Why do you guys even think so selfishly about "settling down" with a nice girl and starting a family? What the fuck do you think YOUR parents did that allowed you to become the depressive invalid you are today? And you seriously want to impose the condition of life on more people? Reproduction is about the most iniuitous act anyone can commit, at least in the abstract. Afterall what person who was ever beaten, tortured, maimed, raped, infirmed by disease, or even inconvenienced was not first born to experience what life has on offer? I would think you guys, having all your needs accounted for and still experiencing an unbearable emptiness and endless appetites would understand how bad life is. Fuck your reproductive rights, you stupid ape.
>>29578786
>tfw mommy's taking me to see a psychologist because I expressed similar sentiments and told her I wasn't having kids
>>29579129
yes, Life-Cult demands nothing short of a procrustean coformity to its ideals.
>>29578786
You have a point there, OP. But nobody here was going to breed anyway. Except for the disgusting normie invaders, but they'll be gone by summer's end.
>>29578786
I never asked to exist
So fuck you
I'm forever bound to suffer with all the other suffering masses
>>29580525
Embrace your fate and enjoy the bitter, depressing life you're going to have unless you kill yourself. Maybe you'll find some reverie in the idea that life is a meaningless absurdity.
>>29578786
Life can be just as beautiful as it can be horrible.
>>29579129
psychologist will have to accept it. it's a legit philosophical position, not a mental illness
>>29581409
no
it can't
there is nothing as beautiful as having to choose which of your family members will live and which will die (for instance) is horrible
there is nothing in this world as pleasurable as say being boiled alive in lead is horrible
or the rat room in 1984
betraying all your ideals and everyone you love for escape from the physical horror of being eaten alive
there is nothing ever conceived with a tenth as much beauty as that thought has horror
First off, 99% of people's lives are good because they are mentally healthy and can handle life without crumpling down into a sad heap everytime something like their cat dies.
Life isn't horrible, you're just a bit of a pussy.
Second, even the worst depressives still feel the overwhelming compulsion to reproduce. Not feeling the need to reproduce is caused by pornography addiction. I guarantee you that any given man or woman who says they just don't feel the need to have kids is also a pornography addict. This should be proof enough that not wanting kids is a mental abnormality.
>>29581409
So you equate moments when the brain floods itself with endorphins and dopamine to the torrid and excruciating process of the disintigration of your very being? That's retarded anon.
>>29581853
see
>>29581937
Also subverting the drive to reproduce is called having higher principles anon, you microcephaly shitter
>>29581983
Higher principles? Why are you trying to find some deeper meaning in life than there is?
As if not fulfilling your biological imperative is somehow noble in someones eyes.
You're a contradiction. Go see a shrink to help you stop jerking it every night and maybe you wouldn't be a bitter fuck
>>29582064
stop trying to oscure the goal posts. I didn't even make this thread for you idiots. I am talking about the actual robots who feel their lives are shit. I am saying if you feel like your life is shit, why would you force a new life onto someone else?
as a delusional life-cultist I don't expect you to understand that position because you think your life is equitable.
>>29582064
>muh biological imperative
So you follow your instincts, like an animal? You can't use your brain to reason?Leave, roast beef.
>>29582139
>if you feel like your life is shit, why would you force a new life onto someone else?
Because "life being shit" is just an illusion. Life isn't shit. Life isn't great. Life is life. Don't get poetic about it.
And just because my mentality isn't fucked up by years of pornography, mass media, and whatever is in the water supply, that doesn't mean I'm a "life-cultist". It just means I'm not a huge fucking degenerate
>delusional optimists
Disgusting
>>29582064
I am not a porn addict either. I have no idea where you get that idea. In fact if I am horny I don't even jerk it now because that is how inutile my sexuality is to me. I deign to even acknowledge it. Most of the bad shit that happens in this world is induced by libidinous energies that people can't keep in check due to their naturalistic rationalizations for one behaviour or another. Before it was "well that's just how it is" and now its "I'm an animal brah, I gotsa BIOLOGICAL IMPERATIVE". If you inform your system of ethics after-the-fact of observing your appetitive preoccupations then you may just as well not have any. I for one will aim for something a bit more sophisticated.
>>29582064
>"all of the famous existentialist philosophers just 'jerked' it too much, guys"
>"muh biological imperative that I'm too weak-willed to override"
Wow, how retarded are you?
>>29582243
You are blindly being led around by outside forces too friendo
The only reason you don't want kids is because your brain is fucked up by outside forces.
You seem to be ascribing way more power to "free will" than there is.
You're still a slave, no matter how reasonable you think you are
>>29578786
come from a long line of breeders op, besides, I want to leave something on this world something mine and herswhoever she might be
>>29581510
>it's a legit philosophical position, not a mental illness
have you ever researched how this shit is diagnosed?
Everything can be classified as a mental illness under the right conditions, no matter how legit
>>29582253
fine, life isn't shit. Life is a thermodynamic balance of diminishing returns. Its not a free energy machine.
>>29582253
Either youre not being honest or you've had an extremely easy life and if so, you have no authority to lecture people who havent been sheltered from the horrors of life on anything. Furthermore, drop the fucking poor attempt at character assassination. For most people, life is shit. Most of us don't feel the need to impose that shit on someone else and the struggles and hardships and pointlessness of it all is something we wish wasn't imposed on us. Sorry we're not idiots that let our brain stems dictate our lives like you do.
>>29582363
I may not have free will but I was certainly exposed to better information and better able to assimilate that important information than yourself. Are you seriously implying that people cannot choose celibacy?
>>29582395
then actually do something worthwhile. Make a gorgeous painting, find a new musical language, anything to make this grinder more bearable than another superfluous bundle of debt.
>>29582354
>Most of the bad shit that happens in this world is induced by libidinous energies that people can't keep in check
Facinating.
My theory is that most of the bad shit that happens in this world is caused by people thinking they are smarter than they actually are.
You are not noble for shunning family life. Humans are naturally monogamous, so something is wrong with the wiring up there.
> I for one will aim for something a bit more sophisticated.
Haha. Sure, m80-0. I expect to hear great things from you some day. No doubt.
>>29582355
>"all of the famous existentialist philosophers just 'jerked' it too much, guys"
Weird how all these famous existentialist philosophers had turbulent upbringings and unconventional home lives, but talk as if they represent humanity.
But that's just the pretentious nature of modern day philosophy. Being a humanities subject, the academics can control who is right and who is wrong.
>"muh biological imperative that I'm too weak-willed to override"
This may be presumptuous, but it seems like you can't get a girlfriend, and out of frustration, convinced yourself it was a choice, and you are showing great will and superior morals by shunning relationships.
Whatever makes you happy
>>29582450
who are them kids?
>>29582363
The fact that free will doesn't exist is likely the very reason my will has steered me in the direction of anti-natalism. Besides, if you think we're all slaves, why bring more souls into this slavery? It boils my brain that you acknowledge that there's no freewill and that life is really just pointless but still choose to have children? It's like when 3rd worlders decide to have children knowing their kids will starve.
If you're worried about retirement or some fake as shit God or you want to show off to your friends, or whatever, just fucking adopt. There are plenty of children you can adopt who would be better off with a retard like you instead of nothing.
>>29582513
You went and projected the very delusions of grandeur that allow you to fragrantly abuse consciousness and shit out miniature yous onto me. This is wrong. I recognize I am not important. You aren't going to hear about me because I am just repeating firmly established ideas articulated better by the likes of Schopenhauer and Cioran. I am a superfluity. Recognizing the fact is a big first step to understanding your genetic legacy is worth a packet of potato meal.
>>29582355
To be fair "the existentialists" are all toxic goal-shifters. None of them advocate suicide (at least not s strongly as Schopenhauer) and come to some pretty preposterous conclusions as to what the teleological basis of human life is. Whether its the bullying of nietzsche, the apologetics of Camus and Sartre or the flat-out obscurantism of Heidegger.
>>29582253
i can't even figure out what your point is. you go from saying life is just what it is, which is a fair point, to rambling on about porn and tainted water. you should have just stopped with your first line.
>>29582450
> you've had an extremely easy life and if so, you have no authority to lecture people
>"the more of an oppressed, special snowflake you are, the more moral authority you have over others"
Whoops, your millenial is showing.
Cram that dumb privilege talk. If anything, you're sheltered. People from shit, third world countries end up being more mentally healthy than people from rich western countries who think life is terrible because the worst thing that happened to them was their dog being run over.
>>29582545
>The fact that free will doesn't exist is likely the very reason my will has steered me in the direction of anti-natalism.
Yeah. that's the point I'm trying to get across. Pornography, hollywood, and our hedonistic society has steered you in that direction.
All I'm saying is, you may think you're right, but you are just fucked in the head.
If life is pointless, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Don't tell me you are just a poor, inferior animal who only keeps living because their silly primitive brain stem tells them to keep going.
>>29582515
Well, they're adults now. It's from a BBC documentary that followed a group of kids from age seven until now checking up on them every seven years. It really opened my eyes up to a lot of things besides anti-natalism--like class inequality and how shit a system contemporary capitalism is.
But I think it best illustrates why life is shit since poor and rich alike, smart and dull, everyones life in this documentary is sad and looks unhappy.
Here's Neil, I really sympathize with him:
https://youtu.be/gBS3_G7NhHg
You can pirate the rest of the participants lives and the other films.
>>29582683
My point is that people who don't want children are fucked in the head and should be avoided.
Just a little tip for life, if any woman says that she doesn't want kids, get the fuck out of there.
>>29582684
>if life is pointless, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Not the guy you are responding to, but I can answer that. Knowing that life is shit, and having the courage to do it are two different things. Life is pretty shit, but the bodies survival instinct is much stronger than you give credit for. If I didn't fear death, I would have killed myself by now. And, I wouldn't have the fear of death or be born into this shitty reality if my parents didn't breed. So the OP has a point
>>29582727
i don't want kids because i know i'm fucked in the head.
in any case, tap water drinking, media obsessed porn watchers are a good chunk of the population (most of whom have children), so i think you need to work on your generalizations a bit.
>>29582513
>"you jus' can't get a gf. Lol. Get sex m8!"
>implying this position isn't one I've mulled over for years
>implying I'm the one making rationalizations for myself and not you, muh biological impera-tard
You don't think much, do you? You're just happy being another cog in the machine, aren't you?
>>29582513
>Humans are naturally monogamous
no they're not
they are a semi-tournament species
>Weird how all these famous existentialist philosophers had turbulent upbringings and unconventional home lives, but talk as if they represent humanity
nice ad hominem, try to attack their arguments next time
>>29582684
>"HURR DURR EXPERIENCE IS MEANINGLESS MILLENIAL"
>"I was privileged enough to be born into a wealthy family and have gotten everything I've ever wanted handed to me. Life is sweet. If you don't think so, you're jus' bein' a virgin millennial LOL da' reptilians dun' it"
>>29582826
Pornography wasn't so widespread as it was 10 years ago. We are getting more porn addicts, the prevalence monogamous relationships are starting to wane, more and more people don't want kids anymore.
There is a correlation between the rising availability of pornography and the decrease in birthrates. And that worries me.
>>29582831
Ah yes. Doesn't it seem like everyone around you is a shallow thoughtless, zombie, going through life without having a deep thought? Doesn't it seem like you are the only one who sees life more clearly, who meditates on the deepness of the world while you are isolated from the mindless animals around you?
You know who else feels that way? pretty much everyone in your generation.
You're not special. You're a cartoon. Stop thinking you are deep.
>>29582684
I think people in first world countries are the ones really entitled to ask the timeless question "where is the beef?". Sure the third world guy is actually in want of beef but that is just the point. The beef is right here in front of us and we're still fucking sad. Meanwhile the third world guy can imagine his strife as deriving from a real and tangible paucity of beef. If life was that great, depression (random sadness borne out of nothing) would not be endemic and life would not consist of constantly prying wounds open so we can convalesce again. When you reach this standard of living you gain the authority to make declaritive statements about life.
>>29582727
I wont have to get the fuck out of anywhere because I wont initiate anything with her to begin with. I have slave morality afterall
>>29582937
Be that as it may, I'm not having children. It's a fucked up think to do, there's nothing wrong with non-existentence and I welcome everyone in my generation with half a brain to follow suit. Fucks like you can have this shit world.
>>29582966
Honestly if you're worth less than $1mil you're not even a human being by 2016 standards.
>>29582704
he's a cutie at 21
>>29582937
there are a dozen things i would blame for that before i'd get to porn. i don't care about it one way or the other; i'm not offering a defense for porn so much as i'm saying it's more of a symptom than a cause.
are you concerned about a falling birthrate in general or among specific populations?
>>29583151
He's probably some retarded /pol/fuck that thinks there's some prize for being the last race left on Earth. Fucking idiot.
>>29583124
I have 3 square meals (of my choosing) a day, internet, books, hobbies. I live a privileged existence. If anyone ca speak authoritatively on the quality of life its someone with these conditions
>>29583192
>some prize for being the last race left on Earth
i literally lol'd. thanks.
>>29582704
Dude's getting free money and all kinds of free shit from the state and people around him, so what the fuck is he complaining about? His problem if he's too crazy or stupid to create a good life with it.
>>29583194
So did a slave in pretty much every slave owning society, what's your point.
>>29583301
except the glaring difference that they're not enslaved and have the freedom to pursue their interests. don't be so purposefully dense, it's annoying.
>>29583301
slaves had internet and Filet Mignon? I was not aware of this alternative history
>>29583294
so why should we want to impose craziness and stupidity on people? He wouldn't be very crazy and/or stupid if he didn't exist.
>>29583315
>that they're not enslaved and have the freedom to pursue their interests
Unless they have a shitload of money, not really.
>>29583418
do you know what slavery generally entailed? i guess i was being generous before as i'm starting to think you're actually stupid. if the average person in the western world without a 'shitload of money' can be compared to actual slaves in your mind, we're either communicating across a dimensional divide or you are delusional.
if your boss can castrate you, whip you, prevent you from getting an education, withhold food from you or kill you as he pleases, i suggest moving companies.
>>29583547
>>do you know what slavery generally entailed?
Yeah, a free roof over your head, a 2-8 hour work day, free health care and free food. You also earned money that you could spend or save to free yourself and/or your existent or future family.
It was about a hundred times better than the lives of "free" people in for example mining towns, or the lives of "free" Chinese working on the railroad.
>prevent you from getting an education
Do I really have to post examples of highly educated slaves that were even employed as teachers to their master's children or their masters themselves?
>withold food from you or kill you
Why would anyone do that, when slave is an investment and essentially capital for production of further wealth? Would you just go into your bakery and trash the ovens? Sure, if you were crazy. Then again, crazy people do that kind of shit no matter what.
>castrate you, whip you
It's much better when the government does it, right?
>moving companies
Oh guess what, can't do that unless you have a shitload of money. Do you know the percentage of working poor who are permanently fucked as soon as they lose the job they're getting mistreated on? Do you think this is normal, humane treatment?
>>29583652
why don't you become a slave if it's better than your current station? :^)
>>29583712
Because the modern world doesn't work like that anymore? If it was the 17th century, I could sell myself as an indentured servant and work for a few years on a farm in return for a ship ticket and free US citizenship, and then build my future on my own. That doesn't exist as an option anymore.
Do you know why this whole thing collapsed btw? Because too many people considered it a great deal and the system was overrun, driving the normal labor costs down and fucking up the economy.
>>29583819
Indentured servitude != slavery
Indentured servitude is a voluntary contract in exchange for payment. Neither of those things are present in slavery.
>>29583850
>Neither of those things are present in slavery.
Payment is present, and a contract is present too. You could sell yourself as a literal slave voluntarily too. In fact, quite a few African slaves did just that, to their original Arab owners, and the rest became slaves by not paying taxes.
Hmm... I wonder what becomes of someone who doesn't pay taxes in 2016?
>>29583908
Taxes are a fee for experiencing benefits of living in a society such as roads and police protection. If you don't want those things, leave the society.
>>29583908
Proof that you could sell yourself to Arab slavers? You're right about the taxes thing though. In Islam, turning men into slaves is only permissable if they have been captured in conquest or if they fail to pay off a debt. Arab owned slaves were also treated much better than American owned slaves.
>>29583936
That's exactly what the Arabs told the Bantus.
>>29584183
In my country, the only ones the Ottomans really took as slaves were the Janissaries, which were basically a regular army where despite being a "slave" you could become a general, a ruler of a specific land, or hold political office, one was even a famous grand vizier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokollu_Mehmed_Pasha
>>29583936
>Hard bodily labor is a fee for experiencing benefits of living in a nice cabin and getting to eat every day. Now go back to work, nigger.
>>29581853
>everytime something like their cat dies.
Fuck you nigger, don't even joke about that.
My cats are my world and everything I do is for them
Ontariobots should just get a vasectomy.
It's completely covered by ohip and you can take a few days off school/work cus it's a legit medical procedure
>>29584976
yeah, this is kind of why the cultists have no argument. You can choose what to live for in Sartrean fashion but if you make your "cause" known they cant help but laugh at the absurdity of it. "No anon, we didn't mean THAT, we meant something NORMAL"
Just shut up and admit life is a kludge already, ya turkeys
>>29584588
Slaves can't leave the plantation. Literally no one will stop you from leaving your country, assuming you don't live in a communist country.
>>29579459
>but they'll be gone by summer's end.
only 40% of them, tops
hopefully including you, if you think the coast was clear right up until summer
>>29585045
gravity will stop you from getting anywhere but other plantations
>>29581853
>First off, 99% of people's lives are good
Implying 99% of the people live in priviledged 1st world countries like you do. The majority of people are born to become starving niggers or chinese slaves.
>Not feeling the need to reproduce is caused by pornography addiction
kek
