This is a thread where you post political ideologies and rate them and give a reason why
Scale of 0-10.
10 being best possible system
0 being slightly better than anarcho-capitalism
>>29583110
Frick off frikboi
>>29583110
>slightly better than anarcho-capitalism
literal trashcan of ideology
>>29583400
Ok An-cap faggot
>>29583423
oh shit i was gonna argue with you but that mspaint comic was too unassailable
i am brought low by your combination of logic and wit
>tfw studied ethology and neurological aspects of mankind
>literally ascended above politics
>mfw I see roaches still expecting politics to save them
It's like using a big rock as a parachute and expecting it to work cause you heard it worked once with some guy
>>29583490
just keep browsing then pham
>>29583110
Ancap is the master race
Fuck8ng commie deserves a bullet desu
>>29583110
mixed economy with a strong public sector
people can vote but they must write down arguments for their vote which are read by a jury
the vote counts only if the arguments are good enough
10/10 system would live in
>>29583490
>>29583578
im sure (you) guys would love this
IT IS NECESSARY TO ABOLISH GOD TIER:
Anarchism
PRETTY GOOD TIER:
Libertarian Marxism
OK TIER:
Left-Communism
PERFIDIOUS TIER:
Liberalism
SHIT TIER:
Fascism, Leninism, Ancapism
>>29583738
>being an anarchist unironically
Kill yourself and your foolish dreams
>>29583928
On all accounts submission of one human being to another is pathetic, servile and ignoble. Why would you want to follow mr potato head anyway?
>>29583928
>being a cuck
origami
>>29583970
>He fell for the original virtue meme!
>>29584037
what does that even mean? is it just the opposite of original sin?
>>29583633
Naw, Anon, the market made all these things we enjoy. Total market freedom is not necessary for innovation, however, things work more efficiently in a free market.
>>29583970
>On all accounts submission of one human being to another is pathetic, servile and ignoble
is that what you tell your mother when she asks you to clean up your tendie plates?
originalcomment, pic related
1488
>>29584067
I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with what he was saying.
All political ideologies are -1/10, because voluntaryist anarcho capitalism is a 10.
>>29584072
yes, got a problem with that normie?
>>29584095
I meant his image.
>>29584101
>voluntaryist anarcho capitalism
The fuck is this shit.
>>29584154
a contradicting ideology built on a linguistic mistake made by anarchists using the word "state" instead of "government" which refers to government in principle including the government of bosses over their employees and cantonal governments etc
All political ideologies are secular evils.
anarchy for all.
10/10
From worst to best
1.Islamig Gommunism
2.Regular Gommunism
3.Anarcho Capitalism
4.Anarcho-socialism, syndicalism, feminism
5.Neo liberal globalist """""""""""democracy""""""""""
6.Theocracy
7.Fascism
8.Athenian Democracy
9.Monarchy
10.Tribalism/Barbarism
Rate my taste robots
the NAP doesn't apply to commies
>>29584177
I know what anarcho-capitalism is. I was mainly confused about what the hell a voluntaryist ancap is.
The black bill. 10/10
>>29584331
somebody who unironically believes that choosing to work instead of starve is a free decision
>>29584347
Do actual an-caps exist or is it just one big joke?
>>29584347
>choosing to work instead of starve
I can't believe what a big fucking baby you have to be to be bothered by this. This has literally been the case since the dawn of humanity. It's such a natural constant that even other species do it.
Not an ancap before you sperg out just not a retarded commie
>>29584389
I'm pretty sure commies don't dispute having to work not to starve.
>>29584389
sorry buster but is =! ought
>>29584406
In theory they don't, but amongst the grass roots there are plenty of retards who seem to think they should never have to work. Case in point >>29584419 this retard. Do you know what an unproductive human society means you mouthbreather? It means stagnation. Technological, cultural, economic stagnation. It means sitting on your ass depressed shovelling food (or waiting for the next bread ration in your case) until the day you fucking die. Good luck with your workless """""""Utopia""""""" you fool.
>>29584439
This is why we should all take the black pill and commit mass suicide.
I'm libertarian too, mainly because of:
Muh guns
muh weed
muh (less) taxes
Also libertarian politicians mostly have balls to do the real talk.
>>29584439
I'm pretty sure most just want a fair deal for their work, unlike in ancap where you get your physics masters so you can live in a shack like a poo in loo
>>29584439
I don't think I should never have to work, I think I'd be freer if I had the choice not to. Which you haven't addressed and just sperged out instead.
>>29584459
>Also libertarian politicians mostly have balls to do the real talk.
Libertarian politicians have no power to loose and are already well off, so they just say whatever.
ftfy
>>29584462
>an cap society
>organized higher education
kek
>>29584475
Yeah I forgot that, I overestimated them there.
>Anarcho-Capitalism
>5/10, bound-to-fail-tier
Gr8 economy. corporations WOULDN'T be the boogeymen leftists make them out to be and take advantage of everyone. An absence of rule of law would lead to savagery and murder. Would only work in extremely high IQ societies.
>National Socialism
>4/10, pleb tier
Literal Keynesian deficit spending wartime economy orgy that would eventually run out of money. Social safety net would help the lower IQ hwhites and disadvantage the more intelligent onces. The destruction of natural heirarchy in favor of ethnocentrism is basically Marxism with a racial slant.
>Authoritarian Gommunisn
>2/10, r u kidding me nigger?
Price controls lead to shortages and mountains of millions of bodies.
>Democratic Socialism
>3/10, just cuck my shit up
Price controls lead to shortages and mountains of millions of bodies. Also social freedoms that don't matter because you're starving.
>Neo Conservatism
>6/10, try harder nigger
Wishy-washy centrism with some of the superficial aspects of Constiutional Conservatism. Could be truly economically free, but muh pensions & muh $ocial(ist) $ecurity populist ponzi scheme policy. Also, horrible foreign policy that bankrupts the nation and leads to the erosion of freedoms
>Monarchy
>5/10, bound-to-fail-tier
Stable, but usually economically authoritarian (depending on the will of the monarch)
>Constitutional Republicanism
>8/10 gr8-tier
Based on enlightenment values of rule of law and natural rights. Economically free and prosperous, but prone to cultural marxist subversion.
>Minarchist Libertarianism
>7/10, almost there tier
Would be optimal form of government in a better world. Incompatible with the lax immigration policy supported by many minarchists, due to swarms of low IQ immigrants.
>Free Market Auhoritarianism
>100000000/10, god-tier
Pinochet did nothing wrong
>>29584499
>corporations WOULDN'T be the boogeymen leftists make them out to be
>Gr8 economy
KEK
>Would only work in extremely high IQ societies.
IQ isn't what matters. What matters is levels off altruism. An-cap would only work in societies full of highly altruistic people.
Are you even trying damn frogposters?
>>29584553
Lower IQ individuals are inherently less altrustic, considering how much crime they're involved in.
But yes, such an anarcho-capitalist society would also have to embrace peaceful parenting and other cultural values, but the high IQ is the prerequisite.
>>29584603
A lot of psychopaths are high IQ though.
All political systems are bound to fail. Not because of their intrinsic flaws, but because the failible nature of humans.
Thus it can be concluded the only workable system would be transhumanist
>>29584626
this
Just live brah, who cares about politics. Nations, morality and all that shit is just a spook. The only thing that exists is the flesh and the mind.
Denying it is naive.
>>29584608
It's such an incredibly low percentage of the population. And the majority of people who are genetically susceptible to developing these psychological conditions (even ones as extreme as schizophrenia) are MUCH less likely to become mentally ill if they are raised properly. They've done studies which conclusively prove that schizophrenia and other disorders are often a combination of genetics and environment.
The people who are legitimately born without empathy are so few that we shouldn't be basing public policy and the whole foundation of out society on the off chance that they may do something bad.
>>29584638
People with your mentality are the reason we're in such a shitty position today. You'll willfully ignore politics until the spigot runs dry and the perverted baby boomer machination that is our modern social(ist) safety net collapses the government, and the grocery stores become empty.
>>29584499
Pinochet did nothing wrong. The NAP doesn't apply to commies.
Pic related is my political ideology
Source: http://www.abtirsi.com/quiz2.php
>>29584676
>shitty position
"It has long been taken for granted that the introduction of agriculture had been an unequivocal progress. This is now questioned in view of findings by archaeologists and paleopathologists showing that nutritional standards of Neolithic populations were generally inferior to that of hunter-gatherers, and that their life expectancy may well have been shorter too, in part due to diseases and harder work. Hunter-gatherers must have covered their food needs with about 20 hours work a week, while agriculture required much more and was at least as uncertain. The hunter-gatherers' diet was more varied and balanced than what agriculture later allowed. Average height went down from 5'10" (178 cm) for men and 5'6" (168 cm) for women to 5'5" (165 cm) and 5'1" (155 cm), respectively, and it took until the twentieth century for average human height to come back to the pre-Neolithic Revolution levels.[55] Agriculturalists had more anaemias and vitamin deficiencies, more spinal deformations and more dental pathologies.[56]"
From the neolithic revolution page in Wikipedia. Does this say anything to you?
To give "higher meaning" to your life is a waste of time, live and form your life as your own though, knowing that you will eventually die. Nothing will wait for you, so be free and happy instead of anguishing over spooks.
>>29584638
Go away you fucking communist faggot. That isn't what I meant by my post at all.
I think all political systems should be devoted to transcending the human condition. Not decaying squalor and rollling in its own filth
>>29584689
>>29584314
>edgy ancaps still don't understand how NAP works
CRAWLING.avi-tier political system, tbf.
>>29584719
Please be more intelligent than this. My terminology (ie spooks) shows that you're probably more communistic than me.
On the transhumanism note though; I guess I've always been somewhat of a idealist, a dreamer perhaps. For me, the biggest joy in life is to cycle, sit by the beach, write poetry and enjoy sex.
To decay and wrinkle yourself over politics is the true definition of becoming a decaying squalor and rolling in the filthiest of filth humanity has created.
AnCap is the dumbest ideology ever conceived. Natural rights my fucking ass.
AnCap: 4/10
Communism: 3/10
National socialism: 7/10
Anarcho-syndicalism: 8/10
Fascism: 7/10
Monarchy: 9/10
Aristocracy: 9/10
Anarchism: 5/10
Paleo-con: 6/10
Alt-right: 6/10
Anarchist naturalism: 7/10
Egoist anarchism: 8/10
National-anarchism: 7/10
Marxism: 2/10
Leninism: 2/10
Trotskyism: 3/10
Conservatism: 5/10
Neocon: 4/10
Traditionalism: 9/10
Liberalism: 1/10
Progressivism: 1/10
Libertarian: 3/10
Left-fascism: 7/10
Feminist-anarchism: 0/10
>>29583738
>libertarian marxism
ok m8 whatever you say
>>29584773
Lol whatever you say faggot
Meaningless sex for pleasure and being a bum wont help you find the transcendental meaning you stirner fuck
>>29584850
Also
Democratic socialism: worst/10
Systematic meritocracy.
>>29584698
You have great taste in politics my friend
>>29584864
Transcendental meaning or happiness.
Why transcend human nature if you get a substansial portion of the human population that hates their life? What use is all technology if we can't even uphold much of humans biological needs?
I'm all in for exploring the transcendency we can achieve, but first, let us tend or own garden.
>>29584466
what fucking purpose does society have for a useless sack of shit who literally does not work?
if you answered "none," then you seem to have at least the slightest amount of common sense!
Small government
Nothing wrong with owning a firearm
Women should either have a drivers licence or cell phone but not both
As a matter a fact, kill all women
Muslims are doing nothing wrong. They keep their women in check and understand the value of a virgin pussy.
If an illegal Mexican is stealing your job, then you are a worthless shit anyways and should kill yourself
If a woman can't consent because she's drunk, then neither can a man. Women who make these stupid rape accusations because they CHOSE to go to a party and CHOSE to get drunk should be jailed.
Consumerism makes people poor, not capitalism.
Spanish nationalism is above all ideologies.
>>29584850
the fuck is a feminist anarchism?
>>29584915
exactly which is why we need to expropriate the bourgeoisie
then maybe if industry becomes more automated nobody will need to work
>>29584908
For me they are the one and the same.
You cannot help people that do not want to be helped. Espcially when you are an inferior human. Humans are not designed to live the way we do post agricultural revolution. That is why we have poltical systems.
Thus to solve this issue we must to some extent transcend human capabilties in thought and ability. Which we have already have a long history of doing if you think about it for more than 5 minutes.
Mosleyite Corporatism
Anarcho-socialist
>>29584955
>Anarcha-feminism, also called anarchist feminism and anarcho-feminism, combines anarchism with feminism. It generally views patriarchy as a manifestation of involuntary coercive hierarchy, that should be replaced by decentralized free association. Anarcha-feminists believe that the struggle against patriarchy is an essential part of class conflict and the anarchist struggle against the state. In essence, the philosophy sees anarchist struggle as a necessary component of feminist struggle and vice versa. L. Susan Brown claims that, "as anarchism is a political philosophy that opposes all relationships of power, it is inherently feminist."[1]
>>29584967
>for you
And i stated my happiness in a previous post.
But why pursue happiness outwards, when it's a state of mind and living? We know that humans adapt quickly, so when will it end? Why chase a goal that will inevitibly lead to being more machine than man, defying our nature and meeting anxiety? To what end will immortiality and infinity lead? You see the oxymoron here.
I am not saying you're wrong, but i think there is a shortcut to human well being. But my way is not an ideology, as it can't be applied and used by everyone.
But for the privileged few, like myself, with neither the burden of money or shackles of debt, the way suits well.
Egoistical you may say, but still, everyone in the western world can do it. But most of us are afraid of spooks i guess.
The most beautiful thing, and scary for some, is the choice. Why throw away the small window of freedom of thought, infinite knowledge through the internet and the human spirit which might disappear soon enough?
Why crawl through life when we are born with wings?
Fuging spooks.
>>29585058
But your 'happniess' is shallow and hedonistic. Better to call it pleasure. It is a miguided usage of the parts of our biology designed to keep us replicating our information.
The only end for me is to find the transcendental meaning.
We are already machines. You are a machine looking for highs and lows. Where and when will you and your ilk stop? At the complete destruction of all social cohesion?
Really when you consider it we are nkt so different. I believe the neccessary social order will wither away once we have met the neccessaey prerequisites.
>>29585157
Shallowness and hedonism is just an opinion, and, in my opinion, a spook. Who says that your pursuit is nobler than my?
While it is true that human biology is a very systematic thing, i also hold the belief that the observer can't observe himself to the fullest extent and reality. We are as clueless of the whole universe, proportionally, as a stone. Why not live as a stone/human?
>>29585094
I laugh everytime. Thanks M. Stirner.
>>29584269
replace "monarchy" with benevolent autocratism because monarchy is super vague to the point of meaninglessness
>>29585198
Muh feel good vs. Transcendental meaning
Feels pretty objective to me
It is proven that human observors cannot do this. The while point of my ideology is to overcome this. To believe otherwise is to spit in the collective eye of over billions of years of evolution leading up to this point.
Depending depending on your beliefs we may be the only life in the universe. It is our imperative to spread it and make the universe self aware
>>29583110
>0 being slightly better than anarcho-capitalism
Not an argument
>>29585316
Good luck on your endevours my man. I hope you pave the way so someday, the me and the likes can ponder in your trails.
The thing is though, whilst turning every rock is in our nature, so is planning and wisdom. Not every box have pleasant content, and as we see, modernity has given us more anxiety.
In my view, what you're proposing is tapping leaks in a bag we fill with more and more liquid, thus more leaks if we dont tap it.
See you space cowboy
>>29584648
Low empathy is good enough. In fact for an An-Cap society we should find a way to measure empathy and cull anyone who isn't above average in empathy and altruism.
>>29585385
I know i'm just assigning an-cap a negative value. A priori facts don't need to be argued for.
National-syndicalism 10/10 prove me wrong.
Pro tip: you can't
>>29583110
People are children.
The government must act like a father to make a decent civilization.
Firm, but loving.
I'm for a totalitarian system where the leader is an ubermensch, the wisest man and the one who love his country the most.
Like a father, he won't mind slapping his people if they screw up too much, but will also give them rewards for acting decently.
It's kinda like the Leviathan from Thomas Hobbs
>>29585675
Do you know what a ubermensch is?
>>29583578
Ancaps are good-goys who need to be thrown in the ovens along with their puppet masters.
Ultra-Capitalism is cancer.
>>29584499
>Capitalism
Not even once.
Communism beat us in the space race at every step except landing on the moon, they even had a slightly higher than average standard of living then the west during the 1970's.
>>29585706
I know.
I just didn't knew how to formulate my idea of a leader.
>>29585764
>goys
no such word, newfaggot.
goyim is plural.
>>29583110
Libertarianism and all it's variants are Jewish subversion ideologies designed to erode the moral fabric of whatever society they inhabit.
>>29584928
>Consumerism makes people poor, not capitalism.
Damn son, you stupid.
Capitalism makes people poor and consumerism is just it's byproduct.
Anarchism.
All I'm going to say, down with hierarchies.
>>29585949
>down with hierarchies
>down with civilization
>>29585997
down with civilisation as it exists now
the seas will run yellow with lemonade!
>>29585997
Who says you need the state to be a good, productive person?
>>29585997
>implying civilisation did anything good for humans.
Civilisations made us breed more people and made us collectivly stronger, but The human is a sheeple and cog under civilisation.
Civilisation and society is god and God.
I used to be a hardcore ancap, then progressively moved on to hardcore right-authoritarianism.
Not long ago I realized that the true """redpill""" was that none of these idealistic systems are actually sustainable or truly interesting beyond theory, and that the best option we have is a republican, representative democracy.
I'm still on the right and authoritarian side of the political spectrum, but much closer to the center. Free markets are desirable to an extent; personal freedoms are desirable to an extent; the lack of welfare and social programs that produce worthless people is desirable *to an extent*. Same thing for nationalism, traditionalism, etc.
Extremism is just food for thought. A democratic system with mostly right-wing policies is the best option.
>>29586116
representative democracy=oligarchy
not like you see anything wrong with oligarchy anyway.
>>29586194
Direct democracy is retarded. To actually leave such power to the people would require the majority of the people to be rational and educated
>>29586206
and you're rational and educated?
>>29586206
okay, what about delegative democracy? like how the syndicalists do it? what do you reckon?
>>29586206
>Implying you aren't a member of the majority.
So you don't want power for yourself then? You'de rather have some slimy corporation or crazy dictator rule over you instead?
>>29586112
Society is the precursor to civilization.
most of the commies I know are basically brain-parasite carriers, while most of the libertarians and ancaps I know are cool dudes
what's the deal
>>29586218
>>29586248
No, you idiot. I'm no better than the masses, I'm a part of them. Just like you.
>>29586228
I don't like it, although it's marginally better than direct democracy, it's not centralized enough. Just my opinion.
>>29586257
you have an innate bias against people you disagree with
same as those to the left of you
>>29586257
Moderate libertarians are cool because they just want people to do their thing.
Ancaps are quite autistic, though.
>>29586257
Most libertarians I know are either Jews or dumb hicks who got conned by Jews.
Most commies I know are either weird, weak-willed faggots or genuinely awesome people with a lot of life experience.
From best to worst:
1. Classical Liberalism with Nationalism
2. Classical Liberalism without Nationalism
3. Conservatism
4. Fascism
POWER GAP
10. Anarcho-Anything
POWER GAP
100. Socialism
POWER GAP
1000. Communism
>>29584850
they all have places where they work best, its more a when and how often now better or worse
>>29586257
Your sample size is really small and means nothing. That's the deal.
>>29585816
its a portmanteau of both words newfaggot
reminder that what failed venezuela wasnt socialism, it was incompetency.
>>29586317
Wow, this is the best rating I've ever read! Wish I were you so I could say I wrote this, but sadly I'm not!
>>29586317
Communism and Socialism are infinitely better than Anarcho-anything.
>>29586338
KEK
originuu comentatituuuu
>>29586248
>You'de rather have some slimy corporation
This is literally what you get with direct democracy because people always vote for the stupidest shit.
>>29586317
power doesnt corrupt at all la la la fuck me in the ass mr trump
>>29586350
Anarcho-anything can work in small and homogeneous communities based on mutualism.
>>29586336
No goy it was obviously socialism. We need free markets to prosper.
>ignore western government meddling in venezualian affairs latin American affairs for a century to destabilize the region.
>>29586304
i haven't seen many genuinely awesome people
i have seen a lot of ex-goon sadistic personality disorder havers with weird eclectic philosophies that usually boil down to "kill anyone who makes me uncomfortable" and tryhard SWPLs who want to be Fellows at Foundations
the closest i've seen to decent people are like postmenopausal women with a lot of cats who read feminist science fiction, but even then, the niceness is more of a facade than anything
>>29586353
respresentative democracy: great at first but eventually leads to oligarchy
direct democracy: literally leads to mob rule and people voting for stupid shit.
>>29586353
>>29586402
Switzerland would like a talk with you both
Oh wait you're probably cucks who would get mad about the minaret ban because MUH MINORITIES
>>29586377
Do you seriously think that blowing all your nations coffers on "social programs" rather than industrialization is anything but incompetency?
>>29586372
So the kind of societies that are useless at advancement.
Modern societies and technology are the result of high population density.
You are pretty much describing pre-Columbian native American societies. Pretty advanced if you ask me.
Also how the fuck do you maintain homogenaity without borders and at the same time following the NAP
>>29586416
Switzerland only gets away with it because it's a piddly country made up entirely of middle class people propped up by its massive banking economy which helps to buffer any stupid decisions
>>29586416
Switzerland is an oligarchal democracy. The only reason it's stable is because it's a corporate haven and draws tons of money. Look at Qatar. Theocratic Monarchy. Stable and high standard of living.
Good luck implementing Swiss style society to a country the size of America
>>29586423
I'm not defending anarchism though dude, did you even read my post? Just saying that it is a lesser evil compared to socialism and communism, which inevitably leads to the collapse of a previously prosperous society, while with anarchism in a small community you barely have a society anyway.
>>29583110
0 - Capitalism
8- Classical socialism
9 - Socialism with small-group communism
10 - Anarcho-communism
>>29586418
>implying industrialization aren't just social programs
Social programs work pretty well when implemented correctly
The problem is that the way we implement them now is, "let's just give poor people money and hope it works".
>>29586440
>Good luck implementing Swiss style society to a country the size of America
I don't think you know anything about Switzerland or America. Both have very strong federalism, and that's why direct democracy works in the former and would work in the latter. Why can't states decide on laws through direct democracy instead of a state legislature?
the thing is, everything is already ancap, it's all just whether you choose to acknowledge it
>>29586462
the latter is what i was referring to
sorry for not being more specific
>being an ancap
Unless you already have a large amount of wealth or land why would you want this?
>>29586469
Switzerland voted against nuclear power because they're total retards, so that says it all.
>>29586499
>if I don't agree with it that means it's retarded
>>29586522
>voting against one of the cheapest and most pollution free forms of power
Yes that is pretty retarded
>>29583110
I'm jaded by the internet in general. Does anyone else get this way? I've seen so many pseudo "issues" online that I start to wonder what's real and what's not.
I'm at the point of where I want to just quit the internet in general and try and forget how retarded humanity is.
>>29586469
Direct democracy doesn't work on a large scale and with differing opinions. I also assume you would probably change your tone when large majority minority cities are able to win out over the white minorities and fuck them over.
>>29586477
Because you enjoy larping Book of Eli or you are actually retarded and have been brainwashed by the jews.
>>29586575
The internet is true degeneracy. It is not just porn or social media. It is the internet is a whole. That is the one red-pill many here will not swallow. It's not blacks or muslims that will destroy the west. It is our own degeneracy multiplied through the World Wide Jew.
>>29584881
as do you
>>29585799
People killed under a capitalism =\= killed by capitalism.
You can't be killed by our natural ability to exchange goods. You can, however, be killed by shitty price fixing policy that causes artificial shortages.
>>29587683
>under a capitalism
Meant to say "under a capitalist system". Kek
>>29587683
I'm pretty sure shitty working conditions due to lack of regulation can kill you. Let's just go ask some dead Bangladeshi garment workers.
>>29587736
The market will correct for their deaths assuming their lives had value.
>>29588162
Can Jews have aspergers?
