>Porn reflects reality
>Porn has changed the dynamics of sexuality, and perverted the public realm
Why do people deny these two things? They are true whether you like it or not.
Porn does not reflect reality. It just reflects the fantasies of straight men as acquired through an adolescence of porn use.
>>29472585
We have been graced with the most "based" /r9k/ tripfag to ever exist.
I know about your background, but yes, it does reflect reality. Not to mention the prevalence of amateur porn, and the overall increased sexualization of society.
>>29472585
It reflects reality in the sense that it reflects the real fantasies of men. Porn fantasies don't exist in a vacuum, they exist because men hate us.
>>29472626
You're a cunt. Why are so many women sluts and whores then? So many women are in porn because they are sluts and whores that want to be satisfied on camera for Chad so they can rub it in everyone's faces.
>>29472690
Literally smaller than 1% of women are actually in porn, and 99.5% of men masturbate to porn.
>>29472774
Those are false statistics you pulled out of your disease infested cunt.
>>29472690
Women are in porn because they see the attention porn-stars get from guys. It's a sad twisted version of the princess fantasy they incorporated in childhood and easier to attain than the Americas got talent stage. There are so many pornstars that come out against the porn industry after it has chewed them up and spit them out, and I always think to myself what they expected.
Women don't really have interest in pornography themselves like guys have since we were 13 and therefor are pretty naive how it ruins their reputation and character (some exceptions exist, but those are extremely confident and self-sufficient women) when they are 18 and ready for the slaughterhouse. The porn industry welcomes them with open arms and shiny lights and huge money.
>>29472622
>>29472626
Of course, fantasies don't exist in a vacuum. But to think women enjoy the sex acts shown in porn, even amateur porn, is a stretch. Scientifically, the most sensitive part of most women is the clitoris. The clitoris, which is ignored in 90% of porn (even amateur), is only addressed by a few rough prods with a dry finger or maybe a minute or two of licking around it at an awards angle to show the camera. 80% of women cants get off without clitoral stimulation, and porn rarely ever shows that. When it does, they do it incorrectly. It's like if porn showed blowjobs where there's no sucking and the girl only occasionally licks the base of the shaft and ignores the head.
That being said. Porn affects modern sexuality in the sense that it pressures people to perform or look a certain way. I can't even tell you how many women I personally know that either do not orgasm with penetration or have stayed with men who do not satisfy them. And it's because men are porn-addled by the age of 11, and women are expected to "perform" or look like a porn star (which is hilarious considering I've met just about every famous porn star and they are pretty unfortunate looking IRL).
I'm not saying there aren't women who enjoy rough sex or anal or anything. But when statistically most women have faked orgasms and men just copy what they see in porn, it's kind of no wonder why sex nowadays is pitiful.
Then you have an entire generation of men who have porn induced sexual performance issues because porn DOESNT reflect reality. Most women don't have bleached assholes or perfectly waxed pubic hair. Most women are not 18 year olds (spoiler: many "18 year olds" in porn aren't either), most women don't enjoy rough thrusting with minimal foreplay, and most women don't go for guys just because he has a big dick (another spoiler: women's search terms on the sites I worked for, when they did use porn, had no mention of "big dick" or "BBC" or "cuckold")
>>29472969
>Women are in porn because they see the attention porn-stars get from guys.
Stopped you right there.
Women go into porn for the fame+money. But 90% the money. Porn can pay well if you're consistently working. The fame just makes you more money.
Now, there are women who desire to look like porn stars because of how much attention men give them. But actually going into porn is an investment most women would not like.
>>29472982
This is outrageous. So your entire argument is that women are oppressed because men can't sexually satisfy them? Outrageous, and I highly doubt Chad Thundercock has any problem satisfying women. Women want alpha Chad Thundercocks to dominate them, and porn reflects this.
And what the fuck is pic related? I don't even know what the fuck that is supposed to mean.
>>29472982
I agree with you FB.
It is really sad. Porn isn't REAL but it reflects what "male sexuality" is right now. Not healthy male sexuality, sick male sexuality. Porn-addicted male sexuality...
Painal isn't natural or healthy for example, but men still REALLY want it and don't leave it behind a computer screen, they pressure their real gfs to do it because they saw it in porn.
I would hate to grow up a teenage girl in the current society.
>>29473064
I never said that women were oppressed, just generally not sexually satisfied by acts you see in porn.
You can say I'm lying all you want but women stay with "popular" guys because they're attractive, charismatic, and usually fun. As for sexually satisfying...well, I wouldn't say that much. Chad-like guys have their own problems where they think they're gods gift to women so they think a bunch of rough thrusting is enough to actually get a woman off. Women enjoy rough sex, but withour foreplay or any build up like in porn? Nahhhh.
And despite what you think, there are plenty of men who get laid who aren't "Chads". It's a false dichotomy to think that there only exist Chads and Beta males, when most men fit somewhere in between.
But screw me for seeing men as mostly individuals lol.
If we had decent relationship there would be no need for porn.
>But we don't
>>29473180
That is all wrong. I don't even understand what your argument is anymore. You just can't handle the fact that women are exposed for who they are now, and so you blame men for everything.
>>29473183
Men in decent relationships use porn all the time. Men crave variety and were raised on sexual acts that are unobtainable for the average guy in a relationship (DP, painal, orgies, barely legal, hentai, tentacles, lolicon, etc)
To say men are satisfied by one woman in a long term environment is ridiculous.
>>29472521
porn reflects aspects of reality, through a certain prism. 99% of the people who produce porn are not artists, and probably not very creative. they pull inspiration from whatever is popular and whatever situations they run into from their daily lives, filtered by whatever seems to be in demand from their audience.
for instance, mainstream culture is under seige from body positivity, and is slowly coming admitting more voluptuous and large women into the media. This means more guys are seeing larger women being presented as beautiful and sexy. They are also just seeing larger women in general. Whether because they enjoy "curvy" women, or want to punish the fatties, in their private fantasies, for being so damned fat, they demand porn of this new novelty. Boom, BBW sites flourish.
of course, it could be going in the opposite direction. There have been BBW sites for years before Ashley Graham got on the cover of the SI Swimsuit Issue. it could be that the SI editors were fapping to thick hotties for decades, waiting for the perfect moment to get one of those ladies in the Swimsuit Issue.
>>29473259
If women enjoyed what mainstream porn had to offer, women would get off to it, en masse,
You're just upset that your views of women aren't proven by science or statistics relevant to porn. Women get off to lesbian and M/M porn more frequently because women's sexuality in porn does not connect with them. But sure, keep telling me you're right just because you're oneitiis dated a jock in high school.
>>29473114
Yep. It's one of the reasons I quit working for the industry. Ignorance truly is bliss.
>>29473364
I never had a oneitis. You have offered me no statistics, FujoshiBot. This is outrageous. Of course I'm right. Everyone on the Internet thinks they're right, I'm not falling for the "don't be arrogant" meme. I know I'm right. Women have a CHOICE in all this, they don't have to go along with what men want. I also find it interesting you are doing your best to casually defend Chad, as if he is innocent in all this.
>>29472969
I am pretty sure that women get into porn because they like to fuck, and don't feel ashamed of doing it in front of an audience. Let alone getting paid to fuck in front of an audience.
read or listen to some interviews of female sex workers. none of them do it so boys will like them. In fact, quite a few of them probably do it because they don't give a shit what boys think about them. there are a lot of lesbian cam girls, porn actresses, escorts and strippers. also, erotic authors, comics creators, burlesque dancers, sex toy manufacturers... the list goes on
>>29473268
Do you think they can be? If they swear off porn use/never used it that much in the first place and usually just masturbate to their own sexual fantasies?
>>29472521
All the dick or sex jokes or cusses in America has a lot of porn influence
>>29473396
The girls in porn are mostly broken and have daddy issues this is a fact. So no they don't really have a choice they were fucked from the start
Would you say it's your choice to be a loser who sits in your room on 4chan all day? Not really. Maybe a little bit but your life was rigged from the start to propel you in that direction. Maybe we all have a little bit of free will but it's like physics, certain things go in a certain direction at a certain speed because they're forced that way.
Same goes for the girl doing IR gangbangs in porn. Yeah maybe she made the choice herself but her circumstances set it up for her.
There are plenty of women who are "pure" you just don't see them because they settle down with a guy they met in HS or college and live monogamous lifestyles, instead of being the odd town bicycle or porn star.
>>29473183
if people watched porn for the relationships, there would be more relationships in porn. People watch porn for orgasms and to indulge in esoteric or cruddy fantasies. Porn supplements the physical aspect of the sex life, not the emotional aspect.
>>29473416
>thinking interviews with porn actresses is accurate and not just the porn stars selling you an image so people don't feel guilty getting off to them
It's business. These women want and need money. I've never met a porn star who does it because "she likes to fuck".
>>29473437
I'm not sure, to be honest. I don't have all the answers unfortunately. But porn is so widely available to young boys that's it's virtually impossible to not allow them access to the Internet without stifling their growth in modern society.
>>29473396
>something like less than 25% of heterosexual women are sexually satisfied
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201007/how-boost-womans-chance-orgasm-during-intercourse
Just an example, but you literally just have to google "women fake orgasms statistics" or "how important is the clitoris". I don't defend "Chad" just because I say that there are men who aren't the stereotypical meathead jock bad boy that get laid.
>>29473268
uh... source on that pic? I NEVER fap to gay manga, but that is hot. I always wonder what women think of when they think of sexy men. You can find a million images of sexualized women, but never any sexualized men. That is, MEN, not twinks or traps or little boys
>>29472521
Porn is the product of a perverted, animalistic society, not the reverse.
>>29473526
https://youtu.be/43uTBB574g4
I admit that women do porn to get paid. although a billion Tumblrs would suggest that a lot of women do it only because it is fun and satisfying.
but, it takes three things to make something a viable career.
1 it has to make you money, otherwise it is not a career, it is a hobby.
2 it has to be safe enough that you can do it consistently. at least, you think it is safe enough that you can put up with whatever danger actually is involved.
3 YOU HAVE TO LIKE IT. obviously some people like their jobs more than others, but if you wanted to do something else more, and that other thing met the two previous conditions, you would be doing that.
>>29473526
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-working-in-the-porn-industry
her answer was a haiku:
Sexual freedom
Self-empowered yet hated
Brave but stigmatized
I am sure she likes the money, but note the first thing she listed was sex. honestly, I have never come across interviews or AMAs from sex workers who say they do porn because of the money. Strippers will say that, but cam girls and porn actresses? they all say that sex work is demanding and difficult. they could make the same money or better at almost any job, but they would rather fuck for their daily bread
>>29473709
A billion tumblrs also insist that "genderqueer" is a valid thing and that all men are potential rapists.
In my experience in the industry, the vast majority are in it for money and fame, which comes with more money. Most are addicts, have children, or are escaping other abusive situations. So many porn stars have their husbands/boyfriends as their "manager".
I've seen the industry close up and I know how it functions and how destructive the women in it are. But I also know men will rationalize everything they can to make themselves not feel guilty for jerking off to whatever they want to.
>>29472585
No, porn, like almost all other media, shapes expectations and fantasy.
>>29473825
>AMAs
Aww man, funny you bring this up! One of my duties was porn star outreach. I had to orchestrate an AMA with a famous porn star and reddit. She was in my office answering questions but I typed it up and submitted it. If you think these interviews and AMAs are carefully orchestrated for marketing purposes, you're sadly mistaken.
But thanks anon. Men like you made my job so much easier and made me quite a bit of money.
>>29473891
*arent
Sorry I'm on iPad.
>>29473494
>Would you say it's your choice to be a loser who sits in your room on 4chan all day? Not really
I don't do that though. Idiot.
>>29473526
You have casually defended Chad about 3, 4 times now. And yes, tripfag, your entire argument here is that porn is bad because men don't pleasure women enough. Chad Thundercock never has and never will have any issues in that department.
>>29473831
I suppose we should settle on some terminology. It seems that you are talking specifically about the L.A./Miami porn film industry. I am talking about Sex Work, at large. I totally agree that strippers and other public performers do it for money, more so than sex. It just seems that where there are orgasms or creative expression to be had, women do it for those things, rather than just the money.
I am sure that the majority of porn actresses do it for money, but a large majority of porn actresses don't last more than 18 months. that tells me that money and fame are terrible reasons to get into porn.
maybe we need to further distinguish between women who "get into" porn, and women who stay in porn? I have no experience in the industry, so that might color my observations
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>>29473980
The cam girls you see on tumblr are all histrionic cunts who live in their parents basement and make peanuts, basically nothing, enough to buy cheap weeb costumes online and some drugs. They do porn because they're histrionic cunts who like attention and are narcissistic. Most of them live like trailer trash and get off on the e-fame and the attention daddy never gave him. Those women are mentally ill, even moreso than your average porn star. They LOVE sex and do porn for sex because it gives them the attention daddy never gave them and makes them feel like feminist grrrl power special snowflakes
They're not people you should count as anyone worthy of having a solid opinion.
Porn is not a feminist utopia where women make choices that are free willed. It's the lowest of the low girls putting on a performance to sait their desire for money and fame or their mental illness.
And no porn star is going to tell you she does it for money or because she's mentally ill. That will turn men off, so they have to keep the illusion that they're sexually free sex goddesses. Don't be gullible or stupid. Doing porn ostracizes you from EVERYONE regardless of whether you want it or not, no one would do that because they love sex or are a "whore" -- they do it because they're crazy or need the money
T. Someone who spent a hot minute around camgirls.
>>29473919
i miss the old /r9k/ when fucks like you were too busy shitposting on myspace to bother with us.
pepe ruined this board
>>29474446
FB has been here since the beginning of r9k. She used to be even more active and I miss her
>>29474500
yeah sure
i bet you believe anything any female tells you
>>29472521
Man, thanks for your insight. I'm trying to kick the porn habit as it does me a lot of good mentally and even physically.
Its important to note that porn is being pushed on us from the top down. (((Certain Individuals))) are responsible for the current porn entertainment industry.
Just listen to a part of this interview.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSBFxanDAw
