I explained exactly how you're the one currently accepting humiliation.
And you're wrong. Normies treat you like shit, humiliate you. So you try to improve but then you're a cuck. You're accepting their game. You got beaten into complacency.
>How will having a more defined jaw, chin and cheekbones not help you?
By having shitty jaw, chin and cheekbones.
>Statistically, most people who try will never be huge successes. Does that mean no-one should ever try at anything?
To me it does. Equality of outcome or I will never try at anything.
>>29691847
i'm a rugby player mate, I need this body to go front row...
>>29693551
Hmmm... you look alright. 7/10 at best.
>>29693530
>I think that's bullshit.
I don't really care about what you think. Your skeleton isn't going to splinter under a 2pl8 bench.
>Can I change my height?
We're talking about the gym here. But yes, surgery or shoes.
>My looks?
Weightloss, lifting, taking care of your skin and making sure you're regularly having your hair cut and dressing well.
>My testosterone levels?
Medically speaking, test levels within the normal range don't impact your ability to build muscle particularly much. But yes, you can, sleep and diet are important, and if you want a major change, roid. If your test levels were a major barrier to your potential you'd be a candidate for TRT though.
>All of life. And in general. There are people like that.
Well then I can't actually explain how everyone in the world should improve at everything ever, that's a ridiculous thing to ask of me.
>And if you have two guys, one with very broad frame and one with narrow frame. The one with narrow frame would have to lift hard to even get to the point where the big framed guy was by default.
Your point? Both are broad by the end point. And extremely wide frames like 22" plus are super rare in people that don't lift. You can easily achieve it if you do though, even more so if you roid.
>Then we don't have to argue. But I'm still right. Don't bother responding further.
>he's still fucking fisking
>>29693473
There are only smart people who aren't fat. You don't get fat from not working out. I guess you must be fat because only a fucking retard could post something as stupid an you did.
>>29693528
And my dick is 12x8". I'm curious though. Is your fat faggot father lying about his job and iq to you or are you the fat faggot son lying about his dad's iq on the Internet?
>>29693620
>We're talking about the gym here. But yes, surgery or shoes.
While tall men don't have to use any of these. Once again. Not fair.
>Weightloss, lifting, taking care of your skin and making sure you're regularly having your hair cut and dressing well.
See above.
>Your point? Both are broad by the end point.
My point is that it's not fair that narrow shouldered guy had to lift hard for it.
You guys are still responding to a bait thread?
>>29693596
>Why should I? I could have been born top great looking Chad. It's not fair.
Cry about it, faggot. No-one's born 10/10, that takes a lot of work to achieve. Once again, this is a 5 year old's mentality.
>And you're wrong. Normies treat you like shit, humiliate you. So you try to improve but then you're a cuck. You're accepting their game. You got beaten into complacency.
So, you're arguing that those who refuse to be complacent about their situation are the one's being complacent with it?
You're saying that because normies treated you badly, you will no longer even try. And then saying that it's others who've been beaten into complacency. Do you seriously not see the issue there?
>By having shitty jaw, chin and cheekbones.
That doesn't answer my question.
>To me it does. Equality of outcome or I will never try at anything.
Shit mate, better stop eating then, someone else might enjoy your next meal more than you do, and you wouldn't want to be cucked, would you? Also, don't post again, someone else might appreciate your post number more, so you don't want to risk not getting the best possible scenario out of that.
>>29693624
Thinking that being fat automatically makes you unable of being smart is retarded. Weight has nothing to do with brains.
Have fun being delusional, fag.
>>29693551
Work harder faggot you could look much better
>>29693412
Yes because how i act on here trolling is how i act in real life, how fucking stupid are you
>>29693403
That's not even my house you fat loser
>>29693644
>While tall men don't have to use any of these. Once again. Not fair.
You're the one who wants to achieve it here, not them. If they wanted to be shorter (many extremely tall people do), they would also have to have surgery. Nothing's equal.
>See above.
No-one's born with a good body, hairstyle and clothes anon.
>My point is that it's not fair that narrow shouldered guy had to lift hard for it.
And if the broad guy doesn't lift he just looks fat. Is it unfair that he looks that way if he doesn't lift?
>>29693678
Its not the fat that makes them stupid. Only a stupid person would let themselves get fat. A smart person would notice they don't fit in their clothes and assume they're fat instead of thinking all of their clothes somehow shrank at the same rate.
>>29693675
>Cry about it, faggot. No-one's born 10/10, that takes a lot of work to achieve. Once again, this is a 5 year old's mentality.
Why is it a 5 year olds mentality that people shouldn't have harder life because of things out of their control?
>So, you're arguing that those who refuse to be complacent about their situation are the one's being complacent with it?
Yes because they are doing what normies want them to. They give in to the pressure.
>And then saying that it's others who've been beaten into complacency. Do you seriously not see the issue there?
I seriously do not. No matter how I look at it.
>That doesn't answer my question.
When something is shit, it's better covered up.
>Shit mate, better stop eating then, someone else might enjoy your next meal more than you do, and you wouldn't want to be cucked, would you? Also, don't post again, someone else might appreciate your post number more, so you don't want to risk not getting the best possible scenario out of that.
You're exactly right. I hate that I have to exist. Only solution is to leave society and never be around people at all. I'm working towards that goal. It's the only thing that keeps me going.
>>29693678
>this is what fat people tell themselves
Can't think of a nobel proze winner that was obese, and if you can manage to think of one it would be the exception to the rule
been doing mostly bodyweight stuff for a month, was a skelly to begin with
any advice, sorry for the shit quality
>>29693697
Lol
OP get some help, you're honestly a pathetic human being on many levels
>pic related, the ass I pull even though I "could look much better"
>>29693709
>You're the one who wants to achieve it here, not them.
They already achieved that.
>If they wanted to be shorter (many extremely tall people do), they would also have to have surgery. Nothing's equal.
Extremely tall people don't know what they want. I know a 6'5" who said things like that. I laughed in his face and called him a fucking retard. Because that's what he is. Being extremely tall is objectively much better than being extremely short.
>No-one's born with a good body, hairstyle and clothes anon.
Once again ignoring the things that can't be changed.
>And if the broad guy doesn't lift he just looks fat. Is it unfair that he looks that way if he doesn't lift?
Look at this post >>29692442
It's a photo of him before he touched a weight. He doesn't look fat to me.
>>29693744
Go to /fit/
Read the sticky)(((6
>>29693721
>Why is it a 5 year olds mentality that people shouldn't have harder life because of things out of their control?
Because you're saying that if you don't get instant gratification, it's not worth doing. That is how infants act.
>Yes because they are doing what normies want them to. They give in to the pressure.
I thought normies wanted you to fail? So, by being a failure and not trying to change that, you're the one giving in, according to you.
>I seriously do not. No matter how I look at it.
You should see a therapist then, because your world view is extremely warped. Not just your opinions on it, but the actual way you're approaching points presented to you.
>When something is shit, it's better covered up.
Still can't answer it huh? Just gonna fisk and dodge until I give up posting, and then claim victory?
>You're exactly right. I hate that I have to exist. Only solution is to leave society and never be around people at all. I'm working towards that goal. It's the only thing that keeps me going.
No don't do that either. Someone else might enjoy living that way more than you do, and if you do it ignoring that, you'd be cucking yourself.
>>29693752
>Extremely tall people don't know what they want. I know a 6'5" who said things like that. I laughed in his face and called him a fucking retard. Because that's what he is. Being extremely tall is objectively much better than being extremely short.
Being extremely tall brings literal health issues, faggot. And not everyone wants to stand out in a crowd. If you laughed in someone's face and insulted them though, then it sounds more like you're very unlikeable, which is going to be the reason you're a social failure, not your looks.
>Once again ignoring the things that can't be changed.
Only one I ignored was good skin, and that's because sometimes young people have good skin without taking care of it. Not usually, but sometimes, and they always grow out of it.
>It's a photo of him before he touched a weight. He doesn't look fat to me.
He also doesn't look particularly broad there.
>>29693765
>Because you're saying that if you don't get instant gratification, it's not worth doing. That is how infants act.
That's not at all what I said. I just said that it's not fair that if I work hard I will get worse results compared to someone who worked just as hard but had better starting position.
>I thought normies wanted you to fail? So, by being a failure and not trying to change that, you're the one giving in, according to you.
That's the problem. Normies always win. If I work hard and overcome failure, I am in some way participating in society. Paying taxes and in general being useful to normies. So they win. If I never try at anything, normies win but at least I'm not giving anything to them. Out of the two evils, it's the lesser one.
>You should see a therapist then, because your world view is extremely warped. Not just your opinions on it, but the actual way you're approaching points presented to you.
Not the first time I'm hearing this suggestion I gotta say. But that's not gonna happen. I would be risking getting thrown into a mental ward.
>No don't do that either. Someone else might enjoy living that way more than you do, and if you do it ignoring that, you'd be cucking yourself.
But I won't be part of society so I won't have any reason to care.
>>29693793
>Being extremely tall brings literal health issues, faggot.
So what? Their lives are so much better they still win. I would rather live 50 years as extremely tall attractive Chad than 80 years as regular me.
>then it sounds more like you're very unlikeable, which is going to be the reason you're a social failure, not your looks.
I started being like that due to bad treatment for things out of my control. Sure now I am bitter hateful unlikeable asshole. But it's only due to being beaten. Due to being humiliated and due to always having to work much harder for everything. And why you ask? Being short and ugly was enough to ensure this. You normies caused this.
>He also doesn't look particularly broad there.
Looks broader than most men I know who never lift.
>>29693808
>That's not at all what I said. I just said that it's not fair that if I work hard I will get worse results compared to someone who worked just as hard but had better starting position.
You did argue for that, in going "I won't lift at all if I have to lift for too long to get good results". Also, the starting position comes from them doing stuff before you.
>That's the problem. Normies always win. If I work hard and overcome failure, I am in some way participating in society. Paying taxes and in general being useful to normies. So they win. If I never try at anything, normies win but at least I'm not giving anything to them. Out of the two evils, it's the lesser one.
You're defining victory off arbitrary traits here, and then claiming that others fit them so life is unfair. That's ridiculous.
>Not the first time I'm hearing this suggestion I gotta say. But that's not gonna happen. I would be risking getting thrown into a mental ward.
Maybe you should listen to it then? You can't get thrown into a ward unless you're an immediate and significant risk of killing yourself or someone else. Psych wards don't have the beds for people with issues like you.
>But I won't be part of society so I won't have any reason to care.
Sounds like you're accepting being a cuck then.
>>29693831
>So what? Their lives are so much better they still win.
Clearly their lives aren't that great, seeing as they'd prefer to be shorter.
>I started being like that due to bad treatment for things out of my control
Makes no sense mate. Your actions are in your control. You choose what you say and do.
>Being short and ugly was enough to ensure this. You normies caused this.
I know plenty of short ugly people that are nice as fuck, and don't get treated badly. You're treated badly because in your own words, you're a bitter hateful unlikeable asshole.
>Looks broader than most men I know who never lift.
Doesn't to me, the angle hides any broadness. And as I said, a broad skinnyfat guy just looks fat.
>>29693749
Are you saying you couldn't look much better? Am I suppose to be jealous of that? I'm a horrible human being yet you post a snapchat pic of some girl on 4chan of all places
Fukkin lol you cucks never cease to amaze me
>>29693844
>You did argue for that, in going "I won't lift at all if I have to lift for too long to get good results". Also, the starting position comes from them doing stuff before you.
Starting position comes from genes.
>You're defining victory off arbitrary traits here, and then claiming that others fit them so life is unfair. That's ridiculous.
I honestly don't see how it's ridiculous. Normies want me to fail, if I fail, they win. If I don't fail, I participate in human society, pay taxes, have a job. I give to society through my participation. And hence normies win again.
>Maybe you should listen to it then?
I can't go into therapy. There are reasons. I don't even need it. I've been arguing this worldview on /r9k/ for about a year now and I have yet to hear one good argument that isn't "hurr dats life mayne". Why should I need therapy? To be cured from the truth? Lol.
>Sounds like you're accepting being a cuck then.
Well as long as I'm not giving anything to society of normies, I don't care.
>>29693863
>seeing as they'd prefer to be shorter.
They have no idea what they would be in for. It's just ignorance.
>Makes no sense mate. Your actions are in your control. You choose what you say and do.
I was beaten and humiliated because of my short stature and bad looks. The shortest boy in class is the obvious target.
>I know plenty of short ugly people that are nice as fuck, and don't get treated badly.
That's because they adjust their behavior to be non-confrontational and meek. But that alone proves they are being treated worse. Ugly people are less succesful, earn less, hell they are even dumber that attractive people.
>Doesn't to me, the angle hides any broadness. And as I said, a broad skinnyfat guy just looks fat.
You're a dumb fuck. He looks broad.
>>29693874
>Starting position comes from genes.
What genes would those be, exactly?
>I honestly don't see how it's ridiculous. Normies want me to fail, if I fail, they win. If I don't fail, I participate in human society, pay taxes, have a job. I give to society through my participation. And hence normies win again.
Because no-one fucking wants you to fail, that's an incredibly narcissistic way to act. Society doesn't care if you succeed or fail.
>I can't go into therapy. There are reasons.
What reasons?
>I don't even need it
You really do. The fact you think you've never seen a decent argument, alongside the ignoring of my points, fisking some so they look like they're shit points, and the incredible mental gymnastics you're doing say you really do need some help.
>Why should I need therapy? To be cured from the truth? Lol.
I already explained why you do in my last post.
>Well as long as I'm not giving anything to society of normies, I don't care.
But I thought they wanted you to fail? You're failing, so you're giving them what they want.
>>29691847
Fucking manlet. Grow a foot and I might take you seriously
>>29693908
>They have no idea what they would be in for. It's just ignorance
Neither do you though. None of us know what it's like to be something we've never been.
>I was beaten and humiliated because of my short stature and bad looks. The shortest boy in class is the obvious target.
Not from my experience. The average person isn't a bully. And you're an adult. There are no fucking bullies anymore, this isn't high school anymore.
>That's because they adjust their behavior to be non-confrontational and meek
Not really, the dude doesn't exactly fight, but he's loud as fuck, and has strong opinions. Others are different. Some tall people are very meek that I know.
>Ugly people are less succesful, earn less, hell they are even dumber that attractive people.
Let me guess, this is because of the halo effect? You should really research how that thing works before you use it as proof. It only works until you actually meet the person.
>You're a dumb fuck. He looks broad.
He objectively doesn't. And he's also not skinnyfat, he's clearly at some sort of boxing club or the like, and has been physically active.
>>29693934
>What genes would those be, exactly?
Height, good looks, frame, big penis, intelligence.
>Because no-one fucking wants you to fail, that's an incredibly narcissistic way to act. Society doesn't care if you succeed or fail.
Then why are losers shunned and laughed at?
>What reasons?
By saying "There are reasons" I think I made it perfectly clear that I don't want to discuss them.
>You really do. The fact you think you've never seen a decent argument, alongside the ignoring of my points, fisking some so they look like they're shit points, and the incredible mental gymnastics you're doing say you really do need some help.
That's your opinion.
>I already explained why you do in my last post.
And I don't agree with it. There are no logical points against what I've said. Just retarded non-points like "that's life" or "it is how it is" but I will not accept unfairness.
>But I thought they wanted you to fail? You're failing, so you're giving them what they want.
Yes but it's better than winning because then I would be giving them even more. They would get the satisfaction that they have broken me and they also get my participation in society. If I fail then they won, but they don't get anything that normal people give, like work, children, taxes, etc.
>>29693966
>Neither do you though. None of us know what it's like to be something we've never been.
All the statistics proving how tall people have massive advantage in just about everything tells me enough.
>Not from my experience. The average person isn't a bully. And you're an adult. There are no fucking bullies anymore, this isn't high school anymore.
This bullying shaped me. During my formative years I had to walk on eggshells, I had to watch my back at every turn. I had my confidence destroyed. You would be a fool to say these things don't affect someone.
>Not really, the dude doesn't exactly fight, but he's loud as fuck, and has strong opinions. Others are different. Some tall people are very meek that I know.
Who gives a shit what you say.
>Let me guess, this is because of the halo effect? You should really research how that thing works before you use it as proof. It only works until you actually meet the person.
[citation needed]
>He objectively doesn't. And he's also not skinnyfat, he's clearly at some sort of boxing club or the like, and has been physically active.
He objectively does.
>>29693956
Im prob taller than your bitchass
6 foot masterrace nikka
Genetics are a meme. Id like to see someone take 750mg tren a week and try not to gain weight. The only excuse for not being a swole Adonis is being too stupid to do basic research. There are no downsides to steroid use assuming proper ancillaries and training. Diet doesn't even matter really, just try to eat everything and you win.
>>29693973
>Height, good looks, frame, big penis, intelligence.
No, those are traits. What genes exactly are they? Surely you know, seeing as you keep espousing this knowledge of genetics.
>Then why are losers shunned and laughed at?
Most people don't laugh at losers, they laugh at those that do funny shit. An autistic person isn't funny to most people, it's just sad. Chrischan is laughed at because of what he does.
>By saying "There are reasons" I think I made it perfectly clear that I don't want to discuss them.
Yeah, it would be terrible if you had to share your deep dark secrets on an anonymous website, wouldn't it? Sounds to me like you know you have no read reasons.
>That's your opinion.
The way you've been arguing is objective, not my opinion.
>There are no logical points against what I've said. Just retarded non-points like "that's life" or "it is how it is" but I will not accept unfairness.
You don't define logic. You going "Well I don't like that" doesn't make a point is illogical. You've proven to be incapable of even admitting any logical flaws on your own behalf, and admitted that others apart from me also share the opinion you need help. It's not just one person saying this shit, or my opinion.
>Yes but it's better than winning because then I would be giving them even more. They would get the satisfaction that they have broken me and they also get my participation in society. If I fail then they won, but they don't get anything that normal people give, like work, children, taxes, etc.
I've already explained why this is wrong anon, I'm not going to repeat myself to try to dispel your delusions. You'll just twist around some more and act like it doesn't count.
>>29694006
>All the statistics proving how tall people have massive advantage in just about everything tells me enough.
Which ones are those? The world is literally build for average people. And there's medical proof that being tall is worse than being short.
>This bullying shaped me. During my formative years I had to walk on eggshells, I had to watch my back at every turn. I had my confidence destroyed. You would be a fool to say these things don't affect someone.
How exactly were you bullied? Don't use high modality language and be vague about it, either, explain what actually happened to you that was so bad you're acting like it's severe trauma.
>Who gives a shit what you say.
You brought it up faggot, so evidently you.
>[citation needed]
Can you not read? All of the studies have involved a photo of a person, with you never meeting the individual in question. It exclusively speaks about before meeting someone.
>He objectively does.
>he's still ignoring most of my posts
>>29694046
>No, those are traits. What genes exactly are they? Surely you know, seeing as you keep espousing this knowledge of genetics.
They are things out of your control. That's what matters.
>Most people don't laugh at losers, they laugh at those that do funny shit. An autistic person isn't funny to most people, it's just sad. Chrischan is laughed at because of what he does.
Most people shun homeless, gypsies and losers.
>Sounds to me like you know you have no read reasons.
You're wrong. Let's just say there is something I like doing. And if I have ANY history of mental illness at all, I will never be able to do it again. It's one of the few things that brings me joy. And I started doing it before my mindset changed.
>I've already explained why this is wrong anon, I'm not going to repeat myself to try to dispel your delusions. You'll just twist around some more and act like it doesn't count.
I've read your posts again. I still don't understand where you explained it. Everything you have "explained" has been disproven by me.
>>29694099
>They are things out of your control. That's what matters.
You didn't answer my question. If it's all genetics, what gene causes those things? Surely you understand this stuff?
>Most people shun homeless, gypsies and losers.
Because homeless people are much, much more likely to be drug addicts or criminals. Who the fuck cares about gypsies, they exist in shitty third world countries, and you've not defined loser adequately. Once again though, you ignored my point. People don't laugh at failures, they laugh at people who do stupid shit. Going "those who are losers are shunned" is redundant.
>You're wrong. Let's just say there is something I like doing. And if I have ANY history of mental illness at all, I will never be able to do it again. It's one of the few things that brings me joy. And I started doing it before my mindset changed.
So what, you like shooting? What you're experiencing isn't enough for people to take your guns, you don't just have it removed for being treated, you have to be proven irresponsible first. As in you've been hospitalised recently.
>I've read your posts again. I still don't understand where you explained it. Everything you have "explained" has been disproven by me.
You haven't disproven anything I've said. You've just ignored half my posts, then argued against out of context parts, flat out ignored points you can't argue against, or decided to just restate you points. The reason you need therapy is because of the way you're treating the debate. Not your opinions, but your view of others opinions, and the way you approach any opposing views.
>>29694096
>Which ones are those? The world is literally build for average people. And there's medical proof that being tall is worse than being short.
Just go to google, type in "tall advantage" or anything similar and read up.
>How exactly were you bullied? Don't use high modality language and be vague about it, either, explain what actually happened to you that was so bad you're acting like it's severe trauma.
I got beaten a lot. First by girls, I was about 11 so the power difference wasn't that big yet and they attacked in groups. That bullying was pretty okay. Only bruises, broken nose. Nothing bad.
Obviously this didn't last long as I started growing I could easily fight them off. But being bullied by girls at young age obviously maked me as a target for guys. And that was something I couldn't fight off. I had wet cloth held on my face so I couldn't breathe, I was burned with lighters, beaten up. After being beaten up I was often stripped into just my underwear and thrown into a classroom full of girls who would all start laughing at me and then I would get in trouble for being a pervert (everyone would side with the Chads and turn against me). I had to wear long sleeves well into summer until the bruises on my arms disappeared. I've had my school bag thrown out of the window and got into trouble when I went to get it. I had to carry a carpenter pencil, because it was much harder to break than normal pencils, which got broken/stolen very often.
I could go on, but what's the point. You will still say I deserved it. Yeah how dare was I short and ugly.
>Can you not read? All of the studies have involved a photo of a person, with you never meeting the individual in question. It exclusively speaks about before meeting someone.
And this translates into when you meet someone.
>>29694150
>You didn't answer my question. If it's all genetics, what gene causes those things? Surely you understand this stuff?
I don't care. What's important is that these things are out of my control.
>People don't laugh at failures, they laugh at people who do stupid shit. Going "those who are losers are shunned" is redundant.
People laugh at people who do stupid shit and they hate and mock failures.
>What you're experiencing isn't enough for people to take your guns, you don't just have it removed for being treated, you have to be proven irresponsible first. As in you've been hospitalised recently.
My country has different laws. You said that gypsies only exist in shitty third world countries, well that's the reason why I mentioned them. Because I live in one. Well technically my country is second world (post soviet), but you get the point. Here having ANY psychological problems at all pretty much disqualifies you. Hell some doctors even make you take a psychological test before giving you the license.
>The reason you need therapy is because of the way you're treating the debate. Not your opinions, but your view of others opinions, and the way you approach any opposing views.
I don't understand. I really don't.
I hate being fat. I need to change.
Whereas most depressed people scarcely eat anything, I eat just to think of something else.
I need to fucking stop...
>>29694180
>Just go to google, type in "tall advantage" or anything similar and read up.
Provide the source mate, should be easy. And you're ignoring the medical disadvantages still.
>I got beaten a lot. First by girls, I was about 11 so the power difference wasn't that big yet and they attacked in groups
That is shitty, but admittedly, you were extremely young.
> And that was something I couldn't fight off. I had wet cloth held on my face so I couldn't breathe, I was burned with lighters, beaten up. After being beaten up I was often stripped into just my underwear and thrown into a classroom full of girls who would all start laughing at me and then I would get in trouble for being a pervert (everyone would side with the Chads and turn against me). I had to wear long sleeves well into summer until the bruises on my arms disappeared. I've had my school bag thrown out of the window and got into trouble when I went to get it. I had to carry a carpenter pencil, because it was much harder to break than normal pencils, which got broken/stolen very often.
This I find hard to believe. No-one notices your constant abuse? No-one contacted the police, or even CPS, who then contacted the police?
The classroom part I'm sure I've heard somewhere before, as well, to the word. And no teacher would punish you for having a bad thrown out a window.
>And this translates into when you meet someone.
If that was the case, there would be studies saying that it did. Which there aren't.
>>29693744
Move on to weightlifting and mix in bodyweight workouts
Will eating ok, walk like 2 hours, run some and just doing pushups and using 2x 6 kilo weights in various ways get me anywhere?
Been at it for a while and I'm sure losing weight and gaining some muscle.
Too autist for gym.
>>29694233
>I don't care. What's important is that these things are out of my control.
So then don't act like you've got science on your side when you have no idea about the topic at hand. And I've already explained how you can change all of those things.
>People laugh at people who do stupid shit and they hate and mock failures.
No, people don't hate failures, they feel bad for them. People mock people who do stupid shit. As I said, see your average severely autistic person compared to Chrischan. No-one finds the head beating screeching shit that an autistic person does hilarious and worth mocking, it's sad and the disabled get treated kindly as a result.
>My country has different laws. You said that gypsies only exist in shitty third world countries, well that's the reason why I mentioned them. Because I live in one. Well technically my country is second world (post soviet), but you get the point.
Well without knowing what country you mean (I"m guessing romania or somewhere, only place I've ever heard of gypsy problems), I can't really help. But sure, those laws sound shitty. Why not move though?
>I don't understand. I really don't.
I really don't know how to explain it better to you mate, but the fact you can't even see how what you're doing is an issue is kind of proof it is. It's not just me that's said this either, you've admitted yourself that others agree with what I'm saying.
If your issues would restrict you doing whatever you like doing so much, that test would have already done so, too.
>>29694331
You'll look better than you did before, and be in better shape, especially if you progress on your bodyweight stuff (There's progression charts that float around on /fit/, follow one). But you'll hit a plateau pretty quick otherwise.
>>29694286
>Provide the source mate, should be easy. And you're ignoring the medical disadvantages still.
Really? It's very easy. You can just you know, click on some of the results.
>This I find hard to believe. No-one notices your constant abuse? No-one contacted the police, or even CPS, who then contacted the police?
Teachers look the other way. If anything they thought I deserved it, that I was the troublemaker who couldn't get on with the other kids. No teacher wanted to really deal with bullying, it was one big sticky mess they would never want to get into. It's easier to look the other way. Obviously sometimes for example when I got thrown against the wall head-first and had a bump that was about an 1.5" protruding out of my head I had to go the hospital they would have to react somehow. But the official version was that I tripped.
And obviously I tried to keep it a secret from my parents and everyone really. After all, it was my failure I got bullied. I wasn't strong enough. I should have taken responsibility, stopped the excuses. Right? Isn't that what you normies always preach?
>The classroom part I'm sure I've heard somewhere before, as well, to the word. And no teacher would punish you for having a bad thrown out a window.
Not my first time talking about these experiences on /r9k/ to be honest. I like to vent. Not that it helps much. But keeping it pushed down is worse.
>>29694364
>Really? It's very easy. You can just you know, click on some of the results.
So then just post a couple for me, easy. And once again, ignoring medical reasons.
>Teachers look the other way. If anything they thought I deserved it, that I was the troublemaker who couldn't get on with the other kids. No teacher wanted to really deal with bullying, it was one big sticky mess they would never want to get into. It's easier to look the other way. Obviously sometimes for example when I got thrown against the wall head-first and had a bump that was about an 1.5" protruding out of my head I had to go the hospital they would have to react somehow. But the official version was that I tripped.
Do you not have police? If you're in hospital, they say you tripped and you go "No I didn't, someone did this to me", the teachers can't stop you talking to the police.
>And obviously I tried to keep it a secret from my parents and everyone really. After all, it was my failure I got bullied. I wasn't strong enough. I should have taken responsibility, stopped the excuses. Right? Isn't that what you normies always preach?
No? Normies don't ever say that bullying is your fault, just that there are ways to deal with it.
>Not my first time talking about these experiences on /r9k/ to be honest. I like to vent. Not that it helps much. But keeping it pushed down is worse.
No, it was to do with Elliot Rodger. Might have even been from his writings.
>>29694339
>So then don't act like you've got science on your side when you have no idea about the topic at hand. And I've already explained how you can change all of those things.
I can change height, intelligence, penis size and facial bone structure?
>No, people don't hate failures, they feel bad for them.
I'm not a Chris-Chan esque failure though. I'm not fucked enough to get pity and kindness yet I am fucked enough to fail at everything and what's worse to realize I'm failing at everything.
>Why not move though?
Not a solution. People like me shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that is if I actually accept what you are saying that I have a problem.
>It's not just me that's said this either, you've admitted yourself that others agree with what I'm saying.
Which is not relevant.
>>29694331
Progress in variations of bodyweight exercises like planche pushups and L sits
>>29694403
>I can change height, intelligence, penis size and facial bone structure?
Height you can, intelligence (I'm assuming you mean IQ) isn't ever intended to be a measure of your ability to succeed, your dick size is the least relevant shit ever, and close to average is preferred generally, and bone structure you can with surgery.
>I'm not a Chris-Chan esque failure though. I'm not fucked enough to get pity and kindness yet I am fucked enough to fail at everything and what's worse to realize I'm failing at everything.
Then odds are no-one's laughing at you anon. Sounds like a leftover from your childhood experiences.
>Not a solution. People like me shouldn't be allowed to own guns, that is if I actually accept what you are saying that I have a problem.
How is moving not a solution? Your country is the issue. And I'm not saying you have a diagnosable mental disorder, you don't, you've just got a warped worldview and way of thinking, which could do with some therapy.
>Which is not relevant.
It kind of is, proves it's not just my subjective opinion, but the opinion of many people.
>>29694395
>So then just post a couple for me, easy. And once again, ignoring medical reasons.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X15000143
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691530060X
>Do you not have police? If you're in hospital, they say you tripped and you go "No I didn't, someone did this to me", the teachers can't stop you talking to the police.
You think the police would talk to a 13 year old boy? I would have no credibility. Everyone in the school (including the teachers) would then just hate me more. Everyone would think I'm a pussy who called the cops because I was getting beaten up a little. People think bullying is good, if anything they would say I had it coming.
>No? Normies don't ever say that bullying is your fault, just that there are ways to deal with it.
They do say exactly that. They see bullying as a social tool to push people in line.
>No, it was to do with Elliot Rodger. Might have even been from his writings.
I've read his "manifesto" and I don't remember anything similar there. But it's possible I guess.
>>29694439
>Height you can, intelligence (I'm assuming you mean IQ) isn't ever intended to be a measure of your ability to succeed, your dick size is the least relevant shit ever, and close to average is preferred generally, and bone structure you can with surgery.
Surgery doesn't matter. Why should I pay for surgery to get into position where Chad is by default?
>Then odds are no-one's laughing at you anon. Sounds like a leftover from your childhood experiences.
They're not laughing at me, that's true. They just hate me. I've had the misfortune of being born with intimidating-ugly face as opposed to the baby-faced guys who are never taken seriously I have different problems.
>Your country is the issue.
No. The societys perception of mental disorder is the issue. My worlview isn't warped. It's the truth. Most people ignore this truth to feel happy. Their worlview is warped.
>It kind of is, proves it's not just my subjective opinion, but the opinion of many people.
Ad populum means nothing.
>>29691847
Do you call everyone who is not as buff as you fat?
Btw running is a meme, it destroys your joints, waking is much better.
>>29694457
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691530060X
This doesn't say they have a better life, simply that marriages are slightly happier with a bigger height difference, but that it wanes with time.
>http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X15000143
Draws a correlation, but not a direct cause. As in it says "There's a relation between them, but we don't know that one causes the other".
>You think the police would talk to a 13 year old boy? I would have no credibility.
Yes? They legally have to.
> Everyone in the school (including the teachers) would then just hate me more. Everyone would think I'm a pussy who called the cops because I was getting beaten up a little.
Everyone involved in bullying you would be to busy being prosecuted mate. The school would have to walk on eggshells with you until you graduated because you could easily sue them for it.
>People think bullying is good, if anything they would say I had it coming.
This is another warped worldview you have.
>They do say exactly that. They see bullying as a social tool to push people in line.
Society spends millions of dollars on anti-bullying campaigns, and bullies are punished, possibly even given prison time as adults.
>I've read his "manifesto" and I don't remember anything similar there. But it's possible I guess.
Yeah, I'm not sure, just sounds familiar to me.
>>29694490
No I call fat people fat you fuking mongoloid
>>29694541
When people start be fat in your opinion?
>>29694331
OP is a moron, you can't on a run and then eat a tub of ice cream to deal with the PTSD. And eating "ok" means nothing, you need to CUT CALORIES.
That means tracking everything you eat, no exceptions.
>>29694489
>Surgery doesn't matter. Why should I pay for surgery to get into position where Chad is by default?
Because you want to be there, and that's how you get there. Chad has to pay for surgery to change those things about himself too.
>They're not laughing at me, that's true. They just hate me
Why do you think they hate you? What do people do to you these days to make you think that?
>No. The societys perception of mental disorder is the issue
You don't see how irrational this is? "It's everyone else who is wrong, not me!" Despite you admitting to trauma, and feeling unhappy currently?
>My worlview isn't warped
I'm not talking about your opinions here, I'm talking about the way you view the opinions of others, and the actions of others.
>Most people ignore this truth to feel happy. Their worlview is warped.
Until you can objectively, beyond a doubt prove this, that's a stupid thing to say.
>Ad populum means nothing.
Calling something fallacious without actually explaining why it's a fallacy is in itself a fallacy anon. I explained how ad populum does in fact mean something here, and the argument wasn't used in a fallacious way.
>>29694520
>This doesn't say they have a better life, simply that marriages are slightly happier with a bigger height difference, but that it wanes with time.
But it's still there during the first years of marriage. Which are the most important.
>Draws a correlation, but not a direct cause. As in it says "There's a relation between them, but we don't know that one causes the other".
So what if it doesn't cause it. It's still more likely.
>Everyone involved in bullying you would be to busy being prosecuted mate. The school would have to walk on eggshells with you until you graduated because you could easily sue them for it.
As I said before (actually maybe I said it to the other anon I was talking to) I'm not from the US, suing someone here isn't common or effective. Not to mention suing people for being bullied would destroy my life. After doing that, I might as well move and hope no one finds out.
>This is another warped worldview you have.
No this is what I've heard people say.
>Society spends millions of dollars on anti-bullying campaigns, and bullies are punished, possibly even given prison time as adults.
Maybe the american society. Not eastern europe. The mindset is different. Or at least it was during the early 2000s.
>>29694583
>But it's still there during the first years of marriage. Which are the most important.
The study says it's a minor difference, too. And it's height difference, not overall height. A 5'6 man with a 5' woman would also be happy.
>So what if it doesn't cause it. It's still more likely.
Because if it's just related, it could be something else completely. Ice cream sales increase when drownings are more common too, as more are at the beach. Doesn't mean that they're the reason people drown more.
>As I said before (actually maybe I said it to the other anon I was talking to) I'm not from the US, suing someone here isn't common or effective. Not to mention suing people for being bullied would destroy my life. After doing that, I might as well move and hope no one finds out.
Well then I don't know what to say. I don't know your legal system. But what you should or shouldn't have done as a kid isn't really important I suppose.
>No this is what I've heard people say.
The actions of society as a whole prove you wrong.
>Maybe the american society. Not eastern europe. The mindset is different. Or at least it was during the early 2000s.
All societies as far as I know. And if you hate eastern europe, move.
>>29694574
>Because you want to be there, and that's how you get there. Chad has to pay for surgery to change those things about himself too.
But once again it's not fair.
>Why do you think they hate you? What do people do to you these days to make you think that?
They dodge me on the street. They make disgusted/scared faces whenever our eyes meet. They would rather stand during a 40 minute train ride than sit across me. Something that happened to me not once when meeting new people is that I talk to them for a while and few minutes in they say something like "You know, I'm really surprised you're pleasant to talk to. When I first saw you I thought you were some serial killer".
>You don't see how irrational this is? "It's everyone else who is wrong, not me!" Despite you admitting to trauma, and feeling unhappy currently?
But these problems I have are because I don't ignore the truth. So how could I be wrong?
>I'm not talking about your opinions here, I'm talking about the way you view the opinions of others, and the actions of others.
What's wrong about that exactly?
>Until you can objectively, beyond a doubt prove this, that's a stupid thing to say.
For example how often people use the expression "that's life, deal with it" which just means to not think about some unpleasant truths so you get happier. People do this often.
>Calling something fallacious without actually explaining why it's a fallacy is in itself a fallacy anon. I explained how ad populum does in fact mean something here, and the argument wasn't used in a fallacious way.
Even if everyone in the world though I was crazy and had a warped worldview it doesn't mean I really have it.
>>29694611
>The study says it's a minor difference, too. And it's height difference, not overall height. A 5'6 man with a 5' woman would also be happy.
And the same woman would be happier with a 6'5" man.
>Because if it's just related, it could be something else completely.
So what is it then? What better explanation do we have?
>The actions of society as a whole prove you wrong.
Not really.
>All societies as far as I know. And if you hate eastern europe, move.
I don't hate it. The mindset that bullying is good actually makes sense. Only reason why I'm complaining about it is because I was the target.
>>29694649
>But once again it's not fair.
That's entirely your opinion.
>They dodge me on the street. They make disgusted/scared faces whenever our eyes meet. They would rather stand during a 40 minute train ride than sit across me. Something that happened to me not once when meeting new people is that I talk to them for a while and few minutes in they say something like "You know, I'm really surprised you're pleasant to talk to. When I first saw you I thought you were some serial killer".
The first few are really commonly misinterpreted. Those with anxiety or low self esteem interpret every glance or action as being negative towards them.
And the last part is just stupid shit normies say, I've had people say similar to me as well, and I'm at worst a 6, usually rated 7 or so. It's a meaningless comment.
>But these problems I have are because I don't ignore the truth. So how could I be wrong?
A schizophrenic could use the same argument for any of their delusions, would that make them right?
>What's wrong about that exactly?
I already explained this several times.
>For example how often people use the expression "that's life, deal with it" which just means to not think about some unpleasant truths so you get happier. People do this often.
Well it honestly is. No-one is perfect. That's not unfair, that's just reality. That chad you talk about could really want to be a professional photographer, but fucking suck at photography. That's unfair too, and he'd no doubt complain about his lack of talent, while ignoring all the hard work the professionals put into getting good at their trade.
>Even if everyone in the world though I was crazy and had a warped worldview it doesn't mean I really have it.
When you're incapable of providing evidence against you being irrational, and admit yourself you're unhappy with your current state, then yeah, heaps of people saying you're being irrational is proof. The majority defines the norm, and you've admited to dysfunction
>>29694664
>and the same woman would be happier with a 6'5" man.
Not true. There is such a thing as too tall. The most attractive range is consistently demonstrated as between 5'10 to 6'1, with 6' being highest, but only like 1% higher than 6'1. If extreme height was most attractive, people who are 7'+ would be seen as god like, instead of freaks.
>So what is it then? What better explanation do we have?
Absence of evidence doesn't mean you can just assume things with any credibility. We need to prove that that directly is the cause. And we haven't.
>Not really.
I already explained how.
>I don't hate it. The mindset that bullying is good actually makes sense. Only reason why I'm complaining about it is because I was the target.
That's a pretty stupid way to view the world. You're complaining society is so shit and you don't want anything to do with it, but then that you agree with the parts you hate, and that you don't actually hate your society.
>>29694783
>A schizophrenic could use the same argument for any of their delusions, would that make them right?
If what are saying is the truth, then yes.
>Well it honestly is. No-one is perfect. That's not unfair, that's just reality.
Unfair, unjust reality.
>That's unfair too, and he'd no doubt complain about his lack of talent, while ignoring all the hard work the professionals put into getting good at their trade.
I'm not talking about some arbitrary skill. I'm talking about something very very basic. Getting a partner and that's where Chad is at extreme advantage, so your point is not really relevant.
>The majority defines the norm, and you've admited to dysfunction
And that's exactly why leaving society is my goal.
>>29694814
>The most attractive range is consistently demonstrated as between 5'10 to 6'1, with 6' being highest
Lol. That's all I will say.
>Absence of evidence doesn't mean you can just assume things with any credibility. We need to prove that that directly is the cause. And we haven't.
If you have no better theory, you use the one which makes the most sense.
>That's a pretty stupid way to view the world. You're complaining society is so shit and you don't want anything to do with it, but then that you agree with the parts you hate, and that you don't actually hate your society.
Society will always treat inferior people like shit. And I am inferior. The solution is not to work hard to get marginally better results. The solution is to leave it.
>>29694818
>If what are saying is the truth, then yes.
My point was that argument, going "But what I'm saying is the truth so I can't be wrong" could be used to argue anything. There's no evidence that what you're saying is in fact the truth.
>Unfair, unjust reality.
Unfair in your opinion. We all have positives and negatives to our lives.
>I'm not talking about some arbitrary skill. I'm talking about something very very basic. Getting a partner and that's where Chad is at extreme advantage, so your point is not really relevant.
You've said yourself people think you're likeable, there's no reason you should be incapable of getting a partner. You've also moved the goalposts again.
>And that's exactly why leaving society is my goal.
You won't be any less dysfunctional mate.
>>29694838
>Lol. That's all I will say.
Say what you want, it's true. Pic related.
>If you have no better theory, you use the one which makes the most sense.
No, you don't. There's a reason the term correlation doesn't equal causation is used so often, because it doesn't. You can't just go "Fuck, I dunno, use this it's good enough" and expect it to be credible.
>Society will always treat inferior people like shit. And I am inferior
Everyone's inferior to someone. And I thought you agreed with this behaviour? Going "it's good unless it happens to me" is hypocritical.
>>29694853
>There's no evidence that what you're saying is in fact the truth.
Like what for example?
>Unfair in your opinion. We all have positives and negatives to our lives.
Some have many more positives.
>You've said yourself people think you're likeable, there's no reason you should be incapable of getting a partner.
That's the thing about being bullied ruthlessly. It teaches you to blend in. It teaches you to get on even with the dumbest degenerate. And it teaches you to tell people what they want to hear. I've learned to be "likeable" because whenever I didn't, more pain came. Does that mean I actually am likeable? No it doesn't. I know this sounds little edgy, but it's actually spot on. I've learned to mimic and read people. When you combine this with enough alcohol, I can pass as a turbo-normie. After the things said here, would you judge me to be one? You wouldn't.
>You won't be any less dysfunctional mate.
How come? I won't be in society, so there will be norm to compare me against. Therefore I will not be disfunctional.
why is it easier to trigger /r9k/ than a tumblr horde on their period
>>29694881
>Say what you want, it's true. Pic related.
Say what you want, but unsourced pic from 4chan with pepes doesn't prove shit.
>No, you don't. There's a reason the term correlation doesn't equal causation is used so often, because it doesn't. You can't just go "Fuck, I dunno, use this it's good enough" and expect it to be credible.
Might not be credible but it's better than nothing.
>Everyone's inferior to someone. And I thought you agreed with this behaviour? Going "it's good unless it happens to me" is hypocritical.
I'm inferior to vast majority of people.
>>29694901
>Like what for example?
Everything you've stated so far?
>Some have many more positives.
Based on your criteria of positive and negatives, sure. You also think the extremely tall have it better than those of slightly below average height, despite all the health concerns they have.
>That's the thing about being bullied ruthlessly. It teaches you to blend in. It teaches you to get on even with the dumbest degenerate. And it teaches you to tell people what they want to hear. I've learned to be "likeable" because whenever I didn't, more pain came. Does that mean I actually am likeable? No it doesn't. I know this sounds little edgy, but it's actually spot on. I've learned to mimic and read people. When you combine this with enough alcohol, I can pass as a turbo-normie. After the things said here, would you judge me to be one? You wouldn't.
You're being stupid here. If people think you're likeable, you're likeable, there's no "Oh I'm just pretending!" going on here. Everyone acts a certain way to be likeable.
>How come? I won't be in society, so there will be norm to compare me against. Therefore I will not be disfunctional.
Because your dysfunction comes from your actual ability to process information accurately, as I said. You warp certain things to fit your agenda, and ignore anything to the contrary. You also derive your entire pesronality from how others view you. Without that, you won't have anything.
>>29694948
>Based on your criteria of positive and negatives, sure. You also think the extremely tall have it better than those of slightly below average height, despite all the health concerns they have.
I would trade all the height concerns for all the perks any day.
>You're being stupid here. If people think you're likeable, you're likeable, there's no "Oh I'm just pretending!" going on here. Everyone acts a certain way to be likeable.
But that's wrong. I don't like being around people but sometimes I have to. I can be likeable even for people who I hate and even if I don't enjoy being around them (which is most of the time).
>You also derive your entire pesronality from how others view you. Without that, you won't have anything.
Who says I need anything?
>>29694913
We're pretty much the same site.
>>29694933
>Say what you want, but unsourced pic from 4chan with pepes doesn't prove shit.
The central data is what's important, and it comes from surveys conducted by dating sites. Some memelord putting pepe's on there doesn't make it less credible.
It's also much more than you've posted.
>Might not be credible but it's better than nothing
It's objectively not. Going "I don't know" has much more use than just making shit up, as we can find out if we admit we don't know, instead of believing something that isn't accurate.
>I'm inferior to vast majority of people.
Most people live in shitty third world countries where food and disease are major issues. You're above the majority based on you having internet access and speaking fluent english alone. And you're also only talking about physical attractiveness as the only measure of worth. An attractive man isn't going to be great at everything, or even many things.
>>29694981
>I would trade all the height concerns for all the perks any day.
You'd exchange constant back pain, increased risk of cancer, worse circulation and it being much harder to look like you have a good body for the ability to stick out in a crowd? That's real smart.
>But that's wrong. I don't like being around people but sometimes I have to
This is something literally everyone does. You're not special for this.
>I can be likeable even for people who I hate
That just supports my point that you're likeable even more, that those you don't even like, like you anyway.
>Who says I need anything?
You can't exist without a personality mate. Everyone needs an ego, and total social isolation is extremely damaging.
>>29691847
Good job on baiting those Americlaps with their non-problem of being fat. You can fix that, but you can't fix skinny and short.
I used to lift a lot between the age of 18 and 19, realized my muscles are becoming solid, but i'm not gaining mass at all, so i gave up.
26 now and i'm still skinny. I drink beer basically every day, blow all my money on pizzas and i don't even have a beer gut.
On top of that, i'm KHHHV.
Fat fucks have no idea how lucky they are to be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body.
>>29694983
>The central data is what's important, and it comes from surveys conducted by dating sites. Some memelord putting pepe's on there doesn't make it less credible.
Where are the surveys then?
>It's objectively not. Going "I don't know" has much more use than just making shit up, as we can find out if we admit we don't know, instead of believing something that isn't accurate.
If we went with your attitude we would never have anything. For example set theory. Intuitive set theory was proven to have paradoxes but still it has played a big role in mathematics. Someone like you would just say "oh we can't be sure that intuitive set theory is right so we better not use it at all". Do you not see how retarded that is?
>And you're also only talking about physical attractiveness as the only measure of worth. An attractive man isn't going to be great at everything, or even many things.
Thanks to halo effect the attractive men will be judged better.
>>29695004
>You'd exchange constant back pain, increased risk of cancer, worse circulation and it being much harder to look like you have a good body for the ability to stick out in a crowd? That's real smart.
I would.
>This is something literally everyone does. You're not special for this.
So actually being bitter and hateful deranged asshole but pretending to be normal around people means I am actually likeable and great human being?
>You can't exist without a personality mate. Everyone needs an ego, and total social isolation is extremely damaging.
Judging from what you've said about my mental state, so is being inferior.
>>29695023
>Where are the surveys then?
I believe it's an OkCupid based on, but the data is right fucking there, and clearly not just a word table. Once again, too. You've posted nothing.
>If we went with your attitude we would never have anything.
Actually, if we went with your theory of "Someone did better than me once so I gave up", we'd have nothing,
>Intuitive set theory was proven to have paradoxes but still it has played a big role in mathematics. Someone like you would just say "oh we can't be sure that intuitive set theory is right so we better not use it at all". Do you not see how retarded that is?
Do you see how they are completely different things? This isn't maths, and it's not a theory that has some flaws, it's a completely unsubstantiated theory that you're just going "Fuck it, it'll do" and acting like that's proof. Your false equivalency doesn't matter here.
>Thanks to halo effect the attractive men will be judged better.
I already explained the halo effect, and I'm getting fucking sick of repeating that I've already disproven what you've said.
Hahaha holy fucking shit get a low of these two autists
Jesus Christ niggas writing a thesis or some shit
>>29695044
>I would.
That's a stupid decision, that super tall people have even said to you themselves is dumb, as they desire to be shorter.
>So actually being bitter and hateful deranged asshole but pretending to be normal around people means I am actually likeable and great human being?
It sounds to me like you're playing up how bad you are, actually. You're clearly very likeable, and not bitter hateful and deranged. You just put your emotions and past experiences as more important than facts.
Everyone has to socialise with people they don't want to sometimes, and you're able to have people you hate like you, which most can't do.
>Judging from what you've said about my mental state, so is being inferior.
All I've said about your mental state is that you've allowed your worldviews to be untouchable, and become very irrational, as you can't treat opposition in a logical manner. You're even doing it now.
>>29695048
>I believe it's an OkCupid based on, but the data is right fucking there, and clearly not just a word table. Once again, too. You've posted nothing.
Lol. OkCupid based
>Actually, if we went with your theory of "Someone did better than me once so I gave up", we'd have nothing,
Nothing is better than humiliation.
>Your false equivalency doesn't matter here.
It does.
>I already explained the halo effect, and I'm getting fucking sick of repeating that I've already disproven what you've said.
Just assumptions.
>>29695074
>That's a stupid decision, that super tall people have even said to you themselves is dumb, as they desire to be shorter.
If they somehow got shorter they would see how dumb their decision was.
>Everyone has to socialise with people they don't want to sometimes, and you're able to have people you hate like you, which most can't do.
It means I have to let them humiliate me.
Actually I'm getting kinda bored of this conversation now. I think it's best we end it now.
>>29694559
When you're fat you fuking dumbfuck
>>29695075
>Lol. OkCupid based
Great refutation, faggot.
>Nothing is better than humiliation.
So you admit that no-one should ever try at anything unless they have guaranteed exceptional success?
>It does.
No, it doesn't, and I explained how. Fuck off.
>Just assumptions.
Saying "The studies don't speak about what you're saying they do" isn't an assumption, it's a fact. You're the only one assuming that it counts for more.
I'm sick of talking to you though, you're fucking obnoxious and frankly aggravating to have a debate with, your entire point has been full of fallacies, fisking, flat out ignoring and lying about shit, as well as twisting words and meanings to fit your own agenda. That's not talking about how you just act like I've never said things I did.
I did my best here, feel free to continue to be miserable though. I'm done.
>>29694563
Lmao ptsd jason blaha is that you? You think that's fukkin funny simon?
Who lift and eat like shit all day here?
