Is there a more devastating movie than this? I really feel like fucking killing myself now.
This movie is pretty great and realistically portrays political hopes and dreams in an unfriendly world.
Throwing in Stalker as well
>>29677254
What's it like anon? Looks pretty interesting.and yes I know I could just google it but I wanna hear from a robot what it's like
>>29678378
Come and seesorry
But really it's the best anti-war movie there is. It's about 2:30 hours long and feels like you get kicked in the balls every 10 minutes. It's like you're watching Apocalypse Now, while having a bad trip. It's like going to McDonalds and they only have salad left. It's like having a qt gf and then waking up from a dream. It's not an enjoyable movie at all.
>>29677254
Come and see fucked by shit up pretty bad senpai
Also Lilja 4 Ever.
>>29677323
>Russians will never make movies this great again
>>29678544
I had difficulties staying awake, to be honest. Those russian classics are always <2:30 hours long and tend to be slow and quiet.
>>29677254
where did you watch it? streaming?
Does anyone know any good Russian directors besides Tarkovsky who make films like the ones mentioned in this thread? I'm running out of depressing movies to watch.
>>29678544
Tarkovsky is that kind of flash in the pan of brilliance that you get so rarely. But there are still many great films being made in Russia today
>Entire movie is about a man planning to kill himself going around trying to pay people to bury him
>>29678908
Threads but you've probably seen that
>>29678908
Mikhail Kalatozov I can recommend
>>29678987
>>29679034
Thanks guys
very origano
>>29677254
I watched the movie because it was praised to heaven by morons like you, it's the standard run of the mill soviet propaganda like all movies created in soviet russia. Muh evil nazies 50634905434 edition this time with some flavor of a russian director overdosed on whatever his doctor's prescription could give him to bear the life in the soviet state.
It's incredibly stupid but retarded westerners praise it because it seems artsy to them.
>>29677254
I had to take a break halfway through Synecdoche, New York.
>>29679262
yeah i guess we should watch 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi instead
>>29679262
> soviet propaganda
> implying nazis were the good guys
> implying things that happened in the movie never happened in real life
>>>/pol/
>>29677254
>that scene where Nazis set fire to a barn full of people
that movie was fucked
>>29677254
WHERE CAN I WATCH YOUR MOVIE FOR FREE FAGGOT ANSWER ME
>>29677254
that last scene with the portrait... just damn.
This one keeps it real, too.
>>29679402
what's even more fucked up than that is when you realize the nazis did that to about 100,000 russian villages as well, just like what happened in the movie.
>>29679614
That reminds me of pic related. Fucking based.
>>29679322
>implying /pol/ isn't right
>>>/reddit/
>>29679642
>what is propaganda
>what is scorched earth
>>29679488
tryputlocker.isgoodluck faggot
>>29679673
/pol/ is right is a old meme. being ironically liberal is the hottest meme you old man
>>29678544
Battle for Sevastopol was pretty good tbhfam
>>29679673
wehraboo/10
>>29679747
but way more people get offended by /pol/ being right so even though it's older it's still a way danker meme
>>29679747
Whichever opinion hurts more feelings is the wrong one, nobody can destroy my political hugbox.
>>29677254
I have to say that Threads (1984) is more miserable. Only watch it if you want to fuck your shit up, familiapai.
>>29679262
Kek, I knew a /pol/tard would get triggered by it
>film about sad films
>/pol/ comes in and ruins everything
>again
Anyway, >>29679851 would have been my pick if it hadn't been chosen yet. That and pic related, even though it's babbie's first philosophy the way it presents itself and that fucking ending is powerful.
>>29679214
Cranes are flying is a good movie. If you are beings sarcastic because it's widely considered a good movie, feel free to stop breathing because everyone else does it and it's therefore unoriginal.
>>29679892
I think he was just trying to get past the robot
>>29679930
The robot is the real horror
>>29678674
>trying to watch Solaris when you are exhausted
Don't do this, get a good sleep before watching those long Russian movies.
>>29677254
Russian movies really are different from the west.
Few position I recommend to watch.
>Sauna - rusofinish kinda horror
>Blockpost - Kaukaz
>War (Voyna) - Kaukaz
>Prisoner of kaukaz - Kaukaz
>The Dawns Here Are Quiet - II WW ruski soldat get unit of girls to command, its not end well
>The Cuckoo - II WW,
>Brother I&II (Brat I&II) - modern times,
>XII - russian version of XII angry men
>>29679262
>>29679673
>implying it didn't happen
It was simply logistic. Germany could not feed army and industry and local civilians, german logistic was really bad and russian infrastructure terrible. So they forage taking all food from locals. But leaving hungry and angry people behind wasn't smart so they kill them. And when you kill then why no rape or have fun.
It was similar what happen in China with Japan army. Units get supply for 1 day per month and need to supply themselves.
Also get fucked.
Just saw "SECONDS" (1966).
It poses the question, "What if I could start life over in the body of a Chad?"
The answer is realistic and depressing as fuck...
>>29680142
Solyaris is Tarkovsky's worst film too. I would watch it last if at all.
>>29681614
Please don't lie on the internet.
>>29679879
>It's Such a Beautiful Day
It's not a bad movie by any means
but god I hate artsy shit like this
It's not bleak, it's trying to feed us that we should revel in the scenery and enjoy what little time we have (especially with the ending putting in perspective how short a human life really is)
but it's so ambiguous in its simplicity that half the people who watch it are going to go "no it's the complete opposite"
or "it means so much more than that, you have no idea"
>>29681641
I mean it in every way.
No, of course watch it though, but last.
>>29681653
I don't understand what exactly you're getting at. The film has a clear message, yet your angry that it isn't clear enough?
>>29681795
I guess
there's also the fact that I'm pretty autistic about subtle symbolism, foreshadowing, metaphors and shit like that: I want to find them all, but this movie has too many, it's pretty much what it's made of
![The_War_Game_FilmPoster[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jnAil1D.jpg "The_War_Game_FilmPoster[1].jpg")
>>29679851
The War Game is a 1965 fake documentary that was deemed so disturbing it was not shown until a year after they aired Threads in 1985.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWr7omWJHyo
>>29682033
I wouldn't say there's a lot. If you've seen Hertzfeldt's other work you'll know he's very much an absurdist. A LOT of the things in ISaBD are just complete nonsense used to make an obvious point (Bill's health is deteriorating, for example).
People who think it's a bleak tale are as stupid as someone who thinks The Road is a hopeful one. The bleakness and absurdity of human life in the film is all to back up that main message which you pointed out. I wouldn't see a film as bad because people are idiots.
Anyone watch it's hard to be a god?
>>29677254
>that cow scene
>they used real bullets shooting over the main character's head
>actor in an interview recalls and said he felt the tracers just inches above his head at times
fucking russians
>>29682092
>>29679851
Why are brits so amazing at bleakcore films? No other country manages to make films this goddamn bleak.
>>29682168
yess great movie it creates a unique atmosphere
>>29677254
It's one of the best war movies, anon. It should have fucked your shit up. It's how you know you're one of the better people.
>>29678528
Is this a popular movie? I remember seeing this when I was like 16 or so, but never saw it mentioned anywhere.
The end was pretty depressing. Also I really liked the choice of shooting all sex scenes from her perspective, it was a really great choice to absolutely drain them of eroticism. She's getting railed and you feel like you're suffocating.
>>29682166
I didn't say it was a bad movie, it's very good and very compelling, I was only saying it was too artsy for my liking, maybe because I'm not used to this kind of movie that goes out of its way to break not only the rules of film-making, but the rules of reality itself.
Maybe every little scene and shot didn't have an individual message or meaning to them, but there were a lot of patterns and some amount of fore-shadowing, and I felt like I was missing some when I would be "recovering" from a certain psychedelic scene. I can say that he did a very good job of conveying the feeling of dread that stems from Bill's deterioration, it was truly an experience
>>29682902
I do see what you mean, it's very heavy if you aren't used to that kind of film. I'd recommend watching his other works, they're all a lot shorter and there's not as much to take in. World of Tomorrow is great.
>>29677254
>babby-tier soviet propaganda
>good
Get the fuck out, the film felt cheesy as fuck and seemed to be deliberately made to be as edgy as possible. Pretty meh, desu.
>>29682534
>arbitrary judge people on whether they cried like a little girl to film
>implying communism is good
>>>/reddit/
it is a pleasant surprised that some americans? most of you are americans? are interested in soviet and post-soviet film. it is even more pleasant that you guys rebuke neo-nazi rhetoric. very pleasant indeed.
i recommend beamer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyTLRk8eH_U&ab&ab
and brother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YewLBN43HqI
and their sequels as well.
>>29683033
>propaganda
That's how you know a /pol/tard was behind the post
They missed the entire point
>>29683121
Brother was really, really great, but Brother 2 sucks and is an unnecessary sequel.
>>29683121
Just because one don't like a film and go full emotional one is a neo-nazi?
I think you will find that the world is filled with neo-nazis then ;_;
Pic related fucked my head up
>>29683222
Oh god, fuck off already you poltards. Your posts read all the same and every time you decide to "contribute" something I can feel my braincells dying off.
>>29682902
>Microsoft sam says it's difficult to determine ant's health at certain altitudes when they are administered sedatives
what did he mean by this
>>29683181
Lol, I'm not a /pol/tard, I'm eastern european. I know damn well that /pol/ is filled to the brim with retards that idealize a totalitarian regime. And yet, I'm telling you, if a socialist government let a film like this fly, it's not because it's some deep universal oh-so-humane anti-war messsage, it's simply because of the regurgitation of the nazi-bashing theme, that's it. Some over the top, edgy scenes were added to spice it up, and there you go, a perfect movie to jerk yourself off to.
>>29683296
>not an argument towards why one is a neo-nazi for not liking OPs movie
>>29683217
aye, you're right it was pretty mediocre. better watch 9th Company instead.
>>29683121
blow it out of your ass you commie cum guzzler, end your worthless life
>>29683296
fuck off from whatever marxist shithole you crawled from, you are not welcome here
>>29683913
Don't presume to speak for us or for the board, stormfag.
>>29684050
conservatives are also on our side, if you are a liberal or a marxist you are a retarded faggot and a scumbag, no one cares about you
>>29684196
this
/r9k/ is mostly voting trump anyway
>>29684196
>>29684210
You keep trying to speak for us and for the board. I'm starting to think that maybe not all lights are on upstairs.
>>29684259
Reddit I think it's time you went to bed
>>29684259
sounds like someone's projecting. Look at presidential election threads, you'll see what most of /r9k/ thinks of Hillary and leftists like you
>>29684337
>>29684351
I think you'd find a lot more friends on reddit, as a matter of fact. Both self-moderated stormfag hellholes and stormfag infested main boards. Plus everyone is insufferable. You'd feel right at home.
>>29679311
This is a robot horror movie
>You will never achieve your dreams
>You ultimately don't matter to basically anyone
>You can never escape your current lifestyle
>You will die and there is no way to escape that and everyone will forget you
>>29684374
well look at you, you sure know how the reddit community is. Sounds like you spent a lot of time there, didn't you?
>>29684374
You sound butthurt Reddit
>>29684374
>people who disagree with me are nothing but stormfags and trolls
>why are they even allowed to disagree with me baka
>ban free speech
>>29684433
>>29684430
reddit this, reddit that. Your vocabulary is very limited. Not something unexpected of course.
>>29684459
Oh no, plenty of people disagree with me for other reasons. It's just these two who are stormfags.
I don't see how I'm threatening their freedom of speech, but I guess being delusional is necessary when you want to pretend to be a rebel and are threatened by noone.
>>29684519
>leftists are in power in the western world, using the media and colleges to spread their influence
>birthrates are catastrophic, today's minorities will become the majority in a few generations, having 3-4 children per family versus 1 to 1.5 for non-hispanic whites
>everyone is easily offended
>democrats appeal to moral righteousness and emotions to stay in power, demonizing the right-wing at every turn
>nationalism is regarded as evil and synonymous with nazism
>somehow thinks freedom of speech isn't threatened
>>29684688
Birthrates always decline along with absolute poverty. This is scientifically established fact and if your worldview can not account for it, it's not worth taking seriously. People being offended easilly or with difficult is not my concern. Political parties in general appeal to moral righteousness and emotions. If you think the conservative parties don't, you are delusional. Nationalism tends to be marketed as this nice friendly, let's all take care of our political community thing, and then ends with a world war or two or with the decimation of the rule of law.
And of course this is all irrelevant to your freedom of speech.
>>29684767
>Birthrates always decline along with absolute poverty
there is a strong and undeniable correlation of birthrates skyrocketing with poverty. The problem in the west here is that women are career-oriented and consumerism has taken over the west.
>Nationalism tends to be marketed as this nice friendly, let's all take care of our political community thing, and then ends with a world war or two or with the decimation of the rule of law.
because the only historical instance of nationalism is 1930s germany, right?
>And of course this is all irrelevant to your freedom of speech.
It is when the UK doesn't allow criticism of the status quo by its citizens. Leftists in general hate freedom of speech, they only see it as hurtful and destructive. They think there is such a thing as "freedom of speech but"
>>29684767
>Birthrates always decline along with absolute poverty. This is scientifically established fact and if your worldview can not account for it, it's not worth taking seriously.
lmao i can't even bother to read more of your shit, you don't know basic stuff
birthrates are exploding in poverty stricken societies, this is shitholes like africa and india, pakistan and china have so many fucking people
it's funny how you act smart and shit but you are actually a full blown fucking retard
>>29685111
>it isn't* when the UK [...]
>>29685111
>The problem in the west here is that women are career-oriented and consumerism has taken over the west.
And what is your solution to this, which doesn't infringe on anyone's freedom?
>because the only historical instance of nationalism is 1930s germany, right?
There is also the mass of nationalist dictatorships in europe, latin america and elsewhere. That wasn't very nice, either.
>It is when the UK doesn't allow criticism of the status quo by its citizens.
The citizens of the UK literally just voted in a referendum in the exact opposite way than the establishment wanted them to, and they campaigned freely for this. Meanwhile the aforementioned dictatorships sent political adversaries to idyllic locations to be reeducated. It is at least bold for people slurping around these kinds of systems to then complain they are the victims, by using the arsenal of liberalism to boot. I will say the following: Freedom of speech is the freedom to express ideas, and this is unconditional. The freedom of speech does not entail inciting violence, which of course is not an attempt at persuasion or communication of ideas.
>>29685115
>birthrates are exploding in poverty stricken societies
Which means that they are declining along with absolute poverty, exactly as I said. Notice the words? Declining *along* with absolute poverty? More poverty = exploding birthrates, less poverty = imploding birthrates.
Read, Comprehend, Post.
>>29685311
>And what is your solution to this, which doesn't infringe on anyone's freedom?
First of all, not to call it shameful and anti-freedom when a woman chooses the housewife lifestyle, like feminists are doing. Males are falling behind in higher education; there's a reason for this, I'm not sure what it is but it should be addressed.
Encouraging procreation in general
The bigger issue is sexual freedom: it hurts men more than it benefits women, who sleep with multiple men for the sake of feeling empowered or special. This causes them to have a hard time settling down on one man, chasing this idea of the "perfect guy" but only being sexually attracted to the most confident and abusive men (inb4 rodger)
Abortion is also a factor, but I'm not entirely against it.
>There is also the mass of nationalist dictatorships in europe, latin america and elsewhere. That wasn't very nice, either.
That is called cherry picking. The french revolution was nationalism. Quebec liberating itself from Canadian supremacy was nationalism. The Indian independence movement was a form of nationalism
>The citizens of the UK literally just voted in a referendum in the exact opposite way than the establishment wanted them to, and they campaigned freely for this.
Because people can't stay brainwashed forever. Merkel was asking for it.
>More poverty = exploding birthrates, less poverty = imploding birthrates.
It's the sexual liberation that sent us over the edge. Now the West is using the easiest short-term solution to the aging of its population: bringing in hundreds of thousands of immigrants (Germany this year brought in 800k), who will have 3-4 children each, condemning anyone who opposes this (calling them bigots, nazis and intolerant) and ignoring or covering up any backlash this may cause (the expansion of the welfare state, racial tensions, the opposing values of these immigrants, poverty, decrease of white population)
>>29685311
cont.
> I will say the following: Freedom of speech is the freedom to express ideas, and this is unconditional
Not when british citizens get arrested over tweets or comments on the bus.
>The freedom of speech does not entail inciting violence, which of course is not an attempt at persuasion or communication of ideas.
I never implied otherwise. Freedom of speech doesn't have to be about only hate either: is it racist to be wary of when almost a million people, who are believers in Sharia law, come into your country and can't even read and write in their own language? Is it racist to doubt that the majority of these people will magically adapt and become Europeans in only a few years?
>>29683033
>everything that contradicts with my opinion is a propaganda !
>>>/pol/
>>29683363
>Lol, I'm not a /pol/tard, I'm eastern european
Lol gtfo newfag
>>29684196
Most marxists are intelligent people. Not just beta bitch that want blacks to be separated from them because they feel 'intimidated'.
>>29686067
to be fair, it is well documented that the soviets used the scorch earth tactics, yet in the movie the nazis are depicted as being the only ones who intended to burn down the villages
and some people like >>29679642 believe it as well
I hope I don't come across as a neo-nazi for telling the truth
>>29686126
sorry, but if you took the time to discuss these issues with real intellectuals, you'd find that the right-wing have some valid concerns supported by numbers that they want to see resolved. It's only natural that "non-marxists" be angry and come across as foolish when they are being crushed by the currently overwhelming leftist majority.
Unfortunately, politics these days are more about the conflict than reason and compromise, and I'm not just saying that because I happen to disagree with some leftist doctrines
>>29686133
Who cares man ? Both sides doesn't exist anymore. Both sides are bad people. Communism and racist socialism ? Both are bad and we're glad that both are dead by now.
>>29686133
there's a massive difference between burning crops and bridges as you're retreating and committing ethnic cleansing as you are advancing. it's mind blowing that you attempt to equate that
what "some people" believe in is literal undeniable fact
the film is not even a documentary and doesn't claim to be one, there is no reason to expect a perfect, unbiased portrayal of atrocities equally. it's not the point
>>29686202
Intellectuals from both sides have valid concerns, i believe.
>>29686234
Sure. But when we get closer to one than the other, expect something to happen
When you look at them, they may seem like polar opposites and give the impression of being two flavors of evil that need to be avoided. The truth is, evil has many shades of grey and the West is currently treading on one that will have some particularly destructive effects in the long run. It's naive to think that all is good and dandy when we are on the verge of facing crises
>>29686277
that's fair
and original yes sir
>>29686257
>there's a massive difference between burning crops and bridges as you're retreating and committing ethnic cleansing as you are advancing. it's mind blowing that you attempt to equate that
I don't. I'm just trying to separate fact from fiction, not deny the holocaust because I have no agenda to push. Russians did use the scorched earth method, so it would be inaccurate (and propaganda) to say that the Germans burned every Russian village deliberately only because they wanted to see them die.
You should have looked at the post I was quoting before calling it "undeniable fact"
>>29686342
I know where this is going. Look, your so called 'enemies' are retarded people. To take retarded people as a serious threat is pretty sad actually.
>>29686863
Angela Merkel isn't retarded. She's causing real harm to Europe, even if her losing Britain was a big blow that may cause another nation to leave the EU (it's in discussion)
>>29679262
it wasn't propaganda at all, the movie is realistic, I bet you are American
GUYS PLS STOP WITH THE POL BULLSHIT. This was a pretty comfy thread with some nice suggestions. Pls get back to the movies.
>>29687651
This
contribooting with another anti-war movie, though not russian
Nine hours of despair.
>>29677254
All of you niggers have GOAT tastes!
Why the fuck aren't you faggots writing?
>>29687011
Oh come on, i know she's not your real enemy
Strange Ukranian movie made by an Armenian Georgian. It's a very emotional movie about a man called Ivan who lives a really shitty life.
Look up Shadow of Forgotten Ancestors. It's on YouTube in shitty quality if you're interested.
![stroszek11901[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/as7SO8f.png "stroszek11901[1].png")
One of my favorite movies ever, "Stroszek" by Werner Herzog.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVnlk6q1es
In search of a new beginning, a beta German man moves to rural Wisconsin with his old man neighbor and a prostitute, only to have his life fall apart even further in the USA.
Ian Curtis of Joy Division hanged himself after watching it...
>>29688628
Yes she is. Who the fuck else? She's cancer
>>29688787
Muslim and islam is, right ?
>>29687728
Grave of the Fireflies is not an anti-war film.
>>29688971
She's currently one of the main reasons they are of any concern. Before that, we were leagues above them, but now? If things stay the way they are, they will have a shot at influencing us, then outbreeding us and finally burning our culture to the ground.
>>29689145
A movie doesn't need two hours of bombing footage to be anti-war. We are shown the repercussions of war and how it affected a japanese town, a young boy and his little sister. I don't see how that's not anti-war
Not really a sad movie in the traditional sense but it has a really otherworldly atmosphere if you ask me. Also tons of symbolism to be interpreted and is open to interpretation in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIhKqaNp4Dc
>>29689181
No, if anything the two cultures and people would merge and I dont really see how that is a bad thing. You just try to justify your shitty existence by clinging to a false sense of superiority provided by a culture you romanticize for the sole reason to make yourself feel better. But whatever floats your boat man, I bet the "sandniggers" really endanger your oh so pure heritage :,)
>>29689477
My heritage is not pure by any means. I want it to be defended because it is mine, and because it has spawned what is currently the greatest and most developed countries in the world, not to mention important values that men infinitely better than me, died for.
Muslims only want to dominate the world for its own sake. Their religion advocates the destruction of infidels through any means necessary. They are taking advantage of the current situations, they are flooding in not only from poor desperate Syria, but also Pakistan, North Africa and even Saudi Arabia.
>>29689477
>I dont really see how that is a bad thing
>What is Sharia law
>>29679262
Hello my redpilled brother!
Let us continue to dismiss anything that strays the slightest bit from our redpilled narrative!
14/88!
>>29689554
And what country would that be? And what values would that be? Accept that nothing matters and accept that you and these "great" men dont matter. I also cant imagine that you have ever spoken with a muslim, what you are doing is like comparing the normiest christian out there with some hardcore sect member, just stop projecting so hard and/ or off yourself nazi cum gurgling faggot.
>>29689645
Because Islam= Sharia law amiriteguiz? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Lay off the memes dude, Christianity also adapted.
>>29689734
>nothing matters
Those are not the words of a man who would lay the foundation for one of the greatest nations in the world and defend its great values to the end. I'm Canadian but I have a lot of admiration for the Western world as a whole, and the United States being founded upon the principle of liberty.
> I also cant imagine that you have ever spoken with a muslim
You'd be wrong. You'd also be wrong that I'm a bigot or a racist who thinks muslims are intellectually or genetically inferior, only because I value my culture.
>just stop projecting so hard and/ or off yourself nazi cum gurgling faggot.
Those are the words of an angry, triggered liberal with no argument, preferring to stay in the warm embrace of the cucked majority.
You probably didn't know that by 2050, Whites in the United States will be a minority. That's actually what the American government is predicting.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world
>Because Islam= Sharia law amiriteguiz? xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Lay off the memes dude, Christianity also adapted.
Christianity took centuries to adapt. You expect immigrants to drop their hatred for fags and non-muslims the minute they walk on European soil?
It's heartbreaking how naive you are
>>29679262
HELLO MY RED PILL BROTHER
>>29677254
>Is there a more devastating movie than this? I really feel like fucking killing myself now.
Yes
>>29689940
Western culture was founded on christianity, it didn't need to 'adapt'. And muslim is not just about killing gays.
>>29689734
>I also cant imagine that you have ever spoken with a muslim
because you've spoken with every muslim right? even the ones who can't read and write in their own language, coming into Europe by the millions and who are going to have 5 children each and live on welfare in a muslim-only ghetto like the ones in Belgium and Germany? Kill yourself faggot.
>>29689940
Maybe i went a bit too far, its just the more I am on 4chan and the more I see these posts that I can not agree with the more resentful and hateful I get towards people who lean politcally to the right. Maybe its because I am german inb4 cucked european I dont fucking care and because I know plently of immigrants and all of them are integrated very well. I just cant stand hearing people wishing death on people just because their religion is different. What I dont get is how you just pretend like cultures cant merge with each other but only devour each other. The Islam in Europe will adapt to european society, it has thus far and will continue to do so. Sorry that this whole comment is so fucking rambly Im sleep deprived as fuck right now
>>29690019
>muslim is not just about killing gays.
"muslim" is not a religion, islam is. And before you say that, look at the percentages of people in muslim countries who believe that homosexuality, leaving islam and adultery should be punishable by death. You'll find that the majority are above 85% and the lower ones are around 75%.
Islam is against freedom of speech, feminism, freedom of religion and the basic human rights of homosexuals. To invite immigrants is not to kill those values: it is giving them a slow death, period.
>>29679262
>being this brainwashed by the politics board of an anime website
>>29690031
>coming into Europe by the millions and who are going to have 5 children each and live on welfare
this is what /pol/istan actually believes
>>29690119
Idk man i mean i'm from a different wave of islam. I believe in something the majority doesn't so i can only say that something that educated them this whole time was the wrong thing. You'd not be interested in the details but i also despise people like them. I'm a muslim. I actually want to assimilate and i believe in freedom of speech and i believe my religion does too.
>>29690113
> the more I am on 4chan and the more I see these posts that I can not agree with the more resentful and hateful I get towards people who lean politcally to the right.
People on 4chan are edgy. People on the right in general feel that they have to push an agenda because they are being crushed by the overwhelming left and called bigots at every turn, so of course they might appear more "extremists" in their statements. However you can't help nazis and KKK being on that spectrum anymore than you can help communists being on the left.
>What I dont get is how you just pretend like cultures cant merge with each other but only devour each other
See >>29685701 , the paragraph below
This year alone, your country brought in almost a million muslims. Each of them will have an average of 3 to 4 children per family, while the white population will only age because your birthrates are among the most catastrophic in Europe (1.4 per woman)
It is naive to think there are *only* positives to bringing them in. I'm not just talking about terrorism: terrorism happens but only in very small numbers in proportion to the number of immigrants entering. The bigger issue are the racial tensions. Believe it or not, there are ghettos in Belgium that will kick out white people from their establishment, and this is one example.
>>29690113
>I just cant stand hearing people wishing death on people just because their religion is different.
Thats what a shit ton of muslims think in case you couldn't tell. And if not a shit ton, enough to cause a problem.
>Islam will intigrate into Europe
No it will not. It will either be forced out or Dominate Europe. You choose.
>It has this far
No it has not. Christ man, are you fucking blind?
MULTICULTURISM HAS NEVER WORKED IN A STABLE SOCIETY. IT CANNOT. THERE WILL BE DIFFERENCES, THERE WILL BE RACIAL AND CULTURAL TENSIONS AND THERE WILL BE VIOLENCE.
>>29690249
Well of course its not all going to be rainbows and butterflies, I just think that we as the global winners have to help people who are fleeing from fucking war and seeking refuge out. Many of the refugees dont even want to stay, these are people who lost their homes and often loved ones. Not every refugee is going to be the perfect neighbour from the start or even at all but Id still rather not have them bombed to death. I believe that we can make it work.
>>29690278
Look at america. You know why they're so great ? Because multiculturalism. Every great inventors in america is always left wing and multiculturalists. If not for nyc, la, and other 'not so white' cities, america would be just like another evangelical village town in europe. No one will care about them and no one will use their products
>>29690195
>I believe in something the majority doesn't so i can only say that something that educated them this whole time was the wrong thing
and we can't help the fact that out of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants coming in, a certain amount will keep on defending these toxic values, passing them on to their children and perhaps earning a voice in Europe. Could you imagine these radical muslims, after a few generations of this, having a political party in France or some other European country? I'm trying to think long term here, because right now European culture and values are not threatened but they could be in the future
>>29690323
> help people who are fleeing from fucking war and seeking refuge out
I will admit that I don't know the numbers of refugees who went to Saudi Arabia instead of Europe, but it came to mind.
It's also more than understandable that we help those in need, especially if it can be economically viable. But I assume you're aware that not all these immigrants are coming from Syria, right?
>>29690341
In the future, where you'd be dead by then. Like, is your life even gonna be that long ? For the next 70 years, nothing will happen, so you have nothing to worry about. J u s t l i v e
>>29690390
The founding fathers of the United States lived difficult lives and founded a great nation on their sweat and blood. I don't have to do that, and I'm grateful for it.
There is no excuse for passivity. If my life doesn't matter, I should aim to make it more meaningful (by contributing to a better future) instead of making it less meaningful, even if the incomprehensibly tiny difference I made would be forgotten after I'm dead. It is selfish to leave a shitty future for the following generations on purpose.
European civilization didn't survive and get to this point of development, science, freedom and wealth by being passive and saying "just chill"
>>29690495
Relax man a religion like islam will never take down a country like america, like ever. A country fueled by racism.
>>29690667
>A country fueled by racism.
You forgot freedom of religion.
And it's also a country that currently has 60% white population. Not that racist if you ask me
I'm more concerned about Europe, because it's the continent with the greater heritage, it survived the Great Plague and the fall of the Roman Empire, but right now they're facing a big crisis that is unlike any it has ever seen.
I don't care that you don't care about my people's history and my ancestors.
>>29682168
What year was this released?
>>29690795
A lot of countries have freedom or religion. And yes, i can be not christian in america, the law will not do shit to me. But the people suck man, no one actually like other races other than theirs, they're just being courteous
>>29691204
Speak for a nation of 330+ million people divided in 50 states
I'm going to sleep
Jagten (The Hunt)
