Do "nice guys" actually exist or is it a derisive term people use to label people who don't conform to their expectations? What I mean is people have their own idea of a person and when that person contradicts that perception, they feel betrayed.
Isn't trying to win someone over with niceness more naive and misguided than dishonest and manipulative?
All men are the same, generally speaking.
The difference is; some know how to act and maintain their self respect around women. Some give in to desperation.
The nice guy trope exists because so called nice guys usually reveal themselves to be not nice at all, and the guys nice guys call assholes are actually genuine, good people, but nice guy types are frightened of normal male masculinity and interpret it as bad.
I remember reading well articulated posts on why nice guys suck from femanons and one point I remember is how nice guys turn into douchebags once they gain some self confidence
If i lived in nigger africa I would either be a rapist alpha male gangbanger and murderer, or dead.
Instead I grew up in cuckDomesticated western KEKsociety. Any "toxic masculine" outburst, quickly get quenched by fat 50 year boy/male hating old feminist working in government sector, forcing me to take lobotomy pills or go into shitty youthhome.
If some cuckio starts talking shit to me, i cant beat the shit outta him because i go to jail, instead i have to send tons of pizza and gayporn to his house, or gossip to ruin that person.
White society is cuckSociety.
its women shaming the most secure building blocks of civilization without nice men they'd be getting raped in the wild right now. which is what their female brains subconsciously want and reverting society back into because we're getting matriarchal. letting women sexually select has literally destroyed civilizations
>>29651268
Sounds simplistic and convenient tbqh
This is work, basically:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2yxv55
>>29651302
Convenient for who? It's simplistic because it's not a particularly difficult thing to grasp.
>>29651268
So, it all depends on you how attractive you are?
I used to be an actual nice guy, not in the meme sense.
I cared about women and their problems, I tried to get them by being nice but I never blamed them if they did not reciprocate. 'People need to match each other' I used to think. 'Love is destiny.'
I was only bitter when people actually abused my niceness. If a girl just wanted to be friends I was fine with that. Not creepy either, as far as I can tell. Had many female friends so I'm probably right with that assumption.
Discovered at some point that this isn't how it works. That love isn't chance. You just have to put in enough alpha until it works, the same way you put in niceness for friendship.
Yeah, they exist. From what I've gathered a few years ago there was something of a "nice guy uprising", self-professed nice guys started complaining about how women treated them. They were quickly denounced. I suppose they thought being nice merited their desired treatment.. I don't know, that's just my understanding of it.
I don't think trying to win someone over by being nice is any of the above, seems as good a way to win someone over as anything else.
>>29651268
>so called nice guys usually reveal themselves to be not nice at all
haha this is such a bullshit narrative by women. they claim to be socially and emotionally smart yet act like they don't know the guy is extra sweet on them because he likes them. it's called chivalry courtship, women invented it with their "if you want women to like you, you have to be nice and respectful to them" thousands of men then go on and fall for this shit meme and end up being stomped on and used by the women who asked for it. even completely demonized for behavior women explicitly exploit.
Nice guy is just a tar and feather word for any dude that has the gall to voice any lack of success in his dating life. The world would be a pretty horrible place to live if pretty nice dudes didn't exist, or even if they didn't make up the vast majority. But it's more of a default sort of disposition anyway and the term got co-opted by various groups for whatever agenda they want to push, and it got big after the feminists got a hold of it.
Actual nice guy: will mow neighbours front lawn while they are away because he wants to help out and it will build a positive relationship with the neighbours.
Who knows, they might reciprocate by keeping an eye on your dog while you are away next time. Or not, no worries.
"Nice guy"
Yeah I'll mow the lawn, but they OWE me. I OWN them until they pay me back. they'd better pay me back. Fucking ungrateful cunts.
>>29651137
Plenty of those around. Discrete, quiet, non-confrontational guys who attend college and start a lifelong relationship with a girl who shares their interests there. Workaholic middle class types who work as officials or clerks of various descriptions.
The raging psychotic rednecks and dejected proles who dominate this thread are very far indeed from nice guys.
>>29652429
there's literally no difference
except the second guy didn't get some gratitude that he eventually breaks aka a non-Chad treated as socially expendable
>>29651137
>non threatning genitalia
It's poor guys that were taught being "nice" to women will make them like you. Unfortunately this is semi bullshit, as they want a masculine commanding man who can take control. It's only when these bitches hit the wall that they fall back on the "nice" guy, since he has the resources and the ability to commit unlike her.
>>29652570
Adding on to this, the only reason women say they dislike nice guys is when they finally realize that shit doesn't get them pussy and get fed up and tell her to fuck off. They then get triggered as fuck going on about how these "nice" guys only wanted them for sex and etc, as if they weren't just using them as emotional tampons and betabux.
>>29652570
The Chad-beta divide only applies to proles who are too dumb to get a job from college. Women will fall for intelligent guys no matter their looks.
>>29652612
As an intelligent guy with semi-decent accomplishments, I respectfully degree.
>>29652612
>women like smart guys
haha another top tier lie from a roastie
>>29652641
*disagree
Goddamn autocorrect not helping my case.
women hate betas
nice guys are the good guys, the difference between them and other type of guys is that they don't feel like to assert their dominance. they usually are predictable and safe
nice guys are hated because its easy to take a bite at them, they wont fight back anyway.
yeah i mean nice guys can be boring but girls can be equally boring as well, so what does it even matter.
i think the world is changing and being nice is actually a negative quality now, im not even fucking kidding
Bottom line, a "Nice Guy" in this sense is someone who's only redeeming factor is that they are "nice," and usually not even that.
Bottom line is that you have to bring more to the table than being nice in order to get that pussy: good looks, confidence, intelligence, humor, money, musical/artistic talent will all get you a lot further than being "nice."
Source: I'm a 5'7" 200 lb ugly Jew with a dead end job and horrible fashion sense. But I'm confident, socially aware and witty, so I get laid.
I'm a "Nice Guy" who acts like a dick. Nice guy isn't a term for being secretly nefarious or just faking, 90% of the time probably just means your shy, I'm nice af but I still act like an asshole jokingly so people wouldn't consider me a nice guy, but the dude who was calling you a bitch and saying he fucked your mom on /b/ could be what people consider a "Nice guy" if he acted shy and nervous IRL. Long story short yea your right, the social construct of "Nice guy" pretty much means "Your a pussy and/or your not assertive/outgoing as most people especially around women"
oh and another thing.
nice guy aren't necessarily nice, they are just well mannered and reserved.
people call them "nice guys" because they correlate manners with being nice. there is absolutely zero correlation
>>29652709
>i think the world is changing and being nice is actually a negative quality now, im not even fucking kidding
culture is getting negrofied and feminized
being nice decent person gets you labelled a bitch nigga or unattractive. fucking bizarro world we ended up in for anyone born pre 00s
>>29651137
No, It is just that most people who call themselves nice guys are usually not self-aware of the fact that they are actually not nice at all and are completely unappealing and cannot fathom that Chad is a nicer person.
"nice guys" are usually just people who are so pathetic and lonely that they will try to get people to like them by being overly nice. It's really selfish and inauthentic and people, especially women don't like it.
>>29652104
ding ding ding, we have a winner
halo effect chad: assumed to be a good person regardless of what he said/did/thought
repulsive robot: assumed to be a bad person regardless of what he said/did/thought
there is no definition of a nice guy.
that phrase is societies transient buzzword, like how you call someone a bum but they aren't homeless.
it has literally no meaning, it's just to convey an emotional message.
"i need assholes because i'm scum myself so i need to be consistent with myself".
i always see nice men with nice women, it's not like you never see it.
>>29652818
>being nice is unauthentic
t.stacey
>>29652846
women always associate niceness with deceit because the only time they're nice themselves is when they want something. like putting on that sweetheart act to get another round of drinks
>>29652810
This. What makes a mythical hero good? His excellence in everything and his acceptance by everyone. What makes a villain? The opposite. The definition of nice guy is a musclebound athlete.
>>29652818
"people, especially women" are exactly the ones raising those boys to be like that.
>>29652846
If you're being nice for purely selfish motives like you want the girl to fuck you or you want the person to like you, then you're not really being nice. Once those guys get the girls and the friends, they turn into assholes like everyone else. The desire to be nice has to come from actually wanting the other person to be happy, not just wanting them to like you because you're a lonely loser.
>>29652880
I would say it is a lack of any parental guidance Anon.
>>29652890
A lot of people don't get this and I don't know why. If you have to think about being nice for a reason other than being nice than you are doing it wrong. Being nice should not be a conscious decision, it should be something you do.
>>29652890
so if this guy acted nice for the pure selfish motive of getting laid, he'd be a bad person, a lonely loser and a "nice guy"?
>>29652890
its just a method of approach and there is nothing wrong with it
if you are smart you actually can see through bullshit very quickly, woman can't that's why resort to this argument.
i can tell the difference between a fake niceness and genuine niceness in seconds. when an asshole tries to be nice there is some sort of urgency in his speech. truly nice people are more calm and don't push the issue too much
>>29652948
He would get laid, sure, but people would eventually realize he is a dick. I know attractive people that others began to dislike because they were complete cunts.
>>29651268
Nice bullshit
Women are so perceptive and can see through Herb's evil schemes, but then proceed to get pumped and dumped by Chad
They diss Urkel because they can divine his ulterior motives, then fuck Tyrone who has 4 girls on the side and eventually winds up in the slammer after getting all 5 knocked up
Let's not even go into women who married abusive husbands
Clearly there is no "sixth sense" here, nor is there an attraction to "genuine good people"
>>29652989
Wow almost like different women make different choices in life and aren't perfect in their decisions.
>>29653016
That's all fine and good
Just don't try and sell this "nice guys are really all assholes deep down and that's why we prefer to get dicked down by Chad who's actually a nice guy" bullshit
>>29652709
Didn't really think about it like that but yeah you always have to make sure you're a bit of a dick when hanging out with a girl just to keep her interested in talking.
kind of blows because I like being nice. I have to force myself into saying something or doing something slightly dickish to remind them in not a floormat they can just walk on or something.
>>29653016
there is a difference between making a bad choice and a horrible choice
you can smell an asshole from a mile away
>1.
If you do a favor only because you expect something in return, you're not a nice guy
>2.
There is such a thing as "not my type"
>3.
It boils down to attractive traits, as said before, if nice is all you bring to the table, sorry, in general people will want to be around you more if you have other things going for you like hobbies(and good tier ones that can also be social, like art, music, sports, etc), sense of style, assertiveness, and your overall hygiene and appearance(i.e. showering more than once a weak, brushing everyday,cleaning up facial hair, etc.) And as mentioned before:
>assertiveness
What people mean by a nice guy is how he reacts to different situations, it is a primal instinct among us for there to be the alpha male, and the "nice guys" rank down on the bottom, because they will be a little bitch, no one wants to be with the little bitch, pick your battles
>>29653049
You don't always know someone is an asshole until they do something to show it.
Also people can become assholes and change for various reasons.
>trying to discuss ethics and morality with normies and roasties
kek. go back to sleep you have work tomorrow.
>>29653039
There's a nog in jail in my home city right now who has 13 children by 10 different women, owes child support to all 13 but $0/10 = $0 so the women don't even claim it. He's definitely not a "genuine good guy" by any metric and everyone knows it but women are still deciding to have his baby anyways. Seems pretty obvious the "genuine good guy" theory is disproven in this case.
>>29653253
Those women are also probably not good people Anon, they are probably just as trashy and ghetto as him.
What he is saying is that there just because someone seems nice, it doesn't mean that they are just trying to get laid, it's just that different people have different motivation.
>>29653240
Damn son nice Pepe
>>29651268
It's just a rationalization by women to avoid getting called out on liking the thugs who beat them up (and who they always come back to) and so they can shame the guys who don't want to be their slaves/orbiters.
Oh you won't fix my pc? You're an evil "nice guy" asshole.
Oh you dare remind me that my Chad bf beats me up and sends me to the hospital with broken arms and ribs? You're an evil """nice guy""".
And so on. It's basically a shaming tactic, because girls feel entitled to male utility.
>>29651137
>be a empathetic guy
>help people in need and when they ask
>console people who need it
>give great advice to people that ask
>all I want is to be left alone because people bring me their problems to fix and then shun me and I'm a social loser virgin
Just want to be left alone. I'm a fucking ugly loser. They just have me help them and then shit on me the next day or shun me from social things because I'm ugly an they don't want to be seen with me. Just leave me alone.
If you call yourself a nice guy, you probably aren't one.
>>29653324
>HOW DARE YOU NOT INSTALL CRACKED PHOTOSHOP ON MY COMPUTER
>CHAD CAN YOU GET ME PHOTOSHOP
>*gives weed to some nerd for a cracked copy*
>>29651268
no. Nice guys reveal themselves to be bad guys when they feel they aren't being rewarded for being nice
Not all CHADs are assholes but when I say a chad is an asshole it's because he legitimately is. Just because someone is attractive and socially normal doesn't mean they can't be a bad person
>>29652890
>The desire to be nice has to come from actually wanting the other person to be happy.
literally me btw
Yea they exist
These cushions for disappointment are everywhere and they're incompatible simply because theur nice lowest common denomonator type people with no stand out features/traits.
When you become nothing but "nice" and live your life like a log to only be nice you effectively become a stick in the mud type.
A lot of nice guys are just like the women they chase. They have a fairy tale view of the world where they want to be knights in shining armor and save a woman.
I don't how many times I've been i discussions about this over the past 3-4 years and it all comes down to the same shit. I don't know how to describe myself but I would say I'm courteous to all people. It takes a person to give a shit to be an active asshole but I don't so I mindlessly do little shit like hold door because it's like a reflex now, it's not a choir and it's not something I need to be reciprocated for.
My parents told me three things growing up as a working class family
1. Have some fucking respect
2. The world doesn't owe you shit, and no one is going to give you anything for free so you better work for it
3. You don't have any friends
Most of the time I'd say I'm an asshole in the eyes of women because 1 I don't pay them any attention so I come off ass arrogant and that doesn't come from a place of scorn. I was just raised to have some dignity and not kiss ass so as I grew up I didn't pander for pussy, worry about self preservation(from my dad's "Worry about yourself first") and work (which I put myself into when I'm not smoking weed, playing video games, and watching movies).
I bet a lot of tou guys were raised to be willful dependents and you parents sent you out in the world like that.
Nice guy is a feminist strawman with no parallel in reality. I'm not sure why they prance around holding it up like an effigy. It's just like the word friendzone, they take a concept, completely twist it around to suit their agenda, then go around looking for fights with everyone.
Nice Guys exist but it's not a term I'd want to be associated with as it has the connotation of weakness and lack of success with women.
>>29651137
>fast food physique
>cheap sneakers
>non-threatening genitalia
Well guess I'm a nice guy, who knew
>>29651137
The nice guy syndrome is real, it happens when a child's parents are overbearing and don't give the child enough attention, and the child thinks their needs are less important than their mothers. They think that if they aren't a nice selfless little helper they will be abandoned and not get what they want
>tfw manipulation meme
Look the default for most guys is nice. Most men are still taught to be polite and courteous, especially to women. But eventually somethings happens to this nice guy, he sees Chad treating women like garbage everywhere. But Chad has no problem pulling in new tail all the time. This is where most nice guys end up becoming angry guys, what they were told and what the situation is are two different things. I don't even blame their parents, the world they grew up on 20, 30, 40, years ago was way different than now.
Furthermore if you don't think Chad is using manipulation tactics to get what he wants, you have to be dreaming. Most nice guys are naive and oblivious to what they are doing. They just exist. Whereas the average Chad in reality is a cold, hard predator looking for his next victim, I mean date. Go onto any successful dating forum online and you can see that ruthlessness wins out. Or hell just open your eyes and see the world at all.
>>29651137
>>29651268
>woman logic
"Nice guys always turn out to be assholes!"
Because if you're nice 90% of the time and an ass 10% of the time, you're really an asshole.
"But the so-called assholes are actually good guys!"
Because if you're an asshole 90% of the time and nice 10% of the time, you're really a nice person.
>>29653783
the ideal world is far different from reality.
>>29653783
>>29653809
Somehow, the 10% is perceived as the reality and the 90% is perceived as an act.
It's mental gymnastics that, once all is said and down, boils down to:
The guys who are getting laid are genuine good guys deep down
And the guys who aren't getting laid are assholes deep down
Just another feminist tactic to make their vaginas the key to male validation
>>29653609
if you're nice for a reward can you really be said to be nice? at that point you're putting in time for an expected outcome. I don't think I'm a good person for doing my job at work, I'm doing it for the expected outcome of being paid. I'd be a nice guy if I went above and beyond without expectation of a raise or reward
>>29653609
> Nice guys reveal themselves to be bad guys when they feel they aren't being rewarded for being nice
Then I can certainly say I haven't met a nice girl in my life
Chances are you aren't nice either
>>29653863
Yea basically it's the just world fallacy for roasties.
The thing though is that women know very well why a nice guy is courting them in his own shitty way (by being a good friend and person), and they have no problem accepting all the perks of having some schmuck orbit them. I think it's disingenous as hell to proceed and shame these guys when they finally muster up enough courage to state their intentions.
>>29653883
All human interaction is transactional in nature. Niceness does not exiin a vacuum. Nice is just a synonym for prosocial.
>>29653883
Maybe your both doing it because it's the right thing to do and that you might get something out of it. What are you then, a neutral guy?
>>29652145
Same here. I used to be a geniunely nice person. I used to be friendly to everyone, from Chad and Stacy to beta males and neckbeards. Seeing people take advantage of it and treat me like shit has changed me completely. Now i only am nice to the weak and helpless, and those who have proven themselves as good people. Its the only way to not be a piece of shit human and not get taken advantage of for it.
Everyone needs to watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phwMQ96ogAM
>>29651137
"nice guy" definitely appears to be a (degenerate) secular phenomenon. i'm agnostic now, but i grew up in a heavy baptist community. the "nice guys" were christians who had girlfriends. because as fucked up as christianity is, they still recognize that most of the time (not all but most), men should be in charge. and most of the time (not all but most), women should shut the fuck up and play a support role.
feminism would have you believe that christian men never hear a woman's idea and say "hey that's a good idea." and feminism would have you believe that writing your idea in menstrual blood on a posterboard is superior and better than humbly asking of the group that your idea be considered. humility is a cornerstone christian value. humility is a trademark of nice guys, regardless of their religion. women today are as unhumble as they could possibly be.
i don't think america will ever go back to being little house on the prairie or whatever. but i feel that where youth of the 1960's rejected their forerunners, i think this generation's youth are like "women are idiots. sexism is necessary and beneficial." information is too widespread for women to hide anymore. when millions of dudes share online about how they bought dinner and got nothing in return, questions begin to be asked.
>>29651137
You can be a nice guy without being the nice guy. The point is don't think being respectable and nice to people as a reason why women should have sex with you or that being nice also means being a pushover. That's creepy.
>>29651137
Basicly everyone is pure evil, either you're """nice""" eg manipulative, or you're "alpha" eg disrespectful
>>29652709
women just hate nice guys why do you think Hitler had a wife? only evil prevails in this world
>>29652601
>>29653921
these
"nice guy" is just women pushing the eject button on a platonic relationship.
"uh oh, this boy realizes that i'm cockteasing him because i'm just as lonely as him, even though somehow i still feel better than him and won't fuck him. and now he's mad at me. better call him a 'nice guy', and completely renounce ALL nice acts he did for me, to anyone who asks why we don't speak anymore."
it's an excuse. both genders make excuses. it's cool. but call people when they make excuses.
call it what it is. women want to sponge off nice dudes, but not repay them. period.
>>29651345
this show never stops being good
>>29653039
>women actually believe the women beaters they are dating are the actually "real nice guys"
>>29653306
yeah and they are getting laid way more then actual good people with a good jobs. women are mostly attracted to narcissistic and psychopathic assholes. see the dark trait
>>29652045
Convenient to those who perceive matters that way.
Simplistic because it's simplistic.
>>29651137
>six foot or less
im ready to die now. please let me get off the ride
>>29654241
As that guy said, those shitty people who commit crime and act violent, are fucking shitty women who likely just hang around them for drug connections, or because in their world, it's the best they can get.
A good person with a job and a happy life is nearly definitely more interested in holding down a stable relationship, and they generally are, I don't know of any legitimately nice guys that put themselves out there regularly and can't get a gf.
Drop the armchair psychology, too. Having psychopathic traits or narcissistic traits doesn't make you a psychopath or narcissist, or even a bad person.
>>29654537
>those shitty people who commit crime and act violent, are fucking shitty women
If you actually travelled around a bit and met people from various environments you would know this isn't true.
>>29652496
>there's literally no difference
Except for bitterness and entitlement. Are you autistic?
>>29654588
>If you actually travelled around a bit and met people from various environments you would know this isn't true
>Criminals and abusive men don't get women
No, you go out side
>>29652709
>being nice is b-bad now
What the fuck are you talking about? In this world where liberals and faggots are in charge everyone has to be a "nice guy". Get fucked you queer
>>29654604
Work on your reading comprehension please.
>>29654588
Yes, I have actually been in both groups, and shitty lot tier people fuck shitty low tier people almost exclusively. Going "If you went outside more you'd see you are in fact wrong" doesn't change what the reality is mate.
Abusive individuals generally seem perfect for months until they display abusive behaviours, so I'm not talking about them, simply felons and drug addicts.
>>29654603
Most of the human niceness operates and always has operated on quid pro quo.
I will take care of your dog and in return i expect that you will have enough respect and intelligence to honor this mutually beneficial transaction in one form or other. Be it making sure that the dog doesn't shit on my lawn or you'll let me borrow a hammer when I need one.
There are very few humans who are kind to others and are fine with being shat on and ignored.
Remember, if your opinions align with the rest of /r9k/ it's the reason why you're a robot!
Nice guys are disgusting guys. They're fake, shallow, and boring.
>>29654736
There's a big difference between going "if I'm nice to you, you should be nice back to me, but it's alright if you can't do something for me for whatever reason" and going "If I do a favor for you, you're beholden to me until you repay me appropriately by doing a favour for me". You aren't a bank. Acts of kindness aren't loans. If you treat them as if they are, you're not actually doing something nice, you're doing something you believe will pay off for you, it's a selfish behaviour.
Your whole issue comes down to that you think most people think that doing a kind deed is a "mutually beneficial transaction".
It's all right here. It's reddit but it's also right, boys.
>>29651268
Agreed, people on r9k need to read No More Mr. Nice Guy but if they had the attention span to read a book maybe they wouldnt be such pathetic faggots
>>29654862
pretty sure that's just a 4chan copypasta
>>29654862
Is this some redpill shit? Because guys aren't labelled "nice guys" until they show they in fact, aren't nice guys.
Such as they ask the girl out, get turned down, then get pushy and rude. Or they're extremely kind to a girl who's already in a relationship, then starts insulting the boyfriend and trying to manipulate them into breaking up. Or any number of other things.
The term nice guy, as has been stated, is someone who's being nice purely to try to get their dick wet, and then acts like a dick when they find out this isn't going to happen.
I've known dudes who are legitimately good people, and when they get turned down, they at most ask if there was something they could improve on, but generally just go "all good", and move on without drama. Girls don't see them as shitty for this, and they found partners within the year.
>>29651137
Most nice guys are really bitter assholes. I use to be a nice guy until I realized I'm just a gigantic cock head.
>>29654827
that's because it is, most sane people will understand the difference between 'sorry, I can't do that' and 'nah, I won't do that', are you honestly telling me you would keep mowing the lawn of your asshole neighbor who keeps dumping his trash on your lawn jsut because you're so nice?
it is a quid pro quo and always will be, the exchange does not have to be immediate or a 1:1 ratio, but most people will expect you to repay kindness with at least respect if nothing else.
This is the thing about most 'nice guy' relationships too, Stacy keeps using 'nice guy' orbiter while he's still willing and compliant and then pulls the 'I thought we were friends' card on him the moment he expect a reciprocation of some sort, (in many cases) a pussy/shot at relationship to satiate his thirsty betaness or an actual friendship - most Stacies treat these 'friendships' as one way streets because they can.
>>29652429
>it will build a positive relationship with the neighbours
>they might reciprocate by keeping an eye on your dog while you are away next time
Glad you added these. Proof you know people usually expect to benefit from their actions.
>>29654931
If in your example the guy was unattractive he would, in fact, be labelled a "nice guy".
And as I said previously, if you stop being nice, girls will call you a nice guy. You won't show me your homework so I can copy it? You're a "nice guy". You won't come fix my PC? You're a "nice guy". You won't drive me to Chad's house? You're a nice guy.
I've seen more females act entitled to male utility than males act entitled to female sexuality.
>>29654936
>that's because it is, most sane people will understand the difference between 'sorry, I can't do that' and 'nah, I won't do that
Sure, how is that related?
>are you honestly telling me you would keep mowing the lawn of your asshole neighbor who keeps dumping his trash on your lawn jsut because you're so nice?
Or this question? How do either of these prove me wrong? Sure, if someone's a cunt to me I'm not going to be going out of my way to do good things for them, but you're missing the point. The difference between a good person and a "nice guy" is intent. A nice guy expressly goes into every nice thing going "if I do enough good things for you, you're beholden to me and have to give me what I want". A good person might expect some basic kindnesses in return for being nice, kind of a "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself" thing, but it's not a transaction to them. There's no expectation that you must always be good to them and give them what they want back. In your example, if the neighbor keeps putting trash on their lawn, the good person would simply ask them to stop politely, and if it's severe maybe take it to a higher authority.
The nice guy would get shitty with the neighbor and start doing bad things back to them in order to get even because they feel like they've been slighted, and didn't get what they wanted.
>Stacy keeps using 'nice guy' orbiter while he's still willing and compliant and then pulls the 'I thought we were friends' card on him the moment he expect a reciprocation of some sort, (in many cases) a pussy/shot at relationship to satiate his thirsty betaness or an actual friendship - most Stacies treat these 'friendships' as one way streets because they can
Well yeah. If you're a platonic friend to someone, and don't show you're interested, they're going to assume you're just friends with them. You can't just go "I gave you nice shit, now sleep with me" and expect it to work.
Nice guys are the people who dont talk about the wrong things they do. There is no such thing as a nice guy, its just that some people are better at hiding their faults than others.
>>29655022
>If in your example the guy was unattractive he would, in fact, be labelled a "nice guy".
Except, in my example, the dude wasn't actually a particular looker, probably slightly below average, and no-one called him a "nice guy".
>And as I said previously, if you stop being nice, girls will call you a nice guy. You won't show me your homework so I can copy it? You're a "nice guy". You won't come fix my PC? You're a "nice guy". You won't drive me to Chad's house? You're a nice guy.
Not really true. If they ask a favour and you go "no fuck you, you didn't do something for me too" you'd get labelled it, but no matter what the label is, you're a fucking dick for doing that, male or female. If you legitimately can't for whatever reason, there's no issue. Or even if you just don't feel interested in being someone who just does shit for someone, just don't hang out with them anymore, you won't get labelled a nice guy for that. It's extremely easy to not get even stuck in the situation you're talking about, simply don't constantly put yourself out there for someone who you're not in a relationship with. Do nice stuff, but no-one's saying you need to live exclusively for others to be a good person.
It's a very well defined term, about when a guy is extremely nice until he gets rejected by the girl, or until he finds out he won't get laid, and then turns into an asshole about it, gets manipulative or rude or abusive. Not just "in this hypothetical I made up, a guy did this and got labelled 'nice guy', so that's actually what it means".
>>29652832
>it has literally no meaning, it's just to convey an emotional message.
>i always see nice men with nice women, it's not like you never see it.
Appears to be the case.
>chick in group of friends that has a ton of fucking orbiters
>she's pretty hot and nerdy enough
>orbiters constantly around her, reassuring and parroting everything she says
>she and I have completely different beliefs and ideologies
>we are friends and I constantly tease her and harp on her
>get drunk with group
>by the end of the night she is grabbing my dick through my jeans and I'm fondling her
>mfw her beta orbiters saw me get farther with her then they ever will
Be known as the asshole, it pays off.
If there's something i've learned from this thread it's that you should do anything for women.
Nice guys are usually shyer, more awkward, usually anattracive (that doesn't have to be the case).
What all shy guys have been told by parents, society, female friends, is that they just act nice and be kind and that they will get a girlfriend, This was true in the past, before the 1940's if you were nice and kind you could probably get a girlfriend.
Feminism happened and women are attracted to men who treat them "like shit". "Like shit" means in calling the girl bitch sometimes, pushing them around a bit, acting like an alpha chad.
So when a guy who is told by society to act kind and get a girlfriend, and they ask a girl to go out with them, they rightfully get angry. They've been told that if they're nice they'll get a girl, but they see alphas scoring all the time and they think of it as unfair.
This isn't from a nice guy or an alpha, this is from observation. It's obvious when you start noticing it.
>>29655172
Do anything to acquire them or to serve them?
>>29655047
So since we're dealing in extremes and you expect absolutely nothing in return of your kindness: even the acknowledgement that you did them a favor it means you're such a good person you would just ask the neighbor to stop dumping trash on your lawn and then proceed to mow his lawn, correct?
If your answer is no then you expect at least some kind of reciprocation:
you'll do his lawn once or twice and you'd like him to respect your land stop dumping trash there.
Because what I mean is that most people won't be nice to people who aren't nice to them: Yes, even being nice back is acknowledgement of the quid pro quo going on. Because doing something without expecting/hoping for absolutely nothing in return is literal insanity.
Normal person would stop mowing lawn of said neighbor and report him, while treating others decently and expecting to be treated decently back, instead you go in the extreme opposite.
>Well yeah. If you're a platonic friend to someone, and don't show you're interested, they're going to assume you're just friends with them. You can't just go "I gave you nice shit, now sleep with me" and expect it to work.
But that's the thing, here's a hypothetical situation not same, but similar to Stacy+nice guys: you have a buddy who keeps borrowing from you and asks you to help him out moving furniture, lend him jumper cables, recommend him good movies etc. and the moment you ask him for help with a project you're calls you an asshole and disappears.
It's similar situation except orbiters are delusional enough to think Stacy would actually date them and you can't really compare friendship with relationship, but most of these things are completely one sided in favor of Stacy.
>>29652750
>nice guy aren't necessarily nice, they are just well mannered and reserved.
Good point. A common mistake.
>>29653932
I agree with you, I think most people wouldn't though. I'm not gonna be altruistic unless it's reciprocal either in how it helps me or boosts my esteem and that's true for most people but I also don't think I'm nice for engaging in prosocial behaviors I'm hardwired to take part in
>>29653938
Yeah, neutral guy, maybe prosocial guy
>>29654537
>Having psychopathic traits or narcissistic traits doesn't make you a psychopath or narcissist, or even a bad person
yes, it does, it makes you the most insufferable type of person that exists actually
>>29655254
a project you're working on he calls you an asshole*
>>29655223
Yes!
Roboloxxx
>>29651269
So then everyone is an asshole? Really makes you think.
ITT: everyone reaffirms my world view that I'm fucked having been raised by completely incompetent parents who didn't instill any values in me whatsoever
Such is the life of a gamma male.
>>29654931
>I've known dudes who are legitimately good people, and when they get turned down,
lel and that is why girls don't want them. only evil prevails in this world.
>>29655254
>So since we're dealing in extremes and you expect absolutely nothing in return of your kindness
I literally never said this. I expect a basic level of kindness, but I don't feel like you must pay me back somehow.
There's a huge middleground between turn the other cheek tier selflessness and being a 'nice guy' that most people inhabit. You can simply do kind things to others and never get anything back from it, such as being kind to a stranger, or someone who's not a friend or someone you socialise regularly with.
Letting yourself be taken advantage of isn't being nice, it's completely different.
>It's similar situation except orbiters are delusional enough to think Stacy would actually date them and you can't really compare friendship with relationship, but most of these things are completely one sided in favor of Stacy.
Sure, that friend you said would be a fucking dick. But it's not the same. Help with a project I'm working on isn't the same as expecting sex from someone, or for them to get in a relationship that will take up much of their time. That's asking too much.
It'd be like if I asked the friend I'd helped with heaps to buy me a car, or to do all my housework for three months, and then threw a tantrum when he didn't want to do them. I'd be the one who was a fucking prick.
Also, if you let yourself be taken advantage of, it's no-one's fault but your own. If you give and give and give, and the person doesn't have a reason to believe there's a catch to it, they're not a bad person when they're surprised there's a major catch like "now you have to be in a serious relationship with me", nor when they refuse that.
>>29655282
No, it really doesn't. You have no idea what you're talking about. A high self esteem and confidence in your abilities can result in narcissistic traits, even if that confidence is completely reasonable.
>>29655379
Did you even read the rest of that paragraph?
>>29655357
If your parents didn't actively abuse you, they weren't bad parents, and you can't blame your failures on them.
The reason you don't have any strong values is the same one you can't accept responsibility for your own failures, because it's far easier to just avoid it.
>>29655421
>The reason you don't have any strong values is the same one you can't accept responsibility for your own failures, because it's far easier to just avoid it.
In a society where everyone who isn't top 5% on the social ladder is filled with crippling self-loathing, that reason is void.
>>29655382
>Sure, that friend you said would be a fucking dick. But it's not the same. Help with a project I'm working on isn't the same as expecting sex from someone, or for them to get in a relationship that will take up much of their time. That's asking too much.
But the beta orbiter is literally a boyfriend in every aspect except he doesn't receive pussy.
What's going on between stacy and her beta certainly isn't friendship because that would be mutual and stacy never gives back even if the orbiter actually wanted friendship, which in itself is rare too.
>>29652986
HAHAHAAH
HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA
The whole club scene is basically people lying to each other. Women go there to be willingly lied to by some of the shittiest guys around, inevitably ending up with a one night stand with some attractive guy who acted just interesting and nice enough to attract her for that one night then he's gone.
He's not called a fake nice guy. What women call a 'nice guy' is that friend in their group who tries to show interest and make a move on her but she's not attracted to him so she rejects his advanced only for him to limit contact. Taking those months to try and build up a relationship, acting in a different manner like every single person does is what makes them a 'nice guy'. The idea of the 'nice guy' just came about so women could mock and demonize these social failures.
Wait, do women use "nice guys" or not? That's important.
>>29655485
Some women do for free meals and dates. Then get confused when the guy goes in for a kiss.
>>29651268
>>29652146
>>29652429
>>29654780
>>29655069
all these roasties
Has anyone ever actually come up to you, given you tons of gifts without explaining they want you to be their gf then complained "hurr why won't you fuck me"? It is a complete meme.
Men want sex more than women, so women can use sex to get men above their league.
Unattractive men have to compensate materially by offering to pay for dates and such and so run the risk of being taken advantage of.
A lack of intimacy is a sign that a relationship is going nowhere and they are better off using their limited time and resources elsewhere.
Likewise if you visibly use sex to get men more attractive than you, they are better off not wining and dining with you.
There is nothing immoral or oppressive about any of this, they are not taking anything from you, just being selective with who they give things to. In fact we are literally telling fedoras and beta orbiters to stop bothering you and date the fat girl instead. How is any of this anti-feminism, oppressive or bigoted? Because someone labelled women who use sex to get Chad a "slut"? Boo hoo.
Robots are faced with being lonely for the rest of their lives, most of them had shitty upbringings or some kind of mental illness, they are insulted daily, things far worse than slut and sometimes by employers, educaters and people they have to depend on, yet we never see you tripping over yourselves to help them. "Creep" and "entitled nice guy" are objectively worse labels than "slut" because you are accusing them of being potential sexual predators, the worst sexists look at you as ditzy bimbos while you stereotype unattractive socially awkward men as monsters, potential threats, something that would be justified to physically remove from society, something you've probably done in other ways like when you invited everyone for drinks except "ugh, him".
Modern feminism is completely morally vacuous and self-serving. You don't have the moral high ground.
>>29655421
>If your parents didn't actively abuse you, they weren't bad parents
There's plenty of way to fuck up your children. You could have little to no interaction with them, be poor and don't provide them with much, giving them a bad diet, and for the "nice guys" case, not being told the proper way to interact with the outside world i.e: getting a gf
>>29655483
Unrelated but what do women even consider "interesting" at a club? Like just an outrageously charismatic guy saying the most vapid things imaginable?
>>29655347
Dicks, pussies, and assholes. Some pussies realize they were dicks all along. Others get full of shit.
>>29655454
>In a society where everyone who isn't top 5% on the social ladder is filled with crippling self-loathing, that reason is void.
If you actually believe that 95% of people are filled with crippling self loathing, you really should see a professional, because that's a really warped view of the work.
>>29655479
>But the beta orbiter is literally a boyfriend in every aspect except he doesn't receive pussy.
That and the fact that he's not, in fact her boyfriend. He's not in a romantic relationship with her.
>>29655495
No one owes anyone a kiss.
>>29654877
Hahahaha you think youre superior for reading a self help book?
>>29655512
Pretty much.
Add "hot" and "rich with nice car" and you got it.
>>29655509
>You could have little to no interaction with them
If this is bad enough to impact you, it's a form of neglect.
>be poor and don't provide them with much
Not really a huge deal, being poor as a child doesn't stop you succeeding financially yourself, let alone in relationships.
>giving them a bad diet
If you're an adult and complaining that you were somehow abused by your parents because they fed you too much and it ruined your life, you're being fucking ridiculous. Eat less.
>and for the "nice guys" case, not being told the proper way to interact with the outside world i.e: getting a gf
Do you think there's some secret method that everyone but you knows of getting a gf? There's not, your parents don't teach you shit.
>>29651301
>literally destroyed civilizations
What civilizations has it destroyed? You're being really dramatic
>>29655495
So they're legitimately stupid or just leading them on?
>>29655526
Leading people on is wrong and women do it all the time when it benefits them.
>>29655525
I mean that's his fault partially and his parents because they told him he should be nice to girls.
But it still shows absolute lack of morality in women who willingly abuse this because many of them are very well aware of the fact that the orbiter wants to tap that.
>>29655599
It destroyed Rome, the greatest civilization ever known. It also destroyed a few other aging empires, I believe the Byzantine was one.
It's a well-known fact that feminism is a phase that marks the end of a civilization. The masculine era of control is marked by building, creating, reaching for the sky (we landed on the fucking moon during male-controlled times, for god'd sake). The feminine era is marked by destruction of morals, privileging of hedonism, mockery of morality and chastity, worship of whores and avarice, and general degeneracy.
Have you never heard the stories of the Romans living lives of such hedonism that tehy would just get up and go to their friends' homes and eat cheese and wine and get drunk and fuck and vomit so they could eat and drink more? Those times were uncontolled by men. Those were feminist times when women had sexual selection power. Do you know what happened after that?the barbarians invaded and destroyed the city because none of the men gave a shit about defending it because they were sick of being sexually rejected by the women and felt no acceptance. sound familiar? Here come the muslims!
>>29655421
>you have no idea what you're talking about
projection
>a high self-esteem
is nothing short of vanity, which is for girls -- it is not your place to assign value to yourself as your bias will prevent you from making an accurate judgment 100% of the time, it is society's place to do that
>>29654241
Quality not quantity senpai.
It's better to have sex with a few people you care about than to have sex with dozens you dont.
>>29655568
>Not really a huge deal, being poor as a child doesn't stop you succeeding financially yourself, let alone in relationships.
>Living in poverty isn't a huge deal
Dat privilege
>If you're an adult and complaining that you were somehow abused by your parents because they fed you too much and it ruined your life, you're being fucking ridiculous
You could also get high cholesterol, Diabetes , and weak organs due to shitty diet from childhood. Also your brain cells.
>Do you think there's some secret method that everyone but you knows of getting a gf?
If there was, it's clearly not be nice and generous to women.
>There's not, your parents don't teach you shit.
What about kids/teens in school sports teams? They train at home daily and be taught by their parents how to push themselves to be better players. Parents are supposed to teach their kids how to confident and extroverted
>>29655483
Yes that is a club scene though. Life isn't a club.
>>29655667
>I mean that's his fault partially and his parents because they told him he should be nice to girls.
Nah, everyone's parents pretty much tells them to be nice to girls.
>But it still shows absolute lack of morality in women who willingly abuse this because many of them are very well aware of the fact that the orbiter wants to tap that.
Yeah, I think that it's shitty to let someone treat you that way if you know they want more, but it's hard to prove really.
>>29655699
>projection
Do you even know what projection means? You're just using it like a buzzword, and it has absolutely no value.
>is nothing short of vanity, which is for girls -- it is not your place to assign value to yourself as your bias will prevent you from making an accurate judgment 100% of the time, it is society's place to do that
Are you arguing that unless you have absolutely no ego at all, as in you have absolutely no opinion of yourself as a good or bad person, or possessing good or bad traits, you're somehow mentally faulty? Are you serious in saying this? Because that's mind bogglingly stupid mate, literally all human beings have an ego to some degree.
>>29655715
>Dat privilege
I never said it's not a big deal. If you legitimately live in an area so poverty stricken that food and basic resources are an issue, I feel for you. But most people here mean "my parents couldn't afford the new console for me" or "I couldn't always go on excursions" when they say poor, which means fuck all as far as you succeeding. School's free, and your student loans don't increase if you're poor or not.
>You could also get high cholesterol, Diabetes , and weak organs due to shitty diet from childhood.
Dietary cholesterol goes down when you stop eating, as does diabetes type 2. You can't get type 1 by eating too much, you're born with it.
And weak organs would only happen if you were a seriously malnourished child.
cont
>>29655782
your vanity is showing, little girl
>>29653986
It's not about good or evil, nice or mean. It's all about power and status
Hitler was a complete loser before he became chancellor. When he was a homeless artist in Vienna he was a complete robot. Even when he became fuhrer some of the women he dated killed themselves because they couldn't stand to be with him. He had a wife for a day, then they killed themselves. His only appeal was his title and the power that came with it. Had he been a nice benevolent ruler it would still help him, because he is a ruler nonetheless.
Status is the only thing that matters to women. Yes, looks to convey a certain status. But so does money, confidence, expertise in a professional or creative pursuit, not acting subservient. What matters is that you're able to convey this status to them. It's easy for guys with looks because simply being seen in showing high status. Also easy for guys with money because they can flaunt wealth with their material possessions. It becomes Much more difficult from there to display your status, but it's why ugly ass rock stars fucked thousands of women. Hell even the unsuccessful musicians who can still lay pipe, because they show status in their art. I lost my virginity after singing with my band because it's the only thing I'm great at.
>>29655715
>Also your brain cells.
What do you mean by this, exactly?
>If there was, it's clearly not be nice and generous to women.
There's a line between "be nice and generous to those around you" and "let yourself be taken advantage of because you assume it will get you something in return". The first one absolutely will get you treated better by others.
>What about kids/teens in school sports teams?
What does school sports have to do with the topic at hand?
>They train at home daily and be taught by their parents how to push themselves to be better players.
No, most don't do this, and most parents have no idea how to train a kid for school sports beyond sometimes a parent kicking a ball around with their kid.
>Parents are supposed to teach their kids how to confident and extroverted
Parenting doesn't work this way, it's not a class selection screen. Parents teach their kids basic life skills, and provide food and shelter and adequate medical care for them. That's all most do.
>>29655815
Fuck off retard.
>>29655782
Of course it's hard to prove, because if you ask her she'll act like a dumb spoiled princess who doesn't know what a cock looks like and gaggle of girlfriends will back her up.
>>29653986
Hitler was good though.
No girl wants a pushover but I think 90% of it comes down to looks. A super good looking and tall shy/nice guy is still going to get girls easily. Most guys I see that are shy are shy for a good reason, they don't look good...
Why are 'nice guys' attracted to shitty women?
>>29655826
Why are you making shit up? I never understood people who like to lie and make bullshit up for no reason.
>>29655867
Because those are the hot looking ones and the shy nerdy girls expect to be approached by a beta who has to orbit for 5 months to even get the courage to ask a girl out. But then comes along chad, tells her to spread her legs and she does so because he isn't a beta.
>>29653629
Honestly robots need to become gay
Not bi, legit gay
Fix ALL your problems.
Complain about normies to your bf
How do I stop being such a nice guy though? I guess you have to completely stop caring what anyone thinks of you? I've never been taken advantage of, and I've never orbited a girl but I still feel like a nice guy because I rarely assert myself in social situations.
>>29655850
If you can't READ , you shouldn't be arguing
>
What do you mean by this, exactly?
Bad diet affects your brain cells. Look it up
>The first one absolutely will get you treated better by others.
It doesn't gain you friendship/relationship. If a guy doesn't anything else but that, he's considered boring
>No, most don't do this, and most parents have no idea how to train a kid for school sports beyond sometimes a parent kicking a ball around with their kid.
How do I know you've never been or even TALKED to people in sports teams? Stop talking from anecdotal evidence.
Bring up kids in sports teams matter because they are trained to be confident, disciplined, and interacting with others.
> Parents teach their kids basic life skills, and provide food and shelter and adequate medical care for them.
Look how great most their children come out as compared to Chad
Clearly you're a woman, or just a fucking idiot with no life
Or maybe both
>>29656009
literally treat women like children.
That's it, they don't know what they want, they aren't right, nor should you listen to them and you're suddenly badboy Chad attitude-wise.
>>29656009
Don't help women , ever
Like at all
Only help other dudes
>>29656009
Don't care about being nice
Don't care about not being nice either.
Starting to think it's a worthless concern unless it's your job to be pleasant and unassertive.
Betas are the building blocks of society.
You can shame them all you want for not being "perfect Alphas" that women want but Alphas rarely help out with the greater whole of society.
In fact, Beta and Alpha is a dichotomy almost 100% enforced by women.
In a woman-free zone, men generally feel equal and help each other.
Enslave the woman now.
>>29656009
Be genuinely nice, but don't be a "nice guy".
>>29655254
The project in your analogy isn't really the same as love and a fulfilling relationship or even fucking.
>>29652890
The problem I have with a lot of these discussions is that so many people seem to think there are basically two kinds of people:
People who act nice in a deceitful way purely for selfish pursuits
or
People who are 100% selfless and only care about the happiness of others at their own expense
Very few people exist who fit the latter criteria. Virtually all humans are selfish. However, and this is the main point I'm trying to make, there are a lot of people who are selfish enough to care about their own happiness but ALSO care about the happiness of others.
If I'm nice to someone I expect them to be nice back. If I give love to a woman I expect her to love me back. I'm not a so called "nice guy" in a deceitful way if I expect a woman to give back what I give to her. Give and take and mutual happiness is what a healthy friendship or romantic relationship should be about. I don't want to use an abuse anyone, but I don't want to be used or abused either.
>>29656018
>Bad diet affects your brain cells. Look it up
No, you made the claim, you can explain it if you want me to take it seriously.
>It doesn't gain you friendship/relationship. If a guy doesn't anything else but that, he's considered boring
Well yeah, you would be boring if all you ever did was just occasional nice deeds. You need some hobbies too, but most people have hobbies.
>How do I know you've never been or even TALKED to people in sports teams? Stop talking from anecdotal evidence
Because it seems clear that most parents have no idea how to program a training regiment for a specific sport?
>Bring up kids in sports teams matter because they are trained to be confident, disciplined, and interacting with others.
No, actually, they're trained to do their sport. The rest doesn't matter. You're working with stereotypes here.
>Look how great most their children come out as compared to Chad
And what do you think that the parents of a chad kid do differently? What's the magic key to good parenting? Because if you've figured out the key to finding the difference between nature and nurture, you should really write a paper on it, you could change the whole field of childhood psychology.
>Clearly you're a woman, or just a fucking idiot with no life
Yeah, because it's impossible that someone could ever disagree with you without having one of any number of traits you see as bad, right? You couldn't just be being fucking retarded, could you?
Also
>using having no life as an insult
>on /r9k/
Fuck off.
>>29656089
>Be genuinely nice
But the point is either way, that doesn't get you anywhere in life
>>29656091
that's why i said orbiters are delusional. And stacies abuse this delusion.
>>29655890
>Roasty brain can't handle the truth
In other news, water is wet.
>>29656114
Of course, their are other values in play, such as motivation and responsibility, which /r9k/ seems to lack.
>>29656093
You mean people are reciprocally altruistic.
>>29656104
>most parents have no idea how to program a training regiment for a specific sport?
I was talking about the ones that do. Actually read
>You need some hobbies too, but most people have hobbies.
Just like how I brought up kids in sports but you clearly don't get why I brought it up. Plus, hobbies does not enhance your social skills.
>No, actually, they're trained to do their sport. The rest doesn't matter. You're working with stereotypes here
If you actually don't have any experience than what's your point? You're delusional if you think majority sports athletes aren't trained and inspired by their parents. You're a woman anyways, you know shit about sports
>And what do you think that the parents of a chad kid do differently?
It's almost like Well neutral families have successful children!!!!
>Not knowing bad diets fuck up your brain cells
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121017091724.htm
dumbass
>>29656104
>And what do you think that the parents of a chad kid do differently? What's the magic key to good parenting? Because if you've figured out the key to finding the difference between nature and nurture, you should really write a paper on it, you could change the whole field of childhood psychology.
Not that guy, but I can give my opinion on that. First of all, parenting is not binary, they are dependent on both the child and the parents. Some children are beta by nature, some are alpha by nature. This might be caused by the amount of testosterone they were exposed to in the womb, but I won't go to deep in to that.
Second, Chad becomes Chad because of positive feedback during his upbringing. A child that is praised often will likely have higher confidence and believe that the things he does are good. In reverse, a child that gets scolded or neglected often will likely have lower self esteem and will more often doubt whether he is doing the right thing.
I'm not arguing what the right way of parenting is though, there are a lot more variables when it comes to good parenting. My major point is that positive feedback is one the things that makes a Chad and parents can of course have huge impact in this.
>>29656174
>such as motivation and responsibility
You could have all that, be a asshole to people and still succeed. Being nice does jack shit
>>29651302 >>29652104 >>29652204 >>29652989 >>29653324 >>29653609 >>29653809 >>29654877 >>29655499
Holy shit guys, not only did you tskr the obvious bait, but Also projekteja that "bullshit narrative" on women, revealing your on predispositions.
>>29656263
>I was talking about the ones that do. Actually read
You didn't ever say that, actually. And most kids on sports teams don't have coaches for parents.
>Just like how I brought up kids in sports but you clearly don't get why I brought it up.
Because you're making fucking half formed points, then calling me dumb for going off the half you actually explained to me.
>Plus, hobbies does not enhance your social skills.
They objectively do, as they give you topics to talk about.
>If you actually don't have any experience than what's your point?
Experience with what, what the fuck are you talking about?
>You're delusional if you think majority sports athletes aren't trained and inspired by their parents.
Most athletes parents have no fucking idea how to train their child. Their coach does, sure, but not their parents.
>You're a woman anyways, you know shit about sports
My dick kind of contradicts that, and are you saying that no women could know about sports? Exercise physiology is a field dominated by women from my experiences.
>It's almost like Well neutral families have successful children!!!!
So just average families have chad kids now?
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121017091724.htm
Can you not fucking read? The study says that in the moment, dietary stuff impacts your cognitive function. Not what your diet was like as a kid, or anything about your damn brain cells, which are replaced regularly, by the way.
You're an adult, change your diet, you don't have to eat whatever shit your parents gave you.
>>29656296
>Second, Chad becomes Chad because of positive feedback during his upbringing
I agree with you apart from this part. Simply telling a kid "you're great" doesn't make them successful, and people here regularly point towards the whole "everyone gets a trophy" thing as why they're failures. I don't think it can be both the reason people succeed and fail.
Every kid requires a different parental method I think.
>>29656257
Some people are, sure. There are many people who fall on the no reciprocation side, though.
There are also people who do selfless acts and expect nothing in return, although in a way it all comes down to chemicals in the brain and those people feel good for doing what they do.
>>29651268
no one is really completely nice
it's just a matter of how far they draw the line
a regular person puts up with petty bullshit from petty people
a nigger shoots the guy who scuffed his air jordans or looked at him the wrong way
society and the illusion of civility is a disgusting thing
>>29652104
whatever I really don't care anymore, I just wish women would stop pretending they are anything more than a child's brain and three holes with fat beta men enabling them at every step of their lives.
>>29652429
doing something nice once in a while without expecting reciprocation is fine
doing that regularly makes you the world's bitch, don't be a little bitch.
>>29652709
you're right and that's fine but I'm not going to be a part of it.
not going to participate in this sick pointless crap
>>29656453
Well, the no reciprocation side is a response to another's altruism. It's likely they also do things expecting something in return but they don't respond to others in kind. Then there are also downright selfish types who just suck it all up.
I think reciprocal altruism is most normal. It doesn't mean people should stomp their feet and throw a tantrum if they get nothing back, but disappointment is completely understandable. No one likes their efforts seemingly going to waste. It takes a saintly character to not care.
>>29653711
try having asshole parents who act like you'er hitler if you don't drop everything and come help them every time something happens
>>29653783
more like at 40 when their wife takes them to cleaners and keeps the kids and most guys then take a header off a bridge when they realize nobody ever gave a fuck about them their entire life and it was only their job that ever got them affection because women are incapable of loving another human being.
>>29656426
>They objectively do, as they give you topics to talk about.
Just because you're around people to talk, does not mean you KNOW how to talk to them
>You didn't ever say that, actually
If you can't read, how do you know?
>And most kids on sports teams don't have coaches for parents.
I didn't say they had to be actually coaches , you dumbass. Another point that you can't read. It doesn't mean parents still don't help their kids train at home.
>Experience with what, what the fuck are you talking about?
Point 3 that you can't read. Don't talk about people in sports if you have no experience in it.
>Most athletes parents have no fucking idea how to train their child. Their coach does, sure, but not their parents.
Again, you have no experience besides your own.
>My dick kind of contradicts that
You could have a penis and still be a woman too Anon...
>Not what your diet was like as a kid, or anything about your damn brain cells
http://organichealthadviser.com/archives/aspartame-dangers
>>29656658
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9W7hI0-xgE
>>29656629
Agreed.
I just get sick of all these "nice guy" discussions that imply there's something wrong with expecting reciprocation for being nice. Like you said, most people tend to follow reciprocal altruism, but for some reason when it comes to "nice guys" that all gets thrown out the window so people can shit on guys for being selfish or deceitful when they're mostly just completely normal people who want to receive a little affection in return for giving it.
>>29653629
>Most of the time I'd say I'm an asshole in the eyes of women because 1 I don't pay them any attention so I come off ass arrogant
been doing that for the past 5 years. If you don't have the looks, this is a 100% save bet on how to stay a virgin forever. Source: me
this >>29656694
Even if, as roasties claim, "nice guys" actually did demand reciprocation, this isn't entitlement, they are not forcing them to do anything, they are just talking.
When they say "I don't want to date any more, you're obviously not interested in me" they are not doing anything to her, they are simply not paying for her dinners anymore.
I think it is obvious they leap to "entitlement" because it stems from their own psychology, it is a reaction formation. They are used to being treated like angels by doting betas and now increasingly men are becoming more aloof, Chad uses her for sex, Eugene is being nice to Norma instead, for the first time in their lives they experience rejection and loneliness and they don't like it, they leap to their crutch, the feminism meme, if they feel bad they are being oppressed, right?
I hate nice guys more than chad honestly
at least chad is not a bitter fuck that is going to white knight every woman trying to get his dick wet
>>29656907
it's only actually miserable or sad if he gets pissy about it and tries to force a girl to give him affection
>>29656694
It's pretty dehumanizing and conceited. Give constructive criticism if you think they're going about matters the "wrong" way or whatever, but recognize them as human beings like you. I just shitting on them can make them bitter and spiteful.
>>29656907
>Even if, as roasties claim, "nice guys" actually did demand reciprocation, this isn't entitlement, they are not forcing them to do anything, they are just talking.
>demand reciprocation
> they are not forcing them to do anything, they are just talking.
>
>demand reciprocation
>demand reciprocation
>demand reciprocation
Oh thats okay then, as long as they dont physically force a woman to have sex with them they can DEMAND sex from them that they feel they are Owed. They are just talking :^)
>he dindu nuffin it was all the roasties fault
>>29657048
*I think just
Damn captcha.
>>29656009
>I guess you have to completely stop caring what anyone thinks of you?
Yes. That's a life lesson. Do what makes you happy. But after being taken advantage for so long , the asshole that is sitting inside is unleashed. Feel like a better person after it. It's not like I'm a dickhead but I refuse to get stepped on anymore. Fuck that shit.
>>29655670
>Byzantium
>destroyed by Feminism
more like:
>1040's: I accidentally my Armenian buffer-state because I can
>1050's: tell Latin Christians to fuck off
>1071: Turks teleport behind them
>1095: beg the Latins for help
>1204: Venice unzips dick
>1302: Ottomans become supreme Kebab
>1390's-1440's: Latins spectacularly fuck up Nicopolis and Varna Crusades
>1430's-1440's: tell Latins "fuck off we don't want your help" because theology
>1453: gg;no re
>>29651137
Women are naturally inept at everything so they use as a woman tier measuring stick and interpret being nice as a sign the possible suitor is afraid of her social worth and status.
Would a lord behave nicely towards his Serf or kitchen maid? This is how women feel
>>29656998
If he did that he is a straight up molestor.I see Chads acting like this all the time without repercussions
>>29657055
>Oh thats okay then
>:^)
Quirky emoticons and feelings don't prove anything.
>They are just talking
It is true, they are just talking.
Also this never happens anyway. I find it difficult to believe someone has ever literally said to you "I DEMAND sex".
In real life something more like this happens. Eugene leans in for a kiss after the 5th date he paid for, you flinch, he stops and says "if you're not attracted to me maybe we should call this off" which you somehow misinterpret as "WRRAWWRR I DEMAND FULL INTERCOURSE NOW" and start complaining. Your motive obviously being to get him to keep wining and dining you.
