Do you consider transwomen "real" women?
>>29516489
not at all and never will because they aren't
>>29516489
no they don't have vaginas
and they should stop giving me the creep eyes
>>29516489
No. I don't hate them, either.
I just feel intensely sorry for the ones who have had surgery.
>>29516538
>that .gif
I can tell you voted "Remain."
>>29516489
Transwomen are real if you personally believe they are and they arent if you choose to believe pre-postmodern physical gender roles.
That is to say, if you think having a dick is the intrinsic physicality that makes you a male (irrespective of the mental or hormonal biological aspect) then yeah, trans women arent women.
If you're postmodern then you'd probably evaluate your own personal preference along with the other person's mental and hormonal state to make up your mind.
Not at all, even if I were to find them cute. Wouldn't date, wouldn't befriend, or have any form of communication unless it was for work.
>>29516489
I'd have my doubts about going out with one but yeah Trans women are Women, as Trans men are Men.
I think you're abusing "post-modern" but that all seems more-or-less reasonable.
i'm willing to believe trans people can legitimately be trans gender and that there are trans people out there who transition and that rights things that are wrong with their sex and gender mismatching.
but i think most trans people are caught up in some huge meme and a lot of them regret it and aren't "really" trans so much as depressed and lost like so many of us. and i don't get why they go through with transitioning at all in the first place.
so to answer your question in a y/n format, yes. but...
>>29516489
Once their chromosomes consider them "real" women and they can get by without their daily injection of hormones and grow an actual vagina instead of a butchered mutilated inverted cock in some freak science experiment, sure I'll consider them "real" women.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dXTLJut_jc
>>29516489
they posess a y chromosome and a penis/mutilated vaginadick, so no. I don't.
>>29516489
If you're a straight guy going out with a trans woman you really need to come out of the closet. atleast the boipucci faggots are upfront with their gayness.
>>29516654
Not even if it's a cute little feminine dick?
>>29516745
>feminine
>dick
pick one
>>29516489
When they're as qt as that pic I do
>>29516776
What's so hard to understand about a feminine dick?
i respect their right to call themselves women
i'll refer to them as women
but to me they'll always be women*
and yeah there's no getting rid of that asterisk
as far as i'm concerned
>>29516814
It's like saying a mammalian crustacean. A dick can't be feminine any more than 2 can equal 3. You're a faggot, get over it faggot. Go suck dick all you want but don't you ever compare yourself to a straight person or pretend you are normal.
no. saying "muh feelz" doesnt change anything.
>>29516489
I see no legitimate reason not to, since it would be a waste of time to let my rumbles be jumbled because someone with a dick tells me they're a female. I don't understand why anyone would see them as less of a woman (or less of a human) because of that. The same goes for transgender men.
>>29516856
You're the one shitposting on an Icelandic sheep-shearing forum calling other people abnormal, anon.
I'm happy to humour them publicly but I do not want to associate with them privately, nor do I consider them female.
>>29516851
pretty much my take, as well. don't think it's worth arguing about, don't really care, don't want to be a dick; but they aren't the same as women.
>>29516603
Just because you believe it to be true, does not make it so.
They are men.
Fuck no. I find them attractive, and I don't mind calling them their preferred pronoun, but they are men who WANT to be woman, end of story.
>>29516489
>don't even consider real women to be real women anymore
they are small men with breasts and a lot of accessories
how did I do this to my mind?
>>29517303
But anon, your own personal perception is your reality; delusion, illusion, logical, factual, etc. Whatever you choose to believe is true for you; irrespective of the thing being actually factually accurate.
So yes, they are men. But if you choose to believe that they arent, then they arent for you specifically.
People do that type of mental gymnastics all the time. For instance; my mother believes that when she dies she will be going to heaven yet she also had our two dogs and a cat put to sleep while my dad and I were out on a camping trip and essentially said she killed them because she was tired of them being around all of the time -> then decided to ignore that it ever happened.
So, you know; people do weird things.
i would bang this trap
>>29517972
Shut the fuck up cunt they're men they can try as hard as they want to pretend to be women but they'll always and forever be men
>>29517972
so something like you got to grow around an abusive violent mother, i'm not surprised.
If I like feminine penis and want one in my ass am I gay
>>29516489
Of course not.
Don't be such a fucking retard.
>>29518251
>>29518315
Im not personally into traps. I dont care about them one way or the other. I was just stating facts anons.
No, and I never will
OC COMMENT
>>29516489
I'm confused.
Is a "transwoman" a woman who pretends to be a guy?
Is a "transwoman" a man who pretend to be a woman?
>>29517972
I believe i'm a jeep therefore I am one.
Yes.
That being said they're not all attractive and some look hideous, but that isn't very different to ciswomen.
But I judge trans women the same way I judge any woman.
No.
They are freaks and i should stay away from them.
>>29518675
Ok.Sandy Hook never happened literally just ready the crazy shit listed on the libral wikipedia page omg its the most comical shit ever original comment
>>29516941
They are "less of a woman" because they are not women at all. They have Y chromosomes and are male. Behavior and appearance don't determine gender, anymore than behavior and apparance determine race. White people can't just claim to be black because they "feel" like it. Nobody can claim to have a different "racial identity" than their actual race.
Whether trannies are less than human is debatable.
>>29517972
There's a serious limit to how much beliefs determine reality.
And people should not confuse beliefs with reality.
Reality is that thing that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.
People can have beliefs that do not correspond to reality.
For example, a man can believe he is a woman.
But the more beliefs a person can shed, the closer to reality they get.
>>29518801
Sure, but assuming all things equal; if your delusion rarely interacts with or depends on reality being a certain way; then the belief or illusion or delusion or psychosis can continue for as long as reality doesnt impose itself.
Depending on what we're talking about, that may never happen.
Likewise, when two people are deciding to give into the same delusion, belief, etc; then it only strengthens the delusion.
>>29516489
the jaw gives it away every time
a masculine jaw is a fucking disgusting trait
That depends. Gender is defined by the chromosomes. But, your perception of things is not on the atomic level. You judge people based upon their looks.
We have two measures, then. Transsexuals (because traps just mean a crossdresser) are not women, because they lack the chromosome and they are women because, if very well done, is almost indistinguishable from a women unless given a closer inspection.
>>29518871
Yeah. Trannies can be like Wiley Coyote in a way.
A guy goes on living a delusion that he's a woman, never looks down, then is shocked when some actual woman beats her with her purse in the restroom.
>>29516489
No. the fact that they identify as trans women, and need to be called trans women, just proves they aren't actual women and never will be. I don't hate them, and the really convincing ones can be attractive and maybe even fuckable to people who typically identify as straight if they feel/smell like real women, but then again that goes to show they are just men trying to pass as women. Some do it better than others, but they will never be "real" women
>>29518922
"Looks like a lady" is not the fundamental requirement of being a woman. Gender is not based on looks.
And I would argue that maybe only 10% of MTF trannies actually "pass" (and actually look like a voluptuous woman), the rest of the time it's obvious as hell.
Of course I do. If they can give birth and breast-feed, I don't care what they were born as.
>>29518006
coming from a nice bread anon kudos
No. If they can identify as a woman, I can identify as a 6ft 4, 9" cock, jacked as fuck CEO. I should also be able to sue or post on my tumblr if they don't treat me like I am in my imagination.
In fact, I am actually closer to being what I described than any transfaggot will ever be to being a woman.
If this meme of "gender identification" continues, maybe a NEET can sue a corporation of his choice where he imagines himself working.
No you were born with a dick, you are not a woman.
>>29516489
Who gives a fuck. Gender and sexuality is a millennial meme
XY XY YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A GUY
NANANANANA
>>29518958
Did you misread something I wrote? It's clearly what I just said. And it's completely and utterly irrelevant to my point whether or no 10% or 0.1% of transsexuals pass.
I myself hate 99% of trannies, because either the good looking ones are doing porn or being a fucking tool for liberals. There's no need for trans acceptance if almost nobody can distinguish you from a real woman. Why can't they just live their life easy and quiet?
If people were actually prepared to be parents, this wouldn't even be an issue. I'm not even sure how transsexualism is caused, but if you parents loved you they would support you on your choices, and considering there is no such thing as mental illness - aka: we can't scan a brain and find a difference between someone mentally ill and someone mentally healthy; it would be up to then how would they deal with the condition.
>>29516560
Nope. I am merely showing everyone that man's authoritarianism.
i think of them as their own separate sex which i'm strongly attracted to
>>29516489
I am 100% down to fuck a trans woman and I still wouldn't consider them real women. I also would consider them male, maybe a 3rd gender type thing
>>29516603
Way to show everyone that you have not even the least understanding of post-structural gender theory, though.
>>29516489
No. If the ability to naturally give birth isn't an essential part of the definition of a real woman then I don't know what is.
Why do people act like XX/XY Chromosomes do anything besides decide which hormones your body produces?
Hormones are the things that actually affect your body, so if you are nuking your T and replacing it with E then you are biologically female. And if you think that having a penis or vagina makes you a man or a woman, what about women who have hysterectomies, or women who have to go on HRT after menopause? Are they not women because their body stops producing E?
What about soldiers who gets their junk blown off, are they suddenly not men?
>>29519327
So women become men after menopause?
Or women born infertile are not women?
Until they can rework the majority of their dozens of trillions of cells to have XX sex chromosomes, they're just delusional, disguised, and/or disfigured men.
>>29519421
In those cases there was still a potential for procreation, that is, there was nothing in their intrinsic biology that prevented them from being able to have kids.
There's a difference between something that potentially could have happened but didn't, and something that is impossible.
>>29519421
I'll grant to you though that I should have said "potential ability" instead of just "ability".
>>29519343
>if you are nuking your T and replacing it with E then you are biologically female.
No. Just no.
>>29519504
I may be mistaken, but I think not too long ago a XY (?) woman gave birth
>>29516489
Not in the slightest. They are men with male DNA. I prefer them to having male competition, though, so I don't hate on them.
>>29519539
>They are men with male DNA.
Can't they be women with male DNA?
>>29519547
not to me
Under my definition, gender=biological sex
>>29519557
>gender=biological sex
But don't you think things are a bit more complex than that?
Some people are born with fucked up gens like XYY, XXX, 777, etc, and other have things like Androgen insensitivity syndrome.
I think gender is one thing, a bit more complicated, related to a person develop and society and other is the sex, wich you are born with.
You can't go around saying that you are ''a biological woman'' if you were born with a benis.
if they want to be considered a woman why not i dont really care
>>29519594
>Some people are born with fucked up gens like XYY, XXX, 777, etc, and other have things like Androgen insensitivity syndrome.
Those disorders are extremely rare and don't apply to the vast majority of MtF transsexuals. If you never had the genetic potential to bear children, then I don't consider you female. If you do, then congrats.
If it quacks like a duck, etc.
>>29516489
>Do you consider transwomen "real" women?
No, they are not biological women.
Yes, in the sense that I avoid all potential interaction with them just like with real women.
>>29516489
No and some of them are better than real women. Let that sink in.
What I don't get is why so many of them are fine with having a penis. It comes off as more fetishistic than legitimately an issue with gender dysphoria.
>>29516489
if the look, act and sound like a real woman, and want to be treated like a real woman, I'll treat them like a real woman. meaning i'll probably not give a shit about them and passively ignore them either way.
if they look like a man and demand to be treated otherwise, i'll assume they're mentally ill and actively avoid them like the plague.
>>29519594
>like XYY, XXX, 777, etc
To be accurate, they need a third category, but for logistic ease in everyday life, they should just decide for themselves to be considered male or female, and I'll respect their categorization either way.
I won't respect proper humans' denial of their decisively male or female genes, though.
I honestly couldn't give a shit either way.
I've never knowingly met a transperson, and have no reason to believe that I will, so I don't feel it important to have an opinion at all.
>>29519719
I'm not all that bothered by my penis because I very rarely come into contact with it.
Like I won't use it for sex stuff.
If someone was to offer me free SRS, I'd take them up on the offer, but there is more important stuff for me to worry about before getting it done.
>>29519830
I can get that it isn't a priority for some then. I just knew a ftm who was against getting sexual reassignment surgery and she was kind of a huge attention whore and slut which gave me that negative impression. There are others who have a similar attitude too which doesn't help.
>>29516489
>>29516623
I'd like to sodomize this person
>>29519927
I can understand not getting SRS as an FTM.
MTF SRS is pretty average, but FTM SRS is a fucking joke.
We are talking a sock made of skin covering what is essentially a balloon. There was a picture floating about here of a FTM cock with hair growing on the knob (because it was arm skin).
>>29520040
>>29519927
Whoops I meant mtf in my last post. I understand the dilemma that ftm have with srs since the results are pretty abysmal as you stated.
>>29520170
Yeah nah.
I'll probably remain a virgin regardless.
>>29516623
fembot? nudes?
and yes i said fembot
No, they are men pretending to be women. They couldnt handle life as men so they figured that they would take the easy way. Being a woman, pretending to be a woman is life on easymode.
>>29519719
>What I don't get is why so many of them are fine with having a penis
I'm not fine with having a penis, but the alternative is... horrific.
Personally, I don't like the results. I prefer to wait and see how things improve.
Even if things don't get better, I need +20.000Eurodollars to get a GOOD surgeon so I can get an acceptable result.
>>29519740
Well look at you, accepting the third sex and all. Very tumblr of you, congrats.
>>29519830
>If someone was to offer me free SRS, I'd take them up on the offer,
Any offer? Or only if it's from a top surgeon.
>>29520331
>Any offer? Or only if it's from a top surgeon.
It would really depend.
I'm not big on the whole sex idea, so it would only really be to avoid tucking and AAs.
My main fear would be medical complications, not really anything else.
>>29516489
>Do you consider men "real" women
What is a woman really? What makes a woman a woman?
>>29522058
Being born with female sex organs
>>29522080
Aren't they women then if they operate?
>>29522218
What part of "being born with" didn't you understand?
>>29522080
That's female, anon, not a ''woman''
>>29516489
every transwoman I have met is really annoying, super insecure and obsessed with themselves
so yes, just like real women
>>29516745
this is a biological woman. there is no way a man could ever have those hands
Well
The words "men" and "women" were invented even before people could imagine that one day, such trenformations would exist
So, I don't know, according to the definition of "woman" they're not woman, but it doesn't bother me to consider they're women.
>board of myopic sexless autists
>'trans are not women'
>normies
>'sure why not who cares'
sums up your personal failures so succinctly.
>>29516489
It's gotten to the point where transwomen are more "women" than real women.
>>29516489
I treat them like women, but I don't consider them women
>>29516489
Who's this semen demon?
oc
>trans fags continue to mutilate themselves
> the surgery's gradually improve
>trans one day will have prettier pussies than roasties
>roasties start having surgery to compete with pretty pussy transfags
>the death of roast beef finally occurs
can't wait senpai
not fuckin a transfag tho
>>29516489
It's funny because they argue "gender is a social construct" but if that's true, then why do all civilizations have the same two?
>>29516489
No they are just mutilated guys. Just because you feel like a woman doesn't make you one.
>>29522817
This mean surgery to improve women's vagina can happen to and they will look better then the transfags.
>>29516489
No...what kind of closeted fag does?
>>29522822
actually you can observe a few exceptions from that rule.
>>29516489
They need to be gassed.
Along with the 6 million that claimed to be earlier.
Former tranny questioner/libtard brainwashee here - the only cure is /pol/ or gas.
>>29518742
>White people can't just claim to be black because they "feel" like it.
Considering the existence of traps (men who look like women) futanari (hentai involving women with penises (aka: dickgirls)) and the various chromosomal disorders there are (so determining gender by chromosomes chucks the gender binary out the window), among other things, I'd consider trans-women to be women, if only because the things I mentioned before ended up pushing gender into the "social construct" bin a long time ago.
>>29516489
No. 'Real' women are awful and transwomen have the option to be better than them instead of fully emulating their shitty behavior. Transwomen need to embrace their something different instead of so desperately trying to fit into the mold of an awful roastie.
>>29516489
>the thought bubble of a cock
seems about right
>>29516489
Yeah, why not? I don't really see why I should get to decide what gender other people are.
>>29516489
Yep, I do. I don't even know where anyone finds the energy to bash them, considering most are just trying to go about their lives in the way they seem fit. So I guess the definition of a "real woman" or a "real man" depends on who's being asked.Plus my close friend came out as a transgender man several years ago. He was always still the same friend to me but just outright referred to as a dude instead, which didn't bother me and seemed right to do anyway. Perhaps that just makes me biased.
>>29516489
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-determination_system
All you need to know is there.
>>29525276
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria
Also this, it's a classified and recognized by psychiatrists mental disorder.
>>29518664
>a "transwoman" a man who pretend to be a woman
This is the one.
They want to refer to themselves as "women", but they need to add the trans qualifier
>>29516856
you'll be immortalized by my shitty edit, god bless you motherfucker
I'm a reel womyn you guys, I swear
>>29526775
i fucking hate you,
i want to hatefuck you in your asshole while i tell you how much of a worthless degenerate you are, and how you are not and will never be a woman.
>>29526916
Lewd. This triggers my daddy issues. Why the hate though? Be specific
>>29527038
you prey on the attention of desperate robots
and they have no choice but to provide, for they have nothing much to hang onto in their lives
i really fucking hate people that take advantage of robots
>>29527094
It's just harmless teasing. I honestly care about my robots, I really do.
>>29527326
you are not a robot
get the fuck off this board, it belongs to us, you should never come back here for the rest of your life
The cons of being with a trans girl is that they don't have a real vagina and a lot of people, especially your friends, will think you are gay. They also have all the negative qualities of regular vagina girls. They're catty, emotional, and often annoying.
The positives are that they are usually dtf more often than vagina girls are and are more likely to have similar hobbies as you.
There is a huge difference between being who you are and who you want to be.
The first category are actual 1%er's, the second are attentionwhores like OP's pic who probably shill tumblr for attention they didn 't get IRL.
>>29527326
Teasing that never ends is just bullying desu
>>29527465
But but I used to be a shut in neet.. this is my home board :( I don't wanna leave.
>>29527735
Gentle bullying at best..
>>29516489
no
super original comment desu
>>29516489
Nope.
Origanal Oregano
>>29516489
No, would play along in public, but I do not consider them to be real or the equivalent of women at all.
>>29516489
Do you consider tofu real meat?
saged
>>29518478
Yes.
"Feminine penis" does not make them non-male.
If a gay guy was into you (a straight male) you would reject him and say "Sorry, nothing personal, I'm just a heterosexual."
You accepting "feminine penis" is the exact same as accepting the gay man's request to date you simply because he's dressed like a girl.
Are you into cross-dressing homosexuals? If so, you're gay and have a fetish for cross dressing.
>>29516489
define "real" women?
>If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
That being said, I wouldn't have sex with one. And also, there are some who just do it for attention or because of other causes, but for real transpeople with dysphoria and such, studies have shown that they have the brain structure of their identified gender
tl;dr sometimes
>>29527732
this
orangeanal cement
No
I know a few trannies irl and when someone corrects me I'm like "y'all for real"
It's a mental illness
Men will never be women. Trannies need a therapist and some meds or something
>>29531047
>
it is a mental illness, and the best cure we have fit it is transitioning, which has been shown to increase happiness in people suffering from the illness (gender dysphoria)
>>29531047
>Trannies need a therapist and meds
>Mfw
I hope you see the irony in this lol
>>29531313
I thought their suicide rates went up by like 30% or something after transitioning
>>29516489
if it makes me less gay then yes
>>29531735
Suicide goes up after sexual reassignment surgery and its way higher than 30%. Suicide goes down if they get on hormones instead of doing nothing.
>>29527937
Gentle bullying still hurts desu
Some robots are very sensitive
No. but I don't mind treating them as such
>>29516489
They are pretty men's. That I would probably fuck if drunk. (kindahomo)
>>29516489
No, they suffer from an unfortunate ailment. It is not a reason to treat them without respect, but mangling their bodies and minds does them no good. In fact, it does more harm. They need loving networks as anyone with a life changing ailment does.
>>29516489
If they still have a Y chromosome then no.
>>29532734
Assuming they've an affliction is indicative of ignorance. Are you an ignorant, bigoted, transphobic, homophobic, conservative, republican, right-wing extremist fucktard?!
>>29516489
No
Not at all.
if i sew on a dogs ears, mouth, dick, etc to my body, and walked on all fours, would i be a dog?
>>29516489
Fuck no. Wouldn't stop me from destroying that ass, though.
It's not gay as long as he doesn't stick anything in my butt or mouth.
>>29533125
Why did you mangle my chart
![200[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/Q44us9e.gif "200[1].gif")
>>29533215
>corrected your chart
>>29533253
You have no sense of logic.
Either the left column is gay and the right column is straight (sexuality on the basis of primary sexual characteristics such as penis and vagina), or the top if straight and the bottom is gay (heterosexuality on the basis of secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts, body hair, smell, hips, ass, muscles, shoulders etc) . You don't just make up exceptions to the rule, you have to structure it one way or the other.
>>29533323
oh don't be so ashamed.
you are bi, whatever?
>>29516489
no, but they want to play the part
no reason not to let them
