Do you believe that is such thing as natural skill?
If so what should be the motivation in life of someone who lacks natural skill.
Whats the point on puting x hours on something if other person with more skill will have a much better result.
I asked this shit myself and no one has any kind of answer
There isn't any point. People would have you believe that 10000 hours of practice will let you master that skill but the truth is that you'll always be behind naturally talented people.
We lose, you and I, so sad too bad
shoulda been born with natural talent ya little shit
I believe in most things natural skills will always trump hard work.
Hell I've known guys who did this even in counter strike. Reaction time and hand to eye coordination is a bitch.
As for the reason. There is pretty much none. Unless you get born extremely talented, hard work is a scam.
>>29569759
People with "natural" skill, as you put it, are not any more special than you
It is simply that their ancestors, indeed, their past lives, devoted their time to training and practicing,
your ancestors, on the other hand, may have been too busy performing forced labor for no pay or devoting all your time to casting spells to ward off nightmares that plagued your children like a terrible sickness
You know? Life is easy when you had 400 years of soft colorful tapestries and sweet, perfumed food leading up to today
>>29569759
>Do you believe that is such thing as natural skill?
Yes, people can be predisposed to being better or worse at certain things
>Whats the point on puting x hours on something if other person with more skill will have a much better result.
Because I don't view my life satisfaction as a competition, with a trophy only given to the number one spot. There will always be people better than you at something.
>>29569862
I don't think that's how hereditary traits work anon
>>29569822
Had a friend who aimed so well that I had to practice to keep up with his level, at the end he was having fun a learning the game while playing and I had to practice believing I was gonna be able to have fun
>>29569759
Yes there is natural skill but only to the extent that people are more predisposed to being skillful at something due to their birth circumstances.
Otherwise no, everything can be learned. But it will take exponentially longer the older you are when you start that skill.
E.g., children of football (soccer) players are good a football because they get introduced to it from an early age and get personal help from their father.
Meanwhile it can take some adults several years to grasp a second language.
Mastering a skill = 10,000 hours of practise.
And your motivation is - if you want to be skillful in it, then put in 10,000 hours.
Good luck anon xx
>>29569759
Most people learn this the hard way. Some people spend tons of time practising something yet improve very little while others surpass them with much less effort. It's like the difference between women and men. The top women will be no where near as good as the top men in most things (examples: sports, gaming). There is just something hereditary that makes one person better than another
>>29569890
You're right it's probably just R A N D O M
The good do prosper because of blind luck
and the wicked do suffer because of pure chance
>>29569882
But is it worth it if you suffer jus to be able to do things that are so simple to others?
>>29569940
You mean like killing animals or ignoring the sound of a baby crying?
>>29569759
Think of all the awful things you could be doing, alone in your mom's basement without a care in the world. I've been addicted to weed. I've been addicted to pornography. I've jerked off until the head of my dick was permanently scarred. Idle speculation and bullshitting has left me infected with a plethora of existential crises, many of which double as mental illness.
I've had it with being lazy. I've seen the statistics. I've seen what a sedentary indoor lifestyle with no ambitions does to human physiology, what it's done to me, and I want no part in that.
I'm starting to take more of a, "drop the kids off at the rec center because otherwise they'll be selling crack on street corners," mentality with my id. I'm done being obsessed with identity bullshit. We're all going to die and be forgotten eventually, and ruminating on it, freaking out, isn't going to do a damn thing for you.
>>29569976
and yet here you are making useless posts on r9k
>>29569759
There is talent and there is skill. Talent is acquired without practice and is rare. Skill is acquired with practice and is accessible to everyone.
>>29569940
>But is it worth it if you suffer just to be able to do things that are so simple to others?
Yes, I don't view my happiness or fulfillment in life as prizes from a dick measuring contest against others. You could just as easily take this comparative view at life to shut down any opportunity to be human. People have it better than you, so you can't be happy with what you have. People have it worse than you, so I guess you can't be sad either. That self-defeating outlooking is ultimately a choice you make, not a law of reality.
>>29569862
400 years in the grand scheme of genetics isn't such a big deal. Darwins theory of diversity of growth stated that mutations that could produce adaptations can also produce deformity. This holds true with certain genes correlated with intelligence, that also correlate with mental illness and seizures, who may very people being targeted for eugenics programs.
People also forget environmental factors. Eat too much sugar and you end up fat, play too much videogames and you'll end up with your dopamine circuits blown out, never challenge yourself or learn and your brain ages faster. You can be irreversibly fucked for a million other reasons than your parents alone.
>>29569814
So what you're saying is is that Jimi Hendrix was born a great guitar player and could play with the way he did from birth?
>>29570016
So you mean like the guy above tha said to put 10000 hours?,
Ok lets say I did it and I improve BUT im still pretty bad at performing said task
>>29569759
I'm a firm believer that anyone can master any skill with enough practice, and people who appear to have "natural talent" just started practicing at a young age.
This also goes for socializing btw, it's a skill you can learn if you practice at it.
>>29570012
Well, I think I'm going to break my dick if I keep masturbating.
>>29570139
my theory is that Hendrix was an actual Loa, like from voodoo
>>29570139
No he is saying that if someone completely untalented put in shitload of time he would be much worse compared to Jimi Hendrix who put in the same amount of time.
>>29570117
who may very well have been people being targetted**
>>29570117
400 years of drinking dog blood and going outside only when absolutely necessary is going to have an effect on someone
What you think people just did nothing for the last 400 years? No, you big dummy, people have been suffering and fighting nonstop. Things change. Darwin was a charlatan who lived on tropical islands and assumed the rules which applied to two-inch birds living in paradise also apply to every thing which has ever lived anywhere or done anything for any reason for any amount of time, unless they died
Shame on you for just repeating what you heard
I take a lot of time to write these posts, and you just take one glance and say NOPE IT SAYS HERE IN THIS BOOK YOURE WRONG
How do you ever expect to learn anything with that attitude?.
>>29569940
If anything that makes it more worth it, at that point you're the underdog. What's more impressive, an athletic guy who's been fit all his running a marathon, or a fat guy who climbed an uphill battle to transform his body and his entire life to achieve the same goal?
That shit's just manly, that's how you get all the staceys.
>>29569759
I believe in natural capacity, rather than natural skill.
You still have to learn, but it's your capability to learn that's important.
>>29569759
No. You have to work towards every skill.
>>29570145
you're looking at it the wrong way. 10,000 hours is a good bench mark, but if you spend 10,000 hours ONLY doing half-step scales at a moderate tempo, and rocking the fuck out to mary had a little lamb, you're not going to be considered a serious musician in any professional circle
>>29570237
and in the end, isn't that what really matters?
>>29569788
The answer is you have a chance at a less shitty life. Without trying there is no chance. It's up to you to judge if that chance is worth your efforts.
>>29570207
It doesn't take a genius to work out that genetics don't work in the way you seem to think they do.
Fuck off with your internet conspiracy shit, coming off with a high and mighty attitude for having never learned something and making assumptions from pure guesswork and fiction.
>>29570207
>broscience on /r9k/
kekalek, another armchair geneticist.
OP Here , thanks for your answers let me add another question, is the effort its own reward? should I keep trying to learn that wich I admire even if I've been told that I will not be good at it?.
>>29570307
My genetics work exactly the way I think they do
and it occurs to me as quite odd that you can say with confidence that my genetics do NOT work some such way, while you, yourself, know NOTHING about your own genetics
Frankly, you sound a bit crazy, which, perhaps, is why you have problems with your physical body; because nothing you do makes any fuckin sense
pic related: It's you and your superior genetics
>>29570385
do what you can. and will be able to do in the future.
>>29569759
I do, but not really natural skill. More an ability to grasp things and internalise them, and having decent mind-muscle co-ordination.
Pretty much everything I do, I'm damn good at. My family and friends get jealous. Sports, games, hobbies, work, study etc.
>>29570271
Only if it bothers you so much if nameless future people will remember you or not. This state of mind is a choice.
>>29570385
Well if the judgement of your piers is so important to you that you're willing to give up your interests, hobbies, and other such things that make you happy, just so they no longer disapprove of your performance, well, then, they must be some great friends,
and if you've found great friends, then you don't really have anything to worry about
You have the whole future open to you, all of eternity waiting for you to do your great feats, whatever they may be
>>29570385
Stop seeing everything as reward this reward that. It drives up your anxiety, which ruins it for you in the end. Yes effort is its own reward but you should not be motivated by the idea of being rewarded. You are chasing the wrong dragon in life.
>>29570393
As a matter of fact, I'm a medfag, and have no less than 4 good buddies working in genetics labs, one of them is a manager for several R&D projects, working on genetic factors that make people immune to HIV.
I know I'm talking with a ranting madman, but I just thought maybe somebody not pandering to your fantasy would convince you to take your meds.
This is why you guys are never happy. You jump straight to the negativity. You all have some childish mentality where you only want to do something "If I'm the best" and the minute you find out you're not you just give up and cry. You then come here and post "why do I do this?" and try to get someone to post something that might snap you out of that rut but all you ever do is continously spiral further into your own self pity and refuse to except that in life there is always someone better, faster, taller, better looking, or has something on you in some way.
The fuck kind of grown ass man is suck endlessly in a 12 year olds mindset without ever realizing this shit? Grow a pair or grow the fuck up, just do something rather than bitch and complain on the internet as if it will somehow do something about your problems.fucking dumbasses
Anyone who has grown up playing sports has seen first hand some guys are just born with it and some guys aren't. Hard work can beat talent but hard work + talent is undefeated in every sport. Its genetics.
>>29570479
Am I fucked if I get PTSD triggered from seeing this image
>>29570526
Typical normie. When normie is trying to push a person into doing something, he shames instead of using arguments.
So funny.
>>29570541
>PTSD
Stop using words as memes.
>>29570526
You are technically correct but very few people are rational in real situations.
>>29570508
>working on genetic factors that make people immune to HIV.
Oh wow that's some heavy stuff
Your uni buddy must be a real einstein huh
>>29570117
What's up with the dopamine receptors blown out?
Sauce or did you pull it out of your ass?
>>29569759
A person with a god given gift/talent for something, with enough practice, will be able to beat anybody who has put in the same amount of practice but has no gift. When the person with the gift competes with others who have gifts, luck will determine the results.
>>29569759
>Be me
>Be born into a family filled with geniuses and extremely talented artists and musicians.
>My mother has an IQ of 135 and my father has an IQ of around 140.
>My mother was so talented at art she could replicate extremely detailed scientific sketches at 16.
>She was hand selected on the spot by a world famous composer to be tutored in the use of a Harpsichord.
>She and my father have always had it easy because of their natural talents.
>Me and my sister are born.
>We have only slightly above average IQs (112 and 116 respectively) and about 2-3 learning disabilities/mental illnesses each.
>We have no musical talents.
>We like to draw and take it very seriously.
>Both of us suck at drawing but our mother keeps telling us we will succeed if we practice (obviously because of her experiences with being naturally talented at art).
>Every time we grow sick and tired of sucking at something we've done for thousands our mother always encourages us on, completely oblivious to our complete lack of talent. I believe her because I was a kid and I thought she was an expert in the subject.
>Keep drawing until my late teens when I see people in high-school who have never practiced as much as me excel ahead of me with just a few art classes and quit drawing in a fit of rage.
>Tear up all my drawings and vow to never draw again.
>Mother says I shouldn't give up and I just need more practice.
>MFW this stupid bitch doesn't get how lucky she was in life to win the genetic lottery and have a natural talent for succeeding at things with little effort.
>MFW I have no future, and no means to achieve anything but a dead-end minimum wage job because I'm so useless.
>MFW I live in a city filled with smart ass Ivy League students and trust fund yuppies who live fulfilling, happy, rich lies while I am hopelessly stuck in poverty and misery for the rest of my life.
>MFW the only emotions I feel are hatred and envy towards everyone and everything.
Inb4 edgy.
>>29570678
>MFW the only emotions I feel are hatred and envy towards everyone and everything.
Maybe that's why you're a failure
>>29570614
She's graduated, and my brothers fiancee
>>29570526
>Some one is born with a sever mental and or physical deficiency in a society where talent and intelligence means everything and being a social butterfly is the only way to move ahead of everyone else.
>Blame them for their own problems when and call them childish when they stop trying to run a race which they cannot win.
I have gotten my hopes up time and time again, and every single time a bleak, cruel, and unfair reality has brought them crashing down with the fact that I am incompetent and not built for success. Robots are pessimistic for a reason, and trust me when I say this, self-righteous faggots like you do not know what is best for us or what circumstances we exist under. You have some talent, ability, or success, hence why you are not one of us.
If you cant even respect or empathize with us on the most basic level, then fuck off back to facebook. You are not accomplishing anything here.
>>29570786
Doubt it.
It sounds like he driving himself there though.
>>29569759
Yes, talent exists.
>what should be the motivation in life of someone who lacks natural skill.
>Whats the point on puting x hours on something
Have fun and try to be happy in life.
I'm trash at tennis and I'll never be able to make a career out of it, but I'm still gonna continue spending hours upon hours of my life playing and watching tennis, because I fucking love it.
Pic related, recommended viewing:
>Ping Pong The Animation
>>29570786
or maybe that's the result of being a failure.
>>29570207
>>29570207
>I delicately hand craft each post with a loving touch
>i'm so goddamn smart
smug asshole.
i don't just repeat what i've heard. i believe it.
everyone isn't a barbarian or a reaver. there are hunters, craftsmen, people who traverse wide expanses of land to gather food, knowledge of herbs and patterns of migration but every time someone starts talking about a return to tribal roots they go straight for conan the fucking barbarian. that's not the only thing that's been lost here. life isn't all suffering and fighting, it won't do you a damn thing if you're trying to master a skill. that takes patience, hard work, being in the right environment.
the whole point of my post was that the human genome, the chromosomes being passed down through the generations, don't simply vanish. random mutations are introduced. things get fucky. on the other hand, animals are built to survive in different circumstances. indolence and the inability to adapt, to be appealing enough to find a mate, is a threat to the individuals survival just like anything else.
i don't know what i'm talking about. but i don't think you do either, and i'd rather have a set of ideas that mean i can break out of the shit i'm in through being intelligent and strong.
>>29570630
I got it from the episode of south park with the Canadian Devil.
>>29570584
>but very few people are rational in real situations
Fucking what? I'm pretty sure MOST people are rational in real situation because not everyone is dropping spaghetti left and right. Just because you take this entire board as your sample community doesn't necessarily reflect that this board is how all of society is based. because if that were true there would be no girls, only hairy crossdressers.
>>29569759
Yes, some race have evolved to run faster while some race have evolved to be smarter.
>>29570858
If you see success as the only possible way to live, no wonder you are more miserable than average. You fell for the jealousy sin-meme.
>>29570897
Nah I promise you, very few people are rational in every aspect of their private life. Maybe they hold the mask in professional settings, but definitely not in private. Choosing to eat junk instead of correctly, despite adequate knowledge, as a simple example.
>>29570943
I wonder if black sperms are faster than white sperms. Any other intellectuals here who can enlighten me? Empirical data?
>>29570967
>If you see success as the only possible way to live, no wonder you are more miserable than average.
What is survival of the fittest/natural selection?
How's it feel to be retarded?
>>29570426
Me too.
Who else
/natural talent/ here?
I've recently starting teaching myself wrenching cars, drifting and precision driving. Why do people find these things hard?
>>29571130
If you are a slave to biology, you will also be miserable. It's a kind of evolutionary success.
>>29571160
I'm scared of growing old... nobody cares about an eccentric old guy who is good at everything.
>>29570678
>Not good at something in my teens
>Give up
Wow, great job faggot.
>>29571221
I can confirm from my social science class that affirmative action will allow the black sperm to penetrate the white ovum.
>>29571163
>It's a kind of evolutionary success.
No it's not, being able to endure pain and misery is one of the things that allows an organism to survive hard times and prevail in the face of adversity.
You have it backwards.
You are soft and stupid.
>>29571234
If you are good at everything you don't need to fear old age.
>>29571273
So if you give up trying because there is too much pain and adversity, then you deserve to be a failure and miserable? Are you undermining your own point here?
>>29571273
>one of
>therefore, the only
organisms that spent all their time and effort enduring pain and misery in an ecosystem that demanded speed, acumen and ambush tactics starved. suffering somewhat less.
also i'm pretty sure that your post in no way contradicted his statement.
don't worry, i have faith that you stupidity can be somewhat remedied with hard work.
>>29569759
Yes natural skill exists. Some people have it, some don't. Those who have it can have it in many things or in just one thing. Those who have it also have it in differing amounts.
Someone lacking natural skill can often compete to the same level as those with natural skill.
In some cases people with natural skill are outshone by those who have simply worked hard/practiced/learnt enough.
It's not as black and white as you're making it out to be. Moreover if you're complaining that there's always someone better than you you might as well kill yourself now because there is literally a 1 in 7 billion chance that you'll be the best in the world at something.
>>29571411
Maybe OP is best at being a big bitch. Another reason to postpone suicide and live the wild life of being a shut in NEET.
>>29571310
Being good at things doesn't slow down the ravages of time
